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[22:59:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Android M announced - 06The Tricky Road Ahead for Android Gets Even Trickier - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:59:41] <exec> 08└─soylent preview [soylentnews.org]
[22:59:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Power users ? - 06The Tricky Road Ahead for Android Gets Even Trickier - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:59:42] <exec> 08└─The likelihood of power users going to IOS, is about as probable as F15 pilots going to tricycles. Flame suit zipped up tight. Byt really iPhones are the entry level device.
[22:59:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Air base in S. Korea??? - 06U.S. Military Mistakenly Ships Live Anthrax To Nine States - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:59:50] <exec> 08└─WTF are they doing with anthrax at an air base in South Korea? Is this the new standard in scientific research on dangerous organisms? <sarcasm>Maybe that's where they load the chemtrail tanks on aircraft</sarcasm>
[22:59:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Air base in S. Korea??? - 06U.S. Military Mistakenly Ships Live Anthrax To Nine States - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:52] <exec> 08└─It wasn't weaponized anthrax. Yes it was stupid. No, nobody's lives were in serious danger.
[22:59:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Update! - 06U.S. Military Mistakenly Ships Live Anthrax To Nine States - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:59:53] <exec> 08└─The treatments given as a precaution were accidentally switched with the active anthrax. But this is only in South Korea. More News at 11
[23:00:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Adamsjas [4507] (Score:2) 02ASUS - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:01] <exec> 08└─According to the story, paying 100 dollars more gets you 2 times the memory and 4 times the flash-storage and well over twice the speed. That would stave off obsolescence. Code bloat (to say nothing of expectation bloat) in Android these days makes 4gig ram a wise choice. I guess for me, what would...
[23:00:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:ASUS - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:02] <exec> 08└─It's a nice looking phone but it's a dealbreaker for me that it includes an Intel processor. They've built backdoors into their desktop and server products so one can easily assume they've done the same this time as well. Any self respecting privacy inclined geek can't in good conscience give Intel...
[23:00:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:ASUS - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 22 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:04] <exec> 08└─Identify the backdoors
[23:00:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Quad core x86 battery life - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 369 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:05] <exec> 08└─With clock and core limiting enabled this thing should last about what ... an hour? Jabs aside, since I didn't see a battery life in the article, I will hold to my jab while I put this in the "I'll believe different when I see it" category. I'm kinda prejudiced because I've never been fond of atom...
[23:00:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wierd0n3 [1033] (Score:1) 02Re:Quad core x86 battery life - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 660 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:07] <exec> 08└─on the bottom of the article, there is a drop-down menu and one of the pages is battery 7.3h web/wifi 6.3h web/lte 1.5h charge time no mention of comparing standby times I had two big questions after testing the ZenFone 2's display. The first was "Why does ASUS employ the use of such heavy CABC and...
[23:00:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:Quad core x86 battery life - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:08] <exec> 08└─What! A dropdown box?? *face palm* That was my fail. No wonder the article seemed so short, I was missing 10 pages. Thanks
[23:00:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Quad core x86 battery life - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:10] <exec> 08└─The processor hasn't been the biggest hog on any phone I've ever seen. Its the screen. 4 Cores? Means nothing! 3 of them are essentially shut down 95-99% of the time and the remaining one is rigorously throttled. There is a hell of a lot of "stare time" on phones, where you can't shut down the scree...
[23:00:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Quad core x86 battery life - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 558 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:12] <exec> 08└─You don't have to see a battery life. Just the battery size indicates this will guzzle power. But that said, modern phones are designed to get you through a day (when new). There is no point in developing a phone that gets 6 hours, because you will have no customers. They will size the battery accor...
[23:00:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:2) 02Re:Quad core x86 battery life - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 579 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:13] <exec> 08└─http://anandtech.com/show/9251/the-asus-zenfone-2-review/3 [anandtech.com] 7.3 hours browsing web on Wifi, 6.3 hours on 4G, 3.2 hours running graphics benchmarks. None of those are exceptional, but it's not really that bad. (Anandtech chalks it up more to the display than the CPU as well). They also...
[23:00:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02the great thing about standards is that there are - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:15] <exec> 08└─... so many to choose from. I have a special hatred for the term "standard" when its used in some capacity other than a document that is ratified by a standards organization like ANSI, ISO, IEEE or IETF. For example I asked a knowledgeable friend whether I should use PostgreSQL or MySQL. He gave me...
[23:00:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:the great thing about standards is that there a - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:16] <exec> 08└─That's exactly how I lost all my friends, you insensitive clod!
[23:00:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:the great thing about standards is that there a - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:18] <exec> 08└─You're not standards-compliant!
[23:00:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:the great thing about standards is that there a - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:20] <exec> 08└─Look, if all your friends leapt from the golden gate bridge, would suicide become a standard?
[23:00:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02"many fled their vehicles" - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 281 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:21] <exec> 08└─the crew of the explosives vessel in the Halifax blast, as well as the driver of the gasoline truck in the caldecott tunnel fire, survived. As did all those who fled. In Halifax, over 2,000 perished, in part because a large crowd gathered at the waterfront so as to watch the fire.
[23:00:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Pass - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:23] <exec> 08└─Nice specs but a fast look at the ASUS forums show lots of complaints about overheating and reliability problems and a it looks like it has a locked bootloader. So apparently Intel still isn't quite ready to play in the big leagues when it comes to the small world.
[23:00:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03frz [4910] (Score:0) 02Re:Pass - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:24] <exec> 08└─Locked bootloader on a non-carrier phone. What a sad joke to play. I wouldn't take one as a gift. Posted from ARM-powered bacon
[23:00:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02$200/300 - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:26] <exec> 08└─That's low cost?
[23:00:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:$200/300 - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:28] <exec> 08└─Compared to the fruit phone it is.
[23:00:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:$200/300 - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 11 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:29] <exec> 08└─Blackberry?
[23:00:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:$200/300 - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:31] <exec> 08└─No, the phone for fruits.
[23:00:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03dingus [5224] (Score:1) 02x86 - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:32] <exec> 08└─I just can't understand why they would try to cram an x86 processor on a phone. That's like putting an ARM in a gaming rig, but the opposite.
[23:00:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:x86 - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:34] <exec> 08└─Or like putting a tri-cluster 10-core ARM processor [soylentnews.org] in a phone?
[23:00:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02x86 space heater - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:35] <exec> 08└─How big is the heatsink? How many BTUs of heat does it pump out?
[23:00:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Lowering the Standards for Smart Phones - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 333 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:37] <exec> 08└─i got modded down for saying x86 eats too much power [soylentnews.org] but this is vindication. the battery capacity on this thing a monstrously high is 3000 mAh and yet it has poor battery life [anandtech.com] but the excuse of "because it has higher performance!" doesn't add up because poor perfor...
[23:00:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lowering the Standards for Smart Phones - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:39] <exec> 08└─But it cranks out a good amount of BTUs just like any good x86 chip.
[23:00:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02why does x86 still support MS-DOS? - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 873 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:40] <exec> 08└─I haven't actually tried but I would be unsurprised were my Xeon box to run DOS 2.0 just fine. Yes 16-bit is used for BIOS but now we have UEFI. According to "Pentium Processor Optimization", the pentium ran a lot faster if you treated it as a RISC chip - that is, if you programmed it in much the sa...
[23:00:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:why does x86 still support MS-DOS? - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:42] <exec> 08└─People run lots of legacy software.
[23:00:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02this could be sold into the Linux/BSD market - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:43] <exec> 08└─I didn't think to make that clear - there are lots of people who don't run legacy software. Consider a typical webhost, it's all built from recent source.
[23:00:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:why does x86 still support MS-DOS? - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:45] <exec> 08└─The answer is that those extra features are a lot less wasteful than you think. Sure the instruction decoder has to be a little bigger, but compared to the rest of the chip it's such a tiny savings that it's not worth the effort. Internally, Intel processors convert x86 to processor-specific microco...
[23:00:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02perhaps microcode would not be necessary - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:46] <exec> 08└─if you support fewer instructions it's more tractable to implement them directly in circuitry, rather than in microcode. Were that the case the chip could be a lot faster.
[23:00:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lowering the Standards for Smart Phones - 06Setting the Standard for Low-Cost Smart Phones — New ASUS ZenFone 2 - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:48] <exec> 08└─There is a slight difference between a datacenter and a mobile phone.
[23:00:49] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] 02Planned obsolescence - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 120 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:50] <exec> 08└─My computer is close to 8 years old and works fine. With biodegradable chips, I fear I won't get that sort of life time.
[23:00:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillAdams [1424] (Score:1) 02Re:Planned obsolescence - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:51] <exec> 08└─Yep, my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4121 is coming up on 12 years old, and I despair of replacing it --- just can't find anything which has: - active digitizer / stylus - daylight viewable display - reasonable size / weight and slate form factor so it'll fit in my laptop bag (which is over 25 yea...
[23:00:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Planned obsolescence - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:53] <exec> 08└─Yeah what it means is you'd get more stuff in landfills because they stopped working when some fungus broke something. A lot of these devices don't need much of their semiconductors to fail to end up in a landfill. And once they do there's not really a big difference between current devices and thei...
[23:00:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02"I must pay you now - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:55] <exec> 08└─that I may own your carcass, at the time of your death, of course" WE are Groot!
[23:00:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Mike, could you figure out why my iMac doesn't wor - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:56] <exec> 08└─-k? "It's bit rot, Mom."
[23:00:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Wooden Chips on the Water - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:58] <exec> 08└─Very free and easy.
[23:00:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wooden Chips on the Water - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:59] <exec> 08└─Won't you try some of my purple berries?
[23:01:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Insightful) 02A tad confusing... - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 981 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:01] <exec> 08└─Basically they are saying this allows them to design electrical components that break down over time, or the first time they get wet. They make that sound like a good thing. They cite gallium arsenide content in electronic devices. But gallium arsenide in electronic devices is tightly bound, and pre...
[23:01:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:A tad confusing... - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:03] <exec> 08└─I personally wonder if this means that overclocking will really set your CPU on fire.
[23:01:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:2) 02So is bitrot real, then? - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:04] <exec> 08└─<Insert rotational velocidensity joke here>
[23:01:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02A big win for capitalism. Planned Obsolescence. - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:06] <exec> 08└─This reminds me of what our future is going to entail. When you buy something, unlike the days of old, you can expect your something to be reduced to dust immediately after use. This will force people to buy more and that is great for capitalism. So ya, they will market this as great for the environ...
[23:01:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02I don't have much money, but when I do buy - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:07] <exec> 08└─... something, I save up so I can purchase what I regard as being of the greatest lasting value. I figured that out on my own - that is, no one else taught me to do that. What would happen to the world's economy, were we to teach that trait to our schoolchildren? The cheap disposable plastic shit in...
[23:01:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Megahard [4782] (Score:2) 02Wood computers - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:09] <exec> 08└─Have been available for a long time. Get them cheap here. [amazon.com]
[23:01:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I went in a different direction - 06Wooden Chip: Biodegradable Semiconductors - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:11] <exec> 08└─I was thinking of the guy who wants his i7 to look like an Atwater Kent radio from the 1920s and mods accordingly. [google.com] -- gewg_
[23:01:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03rliegh [205] (Score:1, Interesting) 02The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:12] <exec> 08└─This ruling -which is inevitable now, means the end of open source and the begining of the era when larger companies (Maya, Photoshop) go after their revenue-stealing open source counterparts (Blender, GIMP) and shut them down. The future, my friends, is totally fucked.
[23:01:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 349 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:14] <exec> 08└─The threat posed by Blender and GIMP to commercial competitors is about as dangerous as the threat that Tonka construction equipment poses to Caterpillar. Blender and GIMP are toys compared to the commercial options. They've been no more than toys for many years. Anyone using them wouldn't even be a...
[23:01:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:15] <exec> 08└─I fail to see how blender and gimp are involved here.
[23:01:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:1) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:17] <exec> 08└─Read the comment I replied to.
[23:01:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 709 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:18] <exec> 08└─There has been no ruling. And the "White House" and Obama had nothing to do with it. It was the equally clueless Justice Department, who submitted a brief in response to a Supreme Court invitation to comment. SCOTUS asks for amicus briefs on just about every case, DOJ responds on almost every case....
[23:01:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:1) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:20] <exec> 08└─Java doesn't use header files.
[23:01:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score:2) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:22] <exec> 08└─I bet most implementations of a JVM do though, and I think that's probably what's in question here.
[23:01:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:23] <exec> 08└─If, however, it only spells the end to Java, then I say bring it on. The sooner the better. Maybe Oracle should also sue all websites with embedded java applets too, to help speed up forward progress.
[23:01:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:1) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:25] <exec> 08└─Java's going to be around forever, regardless of what happens in this particular case. There is more Java code out there than you could ever hope to imagine. A lot of it will be in use for many years to come.
[23:01:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:26] <exec> 08└─Hah! They said the same thing about COBOL!! And it didn't have headers either!
[23:01:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 533 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:28] <exec> 08└─There are many languages a lot worse than Java. It sucks that Oracle owns it, but Java and other JVM based languages are pretty good in general in my opinion. If you find Java too strictly typed or verbose, try Groovy. I recently cut the amount of source in one large package by about 50% by switchin...
[23:01:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 509 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:30] <exec> 08└─A broad precedent that APIs have always been copyrightable is the the end of technology in the US. All the languages descended from K&R C and all the OSes derived from Unix (GNU/Linux, Android, OS X, iOS, the BSDs, the commercial unixen, zillions of embedded Linux devices) all become property of Nov...
[23:01:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:31] <exec> 08└─I think it's bad, but I don't think it's that bad. The Regents of UC Berkeley have already placed the entire OS under the BSD license. They are not suddenly going to turn around and clamp down on syscalls.
[23:01:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Adamsjas [4507] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 407 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:33] <exec> 08└─Not all doom and gloom. Most of those organizations will simply declare their API interface files as open source. Not many are as short sighted as Oracle. Trying to lock up your API definitions is like trying to charge admission to walk on the sidewalk leading to your supermarket. With three other m...
[23:01:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:34] <exec> 08└─> Most of those organizations will simply declare their API interface files as open source. Great. And what about abandonware? No business will ever clone an API that they can't get official copyright permission for. When copyright is used to change the default permissions from "allow all" to "deny...
[23:01:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:36] <exec> 08└─What good is the legal system if it's only used for evil, not for good? Why doesn't someone sue red hat over System D? Surely there's a case...
[23:01:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:37] <exec> 08└─Are you talking about how systemd is similar in so many ways to how Windows works?
[23:01:38] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Nerdfest [80] 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 557 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:39] <exec> 08└─You may be interested in reading some of the recently outed text from the recently leaked "Trade In Services Agreement (TISA)" [eff.org]. From the EFF's text: The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates. Although “software used for critical inf...
[23:01:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Archon V2.0 [3887] (Score:2) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:40] <exec> 08└─> Although “software used for critical infrastructure” is already carved out from this prohibition (and so is software that is not “mass market software”, whatever that means), Voting machines aren't part of infrastructure, and can be sold in many markets. Uh-oh.
[23:01:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:The end of Open Source - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:42] <exec> 08└─I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
[23:01:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Corynne McSherry & Eben Moglen - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:44] <exec> 08└─Where are the quotes from them? I bet they, as representatives of EFF and FSF, have got deep insights into this matter. (Ones resonating within the the bubble I hang around with.)
[23:01:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Corynne McSherry & Eben Moglen - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:45] <exec> 08└─How is what they think relevant? Nobody with any real involvement or power in these kinds of cases actually listens to them.
[23:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Corynne McSherry & Eben Moglen - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:47] <exec> 08└─I think you just answered your own question.
[23:01:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:4, Informative) 02The courts don't decide what is right - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:48] <exec> 08└─they decide what is legal. It doesn't work to say "The courts can't make such a decision, because that would be really stupid". Maybe so, but courts decide stupid things because that is their understanding of what is legal. It's up to congress to decide what is right. Good luck with that.
[23:01:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:The courts don't decide what is right - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:50] <exec> 08└─So what is "right" in this situation? Ignore the players involved, too, and just focus on the issue. If software shouldn't be protected by copyright, then what leg does the FSF have to stand on with the GPL and its related licenses? Without copyright, the GPL is weak, if not completely useless. Do y...
[23:01:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillAdams [1424] (Score:1) 02Re:The courts don't decide what is right - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:51] <exec> 08└─I'd thought this was about only header files, not actual code. Would someone who RTFA clarify?
[23:01:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Java doesn't use header files - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:53] <exec> 08└─Filter error: Comment too short
[23:01:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02This is the problem with money in politics - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:55] <exec> 08└─Larry Ellison has a lot of cash to spread around. He'll donate to some congresscritters, get some facetime, move some legislation that will result in Linux being made illegal - this despite that the US government is one of Linux's largest single users.
[23:01:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score:2) 02About your sig... - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:56] <exec> 08└─Why call an additional application to append your hosts file? Why not use the redirection features of your shell? sudo echo 127.0.0.1 www.google-analytics.com >> /etc/hosts Sorry for the off topic post, but there is not a good mechanism to ask these sort of questions except off topic in a story disc...
[23:01:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:About your sig... - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 418 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:58] <exec> 08└─> Why call an additional application to append your hosts file? Why not use the redirection features of your shell? You are like the tenth person to ask him that. I wish he would just take it out of his sig already, its so pointless. The answer is, sudo does not do redirection. If it did, it would d...
[23:01:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Why I don't agree that it's pointless - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 421 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:59] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't know either way about the redirection, I just use "sudo vi /etc/hosts". My point is that we should block ALL analytics servers; Google Analytics is just one specific example among many. Rather than kvetching about my shell usage, I would expect the gentle reader to clue in to that they sh...
[23:02:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why I don't agree that it's pointless - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 471 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:01] <exec> 08└─> I wouldn't know either way about the redirection, I just use "sudo vi /etc/hosts". Look, I know you are insane and all, but come on. You specifically changed the sig to not use redirection when someone else explained to you it doesn't work. If I really gave a damn I would go hunt down the exact th...
[23:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02strictly speaking you are correct - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:03] <exec> 08└─I was concerned that following the advice in my sig might break networking entirely.
[23:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03tynin [2013] (Score:2) 02Re:About your sig... - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:04] <exec> 08└─I believe that the shell handles any redirection before sudo runs. If the redirection fails because of permissions, the whole command fails. It is just trying to protect you from maliciousness. The correct answer is to man up and run as root and echo anything you want anywhere. If you want to stomp...
[23:02:05] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Zinho [759] 02Re:The courts don't decide what is right - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 169 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:06] <exec> 08└─So what is "right" in this situation? If software shouldn't be protected by copyright, then what leg does the FSF have to stand on with the GPL and its related licenses?
[23:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:3, Touché) 02what about parameter names? - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 542 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:07] <exec> 08└─It is commonly asserted by the misinformed that one cannot copyright header files. I assert that is not the case. void strcpy( char *dst, char *src ); // Copy the nul-terminated sequence of chars from src buffer to dst It's plainly apparent that the above is an expressive work which is worthy of cop...
[23:02:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Refugee from beyond [2699] (Score:1) 02Repeating message from the past - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:09] <exec> 08└─GPL is a weapon. Why do you think it exists?
[23:02:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03pTamok [3042] (Score:3, Informative) 02We need Groklaw. - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:10] <exec> 08└─In Pamela Jones' absence, Wikipedia has a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] It's about whether APIs are copyrightable or not. If they are, it bodes trouble for the software industry.
[23:02:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Informative) 02New Whitehouse Deputy CTO - 06White House Backs Oracle Over Google in Java Supreme Court Case - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:12] <exec> 08└─Last year Ed Felten signed an amicus brief [eff.org] for the same case, arguing the opposite position. Two weeks ago he was appointed Deputy US CTO [whitehouse.gov] by the White House. Power doesn't only corrupt, it co-opts.
[23:02:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:4, Insightful) 02They really need to be sued. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 316 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:14] <exec> 08└─Not for any copyright violation stuff, open source will make that a hard ship to sail. But for presenting and distributing misleading products. Claiming to distribute a trademarked product and distributing something different is pretty clearly trademark infringement. Right? Sourceforge is a horse wi...
[23:02:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03J.J. Dane [402] (Score:1) 02Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:15] <exec> 08└─Gotta love those guys..
[23:02:16] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 312 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:17] <exec> 08└─Yes, this shit started "optional" shortly after Dice bought them. Then every decent project fled sourceforge. Now they've recognized their imminent death and are trying to squeeze a few extra dimes out of everyone elses' good name. Which is why they need to lose a colossal amount of money and just p...
[23:02:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03JeanCroix [573] (Score:2) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:18] <exec> 08└─..just hoping they don't go full SCO in the process. Never go full SCO.
[23:02:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:20] <exec> 08└─Does your mommy know that you type bad words on the internet? Another S-word from you, and someone will wash your keyboard with soap!
[23:02:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:21] <exec> 08└─and someone will wash your keyboard with soap!
[23:02:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:4, Touché) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:23] <exec> 08└─She's jealous that you spend all day petting that instead of her.
[23:02:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:25] <exec> 08└─So I get a free keyboard cleaning by just writing "SCO" here? Or do I have to add "SystemD"? If needed, I also can add "Slashdot." Wait, my keyboard still is dirty! "SAP"? "Sony"? What's missing?
[23:02:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:26] <exec> 08└─The missing component is Microsoft. You can abbreviate it by typing, "M$."
[23:02:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:28] <exec> 08└─Have you seen how often he eats Dortios at the keyboard? It probably needs to be washed with soap!
[23:02:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:29] <exec> 08└─Tom Cruise, Santa Cruz, what's in a name?
[23:02:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Is SF still owned by Dice? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:31] <exec> 08└─..just hoping they don't go full SCO in the process. Never go full SCO.
[23:02:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Katastic [3340] (Score:2) 02Re:They really need to be sued. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:33] <exec> 08└─There's plenty of room for GPL and open-source related lawsuits. They've been held up time and time again in courts. The real issue is whether a damaged party ever has the money to bring a lawsuit--and most FOSS projects have operating incomes of $0.
[23:02:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:They really need to be sued. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:34] <exec> 08└─The real issue is whether a damaged party ever has the money to bring a lawsuit--and most FOSS projects have operating incomes of $0.
[23:02:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lunix Nutcase [3913] (Score:2) 02Re:They really need to be sued. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:36] <exec> 08└─Not for any copyright violation stuff, open source will make that a hard ship to sail.
[23:02:37] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03quacking duck [1395] 02Sad - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 154 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:38] <exec> 08└─Sourceforge used to be a site I trusted to download software. Sad to see it's gone the way of Cnet and many (most?) other major software aggregator sites.
[23:02:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sad - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:40] <exec> 08└─I miss Freshmeat. I miss SourceForge. It fun just browsing through the categories to see what you could find.
[23:02:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:Sad - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 811 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:41] <exec> 08└─Before they were owned by Dice I had several programs that I'd authored and just figured I would give them away as they might be useful to some and I had no interest in monetizing them or developing them further (they were complete, why add stuff?) so I put them on SourceForge and left them. I monit...
[23:02:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:Sad - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:43] <exec> 08└─How do you feel about them delivering malware and ads with your name stamped on it?
[23:02:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:3, Interesting) 02SourceFraud - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:44] <exec> 08└─Meme it with me. How fall the mighty. Remember when this was a successful offshoot of Larry Augustin's VA Research? The first Y2K commercial boom of Linux and "open source". Slashdot went into that... From hobby to venture.
[23:02:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:SourceFraud - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:46] <exec> 08└─I like the possible SourceFraud google-bomb, alas I can't be bothered to have an online presence with which to propagate it any more. I guess I could stick it in my usenet .sig, but that's not exactly gonna be high profile. (In particular given that google seems to censor my posts, probably because...
[23:02:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03ghost [4467] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:SourceFraud - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:47] <exec> 08└─SF has a weird history... it was originally open source. Then they pivoted -- gave up on the hardware business, close-sourced SF, and renamed the company to SourceForge and tried to sell an enterprise version. (http://savannah.gnu.org/ was a fork... ) I guess that didn't work out because they pivote...
[23:02:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative) 02Editor ahoooooy! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:49] <exec> 08└─Somebody forgot or mangled the closing tag in the Editor's comment at the bottom, as result, all articles and comments below are in the smaller font! :)
[23:02:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02cool! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:51] <exec> 08└─This story did something cool to my fonts. Everything after the end of this story is about 2pts smaller in font size.
[23:02:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:cool! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:52] <exec> 08└─> This story did something cool to my fonts. Everything after the end of this story is about 2pts smaller in font size. Me too. Thought my eyes were screwed up. Firefox 38.0 on ubuntu
[23:02:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:cool! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:54] <exec> 08└─Fixed - apologies.
[23:02:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:cool! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:55] <exec> 08└─What was the issue if I may ask? I always like bug review for some reason.
[23:02:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:cool! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:57] <exec> 08└─The recently added footer for all summaries is still input manually. It was a simple typo; unfortunately, it doesn't affect any of the editing pages that we use but does mangle the front page once the story is released.
[23:02:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:cool! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:58] <exec> 08└─Well, at least your signature is honest and accurate. ;)
[23:02:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:cool! - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 503 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:00] <exec> 08└─I think this new system is bad. Just edit the post minimalistic and move on. Or no editing at all. I want to see the persons submission not the editors rewrite or interpretation of it. I feel like I need to look at both versions to see if I missed something. Editors job; Fix: links, typos, grammar(m...
[23:03:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02You can do that now - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:02] <exec> 08└─So what is stopping you from reading the original submission now? You can even fix: links, typos, grammar (maybe), and find your own incorrect information. Because what is incorrect to you may not be to someone else. Just skip past the summary, because you don't want to read that, and click on the l...
[23:03:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02What happen? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:03] <exec> 08└─Dice Dice Baby!
[23:03:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:What happen? - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:05] <exec> 08└─Dice: All your code base are belong to us.
[23:03:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrNemesis [1582] (Score:3, Informative) 02Oddly enough... - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 1682 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:06] <exec> 08└─...this story, despite being submitted to TOGS (in related news, anyone checked out their firehose recently? It seems to have turned into Craiglist), hasn't made their front page yet. I assume the editors are too busy fucking up their CSS and putting in polls about Max Max in as stories. GIMP aren't...
[23:03:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oddly enough... - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:08] <exec> 08└─GIMP aren't exactly doing a great job of publicising their windows build however.
[23:03:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrNemesis [1582] (Score:2) 02Re:Oddly enough... - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 247 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:09] <exec> 08└─Aha - I think this is where RequestPolicy kicked in. Apparently the version detection doesn't kick in unless you allow requests to ajax.googleapis.com; once that's enabled the HTML for the windows version is loaded, if not it completely invisible.
[23:03:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:11] <exec> 08└─What are the alternatives to SourceForge? Fuck you Dice for shitting on everything that is good.
[23:03:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03BananaPhone [2488] (Score:1) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:13] <exec> 08└─wasn't /. bought by Dice, too?
[23:03:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:14] <exec> 08└─So you say it's time for SoylentSource?
[23:03:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:16] <exec> 08└─was thinking the same thing, although they have more than enough work to do here.
[23:03:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 452 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:17] <exec> 08└─We actually had this. I was against using github back at go live so the initial development of our branch of slashcode was on a copy of GForge which is a fork of the original VA Linux Sourcefrge.net. our github mirror became more popular than the gforge instance so I retired it a month after golive....
[23:03:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03magamo [3037] (Score:1) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:19] <exec> 08└─How about doing projects reporting/news site, ala freshmeat.net/freecode, since that is now defunct, and nothing quite like it, or as good as it has yet to appear. That may be a worthwhile thing.
[23:03:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:20] <exec> 08└─We could do this once we deploy rehash and have proper nexus support if volunteers are willing to make submissions.
[23:03:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03bryan [29] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:22] <exec> 08└─A few alternatives [ibiblio.org] popped up after the FreeCode demise. https://freshcode.club [freshcode.club] seems to be one of the more popular upstarts.
[23:03:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:24] <exec> 08└─What is wrong with Github?
[23:03:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:25] <exec> 08└─I'm not the biggest fan of third party hosting services; I've been screwed over before. GitHub however makes a lot of got tasks stupidly easy and is more user friendly than GForge or just a git repo hosted on one of our servers
[23:03:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03bryan [29] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:27] <exec> 08└─An alternative to relying on GitHub's service is to install GitLab Community Edition [gitlab.com] on your own server. The software is very similar to what GitHub is offering. Gitorious [wikipedia.org] (previously hosting a few large repositories such as QT) merged with GitLab [gitlab.com] a few mont...
[23:03:27] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Nerdfest [80] 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 18 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:28] <exec> 08└─GitHub, BitBucket.
[23:03:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:30] <exec> 08└─I second github. It doesn't have all the features that SF had but it is plenty good enough.
[23:03:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03ghost [4467] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 320 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:31] <exec> 08└─Github, unless you can't use git for some reason. Open up a project on github, what do you see? The source code. Right there. Everywhere else it's 1-10 clicks away. (And SF was probably the worst at actually viewing the code). They also have binary downloads (associated with a specific git tag -- pr...
[23:03:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03TestablePredictions [3249] (Score:1) 02Re:Seriously, this is big news. - 06SourceForge Using Mirrored Projects and Including Adware - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:33] <exec> 08└─What are the alternatives to SourceForge?
[23:03:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Informative) 02125° Fahrenheit - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:35] <exec> 08└─is about 52 °C.
[23:03:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:125° Fahrenheit - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:36] <exec> 08└─Such information should be in the summary.
[23:03:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:125° Fahrenheit - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:38] <exec> 08└─Now it will get a long thread. Soylent get your shit together, we are an internatinal crowd. What is the international unit for temperature?
[23:03:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:125° Fahrenheit - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:39] <exec> 08└─What is the international unit for temperature?
[23:03:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:125° Fahrenheit - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:41] <exec> 08└─From TFS "47.6°C [117.7°F]" - so 125°F will be a bit hotter than that. Of course, it would help the editors if our international submitters could do this in their submissions in future.
[23:03:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:125° Fahrenheit - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:43] <exec> 08└─I demand temperatures to be given in Gas Mark [wikipedia.org] for good measure. Of course, we will need to agree upon a method for extending the scale to describe low temperatures.
[23:03:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03curunir_wolf [4772] (Score:2) 02Re:125° Fahrenheit - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:44] <exec> 08└─Did you miss that they were talking about Texas? I'm pretty sure metric scales are outlawed in Texas.
[23:03:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Informative) 02Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:46] <exec> 08└─It's not too difficult to live at that temperature but you have to drink like 15 liters of water a day. You will pretty much never stop drinking. Even then your urine will be so dark yellow that it is practically brown.
[23:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 262 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:47] <exec> 08└─I appreciate your considered opinion, as an educated medical professional. That's what you are, right? Because otherwise I'd say you're talking out your ass about a heatwave that left over a thousand dead who certainly didn't find it "not too difficult to live".
[23:03:48] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03tibman [134] 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 379 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:49] <exec> 08└─Not a medical professional, just a quasi-medic. I have stuck IVs into over 20 people who have either fallen unconscious or became delirious from dehydration. If you don't drink then you will die. Staying hydrated is not difficult but some people will always fail to do it. I am not speaking ill of th...
[23:03:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:50] <exec> 08└─Question: why would your urine be dark yellow? My blood doesn't need more cleaning when I drink more because of heat. As I overdrink, I usually produce clear urine.
[23:03:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 299 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:52] <exec> 08└─Because your body is prioritizing sending the water to your sweat glands over sending it to your kidneys, since the heat will kill you faster than a toxic bloodstream. Or another way to put it is that you lose so much of the water you're drinking to sweat that you never manage to get very hydrated.
[23:03:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:54] <exec> 08└─jcross is spot on. Even after 15 liters of water you can't pee enough to fill a coffee cup : ) You sweat so much that your clothes become encrusted like some sort of smelly exoskeleton. I highly recommend the experience!
[23:03:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 1109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:55] <exec> 08└─I spent a couple of months in Morocco and, while outside, I would sweat so much that not only did what you describe happen but I would find that there was a layer of salt on the inside brim of my hat and on my socks. It was new to me but it turns out that others experienced this on a regular basis....
[23:03:56] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03mrchew1982 [3565] 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 1184 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:57] <exec> 08└─When you drink that much water you also have to be careful about hyponatremia, a.k.a. not enough salt in your system. Most western diets have an overabundance of salt, not so sure about Indian diets. I first learned about this when my dad worked in a mine in southern Utah. They had areas that were a...
[23:03:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:58] <exec> 08└─Ingredients: - 3/8 tsp salt (sodium chloride) - ¼ tsp Morton® Salt Substitute® (potassium chloride) - ½ tsp baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) - 2 tbsp + 2 tsp sugar (sucrose) - Add tap water to make one (1) liter
[23:03:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 187 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:00] <exec> 08└─The CDC (NIOSH) agrees with tibman. Heat Stress [cdc.gov] Drink water frequently. Drink enough water that you never become thirsty. Approximately 1 cup every 15-20 minutes.
[23:04:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:01] <exec> 08└─If you don't drink then you will die.
[23:04:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 996 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:03] <exec> 08└─More accurately, salt is needed in addition to water. If you lick your arm and it tastes good, you need salt. (And you can get enough to scrape by from licking it off your skin.) Those flavor packets that come with ramen work great for the purpose, and slip handily into a pocket. As to the notion th...
[23:04:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:05] <exec> 08└─More accurately, salt is needed in addition to water.
[23:04:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 2039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:06] <exec> 08└─The fact that we need more than just sodium salt is probably why ramen flavor packets work so well... my guess is they contain a lot of potassium, that being the critical element when someone is to the nauseated stage; consuming a ramen flavor packet and some water effects a cure in about 10 minutes...
[23:04:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 460 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:08] <exec> 08└─I can speak as someone who was deployed to Iraq. Yes, you certainly can live in 115 degree heat, you just drink a lot of water. People routinely live in places like that. Hell, the vehicle I drove would get to 140 inside of it on some days. You don't need to be a medical professional to know that dr...
[23:04:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:09] <exec> 08└─A thousand in a country of well over billion individuals is a rounding error.
[23:04:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:11] <exec> 08└─Approximately 1% of the deaths in a given week being directly attributable to a sepcific cause isn't a "rounding error".
[23:04:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:12] <exec> 08└─Funny how you ignored everyone that proved your hostile ignorant snark wrong while openly challenging someone else on a technical issue that is not related.
[23:04:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 294 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:14] <exec> 08└─And you have an extremely disturbed notion of "proof" if you think that a young, fit military deployment into an arid desert with an air conditioned base is "proof I'm wrong". This shit kills people. It objectively was listed as a cause of death for thousands of people in the last week. Jesus.
[23:04:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 6 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:15] <exec> 08└─WRONG!
[23:04:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:17] <exec> 08└─You, sir or madame, are a pompous horse's arse.
[23:04:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:19] <exec> 08└─It's not too difficult to live at that temperature but you have to drink like 15 liters of water a day.
[23:04:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:20] <exec> 08└─It does also depend heavily on the humidity. Not sure what the humidity looks like in this part of India, but if it's high enough, then no amount of water is going to save you because your sweat won't evaporate fast enough to cool you.
[23:04:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Live at that temperature - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:22] <exec> 08└─That's a really good point. What a bad way to go
[23:04:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score:3, Informative) 02Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:23] <exec> 08└─... as torrid temperatures melted roads in the national capital ... [ephasis added]
[23:04:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 405 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:25] <exec> 08└─yeah, I saw that picture too. Not sure if it's a trick photo of course. In a related article, No respite from blistering heat wave till May 29; 500 dead and 'red box' warning issued for 3 states [hindustantimes.com] it said: India hasn’t witnessed such intense heat conditions in a decade but this...
[23:04:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:26] <exec> 08└─Not sure how, but your link ended up linking back to the story via an odd URL. Let's see if this works any better: http://www.hindustantimes.com [hindustantimes.com]
[23:04:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:28] <exec> 08└─According to this page, [inchem.org] asphalt has a melting point of 54-173°C. Given that asphalt is dark and therefore can easily get way above the ambient temperature when in direct sunlight, and given that the reported ambient temperature is already close to the lower bound of the melting range,...
[23:04:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Re:Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:30] <exec> 08└─The quote is excerpted from one of Mark Twain's published works(1897) titled: "Following the Equator", and is only one of many remarks about the unpleasant heat of summer in India. It is an interesting read, and chock-full of the usual cutting wit and satire he was [in]famous for. I would be surpris...
[23:04:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:31] <exec> 08└─For some reason your link came up goofy for me, so... http://www.hindustantimes.com [hindustantimes.com] Now, I lived in the SoCal desert for 28 years, and I never saw any of our local pavement do that. Not the paint, not the asphalt, not even when it was 122F. Make...
[23:04:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:33] <exec> 08└─I've lived in SoCal for a while also, some parking lots here do get hot enough to melt to the point that you can leave footprints in them. The roads don't though.
[23:04:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Bus stops in SoCal; humidity - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:34] <exec> 08└─I'm in my my 34th year in SoCal. Next time you pass by a bus stop in SoCal, take a close look. There is a concrete pad poured there so that on hot days the big heavy vehicle doesn't sink up to its axles in softened asphalt while it waits for a bit. One day in 2010, John Wayne Airport (a heat island...
[23:04:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wierd0n3 [1033] (Score:1) 02Re:Melted roads - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 349 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:36] <exec> 08└─http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23315384 [bbc.com] because the blacktop is, well, black, it absorbs heat, and can be quite a few degrees above ambient. one of the reasons that chicago and other major cities are campaigning for light colored roofs. http://www.energy-seal.com
[23:04:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02New trend with scorched patches on the planet? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:37] <exec> 08└─2003 French heat wave - 15 000 dead 2010 Russia - crippled harvest and fires 2011 Syria - failed harvest? and uprising 2015 India - 1 100 dead Is this perhaps a new trend? Where part of the planet will be scorched and thus inhabitable? Any good statistics?
[23:04:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:New trend with scorched patches on the planet? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:39] <exec> 08└─It must be the Illuminati doing it. All that illumnation is giving off too much heat.
[23:04:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:New trend with scorched patches on the planet? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:41] <exec> 08└─That must be it. It is most definitely not because the world is getting hotter overall. Its all just a global conspiracy from the left-wing media, which everyone knows is run by the Jews in their academic Ivory Towers, trying to scare everyone into a panic so they can institute their one-world gover...
[23:04:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:1) 02Re:New trend with scorched patches on the planet? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:42] <exec> 08└─Deadly heat waves are nothing new. They happened thousands of years ago, before the Industrial Revolution. They're mentioned in many ancient texts, including the Old Testament (like in the books of Deuteronomy and Kings).
[23:04:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:New trend with scorched patches on the planet? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 1349 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:44] <exec> 08└─Keep digging backwards you will find more of the same (I know of stories from the 70s 60s 50s 40s 30s...). What you are seeing is 2 things. People moving into more barren areas (due to overpopulation in the old areas). Then wondering what happened to all the water during a drought cycle. The second...
[23:04:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02solar sun shade? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:45] <exec> 08└─Deg. Celsius all good and all but ... anyone have the GigaWatthours not used but used-to-grill-people figures?
[23:04:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:47] <exec> 08└─maybe someone can "enlighten" me: consider for a moment a point on the planets surface that receives "one unit of heat" (from the sun). modern air-conditioners have a so-called cOP of ~4 and it says that for "one unit of heat" input it can move "4 units of heat". now what happens if we place a solar...
[23:04:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:mr. freeze? i don't think so - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:48] <exec> 08└─If planet earth is your cool reservoir, what is your hot reservoir? What is the COP for such a machine? ;)
[23:04:49] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Entropy [4228] 02Re:mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 990 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:50] <exec> 08└─Air conditioners, or heat pumps simply move heat from one area to another. Typically this is from "inside" the house, to "outside" the house. They also generate some heat on their own, we can call this "waste heat". Lets assume energy is "free" for a moment, which is kind of what you were going for...
[23:04:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:52] <exec> 08└─So on the basis of a wide area, you would actually heat it up slightly, as "burning" that energy(free or not) produces some waste heat, as well as moving heat from "inside" to "outside".
[23:04:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 1380 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:53] <exec> 08└─Heat can do work, and we have had the means to move it around to where it can do so for some time. Why not, instead of radiating that waste heat back into the air, use it to heat the water in your hot water heater [google.com] or use it to run a small turbine [epa.gov] (or run a stirling engine)? So...
[23:04:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 2752 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:55] <exec> 08└─When I drew my house plans (the existing house was not efficient nor what I wanted) I made sure to keep passive solar and other passive efficiency methods in mind. I ended up with a salt-box envelope that has trees to the SSE and an overhang that blocks the peak Sun during the summer months. In the...
[23:04:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:56] <exec> 08└─> I find it a fun challenge to try to get to zero waste, myself I hope you are documenting the shit out of your efforts and making them public in some long-term way - like a blog that is backed by archive.org. One man doing stuff in isolation makes no difference, might as well just continue to live...
[23:04:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:58] <exec> 08└─Where would you want to move all the heat to?
[23:04:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:mr. freeze? - 06Roads Melting in India; Over 1100 Dead in Heat Wave - 377 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:59] <exec> 08└─Outside? Insulation is your friend - it keeps out heat and cold. If you push the heat outside and have an R Value of, say, 20 then very little will return even though your immediate area around the exhaust would be warmer than the surrounding area. That is my guess, of course, but I see no reason wh...
[23:05:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Fortunatelly - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:01] <exec> 08└─I guess we were lucky that, unlike coal power stations, DuPont have had other patents [wikipedia.org] and products to push on the market.
[23:05:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:Fortunatelly - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 1480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:03] <exec> 08└─A very valid point and one I would have overlooked without you posting it. Thank you. My only problem with this is the conclusion that the hole would have been larger at that specific size. It may have eroded further or less. My guess is that it would have been less as there was a massive awareness...
[23:05:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 1305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:04] <exec> 08└─I'm beginning to wonder if Soylent editors have any real science background at all. This article was plastered all over the internet the past two days and yet if you read it you find that it has the most ridiculous premise of ANY 'climate study' that has ever been conducted. The authors purport to c...
[23:05:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:06] <exec> 08└─Maybe the scientists who got published in Nature have it right and you don't. Would you like to deplete the ozone layer to test the hypothesis?
[23:05:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:07] <exec> 08└─The authors purport to claim that they could [show] how the ozone layer WOULD have continued to deplete if CFCs hadn't been banned.
[23:05:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:09] <exec> 08└─But hey, if you think you know better than Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry Martyn Chipperfield, why don't you call him up and tell him how stupid he is?
[23:05:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:11] <exec> 08└─Oh boy, is it time to play "Spot the bullshit" again? Ohboyohboyohboy *excitedly jumps in place like a little girl* I'm beginning to wonder if Soylent editors have any real science background at all.
[23:05:11] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 716 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:12] <exec> 08└─Oh my god. The chemistry of CFCs isn't that complicated. Highly electronegative atomic chlorine that it produces yanks the unstable extra oxygens out of O3 and with a lot of regularity. This is a bit like saying "These stupid 'engineers' claim they could know a car would accelerate if I pushed the g...
[23:05:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:14] <exec> 08└─The chemistry of CFCs isn't that complicated. Highly electronegative atomic chlorine that it produces yanks the unstable extra oxygens out of O3 and with a lot of regularity.
[23:05:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03LionKimbro [5258] (Score:1) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:15] <exec> 08└─You can learn about how it works here: http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu [ucdavis.edu] Here's a nice and detailed pictorial representation: http://www.theozonehole.com [theozonehole.com] Wikipedia also h...
[23:05:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:17] <exec> 08└─This is a bit like saying "These stupid 'engineers' claim they could know a car would accelerate if I pushed the gas pedal, that's just conjecture. The fact that we saw the car go last week last time we pushed the gas pedal doesn't mean anything about the future and all these 'theories' about how th...
[23:05:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03frz [4910] (Score:0) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 645 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:18] <exec> 08└─I'd love to know how those huge, heavier-than-air CFC molecules make it up into the ozone layer without being crowded out by the lighter, less dense gases. I found this and it alludes [scientificamerican.com] to a theoretical link but doesn't give evidence that CFCs have been detected in the strato...
[23:05:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not even close to scientific - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:20] <exec> 08└─Here [nasa.gov] are a few [ornl.gov] links [mit.edu]. This [nature.com], and the references cited within. It shouldn't be too surprising. The stratosphere is loaded with aerosols and dust that continually churn between the troposphere and stratosphere, and these particles are much much bigger than t...
[23:05:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Humans can't affect the world! - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:21] <exec> 08└─Ozone layer depletion? Pft, what a load of nonsense! Everyone knows that there's no possible way human activity could have any kind of global effect. People who believe in this "ozone-depletion" nonsense are probably the same idiots who also buy into "global warming"! Repeat after me: Human activity...
[23:05:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Back in the early 90s... - 06World Already Reaping Benefits From Ozone Treaty - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:23] <exec> 08└─...my grandmother used to tell us that the best way to start off a summer was to get a really bad sunburn. Every fucking year. My father would get screaming mad about it, but my grandmother, who knew better, would always do it. These days, she always uses the defense "But we didn't know!" At the tim...
[23:05:24] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03looorg [578] 02Carmageddon - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 142 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:25] <exec> 08└─"pedestrian detection functionality" sounds more like a/the Carmageddon feature. The car can track other cars but tracking humans is an extra.
[23:05:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Breaking: Offending System D Code Identified - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:26] <exec> 08└─[Unit] Description=PedestrianDetect After=parking.service Requires=parking.service [Service] TimeoutStartSec=0 ExecStartPre=-/usr/bin/parking kill parking1 ExecStartPre=-/usr/bin/parking rm parking1 ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/parking pull parking ExecStart=/usr/bin/parking run --name parking1 pedestrian...
[23:05:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Breaking: Offending System D Code Identified - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:28] <exec> 08└─-1: Flamebait? Clearly the bootlicking sycophant asstroturfers from the military-industrial-ubuntu-redhat complex have arrived at soylent, and are downmodding.
[23:05:28] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02This is the same bad article from slashdot. - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 359 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:29] <exec> 08└─1 - The driver was not using auto park, no auto park drives that fast. 2 - Volvo auto park does not accelerate by itself, you have to hit the accelerator. 3 - He just drove into some people, made stupid excuses, and it was blindly re-posted here. 4 - Pedestrian avoidance is for driving under 30 km/h...
[23:05:30] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Vanderhoth [61] 02Re:This is the same bad article from slashdot. - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 141 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:31] <exec> 08└─Running over journalists... I thought it was a feature. I don't trust the article either, but where did you get your information refuting it?
[23:05:32] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Vanderhoth [61] 02Re:This is the same bad article from slashdot. - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 466 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:32] <exec> 08└─After watching the video, to me it looks like the driver was trying to show off the "auto braking" feature that stops the car from running into a wall or other cars. It looks like it had nothing to do with self-parking. That's likely fear mongering some people are pushing agendas with. It was likely...
[23:05:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:This is the same bad article from slashdot. - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:34] <exec> 08└─Although I can't be 100%, I'm pretty sure this was driver error.
[23:05:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is the same bad article from slashdot. - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:36] <exec> 08└─There is no evidence of anything except that the vehicle was accelerating and did hit some journalists. Anything else shows blatant bias with ignorant speculation.
[23:05:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:This is the same bad article from slashdot. - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:37] <exec> 08└─He just drove into some people, made stupid excuses, and it was blindly re-posted here.
[23:05:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:4, Funny) 02It's just optional! ;-) - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:39] <exec> 08└─Hey my car won't stop! ..That's because you didn't buy our exclusive extra deal on break pedals. Just pay $5000 for a brake system and you'll be fine.
[23:05:40] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] 02The DRIVER did this, not the car - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 165 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:41] <exec> 08└─The car did nothing. The driver floored it, because he was expecting the pedestrian detection to kick in and take over, which it did not - since it wasn't installed.
[23:05:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The DRIVER did this, not the car - 06Self-parking Volvo Ploughs Into Journalists - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:42] <exec> 08└─To its credit, the car did actually stop rather than flatten them into the road like a meat pancake.
[23:05:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Lib dems - 06UK "Snoopers' Charter" to Rise from the Dead Once More - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:44] <exec> 08└─I blame the lib dems. If they hadn't been in power the the torts would have lasted this year ago! Thank god we got rid of the lib dems and elected a majority Tory government, although one that is a slave to the back benchers.
[23:05:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Lib dems - 06UK "Snoopers' Charter" to Rise from the Dead Once More - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:45] <exec> 08└─I blame the lib dems. If they hadn't been in power the the torts would have lasted this year ago! Having decyphered your typos, I think I can add to that. Yes, it's all the Lib Dems' fault for forming a pact with the Devil for five years in order to provide a stable government. As they compromised...
[23:05:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Lib dems - 06UK "Snoopers' Charter" to Rise from the Dead Once More - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:47] <exec> 08└─When the coalition was formed, the Lib Dems had 57 seats and the Conservatives had 307. Given that the Lib Dems effectively made up just 18.5% of the Government, why would anyone expect them to be able to live up to every detail of their manifesto like they won an overall majority? Oh yeah, that's r...
[23:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Lib dems - 06UK "Snoopers' Charter" to Rise from the Dead Once More - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:48] <exec> 08└─Where will you go?
[23:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:4, Insightful) 02No surprise there then - 06UK "Snoopers' Charter" to Rise from the Dead Once More - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:50] <exec> 08└─It's as if someone saw this coming... [soylentnews.org]
[23:05:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Consequences - 06UK "Snoopers' Charter" to Rise from the Dead Once More - 393 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:52] <exec> 08└─The US and Britain initially rushed this sort of policy through after 911 as an "emergency" measure. Now they're doing it long after the dust from that has settled, claiming it's a "normal" thing they need. Total surveillance has failed over and over to prevent terrorism and mass killings, so we all...
[23:05:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Shimitar [4208] (Score:3, Interesting) 02No, skype no... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:53] <exec> 08└─Oh, please, no! Skype is a hog and a piece of s**t on Android! It's a class-B citizen at best in the Skype world (no chat delete, keep popping up the same alerts even after i read it from PC, will steal the "incoming call" if i want to answer from PC...) AND requires you to disable auto-start at boo...
[23:05:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No, skype no... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:55] <exec> 08└─Skype is a hog and a piece of shit on every platform.
[23:05:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No, skype no... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:56] <exec> 08└─I haven't been able to get skype to start on boot since microsoft bought skype. Also it does not know when it's online and when not, and it's butt ugly.
[23:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03archshade [3664] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:No, skype no... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 1035 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:58] <exec> 08└─Skype is awful, it always has been (but it has got worse since MS bought it). That said it is my my main IM and VoIP service (across Android and Linux). This is because just about everyone has a Skype account and it works (to some extent or the other on Just about every platform (Does it work on *BS...
[23:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:No, skype no... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:00] <exec> 08└─That said it is my my main IM and VoIP service
[23:06:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03shrewdsheep [5215] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:No, skype no... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 262 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:01] <exec> 08└─While I do not think Skype is the best app in the world, I do not share your complaints. I only enable WLAN if I need it and start skype manually also (it does not autostart on my tablet (4.0)). For me, Skype is still the best way to communicate while traveling.
[23:06:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:No, skype no... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:03] <exec> 08└─Haven't really used Skype before MS bought it but it's not that great right now. Conversation history requires outlook integration! My chat client can't tell me what we talked about yesterday without contacting an email(exchange) server. I'm using Skype for business, so it may be different than the...
[23:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Micro$erF Orafice? - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:04] <exec> 08└─If they can port it to Android, they could port it to Linux. The only reason they do not, is to kill off competing operating systems, unless and until those operating systems become too big to ignore? I do not understand why so many do not understand why we hate Micro$oft with a white hot hate that...
[23:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Noble713 [4895] (Score:1) 02Re:Micro$erF Orafice? - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:06] <exec> 08└─Also, Dude.....Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature.
[23:06:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03sudo rm -rf [2357] (Score:2) 02Re:Micro$erF Orafice? - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:07] <exec> 08└─Ha! I know this one. Was it The Big Lebowski?
[23:06:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Micro$erF Orafice? - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:09] <exec> 08└─And here I thought it was the Android robot peeing on, an Apple? on Google maps??
[23:06:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Consumers didn't buy it.... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:11] <exec> 08└─Microsoft tried to sell Microsoft Phone. From what I could tell, not too many people liked the idea of having Microsoft products in a phone. Perhaps they remembered their own frustration with Microsoft products in their computer. No matter how powerful the processor got, it was always jacking off on...
[23:06:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Consumers didn't buy it.... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:12] <exec> 08└─Microsoft decided to "work with" other businesses
[23:06:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Consumers didn't buy it.... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 1194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:14] <exec> 08└─It also ignores the windows phones they made since about 1999 and the iPaq. They were 'ok' devices in fact I would say they were pretty cool. They didnt stick because they had puny dataplans (think along the lines of 10 meg a month for 40 bucks). That and activesync was a horid crappy way to do anyt...
[23:06:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Consumers didn't buy it.... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:15] <exec> 08└─Don't for get threatening with more 'patent' lawsuits. It *is* profitable, as it helps keep the "Microsoft Office as a standard" bullshit going. Many parts of the world are making decent progress of moving to open formats which is extremely bad for Microsoft. Doing something to make their products c...
[23:06:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Consumers didn't buy it.... - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:17] <exec> 08└─It *is* profitable, as it helps keep the "Microsoft Office as a standard" bullshit going.
[23:06:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03WizardFusion [498] (Score:3, Informative) 02Root - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:18] <exec> 08└─One of the good things about Android is that it's fairly easy to root - much more than iOS Once rooted, just remove all the crap that is pre-installed. While you are there, install an firewall (or other security product) so that any apps you download don't have full access to everything you have. In...
[23:06:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03pgc [1600] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Root - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:20] <exec> 08└─If you have to root to remove non-critical apps, it is an indication that there is something terribly wrong.
[23:06:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Root - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:22] <exec> 08└─there is something terribly wrong.
[23:06:22] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03stormreaver [5101] 02Re:Root - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 60 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:23] <exec> 08└─Once rooted, just remove all the crap that is pre-installed.
[23:06:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Root - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:25] <exec> 08└─I recently installed CyanogenMod to get away from Lollipop, only to experience dismay that they have been compromised by Microsoft. Can anyone point those of us interested in developing custom ROMs to a particularly helpful bootcamp/howto? Frustration with vendor lock-in has reached a fever pitch.
[23:06:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Murdoc [2518] (Score:1) 02Re:Root - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:26] <exec> 08└─Seriously?!? I thought this news was bad enough, but Cyanogen too? The only reason I have Android is because I think it's the least of 3 evils, but now MS is like this... infection that gets in everywhere. Man, I hope those alt OSes for phones (like Tizen and Sailfish) start becoming available where...
[23:06:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK [2760] (Score:2) 02Re:Root - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:28] <exec> 08└─What specifically has MS infiltrated in Cyanogenmod? I'm not being a dick, I'm curious.
[23:06:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03meisterister [949] (Score:2) 02That's fine! - 06Microsoft Office and Skype to be Preinstalled on More Android Devices - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:29] <exec> 08└─I'll just root and install Cyanoge....shit.
[23:06:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03physicsmajor [1471] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Infamous is right - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:31] <exec> 08└─Sadly, Mars One is trying to fake their way to Mars with press releases and news coverage. They are distracting the public from real progress being made toward these goals, and I fear what the fallout of their inevitable failure will do to public perception of actual, feasible projects.
[23:06:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Tragic consequences make for, - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:33] <exec> 08└─great Hollywood movies. So it won't matter if they fail. The entertainment will be worth the risks.
[23:06:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Nuclear war - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:34] <exec> 08└─makes for such great entertainment, it's a shame it doesn't happen more often in the real world.
[23:06:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Tragic consequences make for, - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:36] <exec> 08└─In the 1980s 37 people died in Hollywood from accidents filing. That's more than the number who have died in the space industry since 1957. Hollywood didn't shit down for years at every death though.
[23:06:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Tragic consequences make for, - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:37] <exec> 08└─37 people of how many? The number of people who died from Polonium ingestion during the last 20 years was significantly lower than the number of people who died from car accidents during the same time. Should I conclude that eating Polonium is safer than driving?
[23:06:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:2) 02Re:Tragic consequences make for, - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:39] <exec> 08└─Reminds me of a joke: What's the difference between an American actuary and a Russian actuary? The American can tell you how many people will die [soa.org] of Polonium ingestion next year. The Russian can tell you their names. [wikipedia.org]
[23:06:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02schizoid embolism - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:41] <exec> 08└─You'll even have fantasies about alien civilizations, as you requested. But in the end, back on Earth you'll be lobotomized.
[23:06:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:schizoid embolism - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:42] <exec> 08└─Hahahhahhahah yes!
[23:06:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Oxygen/CO2 problem - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:44] <exec> 08└─What about the following easy solution to the O2/CO2 problem: Burn the non-edible parts of the plants to produce energy and CO2 while consuming O2. Since the total amount of carbon is a constant, the only place where the carbon can be stored by the plants, other than in the edible parts (which will...
[23:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03threedigits [607] (Score:2) 02Re:Oxygen/CO2 problem - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:45] <exec> 08└─I believe that there's no "non-edible" parts. What will not be consumed by humans will be, as you pointed out, by bacteria. Bacterial digestion is roughly equivalent to burning, albeit slower. Also, burning down biomass tends to release pollutants (NOx) besides the CO2.
[23:06:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oxygen/CO2 problem - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:47] <exec> 08└─The carbon must accumulate somewhere. So if it is not in non-edible parts of the plants, where is it then? If it accumulates in the people, there's also a simple solution: They just have to do some sports so they don't get fat. ;-)
[23:06:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03lothmordor [1522] (Score:3, Informative) 02More Pork Please - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 2457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:48] <exec> 08└─Ugh. I seriously dislike articles like this. If Popular Science is trying to say, "Mars won't be open for tourism for a while." then I guess they make a good point. However, I believe they are doing a disservice to the people actually trying to make humans a multi-planetary species. Certainly, ther...
[23:06:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:More Pork Please - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:50] <exec> 08└─Freezing to Death - This complaint is almost an engineering detail. We know how to build insulation and heaters. Optimizing the system to be lightweight and use power sparingly is important but this isn't a show stopper.
[23:06:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:More Pork Please - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:52] <exec> 08└─The poles is likely a place where any expedition would have to land or at least venture because that's where the water is.
[23:06:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:3, Insightful) 02In space ... - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:53] <exec> 08└─Considering it takes between 5 and 20 minutes to get a message back to earth you'll already be dead when we hear about it. So in space nobody can hear you scream, until your tragedy gets made into a sci-fi movie. Then you'll die with sound and lensflares.
[23:06:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Make use of the local resources - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 749 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:55] <exec> 08└─The key is to bring equipment that can make use of the resources that are there be it sand, sunlight, perchlorate, lava tubes or frozen H2O etc. One could even reduce the weight and thus efficiency of this equipment and use them during a long time through a robotic mission to prepare for a future se...
[23:06:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Why send people first? - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 1156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:06:56] <exec> 08└─We have already seen examples of drones and 3D printers building structures on Earth. Why not send machines to Mars to do the same thing, and have a nice, viable base all ready and waiting for the humans when they arrive? The machines can use local materials, simply burrowing into the regolith if no...
[23:06:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Why send people first? - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 467 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:58] <exec> 08└─We have already seen examples of drones and 3D printers building structures on Earth. Why not send machines to Mars to do the same thing, and have a nice, viable base all ready and waiting for the humans when they arrive? The machines can use local materials, simply burrowing into the regolith if no...
[23:06:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Why send people first? - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 1137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:59] <exec> 08└─Nobody has built a habitable cave on Earth with robots because it is more cost effective here to build outside houses with humans. On Mars, the cost-benefit calculus is different. Also, if you build it with robots and there's a flaw (say, a leak) in the underground structure, nobody dies because rob...
[23:07:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02You die alone - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:07:01] <exec> 08└─Forever alone. Which may be incentive for some people.
[23:07:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not a fan of the style of headline writing - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:07:03] <exec> 08└─Which contains the word "You" in an unflattering but over-generalized way, such as "Mistakes You're Still Making with Your Diet". That invites the reader to think, "How do they even know what I'm eating?", but many of them click thru anyway. This technique is especially absurd when it comes to trave...
[23:07:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Not a fan of the style of headline writing - 06How You'll Die on Mars - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:04] <exec> 08└─https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you [wikipedia.org]
[23:07:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:07:06] <exec> 08└─Boy that last sentence seems like bait.... Think I'll move along here.
[23:07:07] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 1233 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:07] <exec> 08└─Its also highly ironic. All humans, by cognitive necessity, exist in a bubble of some sort. The only variable is how "large" (over n fuzzy dimensions) this bubble is. Self reporting of bubble size is irrelevant and no real work that I know of has been done on developing impartial measures of such ha...
[23:07:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:09] <exec> 08└─For example. The poster of the article implies that he believes he could identify those that exist in a bubble and that he is not in one himself. What a laugh.
[23:07:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:11] <exec> 08└─Yes, very true. I saw a similar discussion (more of a lecture) some years ago. It started out on a different subject, transmissions, as I recall, but soon it brought forth exactly what you suggested. I've found a short-ish video of it: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[23:07:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 377 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:12] <exec> 08└─I have to say, in agreement with poster in a thread a day or two ago, that this tendency to just post a link to a video on youtube without comment is not to be encouraged. A bit more of a description? Some reason to actually spend time looking at it? That said, that video was damn funny, and I say...
[23:07:13] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03dyingtolive [952] 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 712 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:14] <exec> 08└─I think we've seen a lot of these echo chambers at work, and we informally scream about them often. See FoxNews, Slashdot, tumblr, ad nauseum for real world examples we're all likely too familiar with. The scariest thing to me is the groups that are forming and the continual levels of extremism that...
[23:07:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:15] <exec> 08└─That ability can be cultivated. Cultivate it in yourself, then pass it on to others. Some people ossify when they get old. Others broaden their perspective through experience.
[23:07:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 749 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:17] <exec> 08└─You mention those sites and you leave off this one? NSA is bad! (NSA is bad!. . . NSA is bad!. . nsa is bad!. . .) Snowden is infallible! (Snowden is infallible! . . . Snowden is infallible! . . . snowden is infallible! . . .) All police are evil! (All police are evil! . . . All police are evil! . ....
[23:07:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:19] <exec> 08└─The comment in the summary covered SN. Didn't think it was necessary to mention, but yes, you're generally right.
[23:07:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:20] <exec> 08└─That "lecture" was awesome. Had to google it to find out who/when it was: https://en.wikipedia.org Hilarious. Gonna keep that one. Thank you.
[23:07:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:22] <exec> 08└─Yes, I get it. You failed to understand what I was saying. Let's assess whether this is appropriate: a) I did not use a lot of jargon as in the video b) My intent was not to confuse but to explain in simple terms c) I stuck to the point So what we REALLY have here is your simple inability to underst...
[23:07:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:23] <exec> 08└─More likely I just grew weary of your pompous grandiosity (of which, this was but a mild example). You really are full of yourself, aren't you!
[23:07:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Monkey theory? - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 710 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:25] <exec> 08└─Wonder if the moneky theory bears any relationship to the size of a person's bubble. A person who is comfortable with a small circle of friends, as opposed to someone who knows EVERYONE would have a smaller bubble? If that be the case, I guess I'm in a pretty small bubble. I long ago gave up trying...
[23:07:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:Monkey theory? - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:26] <exec> 08└─I would imagine so. But that is only over a set of specific dimensions. Bubbles are not a single set or even easily definable.
[23:07:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:28] <exec> 08└─It doesn't just seem like bait. It is bait. That part should have been removed by the editor prior to the submission being accepted.
[23:07:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:30] <exec> 08└─But then it would be a troll. wouldn't it?
[23:07:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:31] <exec> 08└─Actually, a snide remark by the editor would have been very much apt.
[23:07:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:33] <exec> 08└─Snide? This is Science, gentlepersons! If you disagree, you must provide evidence! Evidence that is not only accepted in your particular echo chamber. You see, the intent is to provoke rational dialogue on an objective level, to cross the boundaries of the echo chambers. I grow pessimistic of the po...
[23:07:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:34] <exec> 08└─Allow me to make that remark instead. I'd like to formally propose that aristarchus is one of those refugees among us who are still stuck in particular bubbles.
[23:07:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:36] <exec> 08└─I'd like to formally propose that aristarchus is one of those refugees among us who are still stuck in particular bubbles.
[23:07:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Quagmire alert. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:37] <exec> 08└─Statements like that are how you end up with echo chambers. As people see it and think 'geeze this place is judgmental I didnt come to be judged I came to read a bit of something interesting'. Eventually people stop swinging by. From Romans 14 is a good way to look at the world. tl;dr Stop judging...
[23:07:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:1) 02Fix the goddamn "study abstract" link. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 316 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:07:39] <exec> 08└─The "study abstract" link in the last paragraph is broken. It currently links to https://soylentnews.org Fix it, please. It should obviously link to http://www.nature.com
[23:07:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Re:Fix the goddamn "study abstract" link. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:40] <exec> 08└─And while we're picking on the volunteers who submit and edit these stories, let's also point out that SoylentNews is written together in the page title and in the upper left of every page, but not in the posted submission.
[23:07:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Fix the goddamn "study abstract" link. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:42] <exec> 08└─It doesn't matter if they're volunteers or not. Being a volunteer isn't an excuse for fucking up. The broken URL in the submission, and the inconsistent spelling of this site's name, are the kind of sloppiness that helped destroy Slashdot. That kind of sloppiness should not be tolerated here.
[23:07:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:0, Troll) 02Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 660 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:07:44] <exec> 08└─In other words, we're not all listening to the right echo chambers. Funny how suddenly there's all this money for research into public opinion on climate change when someone needs to discredit "climate change denial". “The model we used gives us a framework for empirically testing the significance...
[23:07:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:45] <exec> 08└─If "climate change" (which is really catastrophic anthropogenic global warming) is such a settled matter
[23:07:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 1158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:47] <exec> 08└─If you throw away reports from any institute which is tainted by being affiliated with a deliberately methodologically or statistically flawed study, and you throw away all journals which are tainted by them having published a deliberately methodologically or statistically flawed study, and you thro...
[23:07:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:48] <exec> 08└─We should retract all journal articles ever written by anyone who is affiliated with any institution who has done any climate research, proposed to do any climate research, or who looks likely to want to do any kind of climate research. It is corruption all the way down. This should be done retroact...
[23:07:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:50] <exec> 08└─If "climate change" (which is really catastrophic anthropogenic global warming) is such a settled matter, obstructed in the US only by networks of echo chambers, then why is so much effort devoted to a giant statistically significant ad hominem fallacy?
[23:07:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:51] <exec> 08└─Or rather it is not an ad hominem to not respect a schizophrenic's count of the people in a room, so too is it not a fallacy to disrespect someone that claims global warming is a hoax.
[23:07:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:53] <exec> 08└─Disrespect of a statement vs disrespect of a person making a statement. Are they really the same? (do you automatically disrespect a schizophrenia sufferer because her/his count of the persons in the room is inaccurate?)
[23:07:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:54] <exec> 08└─(Psst, khallow! Did you miss the part where it's bait?)
[23:07:55] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03aristarchus [2645] 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 194 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:56] <exec> 08└─Now see, this is exactly where it kicks in: Funny how suddenly there's all this money for research into public opinion on climate change when someone needs to discredit "climate change denial".
[23:07:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Vanderhoth [61] (Score:2) 02Re:Sure - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:58] <exec> 08└─There are so many things both right and wrong with this. how so many fringe elements (and members of congress) could cling to a thoroughly discredited position despite all evidence to the contrary
[23:07:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:07:59] <exec> 08└─This idea that you can objectively interpret data is wrong. You need to assess how plausible the the different explanations are given the data. The way to do this has been known for hundreds of years, when will it be time to stop ignoring Bayes' theorem and saying things like 'science says so'? Any...
[23:08:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 770 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:01] <exec> 08└─Certainly is subjective. Human's are self-rationalising animals, so essentially you have to keep banging on and on at a subject until they realise they are using the "alarmist" part of their brains when they should be using logic with a healthy dose of skepticism. Learn to judge risks and determine...
[23:08:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:02] <exec> 08└─What would convince you personally that danger was imminent and the best way to avoid it is drastic reduction in tropospheric co2? They need some kind of feat to be performed.
[23:08:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 404 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:04] <exec> 08└─And look, you Republican Exxon dupe, there are more of us than there are of you, so our subjective is the new objective! Got that? Do we have to personally beat you upside the head with science courses and math and climate modelling? Once again, your "giant" ad hominem is tiny, miniscule, at best 3%...
[23:08:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:05] <exec> 08└─These are some good examples of latroscience.
[23:08:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 375 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:07] <exec> 08└─I mean yeah, you may THINK you saw that big concrete block fall on your foot and it may seem that your foot is now pinned to the ground. Sure, you are feeling shocking amounts of pain from your foot, but that's just your view. As the owner of the building that the block allegedly fell from, I assure...
[23:08:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 366 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:09] <exec> 08└─People have disagreements over stuff like that all the time. Nearly your exact example is even a well known magic trick: http://m.youtube.com [youtube.com] There is no such thing as objectively interpreting data. All attempts to pretend there is will lead to sloppiness and confu...
[23:08:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:10] <exec> 08└─The rubber hand trick is amusing exactly because the illusion lasts only an instant before the objective observation replaces the brief subjective error.
[23:08:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:12] <exec> 08└─Ok, what precisely is the objective observation being made?
[23:08:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:13] <exec> 08└─That hand is not attached to my arm. I am quite certain that upon even brief observation, all present will agree with that. It is a testable observation.
[23:08:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:15] <exec> 08└─Ok, so the data is 1) A hammer hit a hand 2) sjames showed expressions of surprise and pain 3) the hand is no longer attached to his arm Therefore, what would you like to conclude? Perhaps you would like to add additional data. I'm not being purposefully dense.
[23:08:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 532 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:17] <exec> 08└─Note, the term objective means that independent observers can draw the same conclusion from the same data. It does NOT mean that the village idiot can't get the wrong conclusion. Subjective observations are things that are not subject to an independent observation. For example, that in spite of the...
[23:08:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:interpreting data is subjective - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:18] <exec> 08└─Perhaps we are talking past each other. I am talking about interpreting the data, what conclusions can be drawn. You are talking about the data itself. For example, how likely is it that the fake hand was a glove vs totally unattached? Without certain information we would need to guess about that. T...
[23:08:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Get the platinum bar. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:20] <exec> 08└─echo echo Get the platinum bar. Get it?
[23:08:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Get the platinum bar. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:21] <exec> 08└─Lord Dimwit Flathead, I presume.
[23:08:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Get the platinum bar. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:23] <exec> 08└─Now I am sure this needs to be explained. Platinum bar? Meters? I don't get it.
[23:08:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Get the platinum bar. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:24] <exec> 08└─ZORK! You are probably devoid of grey hair.
[23:08:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:2) 02Re:Get the platinum bar. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:26] <exec> 08└─echo echo Get the platinum bar.
[23:08:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Get the platinum bar. - 06Science of "Echo Chambers" - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:27] <exec> 08└─rofl Had to someone here with that knowledge. Now give me back my bag!
[23:08:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:3, Funny) 02My ex - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:29] <exec> 08└─went through heroic measures to get rid of her yeast cells. just sayin
[23:08:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:2) 02Human yest - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:31] <exec> 08└─If human DNA is spliced into yest will eating bread be second degree cannibalism?!
[23:08:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Human yest - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:32] <exec> 08└─Not soon enough 🏃🍞👾
[23:08:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03SlimmPickens [1056] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Human yest - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:34] <exec> 08└─Drinking human...milk isn't cannibalism. Takes a bit more than one protein that the yeast made with its own ribosome. I suggest the line is closer to lab-grown human meat than a single protein.
[23:08:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03gringer [962] (Score:2) 02Or stick good yeast into the humans - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:35] <exec> 08└─if the protein can be swapped into yeast cells, then "I could put in a hundred different variants of the human ortholog and, for example, I could rapidly screen whether they are sensitive to the presence of this or that drug."
[23:08:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02What is at stake here? - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 463 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:37] <exec> 08└─Are we altruistically saving the yeasts? Or just saving them to make half human chimeras that we can text drugs on? Now if it was just about survival, and beer and wine, I would understand. But this makes no sense. Why would we do this? Is it the Jurassic Park Chaos Theory thing all over again, jus...
[23:08:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What is at stake here? - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:39] <exec> 08└─In Soviet Russia Jurassic Yeast, bread eats you.
[23:08:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Safety protocals? - 06Heroic Efforts to save Yeast Cells - Or Not - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:40] <exec> 08└─So the scientist created yeast cells that do not die. So if those yeast cells get exposed to a pathogen, and at some point we may have super MRSA or some Omega virus to wipe us all out.
[23:08:41] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Gaaark [41] 02Hey! - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 63 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:42] <exec> 08└─So i've been a bit busy lately! I'll get back to it, i promise!
[23:08:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:08:43] <exec> 08└─Because it's DRM locked to Steam. I already got burned by Sony PSN, why get burned again if Steam closes? I will not pay for any game or software with DRM.
[23:08:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:45] <exec> 08└─Windows games are locked to Steam too. Your excuse doesn't explain why linux use is down while Windows is up.
[23:08:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:46] <exec> 08└─Windows games are locked to Steam too. Your excuse doesn't explain why linux use is down while Windows is up.
[23:08:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:48] <exec> 08└─The book titled "Windows For Dummies" is also the reason they use it.
[23:08:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:50] <exec> 08└─I believe it's a false dichotomy - Windows or Linux. I don't know a single Linux user (including myself), who doesn't have a dedicated Windows box (or dualboot) for gaming. We're long since the point where the average Linux techie couldn't afford two decent performance machines, and the bang-for-buc...
[23:08:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:51] <exec> 08└─I don't have a windows box, if I did it would have been wiped and running Linux by now.
[23:08:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:53] <exec> 08└─Hi, I have no Linux box. I'm also not much of a gamer although I played the original Quake recently and it rocked.
[23:08:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:54] <exec> 08└─That is, I have no Windows box. All my box are Linux box.
[23:08:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hawkwind [3531] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:56] <exec> 08└─Second, I game on Linux and don't have Windows at home.
[23:08:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:57] <exec> 08└─Happy to report I joined that club yesterday.
[23:08:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:59] <exec> 08└─I don't know a single Linux user (including myself), who doesn't have a dedicated Windows box (or dualboot) for gaming.
[23:09:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:01] <exec> 08└─You evidently don't know me, either! I have not run (notice that, not "owned", not "purchased" not "pirated") Windows since Win95. Glad to make your acquaintance. Si vous plait.
[23:09:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Noble713 [4895] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 477 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:02] <exec> 08└─^This x1000. Sure, I have Debian Jessie on my laptop, for doing my research (GNURadio stuff, coding, etc...) Meanwhile, my desktop runs Windows 7 x64 because I play a *LOT* of games, the bulk of which aren't available on Steam or don't have Linux Steam versions. And I have some other CAD software th...
[23:09:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03broggyr [3589] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:04] <exec> 08└─I have a Windows box because many of the games I bought through Steam for Windows simply aren't ported to Steam on Linux (GTA, DeadSpace, Skyrim to name a few).
[23:09:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 1040 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:05] <exec> 08└─Yeah I used to have a dedicated Windows box for gaming. Until about a month ago I decided it was time to dust the thing off and repurpose it as a file server and media center. The video card is almost a decade old and certainly wasn't a high-end card even back then, so that tells you how much I actu...
[23:09:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03meisterister [949] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:07] <exec> 08└─I will second this with the condition that easy and decent dual-booting is only the price of a second hard drive (around $60) and a secondhand copy of Windows ($10-$50 if you're willing to use Vista, though it only runs "well" on an SSD.) I'll also add the condition that it applies mostly just to ne...
[23:09:08] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03edIII [791] 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 3018 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:09] <exec> 08└─This might get modded as troll, but perhaps, it's because Linux users as a *whole* put up with a heck of a lot less DRM bullshit than Windows users, and Mac users are already well trained submissives eagerly willing to be mistreated by the dominatrixes (those sexy rounded corners) up at Cupertino? I...
[23:09:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:10] <exec> 08└─Fuck, you've already been modded +5 Insightful so I can add nothing to what you said.
[23:09:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:12] <exec> 08└─Linux users as a *whole* put up with a heck of a lot less DRM bullshit
[23:09:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:13] <exec> 08└─40, 10s of million. You left off a few zeros.
[23:09:14] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03DarkMorph [674] 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 1335 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:15] <exec> 08└─I don't know how many Linux-using gamers fall into this category but this is precisely why I'll never try Steam even for my OS. DRM, plain and simple. Coming from the classic gaming era I expect to own the games I buy and can use all I want without expiry. So long as the physical hardware is running...
[23:09:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 564 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:16] <exec> 08└─Coming from the classic gaming era I expect to own the games I buy Hold on let me look that up on page 3 paragraph 2 line 4 word 6. But I first have to find the red piece of plastic to blur out the extra letters to look up on the code wheel. But it is kinda loud in here too because of the driving go...
[23:09:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 647 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:18] <exec> 08└─There have always been examples of DRM, well at least since the Apple ][+, but I've usually avoided the ones that had it in favor of the others. (The only exception is "Wizardy: Proving grounds of the Mad Overlord"...and even there I managed to make backup copies.) FWIW, I dislike DRM enough, and in...
[23:09:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:19] <exec> 08└─oh god you FOSS lot are painful to listen to! i would hate to live in your little ultra-paranoid perception of reality.... seriously, i pity people like yourself... life must just be really difficult for you.
[23:09:20] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 1239 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:21] <exec> 08└─Uh ... what? Nothing paranoid about realizing that companies go out of business sometimes. Do you think it's paranoid to worry about a company going out of business if you have $5000 worth of that company's gift cards? I don't. [wsj.com] Now consider that "buying" Steam games or "buying" Amazon Inst...
[23:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 705 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:23] <exec> 08└─If I have a game on CD or movie on DVD, I play it until I die it gets scratched, lost , or stolen, and then my heirs get to do the same help me move a ton of physical media every time I move or remodel my entertainment area and dig through all my crap when I die. Also, I love the hours spent keeping...
[23:09:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:24] <exec> 08└─While I get the whole Steam isn't buying argument, but I don't get any of the anti-Gabe crap that goes around. There doesn't seem to be any rational backing to the hatred besides ad-hominem attacks on him along with his company. But whatever, I respect your right to your opinion, as factually incorr...
[23:09:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:26] <exec> 08└─While I get the whole Steam isn't buying argument, but I don't get any of the anti-Gabe crap that goes around. There doesn't seem to be any rational backing to the hatred besides ad-hominem attacks on him along with his company.
[23:09:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondrake [2658] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 3022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:27] <exec> 08└─It seems that many here have this feeling. I would probably have agreed a couple of years ago, but I decided to try out steam, and I am actually quite impressed and it is not always as bad as you think. First of all: it seems the DRM bullshit is more or less depending on the game publisher, not forc...
[23:09:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dr. Manhattan [5273] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Games aren't a good fit for FOSS - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 1747 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:29] <exec> 08└─There's plenty of software involved in games: the engines, the drivers, etc. And that has lots of FOSS entries, many of them very good. But the games themselves are a lot more like a movie or an image or a book. All those assets - models, textures, sounds, levels, weapons, etc. - those are, essentia...
[23:09:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Games aren't a good fit for FOSS - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:31] <exec> 08└─So, DRM for games isn't automatically a moral failure.
[23:09:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:32] <exec> 08└─It seems that many here have this feeling. I would probably have agreed a couple of years ago, but I decided to try out steam, and I am actually quite impressed and it is not always as bad as you think.
[23:09:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 393 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:34] <exec> 08└─I have over 50 Linux games on Steam that I acquired through Humble Bundle and then used the Steam keys from Humble Bundle to add the games in Steam. So, with all those at least, I could always re-download my games individually if Valve/Steam went under. Now the other 100+ Linux games that I rented f...
[23:09:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 1422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:35] <exec> 08└─It's no different for the Windows version. Obviously, Steam isn't targeted at people like you. I think the explanation is fairly simple: Steam on Linux has failed to attract many users: it attracted some, and now they're using it, but everyone who wanted to use Steam on Linux is already doing so, so...
[23:09:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Pissing off Linux users; getting converts - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:37] <exec> 08└─DRM Add to that Steam's cluelessness [google.com] charging for something that had previously been gratis. I wouldn't be surprised if a plot of new Steam+Linux users shows an inflection point that week. Maybe committed Steam+Windoze users accept that sort of thing more readily. Steam/Linux really nee...
[23:09:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'll tell you why... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:38] <exec> 08└─Perhaps the number of Linux users is static, and the number of Windows users is going?
[23:09:39] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03jasassin [3566] 02Video drivers. - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 614 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:40] <exec> 08└─Who wants to spend hours of their life getting a proprietary GPU driver working to have your entire system shit and break on each kernel or xorg patch? Not to mention the way they revision xorg, on a whim, and permanently bust older hardware compatibility. Its not that gaming on Linux sucks. Its th...
[23:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Video drivers. - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:41] <exec> 08└─Those are the exact kinds of issues that SteamOS was supposed to solve. Linux driver support has improved [pcworld.com] since release [reddit.com]. The real problem may be slow development and few commercially available Steam machines [arstechnica.com] (page 2). The Steam Controller was announced in...
[23:09:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Orion Blastar [5270] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Video drivers. - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 676 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:43] <exec> 08└─There was supposed to be a lot of Linux ports of popular games on Steam. They didn't happen either. Linux and MacOSX usage went down because more games for Windows exist so people went back to using Windows for their games. MacOSX can only be used with Apple branded hardware and they got rid of the...
[23:09:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:Video drivers. - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:45] <exec> 08└─Hackintosh FTW! I have to be somewhat careful about the GPU I pick but it isn't bad.
[23:09:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Stream Machines - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:46] <exec> 08└─They needed to have them in stores in quantity for Christmas 2014.[1] Synchronicity with that holiday is critical. Grishnakh (above) said "Steam/Linux really needed to get a lot of converts from Windows", which parallels my thoughts. Steam has another chance this year but, if they drop the ball agai...
[23:09:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Video drivers. - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 452 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:48] <exec> 08└─No proprietary video drivers here. My Intel graphics based system runs most games in the Steam Linux section just fine - and that's an old Ironlake (first gen Core i5), if I were to upgrade to Haswell, I could probably get four times the performance. Either way, for someone who already has a Linux m...
[23:09:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03forkazoo [2561] (Score:2) 02Re:Video drivers. - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:49] <exec> 08└─I dunno what problems you have, but my nVidia card seems to work without too much trouble. I play a bunch of Borderlands2 on Linux, though I do wish that the characters synced between Windows and Linux, I don't think I've ever run into any graphics driver problems since I installed Steam. I don't th...
[23:09:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Video drivers. - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:51] <exec> 08└─My nVidia 9800GT is still chugging along just fine.
[23:09:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Where are the Steam Boxes? - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 452 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:53] <exec> 08└─I think the drop off is due to the complete lack of progress on SteamOS and the Steam Box in the last year or so. Until those start to actually be produced, the only install base you have to pull from are current Linux users, which is somewhere around 1-2% of the desktop/laptop market. Not surprisin...
[23:09:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Linux gaming - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:54] <exec> 08└─I see a lot more games coming out on Linux the last few years, and I think Steam at least had some part in that. Maybe some users have switched to GoG, but at least games are being published on Linux, which is what matters most.
[23:09:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:2) 02Re:Linux gaming - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 1262 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:56] <exec> 08└─Yup, the intro of Linux to GoG was a big deal for me. There was for a while a selection of indie games that were available on GoG DRM free for windows and mac... or available on Steam (with "DRM"*) for Linux. So for a while I had to choose between DRM free, or support for Linux; and that was annoyin...
[23:09:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03khchung [457] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Because it's buggy? - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:57] <exec> 08└─After the umpteenth time of starting Stream and it failed to connect, and have to ask you for the password again (even though password dialog still have the "save password" checked), I have to wonder why I want to keep doing that.
[23:09:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score:2) 02Not uniquely buggy... - 06Linux Usage on Steam Continues to Decline - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:59] <exec> 08└─It does that on Windows, too.
[23:10:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:00] <exec> 08└─Identifying information should not be used for authentication or in short IDs are not passwords. Too bad for us peons, the data borkers have turned their databases of public information into authentication products [experian.com] they sell to banks and other companies. It is a house of cards just on...
[23:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:1) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:02] <exec> 08└─So you've identified a problem. Now what's your solution? You must remember that users want near-instant online access. They won't be happy when they need to access the site and its information today, because of a strict deadline that's coming up tomorrow, yet in order to access the data online they...
[23:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:04] <exec> 08└─Then the morons can go fuck themselves, because these are the same idiots who whine and cry when their bank account is emptied by a thief thanks to insecure practices.
[23:10:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:05] <exec> 08└─Let me see if I understand your solution to this problem. So let us suppose that John Smith needs to access his past tax returns and filings. In order to do this securely, he will need to get his penis to an erect state, he will then need to pull it between his legs, and bend it up so that he can in...
[23:10:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:07] <exec> 08└─You have obviously not been to Cam4...
[23:10:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:08] <exec> 08└─Just because no solution is suggested doesn't mean that the argument is wrong. Maybe the users desiring near-instant online access *are* wrong... for now. Gimme an afternoon to actually think about solutions. Step one is always to identify that upon which could be improved. We've completed that step...
[23:10:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:10] <exec> 08└─So you've identified a problem. Now what's your solution?
[23:10:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:11] <exec> 08└─You must remember that users want near-instant online access.
[23:10:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:13] <exec> 08└─Neigh you say?
[23:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03SecurityGuy [1453] (Score:2) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:15] <exec> 08└─You must remember that users want near-instant online access.
[23:10:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:16] <exec> 08└─Is this alternative universe where asymmetric cryptography was never invented?
[23:10:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Same Old Story... - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 1150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:18] <exec> 08└─I'd like to extend your comment a bit. Authentication and identification are not the same thing! An ID is something that uniquely identifies you. Good things for IDs are biometrics, usernames, email addresses, physical addresses, and Social Security numbers. Your name is NOT a good ID, something con...
[23:10:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Could it have been Santorum? - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:19] <exec> 08└─Just heard that Santorum announced candidacy for US President, and he said the #1 step in "Taking back the country" (yes, president is still black!) is to get rid of the tax code and the IRS!!! Yeah!! But I hear as well that Santorum still has his emails printed out so he can read them, so probably...
[23:10:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Could it have been Santorum? - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:21] <exec> 08└─He can read?
[23:10:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Could it have been Santorum? - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:22] <exec> 08└─What has ass dribbling got to do with ass dribble got to do with anything?
[23:10:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Could it have been Santorum? - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:24] <exec> 08└─Santorum runs.
[23:10:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Informative) 02Theft - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:25] <exec> 08└─Was something taken with the attempt to deprive? Or did the criminals merely copy the data?
[23:10:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Theft - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 5 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:27] <exec> 08└─Both.
[23:10:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03rst [2175] (Score:3, Informative) 02Canadian system for comparison. - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:29] <exec> 08└─The Canadian equivalent involves having a password snail mailed to the address they have on file. The delay is frustrating, but now I wonder if it might be worth it. Still, something in the middle would be nice. Mind you, I'm not sure how to do that.
[23:10:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Canadian system for comparison. - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:30] <exec> 08└─The Canadian equivalent involves having a password snail mailed to the address they have on file
[23:10:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Canadian system for comparison. - 06IRS Coughs up 100,000 Tax Returns to Thieves - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:32] <exec> 08└─the IRS could be using the DMV, passports, and the financial services industry to help with authentication.
[23:10:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Going Commando - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:33] <exec> 08└─Is it possible Microsoft purposely leaves behind exploits and doesn't patch them all so that they can keep requiring support when they are discovered?
[23:10:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Make UK read zdnet?? - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:35] <exec> 08└─http://www.zdnet.com/article/registry-hack-enables-continued-updates-for-windows-xp/ [zdnet.com] Registry hack enables continued updates for Windows XP - supports XP through April 9th 2019, that is 4 more years!
[23:10:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Going Commando - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:36] <exec> 08└─They will never be secure, but they were never secure in the first place... Dropping support does not suddenly introduce new vulnerabilities. Any remaining vulnerabilities have been there since day 1, unless they were introduced with an "update".
[23:10:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:At least they're not running System D - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:38] <exec> 08└─The only real difference being the one is open source.
[23:10:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score:2) 02Re:At least they're not running System D - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:40] <exec> 08└─As much as I absolutely disagree with the architecture of systemd, it's still miles ahead of XP.
[23:10:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:To steal an old Microsoft trademarked slogan... - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:41] <exec> 08└─We're going to move all of our mission critical systems to MicroSoft Bob.
[23:10:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:To steal an old Microsoft trademarked slogan... - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:43] <exec> 08└─Who knows? It might result in an improvement!
[23:10:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score:1) 02Re:To steal an old Microsoft trademarked slogan... - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 1037 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:44] <exec> 08└─I work in the NHS and we only got rid of XP fairly recently (last year or the year before, can't remember). We got Windows 7 instead, which doesn't run too badly apart from the security settings on the machine (restricting my ability to change ClearType settings without calling the IT department to...
[23:10:45] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03K_benzoate [5036] 02Longevity - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 2173 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:46] <exec> 08└─It's impressive, in a way, and in many others deeply disheartening. Many people would happily go on using Windows XP for another 15 years if they could. Even more impressive (to me, at least) many of the machines would probably go on running for that long too. I still find people using dust choked D...
[23:10:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02Re:Longevity - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:47] <exec> 08└─Yeah, back then disk drives were made a lot better. You won't be seeing today's Win7 machines in a few years with their original installs of Win7, because the drives will have died.
[23:10:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02UK, that bastion of progress - 06UK.gov Still Running XP--but Without Support Agreement - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:49] <exec> 08└─I hear they're still using Roman roads! (And unlike roads operating systems don't age gracefully!)
[23:10:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score:2) 02Re:We've changed out name to Exxon! - 06Russian Space Agency Abolished and Replaced Following Financial Violations - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:51] <exec> 08└─Saves a lot of time and money not changing documentation, legal wording in contracts, etc....
[23:10:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Placenta [5264] (Score:1) 02Re:Claims to dislike RH-ish distros - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:52] <exec> 08└─What's your point? The package management system in use is independent from what software is installed and how it's configured. Just using RPM doesn't make a distro Red Hat-like.
[23:10:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Claims to dislike RH-ish distros - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:54] <exec> 08└─I remember learning that the hard way by trying to mix and match RedHat and Mandrake RPMs (and the occasional SUSE package and one other distro I'm not remembering). I got myself into a bunch of weird dependency situations, lots of linking problems, and the occasional mystery bug. After that, I thin...
[23:10:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:My first distro was Mandrake - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:55] <exec> 08└─Not my first experience, and never spent much time playing with any version of Mandrake. I first found some version of Red Hat, then SuSE. I was astounded to find Red Hat (and most of its clones like Mandrake) installed wide open, very insecure, lots of services running.
[23:10:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:My first distro was Mandrake - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:57] <exec> 08└─RPM hell was largely the result of people trying to do things AROUND rpm, instead of with it, or as someone above posted, grabbing random RPMs from around the net and assuming that since the both had an extension of .rpm, one was free to substitute any vaguely similar rpm from any random distro, reg...
[23:10:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:My first distro was Mandrake - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 377 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:59] <exec> 08└─RPM hell was largely the result of people trying to do things AROUND rpm, instead of with it, or as someone above posted, grabbing random RPMs from around the net and assuming that since the both had an extension of .rpm, one was free to substitute any vaguely similar rpm from any random distro, reg...
[23:10:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DarkMorph [674] (Score:2) 02Re:My first distro was Mandrake - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 641 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:00] <exec> 08└─Mandrake was also my first distro, probably around 2000, on an old Compaq laptop. It came with KDE2 and I was literally flipping through the help menu to learn how to use the GUI itself among many other things. It was a nice distro, straightforward to get running and use in general. I'm even remembe...
[23:11:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03el_oscuro [1711] (Score:2) 02Re:SYSTEM D CLAIMS ANOTHER VICTIM - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:02] <exec> 08└─You mean they have adopted the Oracle business model?
[23:11:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:After the Mandrake buyout... - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:03] <exec> 08└─From what i remember, they started giving the finger to the community, releasing bad releases, screwing it all up basically. When the community turned away, they wondered why... ...i still miss Corel linux, lol. First distro i tried that i thought was amazing.
[23:11:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Long Live Mageia - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:05] <exec> 08└─Interesting, thanks. Mandrake was one of only two distros (the other being Puppy) that I've liked well enough to keep for very long. I'll have to give Magaia a try.... do they have screenshots anywhere? I don't see any on their site.
[23:11:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormreaver [5101] (Score:1) 02Re:Mandriva Died A Long Time Ago - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:06] <exec> 08└─...this was back in March I believe so they have already grabbed their ankles...
[23:11:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mandriva Died A Long Time Ago - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:08] <exec> 08└─To grab your ankles you have to bend over. Ok, you could bend you knees and crouch/squat, but we'll assume bending over in this case. The implication here is that you are bending over to prepare to be fucked up the arse.
[23:11:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03morgauxo [2082] (Score:2) 021998 Was the year of the Linux Desktop - 06Mandriva Gone - R.I.P. - 2205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:11:10] <exec> 08└─1998 was the year of the Linux Desktop.. at least it was for me anyway. Mandrake might as well have been my first Linux distro. Technically I started with RedHat from some install discs that came in the back of a book. Soon after though Mandrake came out and it was Mandrake that convinced me to use...
[23:11:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:0, Flamebait) 02Re:This is why people are freaked out about drones - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:11] <exec> 08└─It is likely because you walking by their house does not mean you are able to look in their back yard or over their fence. In the back yard or beyond a fence I, personally, have an expectation of privacy from government bodies and from nosy neighbors. That would be why I would be out back or behind...
[23:11:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:This is why people are freaked out about drones - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:13] <exec> 08└─Of course I live in a very wooded area about a half mile from the road so this is figurative in my case.
[23:11:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03KGIII [5261] (Score:1) 02Re:This is why people are freaked out about drones - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 899 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:14] <exec> 08└─That is why it is figurative. If I were a star and had people shooting pictures of me I would still be unhappy about it. This does not mean that it is illegal, it means that it is something that would perturb me. Just because it is legal does not mean I have to be happy about it. Just because it is...
[23:11:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03middlemen [504] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Use GPS trackers - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:16] <exec> 08└─Sorry I don't know something that has a good battery life but you should pose this question on reddit in the appropriate subreddit for RFID and GPS and other tracking devices. There you will find folks who specialize in these things and give you suggestions that are good for your problem. Maybe just...
[23:11:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Use GPS trackers - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 448 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:18] <exec> 08└─Thanks for the suggestion, I'll do that. I'll be interested to see what they say; I've experimented with location awareness in mobile apps and the GPS can be quite inaccurate, bouncing around as much as 100 yards. That's a big difference in a place with this kind of population density, meaning the G...
[23:11:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Everyone is chastising you - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 1340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:19] <exec> 08└─I am no drone expert, so plan accordingly. I figure 20 mph is not going to harm the drone, but it might depend [dronebly.com] on the model. The DJI should tolerate up to 33 mph [dji.com] and maybe more. You've probably seen videos of drones flying into clouds at 2,000 ft., around fireworks, above Ni...
[23:11:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Everyone is chastising you - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 813 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:21] <exec> 08└─Thanks, those are good considerations. I know next to nothing about RC craft, likewise drones, nor have I previously had any desire to learn more, but in this case, for this particular application, it seemed like a solution that is available and that might work (whereas surveillance cameras do not s...
[23:11:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Everyone is chastising you - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:22] <exec> 08└─If it were my personal planter troughs, no. But it's the school's (or, rather, the school PTA's). The school is a Title 1 school, which means most of its families are poor. That makes it great fodder for the news media. The school is also half a block downhill from our City Councilman's house, and h...
[23:11:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Everyone is chastising you - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:24] <exec> 08└─If you make it into the local news (for success, not arrest), post the ultimate "I told you so" submission.
[23:11:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Possible solutions - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:26] <exec> 08└─They are planter boxes. They have plants in them. There only purpose is to be outside.
[23:11:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:1) 02Re:Possible solutions - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:27] <exec> 08└─And I seriously do not think you will find your flowers in the planter. Its probably in some warehouse filled with marihuana plants by now.
[23:11:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Possible solutions - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 586 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:29] <exec> 08└─What can you effectively do to prevent the recurrence of the theft? First, don't have those boxes outside. That's the best, IMHO. Even if the boxes cannot be stolen they can be vandalized. Second, if you must have those boxes outside, nail them down. Actually, weld them to the rebar of the concrete....
[23:11:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Possible solutions - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:30] <exec> 08└─Or, maybe, we could take steps to catch thieves and punish them?
[23:11:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Possible solutions - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:32] <exec> 08└─Yes, that would be nice. But is it only your opinion, or perhaps it is supported by your local police (who seldom finds thieves,) and your Mayor [nypost.com] (who hates the police, and the feeling is mutual [huffingtonpost.com],) and the judges who operate revolving doors, and your Congressmen, and...
[23:11:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Possible solutions - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:33] <exec> 08└─So let me ask some questions to hopefully clarify the issue. If you weren't looking for a criminal, could you legally fly a drone around your neighborhood? With a camera. --I think the answer is yes. If that's true, then yes, flying around with an rc plane/drone with a camera attached...
[23:11:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Perhaps invest the money better - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:35] <exec> 08└─So you're saying he could use the drone to water the plants?
[23:11:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03caseih [2744] (Score:3, Insightful) 02The answer is no. - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 1147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:11:36] <exec> 08└─I sympathize with your need to catch a thief, but the fact that you are asking this question here tells me you have no experience in RC flight whatsoever. What you are asking for is not only legally questionable, it's irresponsible given your lack of experience. UAVs are fine for research or even pl...
[23:11:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The answer is no. - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:38] <exec> 08└─Never fly over people or buildings, never fly beyond line of sight, and never fly above 400 feet, particularly near urban areas.
[23:11:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Coligny [2200] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:The answer is no. - 06Ask Soylent: Best Long Range, Camera Drone for under $1K? - 815 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:40] <exec> 08└─great there was one sensitive post carefully explaining why a vigilante redneck who heard of them drones on fox news should not go ahead with a dreadfull plan and you need to patronize it down with bullcrap rationalisation. No, bubba shall no operate his first RC to become a one moonshiner justice m...
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[23:59:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02Re:dependency on advertising is a problem - 06The Tricky Road Ahead for Android Gets Even Trickier - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:59:45] <exec> 08└─In principle, if mozilla.org was a neutral body dedicated to helping the public, browsers could be delivered with blocking by default. But then the lobby groups of corporations and probably the govt, makes it only good enough to be a "value delivery portal". In otherwords to sell you stuff. Hence, n...
[23:59:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02agreed - but you may have missed my point - 06The Tricky Road Ahead for Android Gets Even Trickier - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:59:46] <exec> 08└─whether ad blocking could be enabled by default is orthogonal to my argument. The problem I see is that a large fraction of the world's economy depends solely on advertising. It's not hard at all to start a website then publish some self service ads on it, such as adsense. For many people this repre...
[23:59:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:2) 02Abused statistics - 06The Tricky Road Ahead for Android Gets Even Trickier - 1562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:59:48] <exec> 08└─Sure - I can completely believe that 90% of people switching to iOS are switching from Android. That's because, once you remove Apple from smartphone statistics, the market is 90% Android and Android forks. There's simply not enough Windows Phone or Blackberry users out there, period, for them to ma...
[23:59:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tramii [920] (Score:2) 02Re:Abused statistics - 06The Tricky Road Ahead for Android Gets Even Trickier - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:59:50] <exec> 08└─Guess what? If you make exactly zero profit, if your expenses exactly match your income, you will stay in business infinitely.
[23:59:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Abused statistics - 06The Tricky Road Ahead for Android Gets Even Trickier - 187 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:59:51] <exec> 08└─> If you make exactly zero profit, if your expenses exactly match your income, you will stay in business infinitely. That presumes you don't lose all your customers to some other product.