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[19:13:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Does it need to work? - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:00] <exec> 08└─It sounds like it's the kind of thing where you could catch a few students using conventional means and then tell everyone that it was because of the magical drones, then just fly a few cheap drones over the exam and deter people from even trying to cheat the next year.
[19:13:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Does it need to work? - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:01] <exec> 08└─Thats all fine and dandy until one of these things malfunctions and bonks some student in the zipperhead.
[19:13:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Does it need to work? - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:03] <exec> 08└─I'd say you're counting on a lot of stupidity from students and the cheaters among them. If they cant spot a cheap unmodified drone they could buy off alibaba for $50 for what it is, they're probably not smart enough to cheat. Fixed camera CCTV systems (with or without PTZ) and radio signal scanning...
[19:13:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02ouch - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:04] <exec> 08└─Wow, I can see why these people love their countries so much. It's so obvious how much they are respected.
[19:13:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Just admit it's AGW - 06England Night Sky Lit Up By Rare Noctilucent Cloud - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:12] <exec> 08└─This disruption was caused by humans and industry and can only be stopped by mandatory Atheist veganism. -- Gewg_
[19:13:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Just admit it's AGW - 06England Night Sky Lit Up By Rare Noctilucent Cloud - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:14] <exec> 08└─The real gewg_ doesn't sign his posts with an uppercase 'G'!
[19:13:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just admit it's AGW - 06England Night Sky Lit Up By Rare Noctilucent Cloud - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:15] <exec> 08└─And he never makes mistakes either!
[19:13:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:2) 02fascinating - 06England Night Sky Lit Up By Rare Noctilucent Cloud - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:17] <exec> 08└─Simply fascinating. Why aren't there any cool atmospheric phenomena over here in flyover country?! I'm jelly.
[19:13:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:fascinating - 06England Night Sky Lit Up By Rare Noctilucent Cloud - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:18] <exec> 08└─That is because the clouds just fly over. Sheesh... Anyhow, we just call that sunset here. I am not at a much higher latitude than much of the UK.
[19:13:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Hot Flash - 06England Night Sky Lit Up By Rare Noctilucent Cloud - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:20] <exec> 08└─> small ice crystals that form in the mesopause - Don't those get melted during a hot flash?
[19:13:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02In a Free Society... - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:25] <exec> 08└─In a free society the job of the police is to make the lives of the citizens easier. In an authoritarian society the job of the citizens is to make the lives of the police easier.
[19:13:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Yeah sure … - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:27] <exec> 08└─Because the terrorists would rely on broken encryption from the U.S. instead of non-broken encryption they get from elsewhere. Especially if the U.S. openly tell everyone that their encryption is broken.
[19:13:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Yeah sure … - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 544 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:29] <exec> 08└─FBINSA is just trying to buy time until they have quantum decryption. If the majority of Silicon Valley Web giants hold off on end-to-end encryption due to public pressure or a legal requirement, then more targets (a term that includes terrorists, or anybody else) will end up using compromisable pla...
[19:13:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Yeah sure … - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:30] <exec> 08└─There are possibilities for quantum resistant encryption, that do not require quantum devices.
[19:13:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 748 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:32] <exec> 08└─Enough with the submissions that link to The Register. Within just the past 12 hours we've had these submissions that all link to The Register: FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV Austral...
[19:13:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:33] <exec> 08└─Here's what I'm going to do in response to your plea: 1. Continue submitting stories with links to The Register. 2. Repeat. I won't bother refuting what you have to say about The Register, because that's a waste of my time.
[19:13:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 541 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:35] <exec> 08└─Do what's worst for this site if you really must. SoylentNews is already seen as a site of crackpots and wackos, even by those at Slashdot and Hacker News. Constantly linking to shitty sources like The Register surely doesn't help. Not only do shitty submissions marginalize this site, but they also...
[19:13:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:0, Flamebait) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:36] <exec> 08└─Heh. Your trolling doesn't help the site, The Register isn't a shitty source, and my submissions are polished turds at worst. What's best for the site is for you to leave it - forever.
[19:13:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:38] <exec> 08└─SoylentNews is already seen as a site of crackpots and wackos, even by those at Slashdot and Hacker News.
[19:13:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:40] <exec> 08└─> Do what's worst for this site if you really must. Like posting obnoxious self-indulgent whines? Yeah, you are really helping. I don't see any submissiosn from you. > Serious topics become jokes in the minds of the general public when people perceived to be cranks or weirdos keep on focusing on the...
[19:13:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:41] <exec> 08└─Post your own stories that are based on material from elsewhere. Others can submit what they wish to read.
[19:13:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:43] <exec> 08└─Take your pick: http://www.theguardian.com [theguardian.com] http://www.washingtonpost.com [washingtonpost.com] https://www.techdirt.c...
[19:13:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:45] <exec> 08└─Except for the Reddit link, all of these are more reputable than The Reg.
[19:13:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:46] <exec> 08└─All the stories are correct. Having a big name doesn't necessarily mean any better content.
[19:13:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Is this the same FBI? - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 736 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:48] <exec> 08└─There was some alphabet soup agency which was GIVEN A WARNING by Russian, that the Brothers Tsaernov were dangerous. That soup-brained agency investigated the Tsaernovs, and pronounced them harmless. Now, WTF are idiots like this going to do with encryption back doors? Maybe they should concentrate...
[19:13:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:Is this the same FBI? - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 546 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:49] <exec> 08└─Perhaps they are really not concerned all that much with terrorists? Attacks are rare enough that they don't have to concentrate on the subject, and as you mention when they do get warnings they are often ignored or given a cursory look then disregarded. If one was really cynical one might think the...
[19:13:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03RobotMonster [130] (Score:2) 02One Time Pad - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 664 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:51] <exec> 08└─One Time Pad. If you can share a pad and keep it secure, you're golden -- undecryptable. It's a pretty old technology, and not that complicated. Sure it's not as convenient as modern crypto, but it *is* unbreakable. Borking standard encryption only weakens security for the average person. This is on...
[19:13:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Ahh come on already Guberment.... - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:53] <exec> 08└─...ban encryption outright, and give U.S. citizens a reason to put that "right to bear arms" to good use. Cos' shit is gonna get whack (or at least, it should, but probably won't).
[19:13:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02And on a similar note... - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:54] <exec> 08└─If the billions (trillions?) of dollars that went into developing and buying weapons (and lining the pockets of warmongering despicable greedy mofo's) had gone into research into alternative fuel sources instead then the U.S. could have kept its nose out of the damned middle-east and not gotten itse...
[19:13:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02not lights? it's dark. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 872 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:13:56] <exec> 08└─it is strange way of arguing. if there had been no snowden we would all still assume that everything we do is "invisible". now we find out that the De-facto industry standard isn't "invisibility" at all! people toke notice, company feel the pressure and the FBI .. complains. i assume this article wo...
[19:13:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:not lights? it's dark. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 1307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:57] <exec> 08└─"if there had been no snowden we would all still assume that everything we do is "invisible"." Who is this "we" you refer to? SOME OF US have been painfully aware of NSA programs such as Carnivore for many years. Snowden didn't break the news about NSA surveillance - he simply confirmed the news, wi...
[19:13:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03PocketSizeSUn [5340] (Score:1) 02Re:not lights? it's dark. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 1180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:59] <exec> 08└─This article dates back to at least late 1998 http://mediafilter.org [mediafilter.org] Although much of the information was know and/or surmised by other sources before then. Information about ECHELON was publicly disclosed in 1996, according to Wikipedia. This does correspond to som...
[19:14:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03istartedi [123] (Score:2) 02"Logic" - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 768 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:01] <exec> 08└─1. Encryption is a munition. 2. FBI wants to eliminate it. 3. Therefore, the FBI wants to ban all munitions. Of course this isn't really logic. The idea that encryption is a munition--an idea put forth by the US government--was silly in the first place. Furthermore, it's much harder, dare I say impo...
[19:14:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02reboot the system - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:02] <exec> 08└─Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero knowledge, reputations, information markets, black markets, collapse of governments. -- Tim May
[19:14:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02Pay Me not to Troll ya - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 2851 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:04] <exec> 08└─Damn it feels good to be a gangsta A real gangsta-ass nigga plays his cards right A real gangsta-ass nigga never runs his fuckin mouth 'cause real gangsta-ass niggas don't start fights And niggas always gotta high cap Showin' all his boys how he shot em But real gangsta-ass niggas don't flex nuts 'c...
[19:14:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02America - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:06] <exec> 08└─The land of the fee.
[19:14:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:America - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:07] <exec> 08└─You don't want to pay fees?? What are you, some kind of communist?!
[19:14:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:3, Touché) 02While we're at it - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:09] <exec> 08└─I hereby agree to obey the law for an unspecified but non-zero amount of time just as soon as the police bring me $100,000 in cash.
[19:14:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Joke country - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:10] <exec> 08└─What kind of messed up country is it where 'I'll agree to follow the laws' is a negotiating position?
[19:14:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Joke country - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 299 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:12] <exec> 08└─FTFS (emphasis by me): AT&T is part of an industry coalition suing to roll back the net neutrality rules. But if regulators approve the deal with an AT&T commitment to net neutrality, the company would be bound by the rules for the duration of the agreement no matter what happens to the court case.
[19:14:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Joke country - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 243 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:14] <exec> 08└─If AT&T can be pressured into following those rules then the same company would likely push other corporations to do the same to avoid being at a competitive disadvantage. Well that is if they don't do a Comcast and just ignores rules at will.
[19:14:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Joke country - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:15] <exec> 08└─It's a country that is ruled by corporations. Thus they are really just negotiating if their practices will upset the business model of any other big enough corporation.
[19:14:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Nice network, no bad things to happen? ;-) - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:17] <exec> 08└─Nice network you got there provided you follow the net neutrality rules..... muhuahauahaMUAHHAHAH.
[19:14:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03hash14 [1102] (Score:4, Informative) 02Probably not - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 1069 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:19] <exec> 08└─Using the Comcast-NBC merger as an example, there were plenty of rules that Comcast agreed to follow and subsequently ignored. Apparently, during the attempted Comcast-TWC merger, so many revelations came out during the review process that it became apparent that Comcast wasn't following the rules t...
[19:14:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Too big to fail? - 06AT&T Will Respect Some Net Neutrality Rules... If it Gets DirecTV - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:20] <exec> 08└─Split the fucker up today!
[19:14:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Funny) 02$500 - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:23] <exec> 08└─I spent it on pizza and beer. My bad.
[19:14:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:$500 - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:24] <exec> 08└─I think the moderator of that post didn't read the summary very carefully. The parent was obviously joking on the following sentence of the summary (emphasis by me): No financial figures are provided that would allow one to figure out how much of that $500 was actually spent on relief, and where the...
[19:14:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:$500 - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:26] <exec> 08└─Sorry for the self-reply; it only occurred to me after submitting that I should probably mention that at the time of posting, the OP is moderated "-1 Offtopic".
[19:14:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02But we printed a Brochure. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 368 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:27] <exec> 08└─Perception is reality, and we have good publicity. The brochure proves it. If locals are unaware of our accomplishments, well they're just willfully ignorant. Who are you going to believe, no-income nobodies or a multi-billion-dollar charity. We're the Good Guys because we say so, and we have money....
[19:14:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:But we printed a Brochure. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:29] <exec> 08└─Meanwhile, this story was refuted before it made SN. But, yeah, go ahead and let the uninformed hate-fest contiune. It is, after all, a Saturday night.
[19:14:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:But we printed a Brochure. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:30] <exec> 08└─Refuted. That's what the Red Cross billionaires want you to think.
[19:14:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:But we printed a Brochure. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:32] <exec> 08└─Really? I note that you don't post any links to documents refuting the points made in TFA (which does include its sources, including internal Red Cross emails and memos).
[19:14:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:But we printed a Brochure. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 1021 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:34] <exec> 08└─Red Cross has played damage control [cnn.com], as any multibillion dollar empire would. The allegations stand. The Red Cross also declined repeatedly to disclose details on how exactly money was spent in Haiti and instead provided only broad categories of expenditures, despite a pledge by CEO Gail M...
[19:14:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Sad day - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:35] <exec> 08└─We can not trust our politicians, we cannot trust our charities, we cannot trust our government, we cannot trust our police. This isn't how things were ever supposed to be. Perhaps it's time we built something we CAN trust, and stop using people, because they keep failing us.
[19:14:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Stop using People - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:37] <exec> 08└─Human corruption is the problem. We need to get rid of them. There will be no more resource shortages with no mouths to feed and no chance of theft with no hands left alive. Total Genocide is the solution.
[19:14:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Stop using People - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 789 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:38] <exec> 08└─You'd be surprised, but I agree. Our biology is problematic. Another solution is not to alter the environment, but ourselves. Going to mars might be easier not with a giant habitation dome, but if we are enhanced to survive the conditions bare. Creating housing for people might not be a problem if p...
[19:14:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Stop using People - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:40] <exec> 08└─Actually we don't strictly need houses (at least in most of the world); it's just damn more convenient to live in a house.
[19:14:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:Stop using People - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 738 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:41] <exec> 08└─I agree in principle, however there are severe limits on what can reasonably done in terms of adapting humans to alien environments. >Going to mars might be easier not with a giant habitation dome, but if we are enhanced to survive the conditions bare Good luck engineering humans to be fully photosy...
[19:14:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Stop using People - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:43] <exec> 08└─Human corruption is the problem. We need to get rid of them. There will be no more resource shortages with no mouths to feed and no chance of theft with no hands left alive. Total Genocide is the solution.
[19:14:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Sad day - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 461 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:45] <exec> 08└─I like to look into the various charities before I give them anything. It is amazing how many have absurd amounts for "overhead" and a small percentage goes to the actual work they claim to be doing. They have CEOs that are making absurd amounts of money (for an NPO) and a very low percentage of fun...
[19:14:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Sad day - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 809 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:46] <exec> 08└─They give the American Red Cross a good rating and claim that their overheads are only 10%. I suspect that this may be accurate for general donations, but that the Red Cross simply didn't know how to deal with a big response to an emergency donations plea. They'd probably have done a fairly good job...
[19:14:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sad day - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:48] <exec> 08└─CharityWatch.org is a great resource, but it's not the final word. You've got to do your own research and also pay attention to the press, for stories like this. Unless the ARC puts together a decent rebuttal, which I doubt. I guess I'll shift my annual RC contribution to other charities.
[19:14:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:Sad day - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:49] <exec> 08└─I am actually surprised the overhead is that low with as many chapters at the ARC has.
[19:14:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02solution - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 1266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:51] <exec> 08└─Perhaps we should build something we can trust. I propose a machine that 3d prints many of the parts needed for drones, and that an army of the machines be setup. This first batch will be doomed to failure, acceptable. They will be destroyed and rebuilt towards purpose, they will be destroyed until...
[19:14:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Could be worse - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:14:52] <exec> 08└─There are many charities that never actually give a damned thing to anyone, outside of the clique that runs the charity. Collect x millions per year, pay the CEO about .3x and decreasing amounts to the remaining officers. Any leftover money is used for publicity campaigns and fund raising. The Red C...
[19:14:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:54] <exec> 08└─The purpose of charity is not to give money to poor people. Charity exists for the sole purpose of helping rich people claim tax deductions. Charities need to spend money on advertising because they are competing with other charities for donations from rich people who want tax deductions. Poor peopl...
[19:14:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:56] <exec> 08└─You're being too cynical. It's also there to help people who have become rich by exploiting others to sleep at night.
[19:14:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:57] <exec> 08└─Instead they should be paying doctors to prescribe sleeping pills and paying therapists to teach them how to become sociopaths.
[19:14:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:14:59] <exec> 08└─I wish I could mod you insightful but the dropdown list is full of blanks.
[19:15:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:01] <exec> 08└─Good thing you can't, because it's trite and at odds with basic arithmetic as both isostatic and maxwell demon spelled out.
[19:15:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:02] <exec> 08└─I don't get this argument. If I give $1m to charity, I'm without it. If I keep it I pay 40% tax or whatever but still keep most of it.
[19:15:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 574 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:05] <exec> 08└─That's because you're looking at it backwards. What if you have to pay $1 million dollars in taxes because you made so much money. You can pay $1 million to the government and get nothing but the knowledge that you did your civic duty, or you can pay $1 million (or whatever the maximum deductible am...
[19:15:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 387 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:06] <exec> 08└─You are not subtracting the amount from the taxes, you are subtracting it from the taxable income. So if your tax is 40%, and you spend $1 million to a charity, your taxable income decreases by that $1 million, and therefore your tax decreases by 40% of those $1 million, or $400,000. In other words,...
[19:15:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:08] <exec> 08└─That's assuming that you're giving money. If you're donating other forms of asset then you deduct at the full valuation of the asset, even if you couldn't possibly liquidate it for that value.
[19:15:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:09] <exec> 08└─Now this is where it makes sense, but if you can't liquidate at that level it's not clearly not worth that, so surely that would be fraud
[19:15:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:11] <exec> 08└─Now this is where it makes sense, but if you can't liquidate at that level it's not clearly not worth that, so surely that would be fraud
[19:15:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03TLA [5128] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 956 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:12] <exec> 08└─life gets interesting if you donate your tax bill to a charity that YOU OWN. Even more so if you don't declare it. THIS is how philanthropic tax dodges work. Ask Bill Gates. He pays his tax contribution to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, THEN claims a salary off it. He's double dipping right th...
[19:15:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:14] <exec> 08└─You're not supposed to get it. These loopholes are only to be exploited by billionaires, if a poor plebe like you could understand it then the government might rush to start closing loopholes that let billionaires pay less in taxes than you do.
[19:15:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You don't understand charity. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:16] <exec> 08└─You don't get more money back from tax deductions than you put into it. This theory is bogus.
[19:15:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dr Spin [5239] (Score:1) 02Re:Could be worse - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:18] <exec> 08└─When can we have an investigation into whether Sepp Blatter is running the American Red Cross?
[19:15:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03acp_sn [5254] (Score:1) 02all large oranizations are fundamentally corrupt - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 1134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:15:19] <exec> 08└─government, corporation, religion, charity/philanthropy, tribe, nation, extended family group The true purpose of all large organizations is to enrich/empower the "leadership". Of course the leadership will vehemently and emotionally deny this. They are always universally on message about how everyo...
[19:15:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:all large oranizations are fundamentally corrup - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 680 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:21] <exec> 08└─My church has built 50 or so buildings in Haiti. They do it on a shoestring budget (about 100k a year) and volunteers that go there and build them buildings themselves. They then teach the locals how to build houses to a decent set of safety codes. The locals immediately turned them into school room...
[19:15:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Techwolf [87] (Score:2) 02Some info. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:15:22] <exec> 08└─From some one I know, he posted a short blurb about the Redcross at http://www.unclekage.com [unclekage.com] This is why I at least try to get the word around to not donate to the redcross. The redcross was on the verge of bankruptcy, then the "terriests" came along on 911 and saved the org...
[19:15:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Join the Army! - 06Researchers Create Bioartificial Replacement Limbs Suitable for Transplantation - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:15:24] <exec> 08└─If ya get yer limbs shot off, we'll grow 'em back for ya, bro! Now you have no excuse not to kill for Obama! Kill! Kill! Kill the sandniggers! Shove bombs up their ISIS! Death to Islam! All Hail the One True God, OBAMA!!
[19:15:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02prepare the new arms! - 06Researchers Create Bioartificial Replacement Limbs Suitable for Transplantation - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:15:26] <exec> 08└─The research team also successfully decellularized baboon forearms to confirm the feasibility of using this approach on the scale that would be required for human patients.
[19:15:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Prepare the new legs! - 06Researchers Create Bioartificial Replacement Limbs Suitable for Transplantation - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:27] <exec> 08└─Olympic running is about to see lots of cheating! Last century, a fast-running ape-man made Hitler's master-race look bad. This century, regular non-augmented humans won't stand a fucking chance.
[19:15:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:prepare the new arms! - 06Researchers Create Bioartificial Replacement Limbs Suitable for Transplantation - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:29] <exec> 08└─Slow clap with my new ape hands...
[19:15:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:prepare the new arms! - 06Researchers Create Bioartificial Replacement Limbs Suitable for Transplantation - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:30] <exec> 08└─This will lead to a new arms race.
[19:15:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Forbid reverse-engineering? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:15:32] <exec> 08└─Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't licences grant you a right-to-use, and provisos such as "you cannot do such-and-such" only apply to right to such usage? What's to stop someone reverse-engineering but never "using" the software in question? Or reverse-engineering at all? Of course, if one does rev...
[19:15:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Forbid reverse-engineering? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 986 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:34] <exec> 08└─I'm thinking along the same lines. "These firmware files are explicitly closed-source licensed and forbid any reverse-engineering." Why does anyone give a damn about the vendors forbidding anything? Alright, I can understand that a corporation might legitimately be forbidden from exploiting another...
[19:15:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Forbid reverse-engineering? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 709 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:35] <exec> 08└─There is an interesting passage in the intel license terms on this cpu: Limited patent license. Intel Corporation grants a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license under patents it now or hereafter owns or controls to make, have made, use, import, offer to sell and sell ("Utilize") this soft...
[19:15:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:2) 02Re:Forbid reverse-engineering? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:37] <exec> 08└─Presumably the closed-source software writers have to negotiate for whatever license they need.
[19:15:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Forbid reverse-engineering? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:38] <exec> 08└─This is known as the Chinese wall approach and was used to reverse engineer the Intel BIOS by Compaq: https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[19:15:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:15:40] <exec> 08└─Just use Wayland. It will solve this problem.
[19:15:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 662 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:41] <exec> 08└─Alright - I've got a box. I want to use Wayland, and just dump X. Or, more accurately, I want to install a fresh Linux on it, using Wayland, without ever installing X. Do you have a how-to? I imagine that I'll download a minimal install ISO, which will give me a command line, and all the tools neces...
[19:15:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:43] <exec> 08└─How about you go to a convention of Linux install geeks and borrow their Wifi while you're there?
[19:15:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:45] <exec> 08└─The concept - and often the reality - of "setting up or using Linux requires technical abilities well beyond that of a normal consumer" is the primary reason Linux is an afterthought in the desktop market. Attitudes like yours are one of reasons it will always be that way. BTW, if Linux on the deskt...
[19:15:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 350 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:46] <exec> 08└─Typical naive and juvenile nonsense, aiming to put Linux down. My problem, my question, in no way addresses the difficulty of setting up a Linux box. I do that all the time. My question specifically addresses implementing a clean installation of Wayland, with no X session available. It's pretty obvi...
[19:15:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:48] <exec> 08└─LOL - I'm interested in the WAYLAND install geeks convention. Linux is a piece of cake, if you accept default applications. Getting X installed is almost as easy as falling off a log!
[19:15:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:49] <exec> 08└─Completely offtopic and misleading.
[19:15:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:51] <exec> 08└─Not sure why this was moderated Disagree. Wayland is probably not very on-topic, but it definitely is misleading. X.org and Wayland both sit on top of the DRI drivers, and these drivers need the blob firmware to work.
[19:15:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:52] <exec> 08└─The Troll and Spam mods were always abused and misused. Now that there's also Disagree, it too is bound to be misused all the time, too.
[19:15:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Which cpu was that you mentioned Intel? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:15:54] <exec> 08└─Linux is a big enough part of Intel's market for some classes of machines that they may notice a chill in the air if nobody came to their party. I don't know if this processor is aimed at the server market though. It sort of seems like a graphics workload is more what it is aimed at. You would think...
[19:15:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Which cpu was that you mentioned Intel? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:56] <exec> 08└─Intel has *already* done this. GMA 500/PowerVR chipsets which caused Linux no end of issues. A lot of netbooks shipped with that GPU and ran Linux poor, and the Windows GPU driver was of questionable quality as well.
[19:15:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fledermaus [1913] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Which cpu was that you mentioned Intel? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:57] <exec> 08└─I got bitten by one of those. Out of habit, I trusted Intel's name for not having any issues with linux. A mistake I'm not making again :P
[19:15:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Try having a family member - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 880 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:59] <exec> 08└─who worked for Intel. It's even more nightmarish when they have the AMD is teh suckz mentality. The whole computer industry went to shit when Intel was able to stop licensing their socket/FSB tech. It's too bad AMD didn't make a push to get all of the non-Intel processor developers to standardize on...
[19:16:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Which cpu was that you mentioned Intel? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:16:00] <exec> 08└─What brand and model will it be next the time?
[19:16:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Idiocracy? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 891 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:02] <exec> 08└─There's something even worse going on, than Intel requiring binary blobs. You see its fingerprints everywhere: - People know their personal information is being bought and sold everywhere, but they don't care - People know the entire world is teetering on economic collapse, but they don't care - Peo...
[19:16:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Idiocracy? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:16:04] <exec> 08└─There's a difference between not caring and not realistically being able to do anything about it.
[19:16:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Idiocracy? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 501 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:16:05] <exec> 08└─Exactly. There's a thousand things that annoy me about the behavior of lemmings etc. but about the only power I have is to opt out. Go ahead and have your stupid facebook, not for me thank you. But then other people start posting pictures that include me in them, and I'm in FB like it or not. Now yo...
[19:16:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How many people use IE 6 here? - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:07] <exec> 08└─Don't your web server logs indicate how many requests come from IE 6?
[19:16:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:How many people use IE 6 here? - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 299 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:08] <exec> 08└─As part of our policy on retaining as little information as possible on our users, the short answer is we don't record it in the access logs. We just record IP address, the URL accessed, return code, and bytes sent. We ran piWik for awhile to get some real stats, but disabled it after a few months.
[19:16:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:How many people use IE 6 here? - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:10] <exec> 08└─Peewick! PEEWICK! PEEEEEEEEWICK! PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWICK! PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWICK!
[19:16:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03cmn32480 [443] (Score:2) 02Re:How many people use IE 6 here? - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:11] <exec> 08└─Perhaps, given the Rehash update, we ought to run piWik again to see what the traffic looks like using the last run as a baseline. And frankly, if people are still running IE6, they deserve to be cut off.
[19:16:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:How many people use IE 6 here? - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:13] <exec> 08└─A second note is CloudFlare disabled SSLv3 awhile ago, which in turn would render large parts of the internet inaccessible to IE6.
[19:16:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:How many people use IE 6 here? - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:15] <exec> 08└─A third note is that, if you allow IE6 to downgrade, this makes it easy for an attacker to substitute an IE6 header into unencrypted requests and trigger downgrades.
[19:16:15] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Don't whitelist IE6 - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 310 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:17] <exec> 08└─It doesn't matter if we really do have visitors on IE6. Don't rescind security measures for them. Those still using IE6 have much bigger concerns than having issues visiting SN. Get the hell off the Internet or use something that is at least sanely safe. It is probably rude to say but it's for their...
[19:16:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Soupbowl [5450] (Score:1) 02Re:Don't whitelist IE6 - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:18] <exec> 08└─Yeah I agree.
[19:16:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Techwolf [87] (Score:2) 02site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 448 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:20] <exec> 08└─What about all the OK The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, admin@soylentnews.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error....
[19:16:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:22] <exec> 08└─Yeah that is kind of annoying, and I doubt any reports by us would ever be able to be tied back to the logged event. These things are always useless.. If I simply hit back button and resubmit, it invariably goes through.
[19:16:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:24] <exec> 08└─Have you gotten any within the last hour? The issue is intermediate and isn't leaving much of an error log to work from. I'm trying to remove noise from the logs to better isolate the error.
[19:16:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:25] <exec> 08└─I got two trying to load comments on another article, and one trying to reply to your comment. It's not as many as I was seeing but there's still errors there.
[19:16:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:27] <exec> 08└─I was able to catch at least one 500 in the error_log file (posted elsewhere in this thread). I'm slightly at a loss whats causing it, but will continue to debug.
[19:16:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03goodie [1877] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:29] <exec> 08└─Just got one trying to load this thread's comments. hit back and click again, worked.
[19:16:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03PReDiToR [3834] (Score:1) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:30] <exec> 08└─Some things just defy all attempts to be understood. It's indistinguishable from magic [catb.org].
[19:16:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Techwolf [87] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 336 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:32] <exec> 08└─This error cause the screw on a couple posts earlier today. I did a quick post about f-droid. Then had time later to look up the website name, did a reply to that with the name of the site, hit post and got the error, hit the back button and tired again. It went through. HOWEVER, I found myself logg...
[19:16:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:34] <exec> 08└─Yeah, I've been having the same sort of issues. This patch fixes everything I could find, but the error log was spamming a lot of warnings and it was hard to isolate what was noise and what wasn't so I took a blowtorch and removed as much as I could. I'll get another changeset together to remove mor...
[19:16:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:36] <exec> 08└─It didn't happen before. So something changed to introduce it, and this happened recently.
[19:16:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:37] <exec> 08└─Site upgrade to rehash is what broke it. These are issues that didn't show up in the development environment before deployment.
[19:16:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:39] <exec> 08└─What the fuck is rehash? If the site worked without rehash, but doesn't work with rehash, and whatever rehash is it doesn't offer any obvious benefit, then rehash should be removed.
[19:16:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02rehash - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:41] <exec> 08└─Maybe you missed this Upgrade Plans: Slashcode 15.03/Rehash 15.04 [soylentnews.org] which was published to the site on March 13th. In part, it stated: Introducing Rehash One of the long-standing complaints is that we should finalize our break with The Other Site, by renaming slashcode. In what has...
[19:16:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:rehash - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:43] <exec> 08└─You can't say that! You just can't! ACs only post AC because they don't want the blowback! Named accounts are the only way you can tell who someone really is! Nobody would ever use a pseudonym, that would just be dishonest...
[19:16:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:site errors - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:44] <exec> 08└─Could the errors be related to the mod_perl 2 conversion? There are know issues where it over aggressively caches old code and modules that have changed and will not de-cache then without a hard restart, even when tools used to hint or prompt it to refresh it's cache are used. This causes it to...
[19:16:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02encrypted trolling is the best kind - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:46] <exec> 08└─I can feel my BITS being MANGLED and it's so EROTIC. I want to shove a FIREHOSE into my ANUS and receive an ENEMA of current EVENTS.
[19:16:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:encrypted trolling is the best kind - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:47] <exec> 08└─That post is rightfully at -1, but wrongfully marked as spam. Please, don't abuse the spam moderation. Maybe the spam marking should be untied from the moderation system, so people don't get tempted to misuse the spam moderation.
[19:16:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:encrypted trolling is the best kind - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:49] <exec> 08└─> Maybe the spam marking should be untied from the moderation system, so people don't get tempted to misuse the spam moderation. If it becomes a regular problem, then we can cross that bridge.
[19:16:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Spam goes Spam by Default! - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:51] <exec> 08└─Lovely Spam! Wonderful Spam! Spam!
[19:16:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02Re:Spam goes Spam by Default! - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:52] <exec> 08└─Spam! Spam! Glorious Spam!
[19:16:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02Re:Spam goes Spam by Default! - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:54] <exec> 08└─Spam! Heavenly Spam! Spam!
[19:16:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Spam goes Spam by Default! - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:55] <exec> 08└─Bloody Vikings! But I do have to say, in regards to the naming, rehash could be strangely appropriate, since real hash is some form of chopped meat (not necessarily nicely spiced like Spam!), and SoylentNews is people, just like its namesake.
[19:16:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Articles without comments at times - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:57] <exec> 08└─Some articles show up without any comments at all. Only a reload fixes it.
[19:16:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Articles without comments at times - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:16:59] <exec> 08└─That was due to the site 500ing when trying to load comments. I'm not 100% I've successfully nailed the cause of this, but I haven't seen it happen since the update.
[19:16:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Articles without comments at times - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:00] <exec> 08└─It occurred just minutes before posting that comment.
[19:17:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Self-Signed Certs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:02] <exec> 08└─Tor traffic is set to bypass HTTPS due to the fact there is no way to prevent a self-signed certificate warning, and by design, tor both encrypts and authenticates hosts when connecting to them. A few lingering issues with the tor proxy
[19:17:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Self-Signed Certs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:03] <exec> 08└─The connection is terminated within our network if you're using our onion site, which is no different that non-tor SSL (we terminate SSL on the load balancer). We've documented and stated before. We've tried before to terminate on the web frontends, but have had odd side effects with that setup.
[19:17:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03compro01 [2515] (Score:2) 02Re:Self-Signed Certs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:05] <exec> 08└─But Tor doesn't help with last-mile attacks between that tor proxy and the server.
[19:17:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Self-Signed Certs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 580 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:07] <exec> 08└─OP got it in one. When you connect to soylentnews.org directly with Tor Browser, you'll get our standard SSL certificate (this incidentally should work now over tor, though much slower than if going via the onion site) . If you come out via our onion site, you pop out on boron, which is one of our m...
[19:17:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03axsdenied [384] (Score:3, Funny) 02No problems here - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:08] <exec> 08└─Luckily I am still on IE5 :-)
[19:17:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Just managed to get the 500 on logs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 2808 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:10] <exec> 08└─With the cleaned up logging code, I managed to catch the 500, though I'm at a loss at what caused it; it appears a bunch of things returned a value vs. a HASH when wanted ... [Sun Jun 07 04:40:54 2015] [error] /comments.pl:Slash::Utility::Comments:/srv/soylentnews.org/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1...
[19:17:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03barrahome [3580] (Score:1) 02Re:Just managed to get the 500 on logs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:11] <exec> 08└─Nice work NC and SoyLentNews team!
[19:17:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Just managed to get the 500 on logs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:13] <exec> 08└─Nice ass kissing, brown mouth.
[19:17:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Just managed to get the 500 on logs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:15] <exec> 08└─Do you touch your mother with those fingers? Perhaps you just touch yourself...
[19:17:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Just managed to get the 500 on logs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:16] <exec> 08└─I touch every inch of your mother's skin.
[19:17:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Just managed to get the 500 on logs - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:18] <exec> 08└─I think I found the problem. The database starts timing out or returning bad data on high loads (can't tell specifically). I retuned the frontend mysqld to try and improve performance; I forgot that the backend ndbd and frontend ndbd don't share tuning values. Now to wait and see if the 500 errors r...
[19:17:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Adrian Harvey [222] (Score:2) 02Why? - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:19] <exec> 08└─I wish you hadn't. This is a public website, my comments etc here are public. I use my real name. Now your site goes slower because there's no caching at my ISP. Why force me into using some encryption I don't need or want?
[19:17:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Refugee from beyond [2699] (Score:2, Informative) 02Because - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 275 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:21] <exec> 08└─MitM + zero day vulnerability = ??? Steal cookies, shill the hell out of your account = ??? If you think you have nothing to hide it does not mean it's true. Your BB would like to know what you read. Or maybe censor whatever you read, it's not like HTML manipulation is hard.
[19:17:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Moderation dropdown - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 467 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:22] <exec> 08└─Thanks for going all SSL! :) :) :) Never mind the few who don't understand why. But I just had a page with no moderation dropdown options. The dropdowns were there but nothing visible in the choices. View source revealed: <select id="reason_193075" name="reason_193075"> <option value="HA...
[19:17:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Moderation dropdown - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:24] <exec> 08└─This is related to the occassional 500s. As best I can tell, either a mySQL query is failing or a load from memcache fails, and somethign goes horridly pearshaped.
[19:17:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03r00t [1349] (Score:2) 02SSL config is mucked up - 06SoylentNews Goes SSL By Default! (Plus Minor Site Update) - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:26] <exec> 08└─Hey guys, not sure how you mitigated FREAK, POODLE , LOGJAM etc but check out your ssl config on https://www.ssllabs.com [ssllabs.com] I'm getting funky errors about broken encryption in firefox. Qualys is pointing out some problems with the DH mitigation invo...
[19:17:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What the fuck is this supposed to mean? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:27] <exec> 08└─stood trial for stalking an ex who had left him when he married a Russian woman
[19:17:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Re:What the fuck is this supposed to mean? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:29] <exec> 08└─It's quoted from the The Register, a bastion of fine journalism, so you're looking at the wrong editors.
[19:17:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What the fuck is this supposed to mean? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:30] <exec> 08└─I don't care who originally wrote it. I read it on this site, so the editors here shouldn't have let it through.
[19:17:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What the fuck is this supposed to mean? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:32] <exec> 08└─I don't care who originally wrote it. I read it on this site, so the editors here shouldn't have let it through.
[19:17:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What the fuck is this supposed to mean? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:34] <exec> 08└─We should be able to suggest edits to the "Pending Stories" stories before they end up on the front page. That way not just I can volunteer to be an editor, but you and anyone else could, too.
[19:17:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Abuse is impossible - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:35] <exec> 08└─Everyone knows that all the people in the government are perfect beings who can do no wrong and make no mistakes. Therefore, it's simply impossible that they could abuse these giant databases!
[19:17:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Why reference The Register? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:37] <exec> 08└─This is a really bad submission. Why does it even bother referencing The Register? The submission should just summarize the Canberra Times report, instead of linking to the excerpt from The Register, which links to the Canberra Times report. The Register is just a useless middleman in this case, and...
[19:17:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Why reference The Register? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:38] <exec> 08└─El Reg have a massive stockpile of their own childish memes that make their headlines virtually impossible to read. For some reason, many in IT think this makes them fun to read. I despair.
[19:17:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Why reference The Register? - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:40] <exec> 08└─The summary is perfectly understandable; don't feed the troll.
[19:17:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:1) 02I am shocked - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 1604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:42] <exec> 08└─I am shocked, shocked and appalled that there is some sort of accountability in government! Yes such a "tool" should never exist, but the fact the guy was caught misusing it, and prosecuted is a silver lining I thought I'd never see. On a side-note, I used to work for a "Too-Big-TO-Fail" bank about...
[19:17:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03CortoMaltese [5244] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:I am shocked - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:43] <exec> 08└─Yes such a "tool" should never exist, but the fact the guy was caught misusing it, and prosecuted is a silver lining I thought I'd never see.
[19:17:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] (Score:2) 02Re:I am shocked - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:45] <exec> 08└─Indeed. From Canberra Times [canberratimes.com.au]: He was arrested by ACT police in April after his ex-girlfriend accused him of stalking...Investigations revealed he had allegedly accessed an AFP database to collect information on the woman's new partner in an apparent attempt to split them up.
[19:17:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:2) 02More security theater and the real reason for it - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 637 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:46] <exec> 08└─Recently the TSA was able to sneak 67 out of 70 guns/explosives/etc aboard planes. Police forces use databases for inappropriate reasons. Cops turn off cameras and shoot suspects and pummel them to death in the back of cars. It really is tempting to put on the tin foil hat. More and more lately I fe...
[19:17:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:More security theater and the real reason for i - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 459 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:48] <exec> 08└─But then look what happens when the police aren't present. We have thugs like Michael Brown robbing convenience stores. We have allegedly "disadvantaged" people (although they get preferential treatment for education and many jobs, even when they're totally unqualified) rioting near St. Louis and in...
[19:17:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:More security theater and the real reason for i - 06Australian Federal Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Stalking Using Restricted Databases - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:49] <exec> 08└─But then look what happens when the police aren't present.
[19:17:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Oblig xkcd - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:51] <exec> 08└─String theory [xkcd.org]
[19:17:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Oblig xkcd - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:53] <exec> 08└─LOL I prefer this one: http://xkcd.com [xkcd.com] (especialy the tooltip comment is priceless)
[19:17:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02quantum chromodynamics as an example - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 1491 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:54] <exec> 08└─btw I know at least the buzz words for the strong force: quantumchromodynamics, and Yukawa potential. Hope this helps anyone (you never know). Note that quantumchromodynamics is a theory that has been developed since the 1930s and has yielded good results so far. But, if you read the Wikipedia artic...
[19:17:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02wow - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:56] <exec> 08└─we're finally waking up quick... need a false flag to distract again
[19:17:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03CRCulver [4390] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Maybe just give it time? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:17:57] <exec> 08└─In the past, theories have often been revised when engineering challenges had to be overcome. If you couldn't built it according to the theory you had, the theory obviously needed to be changed. Until the human race meets an engineering challenge that will require experimental confirmation or abando...
[19:17:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Maybe just give it time? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:17:59] <exec> 08└─then I don't see the problem with the inability to confirm these models at present.
[19:18:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Maybe just give it time? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:01] <exec> 08└─Sometimes entirely imaginary constructs are called into being just to balance some equation.
[19:18:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Maybe just give it time? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 1314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:02] <exec> 08└─But its faith based. Last time we were in the same pickle, luckily, theory developed the idea that waving copper coils thru a magnetic field would result in all kinds of WTF and it was trivially easy to build and they were correct and all kinds of fun developed. We're stuck the same way so we'll cha...
[19:18:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Maybe just give it time? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:04] <exec> 08└─We're stuck the same way so we'll charge on in blind faith that surely, something ridiculously obscure at this time will drop out of the equations and we can test it.
[19:18:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:4, Insightful) 02multiple universes? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 498 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:18:05] <exec> 08└─The so-called multiple-worlds theory is a straighforward attachment of words to the math -- the very math whose predictions have been validated experimentally many times over. It also predicts that we'll never never see those other worlds. This also seems to conform with experiment. It's consistent,...
[19:18:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:multiple universes? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:07] <exec> 08└─If those other worlds have any connection with the observable world, then we are observing them indirectly. If there is no connection, then they are superfluous rubbish.
[19:18:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02This is Scientism - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 1130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:18:08] <exec> 08└─This is nothing less than the attempt to morph Science into a total philosophy, i.e. one capable of answering Life, the Universe and Everything. Or in short, a religion. And it gets there basically the same way, by requiring a leap of Faith into the irrational. Everything in the last couple of decad...
[19:18:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is Scientism - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:10] <exec> 08└─and get on with the pogram
[19:18:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is Scientism - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:12] <exec> 08└─I've often thought it would be fun to create a parody religion called "scientonomy" where you have an F-meter that looks like a dildo, and a slogan that goes something like, "Give us all your money, dumbass" and/or "Scientonomy. Because everybody knows the one that ends with -onomy is the real one"....
[19:18:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:18:13] <exec> 08└─...and therefore climate change is not real... The End... (you know it's coming).
[19:18:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 2274 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:15] <exec> 08└─Of course. If Science is officially admitting it is no longer a fact based thing but is now a Faith based system complete with official orthodoxy, it is a no brainer to see how AGW theory is a product of the new Scientism. AGW isn't falsifiable. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Propose a way to falsify the...
[19:18:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Touché) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:16] <exec> 08└─AGW is the theory that people cause global warming by being the cause of most greenhouse gas emissions, which in turn are the largest forcing factor. So, you can falsify it by showing that humans are not the largest source of greenhouse gasses or by illustrating that something else has a larger forc...
[19:18:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:18] <exec> 08└─So, you can falsify it by showing that humans are not the largest source of greenhouse gasses or by illustrating that something else has a larger forcing effect.
[19:18:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:19] <exec> 08└─Venus did this. Temperatures are approximately the same at the same pressure regardless of what constitutes the atmosphere. They just call it a "coincidence" and dismiss it.
[19:18:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:21] <exec> 08└─Reminds me of linux and systemd. But linux started late and got there a little earlier.
[19:18:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:23] <exec> 08└─People deny that systemd exists? Or is it just that they deny it's man-made?
[19:18:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:24] <exec> 08└─Hardly a cogent thought here.
[19:18:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:26] <exec> 08└─Propose a way to falsify the theory
[19:18:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:...and therefore... - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:27] <exec> 08└─Funny I was just talking to Science in the break room the other day and he didn't say anything about this.
[19:18:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2, Disagree) 02Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:18:29] <exec> 08└─I don't remember Einstein proving his theories with experiments.
[19:18:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:31] <exec> 08└─Uhhhhh, the atomic bomb wasn't enough of a experiment for you?
[19:18:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 901 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:32] <exec> 08└─Just because you are ignorant doesn't change reality. Einstein made specific predictions based on his theory to explain observed oddities in the orbit of Mercury. An expedition was mounted, more careful measurements taken and he was proven correct; this was seen as a major confirmation of the theory...
[19:18:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:34] <exec> 08└─And I now know you are science-illiterate.
[19:18:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:35] <exec> 08└─He is jmorris! You are like the buzzing of flies to him! Bow before his climate-denying greatness, all you who think the science is settled and won't listen to his great and glorious refutation of the AGW!
[19:18:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:2) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 1267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:37] <exec> 08└─Wat? jmorris refuted GGP's assertation. Disclaimer: I do disagree with his position on AGW, although I haven't done enough research on the latest “Hay guise! There was no warming pause!” to be able to go along with that. It turns out there is some good reasoning behind adjusting measurements (i....
[19:18:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:38] <exec> 08└─He explicitly devised experiments to test his theory.
[19:18:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:40] <exec> 08└─Yeah, well he sort of won his Nobel doing that. And if you don't know what he won his Nobel for, then you don't know how close he worked to experiment.
[19:18:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03boristhespider [4048] (Score:2) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 275 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:42] <exec> 08└─Einstein didn't get a Nobel for general relativity. He got a Nobel for the photoelectric effect, and for contributions to theoretical physics. He never explicitly received a Nobel for relativity. http://www.nobelprize.org [nobelprize.org]
[19:18:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 247 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:43] <exec> 08└─He didn't do the experiments himself, no, but his theories were proven by the experiments of others. His theories made specific predictions, including many that he didn't like or agree with, and none of those predictions have been shown wrong yet.
[19:18:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02theory vs reality - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:18:45] <exec> 08└─it seems like the LHC has exposed that reality that do not align with any of our theories which results in extravagant offshoot theories. at the risk being lambasted, i think the currently accepted theory of Quantum Mechanics is flawed when it claims that the quantum world is probabilistic and thus...
[19:18:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:theory vs reality - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:46] <exec> 08└─QM is not a dogma - the math works out (mostly) and it is repeatedly verified experimentally (in the scale where it works). Einstein didn't like that QM only gave probability distribution so he spent the latter part of his life chasing alternative theory in vain. That doesn't mean we won't find a be...
[19:18:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:theory vs reality - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:48] <exec> 08└─the currently accepted theory of Quantum Mechanics is flawed when it claims that the quantum world is probabilistic and thus cannot be known for a certainty.
[19:18:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03VortexCortex [4067] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Tread lightly, here be dragons. - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 1970 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:18:49] <exec> 08└─I thought we already had a non-empirical theoretical field, it's called philosophy. Add a heaping helping of mathematics, thermodynamics and cybernetics to epistemology and you can get information theory. Add a smidgen of test cases to sociology and you get, well, mostly debunked conjecture but what...
[19:18:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Tread lightly, here be dragons. - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:51] <exec> 08└─I'm not anti-AGW,
[19:18:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:2) 02Re:Tread lightly, here be dragons. - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:53] <exec> 08└─"whore ignore" -- some typo :)
[19:18:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Tread lightly, here be dragons. - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 494 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:54] <exec> 08└─I think that whole "whoosh" theory of quantum relativity is just wrong because it brings out people who deny they are climate-change deniers, and everyone knows there is no empirical way to proof either a double negative or a "whoosh" that occurs "at a large fraction of C". Einstein, infinity: here,...
[19:18:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Boondoggle and Bullshit. - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 903 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:56] <exec> 08└─Aside from any practical advantages or demerits, the 5th Amendment probably wouldn't protect a brainscan using the same logic that says you can be compelled to give up your fingerprint, but not a password you remember. http://time.com [time.com] There mi...
[19:18:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Boondoggle and Bullshit. - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:57] <exec> 08└─Simple, when being interrogated with electrodes on your scalp, don't think about what you are supposed to to produce the "brainprint" that unlocks whatever you don't want unlocked. They can't compel you to think things you don't want to think about. Maybe it isn't that simple, but this isn't really...
[19:18:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:2) 02Re:3 electrodes - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:18:59] <exec> 08└─The study was, obviously, pay-walled so information is lacking...
[19:19:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03VortexCortex [4067] (Score:2) 02Re:Definition - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:01] <exec> 08└─That's simple: It's the FBI Warning of Doom! [youtube.com]
[19:19:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02biometrics - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:19:02] <exec> 08└─Oh, sure, just like a finger with a fingerprint, someone is just gonna take my brain out of my head and use it to generate the brainwave to unlock my stuff....
[19:19:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Pattern changing over time? - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:19:04] <exec> 08└─Might those patterns change over time? Might you even be able to actively change your pattern using biofeedback?
[19:19:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03cafebabe [894] (Score:2) 02Weak Brainprint - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:19:05] <exec> 08└─We complain when users have weak passwords or don't use passwords at all. Now we'll complain when users have a weak brainprint or none at all.
[19:19:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:9.5s is 9.5s whether 1 used disallowed drugs or - 06Computer Scientists are Astir After Baidu Team is Barred From A.I. Competition - 901 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:07] <exec> 08└─First: If you allow them to do this a bunch of times, it is possible to empirically "train" their model against the hidden test set. I was under the impression that they uploaded their code, it was run, and they saw some results. There's no way that 200 runs should reveal enough information to train...
[19:19:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:9.5s is 9.5s whether 1 used disallowed drugs or - 06Computer Scientists are Astir After Baidu Team is Barred From A.I. Competition - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:08] <exec> 08└─I'm tired and just reread that, 10^n is clearly wrong but I can't be bothered fixing it.
[19:19:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Learning, limits and cheating. - 06Computer Scientists are Astir After Baidu Team is Barred From A.I. Competition - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:10] <exec> 08└─Because you want a product that can be extrapolated to real-world work with images not belonging to the test step. The goal is to make a system that can have real-world applications, not just iterate over the test set and match the images against pre-learned patterns.
[19:19:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Learning, limits and cheating. - 06Computer Scientists are Astir After Baidu Team is Barred From A.I. Competition - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:12] <exec> 08└─Nothing prevented Baidu from creating their own image database to improve their software with. The point of the contest is to SHOW that their AI is working, not to tweak their AI to a pre-existing dataset. Clearly the Baidu engineers were attempting to game the system, and their "apology" is quite l...
[19:19:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:In the repository - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 944 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:13] <exec> 08└─Usually (at least, I've never seen an exception so far) the f-droid versions of apps strip out the Google ads functionality because it's non-free, and the descriptions include warning in red text about things like "endorses non-free services" etc. If you browse the apps from the website you can go t...
[19:19:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:In the repository - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:15] <exec> 08└─nothing to do with Google, I was thinking of things like AdBlock that inject their own ads.
[19:19:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:In the repository - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 337 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:17] <exec> 08└─Because the apps in F-Droid are open source they strip out the advertising library and replace it with one that doesn't do anything. It does mention this in the package info, so maybe that is what you were thinking of. Perhaps they didn't used to do this, but have since I started using it, which I t...
[19:19:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03penguinoid [5331] (Score:1) 02Re:In the repository - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:18] <exec> 08└─Thanks! F-droid sounds exactly like what I was looking for.
[19:19:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:In the repository - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 459 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:20] <exec> 08└─Just going to add that, even if you're not using Linux|BSD, this is still useful advice if you're hunting desktop apps. Most -- but not all -- popular FOSS software tends to make its way to Windows and/or OS X as well, so you can search the Ubuntu [ubuntu.com] or Debian [debian.org] package lists to...
[19:19:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Use the repository, playonlinux is nice too - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:22] <exec> 08└─Fake their server? or pretend to be outside of coverage..?
[19:19:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Use the repository, playonlinux is nice too - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:23] <exec> 08└─There are apps that use the hosts file to make it appear that the mother ship is off line, or just resolve them all to 127.0.0.1
[19:19:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Use the repository, playonlinux is nice too - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:26] <exec> 08└─The question is if the App will accept that state of things. And the hostfile is just a stopgap solution. It's better to enumerate hosts that are allowed.
[19:19:26] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03fritsd [4586] 02Re:Pay attention to app permissions - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 73 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:27] <exec> 08└─So the game is responsible to check if the phone is ringing or in a call.
[19:19:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Pay attention to app permissions - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 706 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:29] <exec> 08└─I read that "howtogeek" article you linked to, and I agree it would be very bad news if that is true. The "androidcentral" article, the paragraph about phone calls, *sounds* wrong. I'm not saying it *is* wrong, I haven't checked it. But consider: Phone calls -- read phone status and identity The mos...
[19:19:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Pay attention to app permissions - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:30] <exec> 08└─I do not have the time/energy to download the AOSP source code and check the watered-down permissions issue for myself.
[19:19:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pay attention to app permissions - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:32] <exec> 08└─Huh. Looking at the app permissions and the ease and ability of users to control/override them, and users not having a power user mode so they don't need to root their phones to automate stuff like turn on and off- GPS, mobile data roaming, airplane mode, etc; I'd say google or someone else is the f...
[19:19:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Start with a spyware-free OS first. - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:33] <exec> 08└─This is what I was going to post. I would start with http://replicant.us [replicant.us]
[19:19:34] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03isostatic [365] 02Re:So you want FREE apps, huh? - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 455 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:35] <exec> 08└─You want free apps, then the time, expertise, equipment (which ain't cheap), and training to create them has to be paid for somehow by someone Interesting. In the real world we all use software that is free. Really free. I'm not aware of any adware/spyware/tracking in the linux kernel, or apache, or...
[19:19:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:So you want FREE apps, huh? - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:37] <exec> 08└─Because you're using an ecosystem run by for-profit companies like Apple and Google. This is why the ecosystem kind of sucks and is full of spyware crap. Stick to not-for-profit endeavors and some of the corruption goes away.
[19:19:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02Re:So you want FREE apps, huh? - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 597 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:38] <exec> 08└─One difference is that mobile software is expensive to develop. With iOS, you have to pay to play just to release an app, plus you have to buy Apple devices and computers. Android is cheaper, but still not free like building a white-box computer from parts. Other free software is platform-oriented,...
[19:19:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Common Joe [33] (Score:2) 02Portable Apps for Windows - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:19:40] <exec> 08└─There's a website www.portableapps.com [portableapps.com] which caters to people who want portable apps (i.e., no installation required) on Windows. Most software there is "free" and there are a lot of interesting things on there. (I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with the portable versi...
[19:19:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Mars Orbiter was not a failure of the units - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:41] <exec> 08└─And I support your right to act like an idiot on the internet. Go free speech!
[19:19:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Mars Orbiter was not a failure of the units - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:43] <exec> 08└─Hah! What exactly are the (bad) consequences of making a "universal mandate" that a spaceship must be all metric and not mix in imperial parts or measurements. Because we already know the bad consequences of not doing so. This kind of mandate is as bad as requiring that all technicians account for t...
[19:19:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Mars Orbiter was not a failure of the units - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:45] <exec> 08└─What exactly are the (bad) consequences of making a "universal mandate" that a spaceship must be all metric and not mix in imperial parts or measurements.
[19:19:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:What's causing the SoylentNews failures? - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:46] <exec> 08└─So, what did you say when you reported the bug? You did report it, didn't you? You know, with all the relevant details so that it can be traced and identified. You did, didn't you? Alternatively, you could try reading this story from a few hours earlier [soylentnews.org].
[19:19:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Go full metric.. - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:48] <exec> 08└─I believe the French had a metric system for Time too.
[19:19:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Go full metric.. - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 538 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:49] <exec> 08└─Actually, I believe those two are tied together somehow with navigation. Seconds, and degrees. A second may be a second but only in the same way that a yard is a yard. A second is a duration of time, and that period we choose to use is purely arbitrary, just as is the yard and the meter. In later ti...
[19:19:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pslytely Psycho [1218] (Score:2) 02Re:Logic - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 2877 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:51] <exec> 08└─"I'm just happy he put forth a real operational thing to be fixed." I agree that issues such as pollution, government spying, police militarization.....are real things that need to be fixed, and are ignored by the vast majority of politicos, however, complete metric conversion...not. There is nothin...
[19:19:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You should have tried to prove yourself wrong - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:52] <exec> 08└─It's only "suicided" when you don't do it to yourself. Your beloved little Aaron did it to himself. That's why it's just suicide.
[19:19:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:You should have tried to prove yourself wrong - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:54] <exec> 08└─Just ask Carmen Ortiz..
[19:19:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It won't happen though - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 503 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:19:58] <exec> 08└─Don't laugh, this is exactly what the Chinese govt did. For example, the very common Chinese traditional weight unit of "jin" (斤), the Chinese govt redefined it as 500 grams, which is still close to the original weight, yet now works well with the metric kilograms. The US govt could just define a...
[19:20:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It won't happen though - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 447 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:20:03] <exec> 08└─When his assessment of the situation is stated as eloquently as he did in the commented section, yes Virginia, he is an arrogant prick. Because you may agree with his points doesn't make him any less of an arrogant prick. And I think you missed my point about the French language. Do you agree that t...
[19:20:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:It won't happen though - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:20:05] <exec> 08└─Tu quoque, mon AC? Methinks thou dost protest too much!
[19:20:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:seems like they have a good case - 06Company Demands DNA Swabs From Employees During Hunt for Rogue Pooper - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:20:17] <exec> 08└─it would be pretty crap if they had a shitty case
[19:20:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:Maybe they should have brought the police in - 06Company Demands DNA Swabs From Employees During Hunt for Rogue Pooper - 11 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:20:22] <exec> 08└─cheek tests
[19:20:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Maybe they should have brought the police in - 06Company Demands DNA Swabs From Employees During Hunt for Rogue Pooper - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:20:30] <exec> 08└─> Using video footage to identify the perpetrator is no different than using DNA testing to identify the perpetrator. Lemme guess, you also think that moderation is censorship, amiright?
[19:20:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:Needs to be said - 06Company Demands DNA Swabs From Employees During Hunt for Rogue Pooper - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:20:37] <exec> 08└─It's their duty!
[19:20:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:I would have given them a DNA sample - 06Company Demands DNA Swabs From Employees During Hunt for Rogue Pooper - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:20:40] <exec> 08└─You're a rather cheeky fellow!
[19:20:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03TLA [5128] (Score:2) 02Movie at 11 - 06Company Demands DNA Swabs From Employees During Hunt for Rogue Pooper - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:20:42] <exec> 08└─starring Danny Glover and Willem Dafoe. The Phantom Shitter strikes again. (had to be done).
[19:21:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Seems Suspicious - 06US Bombs ISIS Command Center After 'Moron' Posts Selfie Online - 933 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:21:24] <exec> 08└─Your phrasing appears to be choosen to deliberately conceal the facts. There is no reason to believe the photo was not made public on social media. Ergo no reason for special spy access required. If their goal was to sell special spy access, they would have said that's what they used. > because Amer...
[19:21:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Possible - 06US Bombs ISIS Command Center After 'Moron' Posts Selfie Online - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:21:29] <exec> 08└─That mole better be over the hills though, or CIA will be one short...
[19:21:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03sudo rm -rf [2357] (Score:2) 02Re:Language - 06US Bombs ISIS Command Center After 'Moron' Posts Selfie Online - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:21:33] <exec> 08└─"And in some social media, open forum, bragging about command and control capabilities for Da'esh, ISIL, And these guys go 'ah, we got an in.'" Yeah, almost sounds like valley-girlish, fer sure [youtube.com].
[19:21:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Next in the news - 06US Bombs ISIS Command Center After 'Moron' Posts Selfie Online - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:21:36] <exec> 08└─Terrorists line up to take selfies in front of the White House.
[19:21:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:_NSAKEY - 06Microsoft Tries to Defend BitLocker Disk Encryption - 436 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:21:55] <exec> 08└─So let me get this straight....you are butthurt that MSFT actually followed the laws in their home country [techcrunch.com] instead of telling the government "fuck you we can do what we want"....is THAT your position? Well then you should be completely against the MSFT antitrust ruling or any kind...
[19:21:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:_NSAKEY - 06Microsoft Tries to Defend BitLocker Disk Encryption - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:21:56] <exec> 08└─That was acceptable when the United States disallowed export of secure encryption (Lotus Notes did something similar, 64-bit key, with the top 24 bits given to the NSA. Wikipedia has a reference about it [wikipedia.org]). However, since encryption is no longer export prohibited (for the most part),...
[19:22:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03dingus [5224] (Score:1) 02Re:A wild Lameness filter would like to battle - 06TISA, TTIP's Evil Brother - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:22:10] <exec> 08└─Yes, this seems to me to look like a case of corporations attacking other corporations. Nothing to do with FOSS.
[19:22:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:the irony, it burns - 06TISA, TTIP's Evil Brother - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:22:19] <exec> 08└─Don't be silly -- you know what I mean. Joe's Yard Service Inc. has no more sway with the government than an 8th grader does. BP? Microsoft? GE? Monsanto? That's a different story.
[19:22:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03dingus [5224] (Score:1) 02Re:Next Revolution - 06TISA, TTIP's Evil Brother - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:22:25] <exec> 08└─The thing is, the rights of individuals have been expanded far outside of their normal definitions -- for instance, the right to free speech has been interpreted as the right to give money to politicians freely. So, if you give those same rights to corporations, they get powers far beyond what an in...
[19:22:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Next Revolution - 06TISA, TTIP's Evil Brother - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:22:27] <exec> 08└─The thing is, the rights of individuals have been expanded far outside of their normal definitions -- for instance, the right to free speech has been interpreted as the right to give money to politicians freely.
[19:22:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Next Revolution - 06TISA, TTIP's Evil Brother - 872 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:22:28] <exec> 08└─Here's a company that has bought itself a Sherrif's department: http://www.nationofchange.org [nationofchange.org] As he leaned in, a white badge dangled from a lanyard around his neck. It read, “Dominion Co...
[19:22:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Next Revolution - 06TISA, TTIP's Evil Brother - 238 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:22:31] <exec> 08└─In a sense transferring effective power to corporations is a throwback to the aristocratic era. This as corporations can be likened to the holdings of aristocrats (stockholders), that has left them in the hands of caretakers (executives).
[19:22:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03dingus [5224] (Score:2, Interesting) 02The EU is seriously okay with this? - 06TISA, TTIP's Evil Brother - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:22:35] <exec> 08└─I've heard of supreme court cases of the EU(and EU member states) cracking down on data-mining companies. Why are they suddenly dioing a 360?
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[20:12:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Yeah - certificate expired - 06Site Issues - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:12:56] <exec> 08└─I couldn't know if the NSA were intercepting my traffic, or if you guys had sold out, so I refused the certificate. Can't be to careful. Speaking of which, I need to go into town this evening, and get some new tin foil hats . . .
[20:12:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Yeah - certificate expired - 06Site Issues - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:12:57] <exec> 08└─> new tin foil hats The new ones have been compromised by the NSA. Either build your own from materials of known provenance, or make do with the older model as long as you can.
[20:12:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03TLA [5128] (Score:2) 02stylesheet broken? - 06Site Issues - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:12:59] <exec> 08└─I'll be on IRC...
[20:13:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02cuckoopopoo - 06Site Issues - 1488 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:13:01] <exec> 08└─Did you know that if you go Into a drugstore and the front lines are long you can go to the photo lab or pharmacy and have them check your shit out? Be informed. Just got a free half-pitcher from the pisspot of a keg and tipped the bartender five bucks for her efforts. Men who speak to their girlfri...
[20:13:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:cuckoopopoo - 06Site Issues - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:13:02] <exec> 08└─Sober up Ethanol, Monday's coming...
[20:13:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02New SSL Cert On The Way - 06Site Issues - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:13:04] <exec> 08└─I'm currently working through validating the site to replicate the SSL cert. With luck it will be up within the hour.
[20:13:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Diversity Needs Fascism - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:13:10] <exec> 08└─Freedom and security cannot co-exist in society without a shared culture.
[20:13:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score:2) 02Obvious poison, flagged for life - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 724 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:13:12] <exec> 08└─The answers I have: ...including email addresses: whereevermyfingershitthekeyboardtoday@mailinator.com ...credit card details: never pay tickets with credit card, never done, never will ...phone numbers: sorry, I do not have a phone ...and meal choices (halal, kosher, etc): NOYFB(*) and served well...
[20:13:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02on the flip side... - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 768 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:13:23] <exec> 08└─...university is mostly just a very, hmm, tidy refugee camp. The students are there because they want a "better" life later, not knowledge. I mean, it should not matter if someone cheats or not, if they can hang on to the education and do well, they are in... If someone got in, and can't hang on, th...
[20:13:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02the eevblog dude... - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 1346 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:13:24] <exec> 08└─...talked in a video about what made him want to become an EE. He told that even when he was a kid, he was fascinated by tech. He used to have small electronics kits, and catalogues and papers on the stuff. He had it as a hobby long before the university, and also mentioned that at the university, h...
[20:13:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:13:53] <exec> 08└─If we're seen as crackpots and whackos by the Slashdot hive, then we must be doing things right. I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member and all that.
[20:13:55] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03janrinok [52] 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 834 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:13:55] <exec> 08└─Take your pick: http://www.theguardian.com [theguardian.com] http://www.washingtonpost.com [washingtonpost.com] https://www.techdirt.c...
[20:13:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:13:59] <exec> 08└─That's like quoting Hitler on the health problems of smoking when there are more reputable sources. Just because it's correct doesn't mean it isn't tainted by the source.
[20:14:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Is this the same FBI? - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:14:02] <exec> 08└─FBI are a bunch of Catholics and Mormons. Not only did they grow up in authoritarian households, but they've internalized that continuing the cycle of authoritarianism and control is doi g god's bidding. That's what makes the types working in American security services dangerous.
[20:14:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:not lights? it's dark. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:14:09] <exec> 08└─Great article. It seems that I remember reading about Buehler, but he didn't really mean anything to me back then. But, you definitely make my point, better than I did. This crap dates back at least sixty years - the article you link to implies that it dates right back to the end of WW2.
[20:15:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Just use Wayland. - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 756 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:15:43] <exec> 08└─Glad someone saw the humour ;) I know Ubuntu is the current go-to Linux distro when people want to moan, but I recently installed Mint on my latest self-build. Everything worked out of the box. The Intel AC wifi card, the AMD graphics card, the Realtek audio chipset and both ethernet ports, the USB3...
[20:17:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:multiple universes? - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 517 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:17:34] <exec> 08└─The problem with that sort of theory is that there are plausibly many other mutually exclusive theories that exist in the same space. Thought becomes meaningless when everything could be correct. We could all be on a holodeck. This all could be a collective dream. It could only be that you exist but...
[20:17:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:theory vs reality - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:18:00] <exec> 08└─Einstein didn't like that QM only gave probability distribution so he spent the latter part of his life chasing alternative theory in vain
[20:18:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Weak Brainprint - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:18:27] <exec> 08└─"Does your brain contain lowercase and uppercase alphabetic characters, numbers and symbols? No? OK, you do not require any security at all!"
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[21:12:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Yeah - certificate expired - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:12:59] <exec> 08└─Always make, never purchase, consumers are blood bags for these vampires.
[21:13:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Yeah - certificate expired - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:00] <exec> 08└─Since you're looking for new tinfoil hats, why not try a new distro? You just pick the package(s) you want and basically roll your own. OSTH are the only way to be sure Alcoa hasn't sold you out.
[21:13:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03No Respect [991] (Score:2) 02Re:New SSL Cert On The Way - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:06] <exec> 08└─Don't you mean "replace" the certificate? If cert replication is a thing then we're all pretty much screwed anyway.
[21:13:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:New SSL Cert On The Way - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:07] <exec> 08└─I'm currently working through validating the site to replicate the SSL cert. With luck it will be up within the hour.
[21:13:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What changed to cause this disaster? - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:09] <exec> 08└─What changed to cause this disaster? Is this yet another incident caused by the rehash update?
[21:13:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What changed to cause this disaster? - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:11] <exec> 08└─After action takeaway - Never "go live with SSL only" on an expired cert.
[21:13:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:What changed to cause this disaster? - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:12] <exec> 08└─Wasn't that obvious before?
[21:13:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What changed to cause this disaster? - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:14] <exec> 08└─Wasn't that obvious before?
[21:13:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:What changed to cause this disaster? - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:15] <exec> 08└─This was "Make sure you have the CURRENT certificate before modifying the load balancer settings". I quickly changed the SSL mod on the loadbalancer, which zeroed out the key and certificate. What I thought was the valid key and cert turned out to be the old one. Which lead to a very hasty reissuing...
[21:13:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What changed to cause this disaster? - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:17] <exec> 08└─As a silver lining, our certificate is now SHA-256 based
[21:13:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02SSL - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:18] <exec> 08└─Brother, I feel your pain about SSL https://darrencaldwellwebdesign.ca [darrencaldwellwebdesign.ca] It broke all my webhooks, broke all my email functions. And I still (sometimes) get those cert warnings like you just got. When you get a warning like that usually it means that your 'chain of authori...
[21:13:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 337 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:20] <exec> 08└─Why not just bite the bullet and go full nodejs? You'd turn this shit jalopy into a fucking space ship with the new technology at your disposal. Caveat, if they don't use javascript, their SOL, but then again that's because their employers broke their browsers (only a few crusty gray haired ones sti...
[21:13:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:22] <exec> 08└─Why not just bite the bullet and go full nodejs?
[21:13:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03DarkMorph [674] (Score:2) 02Rendering - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:23] <exec> 08└─I'm continuing to do work to get performance for Firefox to be decent.
[21:13:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) (Score:2) 02I appreciate the regular updates on site news - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:25] <exec> 08└─You are in the running for the META Editorial Transparency Award.
[21:13:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Diversity Needs Fascism - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:27] <exec> 08└─Sure it can. You can have many cultures as long as they are peaceful and tolerant and don't make their goal the destruction of other cultures. There are really only a couple of religion based cultures that are are causing all of the problems.
[21:13:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Diversity Needs Fascism - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:28] <exec> 08└─There are really only a couple of religion based cultures that are are causing all of the problems.
[21:13:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02Re:Diversity Needs Fascism - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:30] <exec> 08└─It is not cultural problems we are having. In many parts of the world is postcollonial + postimperial problems + industrial exploitation. So, by and large, I am inclined to agree with you, if fascism implies order. People are angry, people hate, people blame... So today, diversity needs order, and o...
[21:13:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:3, Insightful) 02North America - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 238 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:13:32] <exec> 08└─Last I was aware, both Canada and the US receive and store European PNR data and would probably share the data with friendly foreign agencies. What the EU decides isn't particularly relevant as the data is kept by others and is available.
[21:13:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Does it need to work? - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:40] <exec> 08└─Doesn't matter in China. The government is always right there.. I guess the damages one can sue for is negligible.
[21:13:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score:1) 02Re:Does it need to work? - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:43] <exec> 08└─Sounds like the TV detector vans [telegraph.co.uk] used in the UK to enforce payment of the TV license [wikipedia.org].
[21:13:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02to dwell deeper... - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 1329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:47] <exec> 08└─...a couple of stories comes to mind, about how some "good technicians" failed uinversity education. - there were some who could take the "measurements and insturmentetion" courses, and understand the statistics involved in analysing the precision, they understood the properties of the components, a...
[21:13:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02Re:to dwell deeper... - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 856 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:48] <exec> 08└─To be absolutely honest with you, guys, I have failed too. I am actually, a dropout =) Apart form my lifestyle, and "attitude", there are some interesting reasons for my lack of success. As many of you know, the best of us can take the porblem into the head, and see it with the minds eye. Unfortunat...
[21:13:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Dishonorable people signing other people's names - 06England Night Sky Lit Up By Rare Noctilucent Cloud - 336 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:13:58] <exec> 08└─...but, had he included Marxism as a part of the solution, it would have been as if he was channeling me. Extra points might have been awarded by mentioning Mondragon [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [rdwolff.com] or Marinaleda [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [jacobinmag.com] which are, of course, immu...
[21:14:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Yeah sure … - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:12] <exec> 08└─The next step is to outlaw "unsafe" encryption in the USA. That way, unhappy citizens terrorists won't be able to organize protests coordinate attacks on the illegitimate freedom-loving government and it's people. War is peace.
[21:14:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 3 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:18] <exec> 08└─HN?
[21:14:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:23] <exec> 08└─Come on. Read the comment before you reply to it. That was addressed already: No, I won't submit my own submissions here. I've seen how the editors will mangle perfectly good submissions into total shit. I'm not wasting my time with that.
[21:14:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:28] <exec> 08└─By reading SN I only get the relevant stuff from that source. Otherwise one would have to wade through the 99% intellectual mud that SN submitters skipped.
[21:14:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:not lights? it's dark. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 789 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:39] <exec> 08└─Duh.. For anyone paying attention at all, it has been obvious for a long time that the communication links between all these internet computers was too tempting for any 3LA organization to let be: 1996 - ECHELON 2000 - Carnivore 2006 - AT&T employee Mark Klein, reveals the existence of Room 641A wit...
[21:15:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:all large oranizations are fundamentally corrup - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:15:44] <exec> 08└─I think you are on the right track. It's not a specific organization that is the problem. It's human cognitive fallibility and game theory (egoistic interest) in play. That's why there's election for the supposedly most important organization.. the government. Which is now run by non-elected organiz...
[21:16:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Try having a family member - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:16:23] <exec> 08└─The ARMs SOCs mostly use closed piece of crap accelerators, so sorry, ARM is there already.
[21:16:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Idiocracy? - 06Intel Skylake & Broxton Graphics Processors To Start Mandating Binary Blobs - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:16:28] <exec> 08└─Get important people on a real platform and leave the dead fish in the facebook pool of poor digital hygiene slime.
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[22:13:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Linux is the best OS ever made. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:00] <exec> 08└─▬▬▬.◙.▬▬▬ ═▂▄▄▓▄▄▂ ◢◤ █▀▀████▄▄▄▄◢◤ █▄ █ーJ ███▀▀▀▀▀▀▀╬ LINUX MADE ME SO RICH ◥█████◤ /▌ ══╩══╩══▬▬▬.◙.▬▬▬ I HAVE A MERCEDES CHOPPER ON THE HELIPAD OF MY ROOF!!!
[22:13:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:1, Offtopic) 02Lactic Acid and Genetics? - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:13:01] <exec> 08└─▬▬▬.◙.▬▬▬ ═▂▄▄▓▄▄▂ ◢◤ █▀▀████▄▄▄▄◢◤ █▄ █ーJ ███▀▀▀▀▀▀▀╬ LINUX MADE ME SO RICH ◥█████◤ /▌ ══╩══╩══▬▬▬.◙.▬▬▬ I HAVE A MERCEDES CHOPPER ON THE HELIPAD OF MY ROOF!!!
[22:13:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02What a fucking shitty submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:03] <exec> 08└─What a fucking shitty submission. Two weeks ago, vets were forced to euthanize the promising gray thoroughbred filly, Eight Belles, when she collapsed on the track after completing the race at Churchill Downs, suffering from two shattered ankles in her front legs.
[22:13:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What a fucking shitty submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:13:04] <exec> 08└─Yeah he said the same thing in the Slashdot version. Seems editors on neither site actually did any "editing" of the submission.
[22:13:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lunix Nutcase [3913] (Score:2) 02Re:What a fucking shitty submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:13:06] <exec> 08└─Apparently it was more important to be pedantic over the spelling of the horse's name than to actually fact check the submission.
[22:13:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02/. tore apart this piece-of-shit submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:08] <exec> 08└─Like many of the stories here, this one was posted to /. a day ago [slashdot.org]. Many of the comments there point out how bad of a submission this is, in so many different respects. When faced with a submission that was already on /. earlier, the editors here should see how the people there reacte...
[22:13:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Yeah - certificate expired - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:18] <exec> 08└─I need to do that too. Turns out the Illuminati changed all of my tin foil hats to aluminum!
[22:13:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:SSL - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:31] <exec> 08└─This was fixed with the new SSL certs. SSLLabs reports the server is sending the entire chain now.
[22:13:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 697 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:34] <exec> 08└─I wasn't volunteering, I was talking to a fellow dev. I'm guessing you don't have our skill so you think I meant to do it myself? I could, but I'd want money. A full rebuild like this would take about 2 months to get up and going in nodejs. The benefits would be incredible though. Imagine that as po...
[22:13:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Rendering - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 448 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:37] <exec> 08└─The problem is the loadbalancer doesn't support SSL keep-alive, and Firefox takes an unusually long time to do SSL teardown/rebuild. Chrome and IE don't show the same problem, and the dev site isn't load balanced. It took me awhile to realize the problem was specific to firefox and not everyone in g...
[22:13:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:I appreciate the regular updates on site news - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:13:39] <exec> 08└─Hey, that's supposed to be a secret!
[22:13:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Obvious poison, flagged for life - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:13:51] <exec> 08└─It's all done to feed algorithmic big data machines. If meal == halal then arrest(); How do you evade the price penalty for not booking online with a credit card?
[22:14:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:to dwell deeper... - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:14:09] <exec> 08└─This make consulting work or plain employee work quite interesting. How much time should one charge for? 168 hours per week? ;-)
[22:14:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Flying meat grinder - beware - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:14:10] <exec> 08└─So now test takers not only have to worry about the test but also a buzzing meat grinder just waiting to slice your neck?
[22:14:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03compro01 [2515] (Score:2) 02Re:Yeah sure … - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:14:37] <exec> 08└─Even if they can create a quantum computer, that can be worked around. For symmetric encryption, dealing with a quantum computer is basically as simple as doubling your key size. 256-bit or better is already basically unbreakable via quantum computing. Asymmetric would be more problematic, as the al...
[22:14:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Enough with The Register submissions. - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:14:45] <exec> 08└─Hacker News [ycombinator.com]. It's where the people who actually work in the industry discuss things.
[22:15:40] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03takyon [881] 02Re:But we printed a Brochure. - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 1021 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:15:40] <exec> 08└─Red Cross has played damage control [cnn.com], as any multibillion dollar empire would. The allegations stand. The Red Cross also declined repeatedly to disclose details on how exactly money was spent in Haiti and instead provided only broad categories of expenditures, despite a pledge by CEO Gail M...
[22:15:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Stop using People - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:15:46] <exec> 08└─I do not consider the human body to be a machine that is so special it cannot be altered pulled apart and put back together like any other machine would be
[22:18:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:18:52] <exec> 08└─You didn't even read my post! It directly relates to the article saying that some scientists don't create experiments to prove their theories. Einstein didn't do anything you talked about in your post.
[22:18:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:18:57] <exec> 08└─He didn't.
[22:19:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Theorist - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:19:01] <exec> 08└─But this is exactly what the article is talking about. Einstein was exactly the person describe here who created theories but did not experimentally prove them.
[22:19:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02So far - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:19:11] <exec> 08└─Lots of angry people but so far nobody has proved me wrong. Einstein performed thought experiments at best. Other scientists performing experiments on his theories does not change my original post. This directly relates to the article saying that some scientists explicitly set aside the need for exp...
[22:20:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Mars Orbiter was not a failure of the units - 06Presidential Metrics: Lincoln Chafee and le Système International - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:20:55] <exec> 08└─You are inventing stuff. Metric is now higher cost and more mistake prone than mixing imperial and metric? Just go away.
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[23:13:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Linux is the best OS ever made. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:04] <exec> 08└─I HAVE A MERCEDES CHOPPER ON THE HELIPAD OF MY ROOF!!!
[23:13:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Linux is the best OS ever made. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:05] <exec> 08└─Who is a Roko's Basilisk?
[23:13:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:/. tore apart this piece-of-shit submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:11] <exec> 08└─I completely agree that this submission isn't very good, it's almost certainly the worst i've ever seen from Hugh Pickens. However, what slashdot does or does not do, and indeed what their community thinks on any given story has no bearing on what happens here. This is SoylentNews, different site ru...
[23:13:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:/. tore apart this piece-of-shit submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 1644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:12] <exec> 08└─I'd like to think that this site could be better than Slashdot at the basics. For example, the submissions could have blatantly obvious errors in them removed prior to ending up on the front page. Being even marginally better than Slashdot isn't asking very much, of course. Slashdot isn't known for...
[23:13:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:/. tore apart this piece-of-shit submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:14] <exec> 08└─Yeah, Soylent is becoming more and more "Slashdot from 2-3 days ago".
[23:13:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:/. tore apart this piece-of-shit submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:15] <exec> 08└─When faced with a submission that was already on /. earlier, the editors here should see how the people there reacted to it.
[23:13:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:/. tore apart this piece-of-shit submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:17] <exec> 08└─Sure, the submission is far, far below HP's standards
[23:13:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:/. tore apart this piece-of-shit submission. - 06American Pharoah Beats Science to Win Triple Crown - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:19] <exec> 08└─It's a fucking Hugh Pickens submission. The editors here should know full well that if it's ending up on the front page here, then it was surely on the front page of /. yesterday. Even if they don't read every /. story, they should know that in a case like this, where Hugh Pickens is involved, that...
[23:13:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03boristhespider [4048] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:45] <exec> 08└─I think you entirely missed his point. On this site, given it's run entirely and completely by volunteers, if you want it, feel free to do it. Demand money for doing it yourself? Don't fucking request it for free from volunteers, then. Prick.
[23:13:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:46] <exec> 08└─It's volunteer? How does it stay operational? People need to eat.
[23:13:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:48] <exec> 08└─Let's see ... the folks who run the site have regular jobs. While they aren't at work they volunteer some of their time to running the site. Some code, some test, some this, some that. But they all donate their time in order to keep the site running, as well as donating their time to upgrade the ope...
[23:13:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:50] <exec> 08└─Ah, I think I just pinpointed why nothing gets really done here then in terms of changes.
[23:13:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:52] <exec> 08└─Your first visit and you think you know anything about this site? I will admit this: I've made multiple requests for a "Douche Nozzle" moderation tag and they've never implemented it. I guess that's proof you're right? Or perhaps it's why you're not modded as 'Douche Nozzle'.
[23:13:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:53] <exec> 08└─I'm guessing you don't have our skill so you think I meant to do it myself?
[23:13:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:55] <exec> 08└─I am a developer. It's not nodejs though that I'm actually looking at. It's that functionality I was talking about, of stuff 'magic' popping on the screen. It's actually a real technology and yes I absolutely expect that to be the norm for how a website operates. I understand you said you disabled j...
[23:13:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:56] <exec> 08└─I understand you said you disabled javascript? Awesome, welcome to 1990, enjoy your internet.
[23:13:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:y'know... - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 928 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:58] <exec> 08└─Not talking about nodejs, the specific platform you mentioned? Ahh, I see. You mean ajax, web 2.0, etc. Well, if you knew anything about this site's community you'd know that a js dependent site is not something that we want. In fact, any js dependent features are supposed to gracefully fall back to...
[23:13:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03quixote [4355] (Score:2) 02fairly ignorant Firefox user - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:59] <exec> 08└─I vaguely understand what you're on about regarding certs, so I'm not sure I'd see the problem if there was one. But for what it's worth, SN is running flawlessly and fast on my Firefox35 (Debian Jessie/stable/8 system).
[23:14:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:fairly ignorant Firefox user - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:01] <exec> 08└─That's because we disabled SSL-by-default which got firefox to stop sucking.
[23:14:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I appreciate the regular updates on site news - 06Site Issues [Updated] - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:03] <exec> 08└─Who is Roko's Basilisk?
[23:14:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03quixote [4355] (Score:2) 02Magic underpants! - 06European Parliament Divided on Air Passenger Privacy - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:15] <exec> 08└─So, I think I've understood: 1."The threats we face are real and we need to find solutions." 2. Evidence so far shows that tracking people does not remove the threats. 3. Proposed solution: track people! 4. ***Magic underpants go to work*** 5. Problem solved. Cool.
[23:14:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Does it need to work? - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:26] <exec> 08└─In China, enraged family members don't sue. They lynch (as in harass, attack, and kill) those responsible. Needless to say, people in positions of responsibility have learned to run away fast whenever shit hits the fan.
[23:14:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Does it need to work? - 06Anti-Cheating Drone Will Hover over Test-Takers in China - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:27] <exec> 08└─Perhaps a fine Chinese tradition that Americans should adopt? ;-) Can one even sue the government officials for obvious wrongdoing and succeed in China?
[23:15:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03dingus [5224] (Score:1) 02Re:Yeah sure … - 06FBI Official: "Build Technological Solutions to Prevent Encryption Above All Else" - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:03] <exec> 08└─With some minor tweaking ECC is safe as well.
[23:16:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Years back - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 700 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:16:39] <exec> 08└─First of all I want to note that I am Christian. Years back we used to occasionally donate to the Red Cross. Years back I eventually talked to someone that volunteered there for a year or two and they told me it was a corrupt organization with little accountability over where the money went. This pe...
[23:16:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Fraud - 06Black Eye for the Red Cross - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:16:40] <exec> 08└─This is why I refuse to give to charity. You actually end up paying for the ceo's Mercedes or bmw, and their pay packet. Fucking scum, right up to the top.
[23:19:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Overblown FUD - 06Have Some Physicists Abandoned the Empirical Method? - 1334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:19:39] <exec> 08└─Just a bunch of FUD, nothing more. The summary makes a reference to epicycles; what's wrong with epicycles? Quick summary for those who don't know about epicycles: ancient astronomers were obsessed with circles, so they tried to explain the motion of the planets using only circles. Of course, that's...
[23:20:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03cafebabe [894] (Score:2) 02Re:Weak Brainprint - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:20:02] <exec> 08└─What if a minimum of eight characters is required? That's a tall order even for someone with multiple personalities.
[23:20:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Identification != Authentication - 06"Brainprints" Could Replace Passwords - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:20:03] <exec> 08└─I've posted it a few times before, but I'll post it again because it's relevant, so simple yet so important and many people who should know this still don't. Identification is not the same thing as authentication! Biometrics is great for identification because it can uniquely identify you. It is hor...
[23:20:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:In the repository - 06Ask Soylent: Where to Get Spyware-Free Apps - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:20:32] <exec> 08└─Oh, no clue. Nothing I've installed had done anything like that. It seems to be rare, at least compared to stuff on the Play store, but that doesn't mean nobody does it.
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