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[00:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score:2) 02Robot? - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:05:49] <exec> 08└─This appears to be a mechanized vehicle, not a robot. The presence of a 'cockpit' is one clue. Nice try, next please.
[00:06:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03mechanicjay [7] (Score:1) 02Re:Solaitre & Mind Sweeper are for interface train - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:06:10] <exec> 08└─Sorry, you do know the name is "MineSweeper" right? As in you're sweeping a mine field.
[00:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I See Folks With Long Cars and Fine Clothes - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:06:28] <exec> 08└─You're either born into it, or you find a way to convince someone or some group to give you theirs. I watch a multimillionaire receive taxpayer gifts of millions of dollars a year, pocketing record profits for himself, and then he demands his staff work harder for the same cash they already had.
[00:06:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Anecdote - 06SEC Files Suit Against ITT Educational Services for Fraud - 384 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:06:58] <exec> 08└─There are some people around here who are successful with for-profit Master's Degrees, but they all got their bachelor's at a State School or an otherwise more legit place and just need some more resume padding. ITT Tech will get you an hourly entry-level technician job making between 10 and 20 (mos...
[00:07:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The organization better prove their case - 06Trident Whistleblower: Nuclear Disaster Waiting to Happen - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:07:49] <exec> 08└─Dunno. It'd be really hard. Let's see. I can't prove the World Trade Center didn't survive the planes that were flown into it. No, wait, I can. Wow. That was really hard.
[00:08:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The underclasses are there for a reason - 06Trident Whistleblower: Nuclear Disaster Waiting to Happen - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:08:13] <exec> 08└─Tell that to the black dude who was shot in the back and then had a taser dropped by his side a few weeks back. I'm sure that, had the video footage not been recorded, that the cop's word would have been taken. America! Fuck yeah!
[00:10:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tramii [920] (Score:2) 02Re:"We want someone who can hit the ground running - 06New Tool for Employers Calculates the Full Cost of Employee Turnover - 1430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:21] <exec> 08└─A company that refuses to train their own people is a company that doesn't care about it's employees. I was never implying that a "better" company should rely on stealing trained employees. I was saying that a company should strive to be a place where people desire to work. If a company cannot keep...
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[01:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2, Interesting) 02where? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:05:49] <exec> 08└─If members of the public observe drones being used in areas which make them suspicious they should contact police using the 101 non-emergency number to report it.
[01:05:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Why not shoot them down? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:05:50] <exec> 08└─> Why not just shoot them down? "Oops I thought it was a bird." The task can surely be automated. This is England, not some third world country like the USA.
[01:05:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why not shoot them down? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:05:51] <exec> 08└─اللّهُ يَسْتَهْزِىءُ بِهِمْ وَيَمُدُّهُمْ فِي طُغْيَانِهِمْ يَعْمَهُونَ 2:15 (Asad) God will requite them for their mockery, and will leave them for a while in their overweening arrogance, blindly stumbling to and fro
[01:06:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03CortoMaltese [5244] (Score:1) 02Re:Robot? - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:00] <exec> 08└─A mecha is cool too, friend.
[01:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Robot? - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:02] <exec> 08└─A mecha is cool too, friend.
[01:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03CortoMaltese [5244] (Score:1) 02Re:Robot? - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:04] <exec> 08└─we use death row inmates
[01:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02My Project is Ready for Grading Mr. Bignose - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:06:05] <exec> 08└─project [slidesharecdn.com]
[01:06:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 371 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:13] <exec> 08└─I believe these receivers on bridges are there to measure gradual displacement and not sudden movements. Structures do move around due to stress over time, and it is difficult to measure how much moved and what direction. With GPS receivers in different places on the same structure, we can know for...
[01:06:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bogsnoticus [3982] (Score:1) 02Re:Waste of time - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:22] <exec> 08└─We shall celebrate by eating the reprocessed carcasses of those who have fallen.
[01:06:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Cured and smoked, to be blunt... - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:24] <exec> 08└─Soylent Bacon
[01:06:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Cured and smoked, to be blunt... - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:26] <exec> 08└─Soylent Bacon
[01:06:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Solaitre & Mind Sweeper are for interface train - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:06:30] <exec> 08└─D and E are so close and the same finger presses them. See, I am learning to to just type. Edit phase is still failing.
[01:06:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ryuugami [2925] (Score:2) 02I knew it - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:06:32] <exec> 08└─The company promises that its best Solitaire experts will go "head-to-head" with the public.
[01:06:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02For those who never played it - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:06:33] <exec> 08└─I am going to celebrate NOT playing Solitaire. I did try it once for about three minutes in Win98 or Win95 or Win 3.1 (can't remember which). Just too boring. What is the point of this whole exercise (except for learning to use the rodent)?
[01:08:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:MUCH more here than meets the eye - 06Is There An Interest For A Localized SoylentNews.org? - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:08:55] <exec> 08└─I didn't realise that anyone was suggesting that each page that needs to be translated on the fly is going to be submitted to Google for translation.
[01:10:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:"We want someone who can hit the ground running - 06New Tool for Employers Calculates the Full Cost of Employee Turnover - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:41] <exec> 08└─First, I was replying to the AC, not to you. Its important to follow the context of the thread. Second: Why do you think those employees left the second they got their training? In general, people don't arbitrarily switch jobs.
[01:10:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:"We want someone who can hit the ground running - 06New Tool for Employers Calculates the Full Cost of Employee Turnover - 877 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:43] <exec> 08└─They don't have any experience, all they have is training, which for all the fields I have worked in is a far cry from experience. You pay to send a green employee to school, and what you get back is a green employee lead by the hand trough some simplistic course assignments, and they are STILL just...
[01:11:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:The wuss! - 06Baton Bob Receives $20,000 Settlement For Coerced Facebook Post - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:11:49] <exec> 08└─I think I implied that. If not, nevertheless, you are correct.
[01:12:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Documented GMO harm - 06USDA Plans Voluntary GMO Labeling and Certification - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:12:08] <exec> 08└─Cool, now we have liver killing Maize in the wild that is readily eaten by worms.. I want a green giant worm that eats Monsanto and multiplies. ;)
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[02:06:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:06:23] <exec> 08└─The movements that were NORMAL for this particular bridge were rather large: that bridge moved 3.5 m laterally and 1.83 m vertically under a wind speed of 41 m/s.
[02:06:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:06:25] <exec> 08└─I agree with that part, hence my "long-term" statement. But TFA also talks about wind-related bridge movements and closures. I guess if you can get 1cm instant precision out of sats, why bother why accelerometers? But I highly doubt you get that precise of a triangulation from all major flex points...
[02:06:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:06:26] <exec> 08└─Real time integration of accelerators? Does that gear even exist? You can literally cobble together a GPS receiver chip, solar charged battery pack, and a cheap data-only cellular chip, all for under 50 bucks for the set. You don't have to even transmit ALL the movements, just the out-of-envelop mov...
[02:07:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03aclarke [2049] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't that result in a concomitant savings? - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 570 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:07:00] <exec> 08└─True, but it's the "rural folks' gasoline" that is growing food so the urban folks don't starve to death. We're both simplifying a complex problem. Believe me, I'd love to take a bus more, if the closest bus stop wasn't about 15km away. On the other hand, I work from home so I still likely burn less...
[02:07:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03aclarke [2049] (Score:2) 02Re:Double taxation - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 1287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:07:07] <exec> 08└─Well said. The first link reports that China is contributing $2.3 trillion of the $5.6 trillion annual estimate. However, this is a simplistic view of the issue, as obviously the rest of the world is outsourcing our dirty work to China. So really, it's we who are polluting in China, helping to cause...
[02:07:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03aclarke [2049] (Score:2) 02Both options are involuntary - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 1334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:07:18] <exec> 08└─You're asking the wrong questions. In both cases, there is an involuntary, forced cost. You seem to be focusing on the costs of following the IMF's policy recommendations so I'll discuss the costs of sticking with what we have. You, I, and pretty much life form on this planet for the next few thousa...
[02:08:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Dismissive - 06Trident Whistleblower: Nuclear Disaster Waiting to Happen - 1138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:08:50] <exec> 08└─I read the news on multiple sites. Not all news agencies put exactly the same spin on it, and I wanted to get the feel of the story. This seaman seems to be a cut above Bradley Manning, but still he is on thin ice. It should go without saying that a trusted member of an organization can do far more...
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[03:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Forking blockchains... - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:05:48] <exec> 08└─From TFA : Ultimately, though, the decision-making process “really comes down to how the core developers feel about it,” says Narayanan, since they are the only ones with the power to change the code.
[03:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:05:58] <exec> 08└─At first they wanted to use the pedophile tactic to make people fear drones - pedophiles are using drones to check out your kids! But the UK seems to be ok with pedophiles (at least at a government level) so now they resort to burglary as a fear tactic. Well I guess it makes a change from terrorism...
[03:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 349 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:05:59] <exec> 08└─That's pretty much what I was thinking. Well not so much the invective but the part about yet another hyped up threat that probably only happened once or maybe was just a bunch of coppers drinking and bullshitting after work one Friday, it got out of hand and by Monday it was an official threat beca...
[03:07:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:I always hate this type of analysis - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:07:11] <exec> 08└─You pay the mob, you get "protection". It's pretty much the same. The percentage of tax money that actually goes to infrastructure is statistically insignificant.
[03:07:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I always hate this type of analysis - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:07:12] <exec> 08└─> The percentage of tax money that actually goes to infrastructure is statistically insignificant. Only if you cherry-pick the most narrow possible definition of infrastructure.
[03:07:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Fee and Rebate Policy - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 904 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:07:19] <exec> 08└─From http://lessgovletsgo.org [lessgovletsgo.org] "Basically, a government would collect a tax on sales of energy, then monthly rebate equally to taxpayers the average amount of tax collected. This policy would reward those who consumed less than the average amount of energy, and discour...
[03:08:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Dismissive - 06Trident Whistleblower: Nuclear Disaster Waiting to Happen - 1487 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:08:51] <exec> 08└─No, I'm color blind. I was considered for a submarine crew, but ruled out for color vision, just as I was ruled out for aviation duty. I was very restricted in the Navy for that reason. I spent my career in supply department, on surface ships. All of that said - I'm somewhat skeptical of that bubble...
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[04:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:06:05] <exec> 08└─Which is why Rand Paul is the candidate of the future. He's looking to bring back the Big Tent while appealing to the more libertarian nature of the youth. American 'democracy' is really odd in that one party or the other dominates entire states, giving the illusion of choice. If you've in the 40% o...
[04:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:06:06] <exec> 08└─Libertarian? [thinkprogress.org]
[04:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:06:07] <exec> 08└─The most libertarian candidate America is allowed to maybe elect.
[04:06:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:06:09] <exec> 08└─Bullshit on it all. Federal elections are won by 3 things: pandering, lying and spending. Whoever strikes the best balance of those 3, will win any election.
[04:06:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 707 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:06:17] <exec> 08└─I don't get all the interest in Bitcoin these days. It's been plagued by so many scandals and scams that it's a wonder that it still lives on. Somehow, for some reason, it still makes news on a lot of tech sites; I'll never understand why. Is it impressive to anyone anymore, outside of the potential...
[04:06:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 762 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:06:19] <exec> 08└─The scandals and scams have nothing to do with Bitcoin. There are plenty of cash-based scandals and scams, and we still use cash. Mt. Gox is not Bitcoin any more than Charles Ponzi is the dollar. The only event that I could see percieving as a black mark against Bitcoin itself was a single accidenta...
[04:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:Why not shoot them down? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:06:29] <exec> 08└─Sorry that you folk surrendered your rights, and firearms. Perhaps you'll take a page from the American Rovolution? :-)
[04:06:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:Why not shoot them down? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:06:30] <exec> 08└─s/Rovolution/Revolution/ Too much Stout - sorry.
[04:06:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03lars [4376] (Score:1) 02Re:This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 350 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:06:33] <exec> 08└─If I can't afford a drone, I doubt the criminal breaking into my house can either. Should they, one would think there would be a lot of data about where the drone had been stored on it, or the computer used to control it. If anything, it would make them easier to catch, and know where they had been...
[04:06:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Balderdash [693] (Score:2) 02Battlebots - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:06:44] <exec> 08└─Battlebots. Same gig. Fancy RC car, no autonomy. I'm thinking LOGO.
[04:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Giood fun but... - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:06:45] <exec> 08└─... in the meanwhile, I already have my Class-2 rating, but where the hell is my Caterpillar P-5000 Powered Work Loader? Look, only 2 month ago I needed to put in some farm fence corner posts, ironbark wood (density 1200+kg/m^3 - that bastard wouldn't float) - I surely could make use of a powered lo...
[04:06:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:06:55] <exec> 08└─But actual failures often give zero warning, because that is how steal fails. The I35 collapse as well as the I5 collapse were very quick.
[04:08:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:What's the problem that needs solving - 06NASA Announces the 3D Printed Habitat Challenge For Moon and Mars Bases - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:08:52] <exec> 08└─Yup. Another approach would be mixing concrete from locally available materials. [wired.com]
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[05:05:51] <exec> 08└─Is treason not a crime? But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after — they should be deported or put in prison.
[05:05:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:05:52] <exec> 08└─Attending a speech is not treason no matter the content of the speech.
[05:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Michelle [4097] (Score:1) 02D&R - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:05:54] <exec> 08└─What difference does it make? They're both the same. This boat has tipped so far to the starboard it's capsizing...
[05:05:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:D&R - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:05:56] <exec> 08└─Helm to port! All hands! No!! not Jade Helm, the helm, to port!!! That's left, for you landlubbers! But since it is matter of survival, all too the port rail, and them what won't, o'er the side with 'em! They were almost gone, anyway. Call me, Ismael. This here is Queequeg. He is not a Republican.
[05:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:D&R - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:05:58] <exec> 08└─Well, I say D'nR!
[05:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Idiocy - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 2713 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:05:59] <exec> 08└─Trying to apply straight line projections in a system as chaotic as American politics is pure idiocy. The two parties always manage to seesaw back and forth even if there is the very occasional disaster like the Whigs imploding and the Republicans arising from the wreckage. Remember that it wasn't t...
[05:06:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03f4r [4515] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:06:08] <exec> 08└─I don't get all the interest in Bitcoin these days. It's been plagued by so many scandals and scams that it's a wonder that it still lives on.
[05:06:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02Re:Robot? - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 467 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:06:33] <exec> 08└─Well there's Pacific Rim [wikipedia.org]. But that's predated by Battle Clash [wikipedia.org] where it's established that two pilot mecha are superior to single-pilot mecha. Or was that the sequel, Metal Combat? Either way, Carlos, a major proponent of the single-pilot design, gets his ass kicked by...
[05:06:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:06:48] <exec> 08└─Yeah, those are seeming immune to anything but ships and wind. But cable bridges seem to get a hell of a lot of maintenance. Golden Gate has a permanent "crew" of something like 100 guys. The paint crew alone is some 35 people.
[05:06:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:06:52] <exec> 08└─Interesting! So, is it possible for an individual (sans megabucks) to construct a device to enable ~1mm real-time tracking? I'd love to locate some property lines (with corners that are not visible to one another) without paying for a survey.
[05:07:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02Re:For those who never played it - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:07:11] <exec> 08└─Some of us prefer playing solitaire with real cards and don't mind the various computer versions? Does that make me a hipster? I was playing solitaire before it was implemented in a GUI? Playing the GUI version before it was cool? I don't get it.
[05:07:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't that result in a concomitant savings? - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 1170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:07:26] <exec> 08└─There are a lot of myths about the Subsidies that the US pays to oil companies. Some are explained in a rather balanced way in this Forbes [forbes.com] article. Another take is here, which is largely the same [mic.com]. TLDR: In the US the biggest subsidies to big oil are not what you probably think...
[05:10:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Common Joe [33] (Score:2) 02Re:Difficulties with localization - 06Is There An Interest For A Localized SoylentNews.org? - 571 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:09] <exec> 08└─Piggy backing on sudo rm -rf, I'm an American living in Germany. So far, I've found that German IT people almost universally read their tech in English... usually by necessity as almost anything computer related is in English. Anything related to IT that is done in German is usually confined within...
[05:10:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not at the moment - 06Is There An Interest For A Localized SoylentNews.org? - 373 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:25] <exec> 08└─absolutely! i'd much rather have a way to show new comments on an article since the last time i read it *without* having to change the sort order. in fact how about an "Ask Soylent" post, along the lines of... The devs are going to have some time available soon, what ONE feature would you like to se...
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[06:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 958 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:05:48] <exec> 08└─1. That's part of why we do fund public research, since it allows even better things to come of those individual research goals. Considering the founders of Apple have paid their taxes, and their employees pay taxes, it sounds like the system is working just fine. 2. That's because of our royally fu...
[06:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:05:49] <exec> 08└─5. Apple Has Figured Out How to Spend Most of its Untaxed Money on Itself
[06:05:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03calzone [2181] (Score:1) 02wow - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:05:51] <exec> 08└─If this isn't textbook clickbait I don't know what is. There may be some valid points here and there, but the over-dramatized, breathless, shrieking nature of it, as it wags a finger at the clcikbaitiest of all modern corporations, is absurd. (best case scenario, someone forgot their xanax... but od...
[06:05:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Gawd, not another Common Dreams post!!! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 1052 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:05:52] <exec> 08└─So gewg_ are you just going to channel Common Dreams from now on? Yeah, we get it Corporations Evil, gewg_ sees right through their veil. Ever six months you go on some progressive hate rage, then you get back on your meds for a while. Branch out Dude! Why not some tech article, or science, maybe me...
[06:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:06:04] <exec> 08└─Which is why Rand Paul is the candidate of the future.
[06:06:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Forking blockchains... - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 564 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:06:17] <exec> 08└─The real problem it the total chain size, and bandwidth. Its been so long since I synced by bitcoin node to the network because it uses dons of space and bandwidth. Every user of the system has a copy of every single transaction ever made, and needs fast access to a lot of it. That does not scale. S...
[06:06:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Growing popularity? - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:06:21] <exec> 08└─In a test of Bitcoin's ability to adapt to its own growing popularity
[06:06:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Fighting theme already recorded. - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:06:51] <exec> 08└─https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrVELZ8BhO0 [youtube.com]
[06:07:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I always hate this type of analysis - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 464 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:07:59] <exec> 08└─It's too bad that your country's government doesn't wisely use its tax money then. The Founding Fathers rebelled against the British Crown and created the United States over taxation without representation among other things, and it looks like you really ought to consider doing the same thing today....
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[07:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:05:57] <exec> 08└─For a guy that leads off demanding a citation, how is it your next paragraph blurts out Companies have no business having that much cash on hand.
[07:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The author - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:05:59] <exec> 08└─Does the name Paul Buchheit ring a bell? I provided a link for those not familiar with his pedigree. I like his writing and, as you note, this one was bound to get a wide range of reactions. Sitting on over $100B in cash and not using it to create jobs is my big gripe with Apphole. A system that per...
[07:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"Why not some [...] science, maybe medicine?" - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:02] <exec> 08└─Y'mean like the one on Cuban meds that is still sitting in the queue? Like the one on coal-fired power plants and AGW submitted a few hours ago? The one on Pfizer's most popular pill and malaria didn't make it through the spam filter. [soylentnews.org] A little honesty from you would be welcome. --...
[07:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03forkazoo [2561] (Score:2) 02Meh - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 1256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:06:04] <exec> 08└─Apple took years of public research, and used it to create a product, and packaged the product as their own. Exactly like every other company that creates a product in the history of the world. Apple didn't bother inventing a novel Alphabet for their manuals, or a brand new set of numbers to use in...
[07:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02#3 is good, it partly counters #2 - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 477 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:06:05] <exec> 08└─More retail cost = more sales tax => good thing I may not be the most pro-capitalist person on the planet, but I'm all for this kind of a free market (as long as there's no threat of a monopoly). Alas there is an (micro)economic error in my (use of the) equation above, such that the conclusion is fa...
[07:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03unzombied [4572] (Score:1) 02Expectations of Corporations - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 926 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:06:07] <exec> 08└─This article reinforces a common delusion more than a Common Dream. Since 1919, a fundamental and frequent mistake in the US is presuming corporations are anything like human [wikipedia.org]. Believing a corporation will 1) not steal ideas, 2) be unselfish, 3) not take advantage, 4) care, or 5) shar...
[07:06:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02I see - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:06:09] <exec> 08└─I'm tempted to submit this to Slashdot so I can be popular for a day.
[07:06:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03NoMaster [3543] (Score:2) 02Goodbye, SoylentNews... - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 475 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:06:10] <exec> 08└─... it was a nice try, but I'm over it. I realise gewg_ is supposed to be the resident demi-troll contrarian who adds a bit of colour to the site, but if I wanted rants from semi-educated fuckwits I'd be sitting in the park outside my office - the one with the earnest first-year undergrads congregat...
[07:06:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:21] <exec> 08└─That attitude is only a hairswidth away from, "Viewing a website from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government is really an offense that we should be going after." Are you really ready to sign up for that kind of authoritarianism in the name of libertarianism?
[07:06:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 745 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:24] <exec> 08└─And why is that? You guys never want to ask that question. We were given a Republic, if we could keep it. We failed. We failed by one by one abandoning every principle we were supposed to be governing ourselves by over the first century We failed by allowing the Progs to finish the job, over the nex...
[07:06:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:D&R - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:28] <exec> 08└─Perhaps a D&C would be more appropriate. The problem is the republicans are losing the youth vote. If the youth won't vote for them, why should the republicans keep on sticking up for their right to life?
[07:06:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Idiocy - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 1782 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:30] <exec> 08└─Jmorris on race, education, the future. A while ago, someone commented that since it was jmorris, no citations were necessary. Now we see why. Whites a minority, OMG. Best hole up in the Twin Tetons restaurant until the whole thing blows over, or Texas secedes in order to be a majority white by the...
[07:06:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:41] <exec> 08└─HTTP is pretty much internet, and BitCoin pretty much runs on Internet. Simile FAIL. If Internet was only used for defrauding people, or as a MLM tool, or for drugs, at its inception itself, then most people would be right to avoid it. Fortunately, Internet, and even HTTP, is much more than that.
[07:06:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03f4r [4515] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:42] <exec> 08└─Yeah, that's the exact same idea I'm trying to convey with bitcoin. Do criminals use it? Yeah, but criminals also use plenty of cash too. Bitcoin is just a protocol, people are going to use and abuse it just like everything else.
[07:06:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03forkazoo [2561] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 333 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:06:44] <exec> 08└─The US twenty dollar bill has been involved in finitely more crime, scandal, scammery and skullduggery than every modern cryptocurrency put together and multiplied by ten. It'll also get you a meal almost anywhere in the world. Bitcoin is just cash, if cash were invented by a mysterious Internet per...
[07:07:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 350 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:07:31] <exec> 08└─Nah, centimeter scale is getting withing reach, but not milometer scale. That is still very spendy. http://gpsworld.com [gpsworld.com] The thing is, the longer you can leave a receiver in one place the better fix you get, withi...
[07:07:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:07:32] <exec> 08└─You do realize that ordinary GPS receivers have an accuracy on the order of a few metres with WAAS, right? If you want centimetre resolution, you'll have to do more than just cobble together a few dozens of bucks worth of off-the-shelf gadgets.
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[08:05:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:05:54] <exec> 08└─3. It's Apple's right to sell their products at a price they choose. It's your right to not buy them.
[08:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Re:Gawd, not another Common Dreams post!!! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:06:01] <exec> 08└─Well, you can't blame gewg_ for submitting what he thinks is important. Maybe the editors should select more carefully what to put on the front page.
[08:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"Corporations exist to make money" - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:06:06] <exec> 08└─*SOME* corporations exist to make money. Let me remind you that S/N tried to become a B-corporation. Your focus could use a little broadening. (I have more than enough cynicism for the both of us.) -- gewg_
[08:06:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I see - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:06:08] <exec> 08└─I'm tempted to submit this to Slashdot so I can be popular for a day.
[08:06:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Submission to the other site - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:06:10] <exec> 08└─You're welcome. 8-) -- gewg_
[08:06:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Goodbye, SoylentNews... - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:06:12] <exec> 08└─I realise gewg_ is supposed to be the resident demi-troll contrarian who adds a bit of colour to the site, but if I wanted rants from semi-educated fuckwits I'd be sitting in the park outside my office -
[08:06:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Oh, dear - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:06:13] <exec> 08└─What we ever do without all your invaluable submissions? [google.com] -- gewg_
[08:06:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Compass - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:06:15] <exec> 08└─blockquote>Apple's View: The tax-avoiding, research-appropriating, cost-escalating, wage-minimizing, self-enriching Apple Corporation has, according to CEO Tim Cook,[1] a very strong moral compass. Is there any indication that they don't have one? A compass is there just to allow you to see whether...
[08:07:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why not shoot them down? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:07:02] <exec> 08└─You mean, surrendering your rights but keeping the firearms?
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[09:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:06:05] <exec> 08└─The purchase, sale, and owning of human beings was also a right people once had. Having a right does not make it any less evil.
[09:06:07] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03frojack [1554] 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 146 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:06:07] <exec> 08└─For a guy that leads off demanding a citation, how is it your next paragraph blurts out Companies have no business having that much cash on hand.
[09:06:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondrake [2658] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Gawd, not another Common Dreams post!!! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 667 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:06:14] <exec> 08└─I agree that the article is a bit silly, besides Apple can only "plunder" because people are stupid. But are too many people here inferring that because SN post the story the editor and submitter agree with it. To me, the story just indicates that the author, and perhaps the original website, want t...
[09:06:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Gawd, not another Common Dreams post!!! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:06:15] <exec> 08└─Agreed, I've taken steps back from SN because the discussions often seem to lack reflective discussion; a quality that this site was built to protect. Obviously humans being humans will always acquire some amount of friction, but I have found a large degree of polarized opinions and emotion thrown a...
[09:06:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aichon [5059] (Score:2) 02"Plundering"? It's just called "doing business"... - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:06:26] <exec> 08└─An emotional response to any criticism of the Apple Corporation
[09:06:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02"The Way Of The Plunderer" - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 759 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:06:27] <exec> 08└─In 2003, the documentary movie "The Corporation" was released. Well worth the watch, highly recommended. In one segment, the then-CEO of the world's largest commercial carpet manufacturer Ray Anderson talked about the ethics of using limited natural resources purely for short-term profit. I can't re...
[09:06:49] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03aristarchus [2645] 02Re:Idiocy - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 1782 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:06:49] <exec> 08└─Jmorris on race, education, the future. A while ago, someone commented that since it was jmorris, no citations were necessary. Now we see why. Whites a minority, OMG. Best hole up in the Twin Tetons restaurant until the whole thing blows over, or Texas secedes in order to be a majority white by the...
[09:07:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 819 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:07:05] <exec> 08└─The US twenty dollar bill has also been around *quite* a bit longer than all those crypto-currencies. Aside from that, and I could be wrong, but I have serious reservations about the thought that if Bank of America were to randomly claim that everyone's money had disappeared for [insert reason here]...
[09:10:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:MUCH more here than meets the eye - 06Is There An Interest For A Localized SoylentNews.org? - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:10:52] <exec> 08└─Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood. However, we seem to be agreed that the task doesn't justify the effort at present.
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[10:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Predict or postdict? - 06Forecasting Future Infectious Disease Outbreaks. - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:06:05] <exec> 08└─The team developed a model that was able to predict known rodent reservoir species with 90% accuracy
[10:06:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:06:15] <exec> 08└─So, yeah, apparently the threshold for gouging somebody for a $650 product is somewhere around $256.52.
[10:06:35] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Oh, dear - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 78 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:06:35] <exec> 08└─What we ever do without all your invaluable submissions? [google.com] -- gewg_
[10:06:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aichon [5059] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh, dear - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 1321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:06:36] <exec> 08└─You're treating this as an e-peen contest, with the result being that you're missing the point entirely. Besides, even if it were a contest, this is a community-driven site for which there are numerous ways to contribute, such as by providing highly-rated comments as he did on a semi-regular basis [...
[10:06:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oh, dear - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:06:37] <exec> 08└─you're missing the point entirely No, I was being silly. GMAFB. Do you get bonus points for driving folks away with your submissions? Absolutely! Right now, my karma is... Oh, wait... -- gewg_
[10:06:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Hey! Somebody RTFA! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 1308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:06:41] <exec> 08└─3. [...] Veblen goods It's such a common concept, it has multiple names. Giffen goods [wikipedia.org] 4. [...] the anti-poaching thing Now, -this- is the kind of stuff I was hoping to see. Apple's assertion to have "created or supported" over 1M jobs in America Now, how many MORE jobs could have bee...
[10:07:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 431 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:07:18] <exec> 08└─Not "just like" anything else, but "more than" anything else. Because it's so easy. I'm not anti-bitcoin. I'm anti-the-current-state-of-bitcoin. The bitcoin project's bug trackers are probably filled with lots of new technical issues like the one mentioned in the summary, but the biggest bug of all...
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[11:06:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 707 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:22] <exec> 08└─Really, seriously, I don't see a problem, other than a specific AC complaining. Some posts get modded one way, or another, but it all rounds out in the end. I do think that some, hell, even myself at some points, wish for the ability to mod posters off the site, forever, with double secret probatio...
[11:06:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marneus68 [3572] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Mostly working now - 06Moderation Roundtable - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:23] <exec> 08└─While I wait for any evidence of the contrary, I think the way the moderation is handled on the site is working fine now. I really the way it works.
[11:06:24] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] 02citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 203 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:25] <exec> 08└─I believe I have previously asked the moderation with a citation (s) might be a useful addition that I have not seen on other sites. E.g. If I mod a comment -1 disagree, it might help to give a hint why?
[11:06:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03pnkwarhall [4558] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:27] <exec> 08└─From my current understanding of the mod system, nothing keeps you from commenting in a thread you've moderated. It doesn't un-do your moderation if you comment. So mod 'disagree', then leave the comment explaining why.
[11:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:29] <exec> 08└─is this the preferred method? Fair enough, but I try not to comment on threads I moderate - it seems self serving. A citation would be a passive guidance that "this document is informative", rather than "this comment is disagreeing".
[11:06:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03engblom [556] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 937 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:31] <exec> 08└─Personally, I find everything having to do with "disagree" modding to be wrong. If the original poster is not a troll, let the original post be and make an own post refuting his arguments! If you have good arguments, you get modded up, if the original poster had good argument, he gets modded up. I f...
[11:06:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03engblom [556] (Score:2) 02I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:33] <exec> 08└─I want to be able to form an own opinion rather than getting just one side. For getting just "one side", the article is enough, or any blog linking to an article. My opinion is that visitors should learn as much as possible by reading the comments. Currently, an interesting post might get several ti...
[11:06:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marneus68 [3572] (Score:2) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:36] <exec> 08└─While I see where you're coming from, I'm not sure this is a viable proposal. It looks good on paper, but it doesn't take time in consideration. A better, more researched and in-depth comment, taking much more time to be written, will inevitably end up lower on the scale your propose since the artic...
[11:06:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03engblom [556] (Score:2) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 435 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:38] <exec> 08└─Isn't what you describe a problem existing already now? I mean if discussions have begun on a topic, the almost only way to get your response visible is to reply to another comment rather than posting a new comment. I have several times seen comments being offtopic to comment threads. My proposal do...
[11:06:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:40] <exec> 08└─I'll find the current moderation system to be fine. But that doesn't exclude anyone else from having a problem. Just my personal experience.
[11:06:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 10022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:41] <exec> 08└─If you see unfairly modded post, mod it. If you see AC whine about moderation, remember these: http://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] http://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] http://soylentnews.org [soy...
[11:06:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:43] <exec> 08└─Which means Anonymous Coward may have something interesting to say but on messing around the big club should be used right away. Kind of like whack-a-mole for the bad AC posts.
[11:06:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:45] <exec> 08└─Thanks for the memories! Those are some hilarious comments. And only half of them are mine!
[11:06:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Filter error: Please enter a Subject. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 625 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:46] <exec> 08└─My only real issue is the correction of bad downmods. Specifically, it offends my OCD to moderate something "Insightful", "Informative", etc. when in reality I think it's not particularly insightful or informative; rather, I think it was unfairly downmodded. "Underrated" bugs me too, since then you...
[11:06:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:Filter error: Please enter a Subject. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:48] <exec> 08└─My only real issue is the correction of bad downmods. Specifically, it offends my OCD to moderate something "Insightful", "Informative", etc. when in reality I think it's not particularly insightful or informative; rather, I think it was unfairly downmodded. "Underrated" bugs me too, since then you...
[11:06:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Round Table like a Cheese Wheel - 06Moderation Roundtable - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:50] <exec> 08└─Old, pungent, and surrounded by filthy rats. I like my cheese like I like my snack cake filling: white, creamy, and fresh out of the penis.
[11:06:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02also agree moderation is fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 736 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:51] <exec> 08└─I'd like to chime in with the others and say that I think the current moderation system is just fine. I highly suspect the AC who has been whining about moderation is a certain known troll elsewhere who for whatever reason thought s/he'd get their warped posts upmodded here, and I'm fairly certian s...
[11:06:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02Re:also agree moderation is fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:53] <exec> 08└─Correction. Haven't had my coffee yet. Not all of the links above are the personality I'm suspecting.
[11:06:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:also agree moderation is fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:06:55] <exec> 08└─What is your opinion on the practice of feeding kosher coffee to young girls?
[11:06:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03pTamok [3042] (Score:1) 02I don't see a problem - 06Moderation Roundtable - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:06:56] <exec> 08└─In my experience on the site, I don't see a problem with the current modding approach. It's working well enough. Remember that best is the enemy of good. However, I do appreciate other people may see things differently, so if I have missed something, I apologise.
[11:07:11] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] 02Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 958 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:07:12] <exec> 08└─1. That's part of why we do fund public research, since it allows even better things to come of those individual research goals. Considering the founders of Apple have paid their taxes, and their employees pay taxes, it sounds like the system is working just fine. 2. That's because of our royally fu...
[11:07:17] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03calzone [2181] 02wow - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 339 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:07:18] <exec> 08└─If this isn't textbook clickbait I don't know what is. There may be some valid points here and there, but the over-dramatized, breathless, shrieking nature of it, as it wags a finger at the clcikbaitiest of all modern corporations, is absurd. (best case scenario, someone forgot their xanax... but od...
[11:07:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03BasilBrush [3994] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh, dear - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:07:37] <exec> 08└─Presumably you have a positive Karma because you don't log in when you write trolling shit like this. And can't get modded down for the braindead submissions you post either.
[11:07:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aichon [5059] (Score:2) 02Re:Hey! Somebody RTFA! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 3031 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:07:41] <exec> 08└─I find your idea—that there is something inherently wrong about Apple sitting on such a larger cash horde—to be significantly more interesting than anything the article had to offer on the subject. The article took a lot of arguments that apply across industries as a whole and then singled Apple...
[11:07:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02Exploiting open source - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 1191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:07:43] <exec> 08└─I figured the angle of making billions by exploiting what is now called "open source" (since the term "free software" is too ideological for corporations) from Apple, Google, and others would be more important. These corporations make their billions while exploiting projects that don't get funded en...
[11:08:13] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03JNCF [4317] 02Forking blockchains... - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 205 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:08:14] <exec> 08└─From TFA : Ultimately, though, the decision-making process “really comes down to how the core developers feel about it,” says Narayanan, since they are the only ones with the power to change the code.
[11:08:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03BasilBrush [3994] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:08:18] <exec> 08└─It's as revolutionary as the Segway.
[11:10:11] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03aristarchus [2645] 02Re:I always hate this type of analysis - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 60 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:10:12] <exec> 08└─The difference between extortion and involuntary taxation is
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[12:05:55] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03aristarchus [2645] 02Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 707 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:05:55] <exec> 08└─Really, seriously, I don't see a problem, other than a specific AC complaining. Some posts get modded one way, or another, but it all rounds out in the end. I do think that some, hell, even myself at some points, wish for the ability to mod posters off the site, forever, with double secret probatio...
[12:05:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:05:56] <exec> 08└─Well it means that the modbomber we've had here of late will only need to mod down 11 times to drop someone to plus 1, I would say that is a problem.
[12:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondrake [2658] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:05:57] <exec> 08└─huh? I do not think you can reduce someone's karma by downmodding, unless you use the spam mod. Care to explain? And what is the evidence for a modbomber?
[12:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mostly working now - 06Moderation Roundtable - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:00] <exec> 08└─> I really the way it works. I also the way it works.
[12:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:05] <exec> 08└─Disagree modding is going to lead to a lot of tension simply because any situation where one person is saying another person is wrong is by it's very nature confrontational. Nothing we can do about that, I prefer using replies myself and think that encouraging debate is probably a better direction t...
[12:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Disagree = letting off steam - 06Moderation Roundtable - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:07] <exec> 08└─I think the point of disagree is to offer people a way to let off steam, when they see a post they virulently disagree with. It's a better option than "Troll", which is what they might otherwise choose.
[12:06:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:10] <exec> 08└─People who get the earlier comments in will naturally receive more moderation simply because more people will see what they say with less competition for the reader's mod points. That's perfectly natural and I wouldn't say it was a "problem", more a "home truth".
[12:06:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 583 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:12] <exec> 08└─I disagree. That way, any post with just 4 proponents will get highest rating, even if it is offensive,racist,brainless shit only supported by these 5 people and no-one else Even without these extreme cases, I think there are enough cases where a comment is halfway ok, marked hyper-clever by a minor...
[12:06:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondrake [2658] (Score:2) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 1197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:13] <exec> 08└─There should not be "sides" at all in down-modding. The comment is either troll/flamebait or you mod disagree, which does not lower the score. Of course, some posts make a flamebait remark and then say something insightful, which makes it hard to evaluate and causes conflicting mods. And everyone is...
[12:06:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02The numerical value of the moderation ratings? - 06Moderation Roundtable - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:06:24] <exec> 08└─Could someone tell us how many points up or down these moderation ratings produce? Normal Insightful Interesting Informative Funny Touché ...
[12:06:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Seems fine. Need more reading at 0, though. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 1626 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:06:26] <exec> 08└─The current set of tweaks to the mod system seem to work fine. Giving everybody points daily takes away some of the "MUST USE POINTS" pressure, which makes moderation more enjoyable, especially combined with the post-and-mod system. Moderation is something you can do while reading, if something is i...
[12:06:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Suggestion - 06Moderation Roundtable - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:06:28] <exec> 08└─Would it be feasible to allow the poster of a comment a special ability to mod immediate replies to that comment something like "fair point" or "accepted", giving a clear way for everyone to see that a criticism, correction or argument has been graciously accepted? The aim is to make it immediately...
[12:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02+1 Troll option? 0 Offtopic? - 06Moderation Roundtable - 795 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:06:29] <exec> 08└─Sometimes I feel it would be useful to have the rating separated from the verdict. Trolling is not always a bad thing, there are some intellectually really appealing troll posts sometimes which I would really like to mod "+1 Troll" or "+1 Flaimbait". This is a minority of troll posts, of course. Als...
[12:06:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:52] <exec> 08└─That's called 100% profit. And it makes sense.
[12:06:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:54] <exec> 08└─This just in, breathing is evil. Back to you Lewis.
[12:06:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:06:56] <exec> 08└─the legal requirement for a company to maximize its return to shareholders
[12:07:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The author - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:07:02] <exec> 08└─How exactly do you propose to take money and "create" jobs without affecting the profitability of Apple?
[12:07:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I *always* start at zero - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:07:20] <exec> 08└─you [...] can't get modded down You can't possibly be that stupid. (Watch that get mod'd down, moron.) -- gewg_
[12:07:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hey! Somebody RTFA! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 2685 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:07:25] <exec> 08└─cash [...] repatriated Now, how did that get to cross a national border so easily in the first place? Labor can't do that easily. Capital? No problem! When I was a kid and the teacher drew a 3-legged stool on the cave wall, it was explained that it represented Capitalism|the workplace. The legs were...
[12:07:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Do you pay taxes? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:07:28] <exec> 08└─Gewg, do you pay taxes? And if so, when you figure out how much to pay, what morals and ideals do you use when you fill out the forms?
[12:07:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:07:45] <exec> 08└─the only possible solution must come from a rebirth of public morality, civic education and involvement.
[12:07:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02This concept isn't really new - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:07:52] <exec> 08└─As in, the Democratic Party establishment is counting on these demographic shifts to propel them to victory in about 10 years over the GOP, while they continue to do the bidding of their puppet masters on Wall Street. The exemplar of that kind of thinking is Hillary Clinton's campaign, which is busy...
[12:08:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Battlebots - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:08:41] <exec> 08└─Lego RC car? Thats VEX robotics. My kids did that at school this year. I think its a cultural shift where there is no word or phrase anymore for what used to be a robot. Its weird to know about stuff for which there is no longer a word for it, like doublespeak and all that. "Oh thats not a robot bec...
[12:08:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02More like Baltimore - 06Giant Fighting Robots at Maker Faire - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:08:44] <exec> 08└─The idea of squads of these monsters battling to the death in football arenas is just too good not to happen.
[12:09:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Double taxation - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:09:47] <exec> 08└─These people aren't necessarily causing the problem, but they pay disproportionately more for its effects.
[12:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:I always hate this type of analysis - 06Governments Gift Fossil Fuel Companies $10M/Minute - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:10:02] <exec> 08└─Every brunette would be *very* encouraged to bleach their hair blond under your scheme. If the two are really different, perhaps you can tell be the value of x for which f(x) and g(x) are different here: f(x) := 0 if (x \in subset), else tax. g(x) := tax - g'(x) g'(x) := subsidy if (x \in subset), e...
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[13:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:3, Insightful) 02This is not the correct approach - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:06] <exec> 08└─When a child is suicidal, quite commonly the reason is abuse at the hands of their parents. Notifying the parents that their child is trying to find a way out is not likely to yield the desired response.
[13:06:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It's Super Effective! - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:07] <exec> 08└─'su1c1de', 'pergnancy' and 'b_u_lly'
[13:06:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:25] <exec> 08└─I try not to comment on threads I moderate - it seems self serving.
[13:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 361 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:28] <exec> 08└─I find the "disagree" option also a bit pointless, but since it's actually "0 disagree" and not "-1 disagree", I consider it harmless. Receiving a "disagree" moderation is something I actually perceive as a flattery, as it shows I had something non-obvious to say that hit a nerve somehow, and yet ot...
[13:06:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:30] <exec> 08└─I thought we had that handled by restricting "wrong" mods to people who have actually commented in the thread? For example, as I post this I don't have the option to mod you incorrect.
[13:06:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:32] <exec> 08└─Oops. Actually, I did have "disagree" before my post. Please mark my previous one "disagree" :P Wasn't that a proposed solution at some point, though?
[13:06:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:43] <exec> 08└─Know what's more important than futzing with the moderation system more? Fixing the busted-ass "read more" feature. AC posted a 142 line comment and it got truncated at 140 lines, but then added "Read the rest of this comment..." for a net savings of one line. About the only way it could be more use...
[13:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Filter error: Please enter a Subject. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:46] <exec> 08└─since then you get things like "Score: 2 (Troll)".
[13:06:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:The numerical value of the moderation ratings? - 06Moderation Roundtable - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:53] <exec> 08└─Last I checked, the points were: 0 - Normal, Disagree +1 - Insightful, Interesting, Informative, Funny, Touche, Underrated -1 - Overrated, Offtopic, Redundant, Flamebait, Troll, Spam At times in the past, Funny has given the post a +1 but not given +1 to karma, I'm not sure if that's still true.
[13:06:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Suggestion - 06Moderation Roundtable - 2160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:56] <exec> 08└─What I particularly like about this comment is not so much its content (I have no strong opinion on that topic although its at least somewhat interesting) but the idea that we've had about 10 posts all summarizing to "moderation doesn't seem broke so admins please don't waste your time by prioritize...
[13:06:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:+1 Troll option? 0 Offtopic? - 06Moderation Roundtable - 754 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:58] <exec> 08└─For trolling to be sometimes considered a 'good thing' means defining what you mean by trolling. If someone says something that is counter to everyone else's viewpoint but is worth further consideration - then it is surely 'Interesting'. If they have identified something that others have missed, th...
[13:06:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02So far so good - 06Moderation Roundtable - 1466 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:07:00] <exec> 08└─So far so good. I get mod points every day and I spend a few here and there. Though, one thing that Slashdot did right was meta modding. Suggestion: As another poster mentioned, a method to undo a bad mod or tag a bad mod. Tagged mods go into a meta list for the article itself. This way a mod can di...
[13:07:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03hubie [1068] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Require -1 browsing to mod - 06Moderation Roundtable - 775 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:07:01] <exec> 08└─I think this is pretty important. If you're not browsing at -1 to see all comments, then I don't think your moderation drop-down boxes should be visible. You can't correct abusive mods if you don't see them, and you can't promote good AC comments if you don't see them. You otherwise introduce select...
[13:07:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Don't give too much credit . . . - 06Belgium's Privacy Protection Commission Urges Users to Protect Against Facebook Tracking - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:07:08] <exec> 08└─Perhaps kaszz meant the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
[13:07:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02U know what else need protection from FB? - 06Belgium's Privacy Protection Commission Urges Users to Protect Against Facebook Tracking - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:07:09] <exec> 08└─Chocolate, French fries and monsieur 'Ercule Poirot. Ah, and of course the Hoegaarden wheet beer.
[13:07:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03sudo rm -rf [2357] (Score:2) 02Re:Predict or postdict? - 06Forecasting Future Infectious Disease Outbreaks. - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:17] <exec> 08└─Maybe the wording is a bit weird, but a model *does* predict an outcome, and when the result includes already known species to a high accuracy, it can be assumed it is well enough to extrapolate this accuracy to the other 200 reservoir species. The model allows you to narrow the search.
[13:07:44] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03moondrake [2658] 02Re:Gawd, not another Common Dreams post!!! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 667 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:44] <exec> 08└─I agree that the article is a bit silly, besides Apple can only "plunder" because people are stupid. But are too many people here inferring that because SN post the story the editor and submitter agree with it. To me, the story just indicates that the author, and perhaps the original website, want t...
[13:07:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Gawd, not another Common Dreams post!!! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:46] <exec> 08└─And, plus, if the rest of SN that wants to see more articles of a different sort don't submit them to SN, then they gets what they gets. It's an every day sort of task. If you see an interesting article on some other site you frequent that you think would lead to interesting discussion on SN, then s...
[13:08:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:"Plundering"? It's just called "doing business" - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:06] <exec> 08└─3. Overcharging Customers Things are worth what people are willing to pay. Price gouging for necessities during a crisis is something that most folks would consider wrong. Charging a premium price for a luxury item that's marketed as such? Not wrong.
[13:08:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score:2) 02Re:Exploiting open source - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:09] <exec> 08└─I figured the angle of making billions by exploiting what is now called "open source" (since the term "free software" is too ideological for corporations)
[13:08:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Exploiting open source - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:11] <exec> 08└─2. Even After Taking Our Research, Apple Does Everything in its Power to Avoid Taxes
[13:08:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Idiocy - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 2478 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:36] <exec> 08└─Do you actually have anything on "what happens if they start 80-90%+ block voting like the other minority groups in a pure winner take all fight" other than what boils down to they aren't doing it now? Whats interesting to look it is the hidden assumptions that you both believe in. Multiculturalism...
[13:09:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03quadrox [315] (Score:2) 02Re:This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 828 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:12] <exec> 08└─wow, what a load of un-insightful crap. 1) Thieves and burglars do what they do because it is easer than real work. This doesn't necessarily mean that they make more money than , but the smart ones probably will. 2) Why ever would the drone store any data about where it has been or something like th...
[13:10:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Pysol - 06 A Solitaire Tournament to Celebrate 25 Years of Wasting Time - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:09] <exec> 08└─I mentioned Pysol in the dept name, but for anyone who doesn't know it, PysolFC [sourceforge.net] is the best solitaire game out there. It's, free (beer and source), as well as having over 1000 solitaire game variations, and nice customizations.
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[14:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02which is more insulting? - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 1557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:53] <exec> 08└─Which is more insulting, the idea that parents are so incompetent that they've raised young adults that need to be treated like babies and their parenting skills are so bad they can not only be replaced but improved upon by a small shell script, or that young adults who've grown up with big brothers...
[14:05:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:which is more insulting? - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:54] <exec> 08└─> make fun of cultural differences Yeah, because nobody in the USA ever had some equally stupid "think of the children" plan.
[14:05:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How to bully a Korean teen with this app - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 277 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:56] <exec> 08└─So with this app, all you need to do in order to bully a Korean teen is to send them messages containing the word "bully". Or any other word on the list, whichever causes the most damage for the victim. Remember, you don't have control over the content of messages you receive.
[14:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02simple workaround to school content filter - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 535 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:57] <exec> 08└─Yes a content filter is quite a different thing from this spyware. My point is to illustrate how simple it can be to defeat technology that is not well thought out. There was a content filter that would defeat domain names that were on a specific blacklist. So rather then entering "soylentnews.xxx"...
[14:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] (Score:2) 02Korea has always been like this - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 1417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:59] <exec> 08└─This is just how Koreans are. It is the most Confucian country on earth, and some of the main tenets of Confucianism are fidelities. In practical terms, that translates into "do whatever your parents/teachers/government/males tell you no matter what". Koreans are very authoritarian. The students spe...
[14:06:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:11] <exec> 08└─On Slashdot, you certainly lost Karma on downmods. I'm not aware of any change of that for SoylentNews, but I may have missed the change announcement.
[14:06:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 385 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:18] <exec> 08└─Occasionally I mod up the comment I'm replying to, so it doesn't look like I'm talking to myself. :) I figure if a comment is worth replying to, it's worth having more people see it, and if it's at zero it's hidden from a lot of folks. So I find this to be a really useful feature of our current mode...
[14:06:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Disagree = letting off steam - 06Moderation Roundtable - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:22] <exec> 08└─That and giving a democratic hint when someone else has already posted your preferred rebuttal. You can understand why someone posted what they did, but they're still wrong and highlighting that context(without penalizing them) for the conversation is handy.
[14:06:36] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Marand [1081] 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 351 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:36] <exec> 08└─Know what's more important than futzing with the moderation system more? Fixing the busted-ass "read more" feature. AC posted a 142 line comment and it got truncated at 140 lines, but then added "Read the rest of this comment..." for a net savings of one line. About the only way it could be more use...
[14:06:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:37] <exec> 08└─I fully agree. I think there should be two values: A minimum amount of text always shown, and a minimum amount of additional text before the "read more" mechanism kicks in. Both could be user configurable, but need sane defaults.
[14:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:also agree moderation is fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:45] <exec> 08└─This AC does not care one way or another. Up or down it. My opinion is my own. I am not looking for praise or disdain.
[14:06:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:So far so good - 06Moderation Roundtable - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:56] <exec> 08└─Sounds like this scheme has the possibility for organised groups to effectively silence opponents using the metamodding system. You'd need a metametamod system to handle that....
[14:06:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:3, Insightful) 02It's working fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 534 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:06:58] <exec> 08└─My own view is that the moderation system is working OK as it is. Unless someone comes up with a really smart idea in the comments here, then I would be content to leave the mod system alone. There is a problem with ACs occasionally running amok but nothing I have seen suggested will correct that pr...
[14:07:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:U know what else need protection from FB? - 06Belgium's Privacy Protection Commission Urges Users to Protect Against Facebook Tracking - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:08] <exec> 08└─And waffles. Don't forget waffles.
[14:07:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02"WHY do they call these French Fries?" - 06Belgium's Privacy Protection Commission Urges Users to Protect Against Facebook Tracking - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:09] <exec> 08└─"They're BELGIAN!" -- Philippe Bossut, my manager at Live Picture.
[14:07:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Predict or postdict? - 06Forecasting Future Infectious Disease Outbreaks. - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:19] <exec> 08└─Perhaps, it says they used 80% of the data for training and 20% for testing though. And anyone who has done this type of thing knows you try out different approaches to see how good of results you can get. I think you have to wait for new data before getting excited. Kudos to them for putting the pr...
[14:07:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 571 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:35] <exec> 08└─To take it a step further lets say you run a company that has coal plants. It is in your fiduciary duty to make sure your company is not sued. That means giving funding for things like clean up and not polluting. If your company is sued because of lack of funding for programs in your company you fai...
[14:07:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03morgauxo [2082] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:36] <exec> 08└─How are you not contradicting yourself from point 1 to point 2?
[14:07:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:37] <exec> 08└─Both are playing by the rules.
[14:07:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:41] <exec> 08└─Says who? Do you know what Apple has up their sleeves? What new developments are they funding? Or are they just hunkering down and planning to survive another 20 year drop in business now that Jobs is gone and Android is eating their lunch.
[14:07:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The author - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:45] <exec> 08└─Profitable new ventures?
[14:07:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Expectations of Corporations - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:56] <exec> 08└─Corporations exist to make money Which is why I put my money into them. My other choice is to leave my money in a bank and 0% interest. Then let inflation eat the value. Or buy yet another bobble I dont care about. That money is going to help me live 'ok' during my retirement when I cant move very w...
[14:08:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Goodbye, SoylentNews... - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 597 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:07] <exec> 08└─gewg articles make it to the front page not because there's some grand editorial conspiracy to "spice it up," but because he submits articles. If people want more of different sorts of articles, they should submit them. I check the queue every morning and if there are fewer than 20 in it I make the...
[14:08:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Re:Hey! Somebody RTFA! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:13] <exec> 08└─Stop conflating FDR's confiscatory economic policies with the fact that Europe, the USSR, and east Asia were wastelands. America had the only factories left, and boomed because there was no competition.
[14:08:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Exploiting open source - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:19] <exec> 08└─I don't think the free software movement in the 1980s and 1990s ever anticipated walled gardens being built on top of their software, or else the licenses would have been structured to stop something like this from happening.
[14:08:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Forking blockchains... - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 1066 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:53] <exec> 08└─I don't think that every end-user needs their own full copy of the blockchain locally stored. You can store your private keys offline but use public APIs (accessed from a different computer) for queries and transaction propgations. A signed transaction can be safely propogated to an untrusted Bitcoi...
[14:09:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:2) 02Re:This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:21] <exec> 08└─If I can't afford a drone, I doubt the criminal breaking into my house can either.
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[15:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:05:48] <exec> 08└─... or government subsidized housing, medicaid and so on. I'd like to see a law passed that would penalize employers for paying their employees less than what they require to afford their own food purchases. That is, rather than explicitly raise the minimum wage, levy a fee on employers whose employ...
[15:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 737 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:05:49] <exec> 08└─When minimum wage increased my rent went up and the price of everything increased. Why would this be any different. Businesses will adjust to the higher costs by increasing prices. Landlords will adjust to tenants and potential tenants with higher incomes by increasing rent prices. I said this befor...
[15:05:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02How many hours do you work to afford a Big Mac? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 367 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:05:51] <exec> 08└─Look up The Big Mac index. Those who reside in countries with higher minimum wages typically work fewer hours to afford a meal. While you will cost your employer more money if the minimum wage is increased, you will also have more disposable income. You'll be able to spend money on things that you o...
[15:05:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 893 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:05:52] <exec> 08└─Basically everyone will "price in" the new amount, and it won't really help. I know that Wal-Mart tracks purchases by minimum-wage workers, because I've seen articles over the years about how they stock their stores and know when peak demand will be at the times when these people get paid and when t...
[15:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:05:54] <exec> 08└─Unless the minimum wage salary rises faster than prices?
[15:05:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Drop in the bucket - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:05:56] <exec> 08└─A billion of extra costs to business is a drop in the bucket relative to all the local and real estate taxes collected.
[15:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Sounds very inflationary - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:05:57] <exec> 08└─Prices and wages are going UP. Might be a good time to speculate in residential real estate in those cities - look for a marginally upscale neighborhood.
[15:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sounds very inflationary - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:05:59] <exec> 08└─> look for a marginally upscale neighborhood. That's where all the minimum wage earners are going to flock when they get their first jackpot paycheck.
[15:06:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:2) 02Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:06:01] <exec> 08└─There might be some, but if so, it won't be a lot. That's because all the low-wage jobs that could be easily outsourced have already been outsourced. What's left is the jobs that have to be done locally: dishwashers, hotel maids, janitors, etc.
[15:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:02] <exec> 08└─There are 2 other factors for why the Econ 101 answer of "higher wages means less employment" is wrong: - If the business could manage with fewer workers, they would already have done so. - Increased worker wages means increased worker purchasing power means (potentially) increased sales, which give...
[15:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 1707 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:04] <exec> 08└─what we will see is bellyaching by companies who easily can afford to pay workers a living wage but will use this as an EXCUSE to downsize or outsoruce. like the 'papa john' assclown who makes billions from pizza (if you can all what they make 'pizza') and yet threw a hissy fit after obamacare was c...
[15:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03CRCulver [4390] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 847 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:05] <exec> 08└─I wonder if there is a way around paying a higher wage to local hotel maids, dishwashers, etc. When I went to graduate school in Finland, I occasionally took cleaning jobs because there wasn't much else I could do until I learned the language. Since Finland has much higher wages for such unskilled d...
[15:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 319 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:07] <exec> 08└─Businesses can close, or move offices and plants elsewhere. In particular, fast food chains that compete at the very low end like BK and Taco Bell will be under tremendous pressure. The difference between a $7 and $10 meal check at a competitor today matters more the difference between $11 and $14 f...
[15:06:08] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] 02This is not the correct approach - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 203 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:06:09] <exec> 08└─When a child is suicidal, quite commonly the reason is abuse at the hands of their parents. Notifying the parents that their child is trying to find a way out is not likely to yield the desired response.
[15:06:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:It's Super Effective! - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 661 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:11] <exec> 08└─On search terms, those will not be effective because the search engine will likely not recognize them either. Anyway, just that search term appearing does not need to say anything. For example, when "bully" appears in the search terms, it might have been a search for any [wikipedia.org] of [wikipedi...
[15:06:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Korea has always been like this - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:17] <exec> 08└─Koreans have a horribly demented respect for authority. Telling youths to install spyware on their phones is almost tame by comparison. Blaming this on North Korean influence is absurd.
[15:06:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Sounds like something North Korea might do - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:06:19] <exec> 08└─What a fucked up requirement!
[15:06:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Re:Mostly working now - 06Moderation Roundtable - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:32] <exec> 08└─I agree. I could foresee problems in the future if the site gains orders of magnitude more traffic, but then the conversation could be reopened then. Currently the largest issue I see is a lack of moderation, for each article very few comments make it beyond +2. Which is fine, given that the discuss...
[15:06:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:40] <exec> 08└─This is the Internet. I post as an AC. Some of my posts get modded up. Some get modded down. I've had posts that get modded up to five points from zero. I've also had posts that get modded disagree or troll even. Up, down, agree, disagree, troll, I make various arguments to consider. I may also cons...
[15:06:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:41] <exec> 08└─Nothing we can do about that
[15:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:46] <exec> 08└─well Ars has "controversial"..I consider disagree to be "disagrees with known facts". Hence, I think in citations...
[15:06:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03GeminiDomino [661] (Score:2) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:55] <exec> 08└─There should not be "sides" at all in down-modding. The comment is either troll/flamebait or you mod disagree, which does not lower the score.
[15:06:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:57] <exec> 08└─In theory, I could see how downmodding could be used to kinda censor a particular opinion. In practice, what I've been seeing on SoylentNews is that "-1 Troll", "-1 Flamebait", and "-1 Overrated" are in fact being used the way they were intended, and the stuff getting modded into oblivion are those...
[15:07:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:also agree moderation is fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 574 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:07:10] <exec> 08└─I agree I think there is a certain AC around here that is pissed that hes getting rightfully down modded and has bitched enough that this subject has come up for consideration. I also suspect that this AC is running a regular account as well and is upmodding his own posts. The mod system is working...
[15:07:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:07:47] <exec> 08└─If that were true their phones would be at the bottom of the heap.
[15:07:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 565 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:07:58] <exec> 08└─"what *could* Apple have up its sleeves to justify having that much cash reserves?" They are going to put 500 iEmployees aboard an iRocket, and send them to Mars to erect the first iDome to get the iColony started. Once all the iFans see how wonderful things are on iMars, they'll be fighting each ot...
[15:08:09] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03forkazoo [2561] 02Meh - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 1256 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:08:09] <exec> 08└─Apple took years of public research, and used it to create a product, and packaged the product as their own. Exactly like every other company that creates a product in the history of the world. Apple didn't bother inventing a novel Alphabet for their manuals, or a brand new set of numbers to use in...
[15:08:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:08:50] <exec> 08└─Please tell us you're just an every-day troll and not an idiot of truly exceptional stupidity.
[15:08:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 567 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:08:55] <exec> 08└─Canada maybe, UK no way. I think that to some extent the deficiencies in the American system that are now coming to a head are rooted in the original sin of the British class system and deeply rooted aristocracy. Those who broke from the Crown were not opposed to aristocracy per se, it's just that t...
[15:09:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02There's no millennial advantage - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:09:05] <exec> 08└─It doesn't matter if the millennials split 95-5 for the democrats. Young people don't vote. They're too apathetic. 95% of a small number is still a small number. Whine, whine, whine. "It doesn't matter." The numbers show they would matter if they cared enough to go out.
[15:09:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03SomeRandomGeek [856] (Score:1) 02Aging Voters - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 277 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:09:07] <exec> 08└─So, the oldest voters are mostly republicans, and they are dying. And, as young people reach voting age they mostly become democrats. Therefore, we can conclude... Absolutely nothing, since we don't know what changes are occurring to the voting patterns of everyone in between.
[15:09:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:09:25] <exec> 08└─And I disagree wholeheartedly on your point that bitcoins are just cash, too. Bitcoins aren't cash any more than the balance in a PayPal account can be considered cash. It's not cash until someone turns it into cash for you.
[15:14:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Nano this nano that, watch out! - 06Black Silicon Solar Cell Efficiency at 22.1% - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:14:46] <exec> 08└─Remember the cautionary principle. http://www.lowtechmagazine.com [lowtechmagazine.com] Yes it's not a brand new article but every bit as relevant today if not more so.
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[16:05:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Lucky SN - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:05:48] <exec> 08└─Now Apple cannot sue you for the rounded corners on your text boxes. :-)
[16:05:56] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] 02Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 341 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:05:56] <exec> 08└─... or government subsidized housing, medicaid and so on. I'd like to see a law passed that would penalize employers for paying their employees less than what they require to afford their own food purchases. That is, rather than explicitly raise the minimum wage, levy a fee on employers whose employ...
[16:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pherenikos [1113] (Score:0, Flamebait) 02Re:Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:05:57] <exec> 08└─What ever happened to personal responsibility? Why should the company that hired me at 16 have to pay a fine because some of my coworkers chose to work there at the same wage I did?
[16:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:05:59] <exec> 08└─Your welfare queen boss decided to get the government to pay life expenses instead of paying their employees themselves like honest businessmen. There are honest businessmen, just not the welfare queen crooks that only pay $7.25/hr. If the only way a company can stay in business is government handou...
[16:06:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 996 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:01] <exec> 08└─It could be simpler than that, just back bill them. You'd need a revenue sharing agreement for the people with multiple jobs of course. In a lot of ways its simpler than a legal fine. To prevent retribution (sign up for .gov benefits and you're fired) simply aggregate. To reduce paperwork and discou...
[16:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:1, Flamebait) 02Re:Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 752 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:02] <exec> 08└─This is an utterly idiotic idea. The end result is the same, but now you're doing it in a punitive manner. If you want the employer to pay a certain amount so that employees don't need welfare, then set the minimum wage accordingly. It's simple and easy to set a minimum wage, but now you're talking...
[16:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:06] <exec> 08└─The net effect will, ironically, be a further widening of the income gap between the bottom and the top. We'll see the law of unintended consequences playing out.
[16:06:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:08] <exec> 08└─Rents will also go up
[16:06:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Sounds very inflationary - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:11] <exec> 08└─It perhaps will start a chain of people moving to better houses?
[16:06:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Sounds very inflationary - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:13] <exec> 08└─Yes, but normal US fiscal policy is inflationary. It's just inflationary at the top with cheap credit. This causes imbalances that can lead to people at the bottom being priced out of life entirely. That's not good.
[16:06:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 2148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:15] <exec> 08└─- If the business could manage with fewer workers, they would already have done so. And they will do so because MR=MC has changed. Their supply curve HAS changed. To pretend it didnt is silly. This is a fairly standard econ 150 problem. The supply curve WILL move to the left. That means MR=MC change...
[16:06:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 989 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:17] <exec> 08└─this is the golden era for business in the US right now. they have everything their little hearts desire: custom laws in their favor, a job market that sucks (to put it mildly), I have to disagree with this. A job market that sucks means less disposable income and less sales. Maybe some companies do...
[16:06:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:19] <exec> 08└─In a rational world, entities (states, countries) would force any worker within their border to abide by their wages and benefits laws, and levy import duties on anyone bringing in good or services from cheaper labor areas. The moment anyone is allowed to compete with local companies while not abidi...
[16:06:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:21] <exec> 08└─Do Americans have to fear a blue-collar equivalent of the H1B?
[16:06:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 542 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:23] <exec> 08└─I support the minimum wage, and an increase from the sub-$8 level to the historical trend line, but raising it to $15 over five years is going to cause problems. Housing prices will go up and workers will be forced to move out of the city. You know who'll be the big winner? Jeff Bezos and Amazon, an...
[16:06:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:25] <exec> 08└─So you would be willing to drive to a far away place to get a food that's cheaper by an amount that probably is already less than what you pay for the additional gas your car consumed on the way there, not to mention the time you wasted on the way? I don't know about you, but I prefer to buy my food...
[16:06:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:27] <exec> 08└─No, but they'll lose their budget-conscious customers with some college education, who will make more sandwiches at home, and go to places like Subway and Chipotle when they do eat out.
[16:06:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:28] <exec> 08└─Quite so. One can also assert that any business that can only remain profitable by paying starvation wages deserves to die, and the demand for the displaced trade will go to better-run competitors.
[16:06:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Archon V2.0 [3887] (Score:2) 02Re:How to bully a Korean teen with this app - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:39] <exec> 08└─> whichever causes the most damage for the victim That's easy: Porn. Pick something you know the parents will disapprove of, find a few JPGs, e-mail them with the keywords in the subject line dolled up to look like he signed up for sheep sex daily or something.
[16:06:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:How to bully a Korean teen with this app - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:40] <exec> 08└─More fun with the attack goats app...
[16:06:42] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] 02Korea has always been like this - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 1417 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:06:42] <exec> 08└─This is just how Koreans are. It is the most Confucian country on earth, and some of the main tenets of Confucianism are fidelities. In practical terms, that translates into "do whatever your parents/teachers/government/males tell you no matter what". Koreans are very authoritarian. The students spe...
[16:06:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:06:57] <exec> 08└─We've all seen your allegations before... From the article: but please post examples *with* links to any cases of suspected mod abuse. Time for you to put up, or shut up, friend.
[16:07:19] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 583 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:07:20] <exec> 08└─I disagree. That way, any post with just 4 proponents will get highest rating, even if it is offensive,racist,brainless shit only supported by these 5 people and no-one else Even without these extreme cases, I think there are enough cases where a comment is halfway ok, marked hyper-clever by a minor...
[16:07:33] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] 02also agree moderation is fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 736 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:07:34] <exec> 08└─I'd like to chime in with the others and say that I think the current moderation system is just fine. I highly suspect the AC who has been whining about moderation is a certain known troll elsewhere who for whatever reason thought s/he'd get their warped posts upmodded here, and I'm fairly certian s...
[16:07:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score:2) 02IP address != person - 06Moderation Roundtable - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:07:39] <exec> 08└─The mod system is working rather well IMHO. I think the only change I would recommend is to not allow someone from one IP modding up another post from the same IP. While that would not prevent someone from using multiple connections, vpns, etc to abuse the system, it would make it a hassle for them.
[16:07:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:2) 02Re:IP address != person - 06Moderation Roundtable - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:07:40] <exec> 08└─I suspect that NAT (Network Address Translation) might be problematic, too.
[16:08:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:08:15] <exec> 08└─Right, because material cost is the entire cost of bringing a product to market and R&D and software development costs are entirely free.
[16:08:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03khchung [457] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Goodbye, SoylentNews... - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 556 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:08:53] <exec> 08└─Articles should not be posted just because someone submitted it. Yeah, it sucks to have nothing new on the site for some time, and yeah, of course it would be good if more people submit quality articles. But when the only choice is between having fewer new articles, vs having more crap articles, I p...
[16:08:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Goodbye, SoylentNews... - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:08:54] <exec> 08└─Or you personally could commit to submitting 1 non-crap article per day. I personally use this template: Article Source [arstechnica.com]: The first 2-3 paragraphs or 2-3 most representative paragraphs from article
[16:09:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aichon [5059] (Score:2) 02Re:Hey! Somebody RTFA! - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:02] <exec> 08└─It's becoming abundantly clear that this whole anti-"Apphole" thing you have going on has less to do with Apple and more to do with using Apple as a proxy for everything you find wrong in the economy and the way that wealth is distributed in the US. It's fine to have those concerns and issues, of co...
[16:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:23] <exec> 08└─Perhaps when Scotland eventually goes independent they're too small to make it alone, but maybe if they took over the entire USA as their 33rd council area... The problem with being taken over by Scotland instead of Canada of course is we'd be trading delicious maple syrup for haggis.
[16:09:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:24] <exec> 08└─trading delicious maple syrup for haggis.
[16:09:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:25] <exec> 08└─... a People no longer deserving of the blessings of Liberty because we are neither religious, moral nor even educated. ... The problem is with We The People, the only possible solution must come from a rebirth of public morality, civic education and involvement.
[16:09:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Idiocy - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 780 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:34] <exec> 08└─To me it looks like the passionate people in both parties, the Christian Coalition folks in the Republican Party, and the progressives in the Democratic Party, are both played for fools by the establishment in the Democratic and Republican parties, which is really the same establishment. We've seen...
[16:09:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03epitaxial [3165] (Score:2) 02Ideals - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 440 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:09:38] <exec> 08└─I would vote for Republicans if they stuck to their Reagan ear ideals of lowering taxes and limiting the effect of the federal government. But the party has been hijacked by religious nutjobs. All they ever talk about is abortion and gay marriage. Its funny how they don't want the government to inte...
[16:09:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:55] <exec> 08└─Bitcoin is extraordinarily susceptible to theft when not left to rot away in a private wallet.
[16:09:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 663 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:59] <exec> 08└─Probably because there are a bunch of tech-savvy people having a vested interest in Bitcoin, such as owning some of it? This is no different than any other pyramid scams, except it is "on the internet!". First comers can get rich quick, and second/third comers try their best to keep the scam going s...
[16:10:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:10:01] <exec> 08└─Are all deflationary commodities pyramid schemes, or just Bitcoin? If you want an inflationary crytpocurrency there's always Dogecoin... [dogecoin.com]
[16:10:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Growing popularity? - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:10:03] <exec> 08└─It doesn't appear that BTC's popularity is growing. Perhaps BTC was in higher demand in the days of the Silk Road, but there is no good reason to use BTC today, in everyday transactions, unless you are a geek with an interest in digital currencies.
[16:10:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Growing popularity? - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:10:05] <exec> 08└─*there would be no issue
[16:10:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not shoot them down? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 420 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:10:19] <exec> 08└─Let me introduce you to the joys of the wrist rocket style slingshot. (Clue: Shooting firearms inside the city limits is usually illegal here in the "backward lawless colonies", too. Gunshots often bring police and the police have more guns than you do.) "Slingshot, officer? No, never had one of tho...
[16:10:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb question... - 06SatNav Sensors Monitoring Large Structure Stresses and Deformations - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:10:58] <exec> 08└─> Real time integration of accelerators? Does that gear even exist? Every smartphone on the planet?
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[17:05:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score:1) 02Driving and Walking (oblig) - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:05:46] <exec> 08└─I rounded the corner to driving into the parking lot and then rounded the corner on the sidewalk to enter the building. It's good to know I'm safe from Apple now; I've never dared tell anyone what I was doing before.
[17:05:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Dunces rejoice! - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:05:47] <exec> 08└─No more standing in a square corner for the poorest of you.
[17:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Not my generation! - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:05:49] <exec> 08└─When I was growing up, we were invited to make and use squares, circles, rectangles, and any combination thereof. I'm pretty damned sure that Etch-A-Sketch had those rounded corners long before Steve Jobs had a hair on his ass. I wouldn't bet a lot on his hairy ass, some babies are born hairy. But,...
[17:05:59] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03VLM [445] 02Re:Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 323 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:00] <exec> 08└─Your welfare queen boss decided to get the government to pay life expenses instead of paying their employees themselves like honest businessmen. There are honest businessmen, just not the welfare queen crooks that only pay $7.25/hr. If the only way a company can stay in business is government handou...
[17:06:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:09] <exec> 08└─Because even California's minimum wage hasn't historically kept pace with inflation? This is the first time I'm aware of that a minimum wage increase will actually outpace inflation over six years...
[17:06:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:11] <exec> 08└─When minimum wage increased my rent went up and the price of everything increased.
[17:06:16] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 454 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:17] <exec> 08└─There are 2 other factors for why the Econ 101 answer of "higher wages means less employment" is wrong: - If the business could manage with fewer workers, they would already have done so. - Increased worker wages means increased worker purchasing power means (potentially) increased sales, which give...
[17:06:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:19] <exec> 08└─- If the business could manage with fewer workers, they would already have done so. And they will do so because MR=MC has changed. Their supply curve HAS changed. To pretend it didnt is silly. This is a fairly standard econ 150 problem. The supply curve WILL move to the left. That means MR=MC change...
[17:06:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 488 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:21] <exec> 08└─Yeah, you are right. We have been hearing this same FUD since 1980, and it has been proven wrong time and time again. Corporate earnings and worker productivity and executive's wages all have increased astronomically, yet wages for over 70% of the workers has been almost static in comparison.(it is...
[17:06:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 274 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:22] <exec> 08└─There are 2 other factors for why the Econ 101 answer of "higher wages means less employment" is wrong: - Increased worker wages means increased worker purchasing power means (potentially) increased sales, which gives the business the money it needs to pay the workers more.
[17:06:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:24] <exec> 08└─Argh. Read "less UNemployment." Disregard :P
[17:06:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:31] <exec> 08└─Housing prices will go up and workers will be forced to move out of the city.
[17:06:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03acp_sn [5254] (Score:1) 02irrelevent really - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 859 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:06:35] <exec> 08└─any job that can be will be automated out of existence if it becomes expensive enough to fill that and some employers will hire a "contractor" who will in turn employ illegals to do the same work under the table for less than the minimum - this will continue until the person on whose property illega...
[17:06:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:irrelevent really - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:37] <exec> 08└─any job that can be will be automated out of existence if it becomes expensive enough to fill
[17:06:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Katastic [3340] (Score:2) 02A lot of businesses can't make it? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 1178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:06:38] <exec> 08└─If you can't afford to pay your employees a livable wage, you don't deserve to be a business. Technology has greatly enhanced the work efficiency of workers, and yet comparable wages are sinking. In fact, this chart shows your real hourly wages in 2008 were worth half those in the sixties: https://a...
[17:06:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:It's Super Effective! - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:48] <exec> 08└─Except for the part where Google *does* recognize them (okay, not su1c1de, but if you change either of the 1's back to an I it gets it).
[17:06:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Re:Sounds like something North Korea might do - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:58] <exec> 08└─Different cultures mean more than just different food, clothes, and language.
[17:06:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Ignorance as bliss - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:06:59] <exec> 08└─As if keeping teenagers from knowing how not to get pregnant will help keep them safe. -- hendrik
[17:07:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:11] <exec> 08└─I would like to be able to mod submissions.
[17:07:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Mostly working now - 06Moderation Roundtable - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:14] <exec> 08└─Having the button next to the mod dropdown makes it a lot harder to accidentally the wrong moderation, too.
[17:07:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Mostly working now - 06Moderation Roundtable - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:17] <exec> 08└─While I wait for any evidence of the contrary, I think the way the moderation is handled on the site is working fine now. I really the way it works.
[17:07:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 693 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:27] <exec> 08└─An interesting implementation would be to make comment scores a sum of vectors. Let agree/disagree be a value of (m,0) and traditional moderation be a value of (0,n) where m is the magnitude of agrees (negative values denote disagrees) and n is the magnitude of the traditional scoring. Initially I w...
[17:07:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:32] <exec> 08└─That may be what you consider "disagree" to mean, but there is nothing to suggest that. It means what it says: The person modding simply disagrees with the post.
[17:07:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:34] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't "controversial" and "flamebait" be fairly similar? Since it's rather hard to judge intent over the Internet.
[17:07:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:2) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:49] <exec> 08└─Alternatively after the "read more" text tell me how much more text there is in the comment. If I see a value that is really low I can assume there is nothing more of value.
[17:07:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK [2760] (Score:2) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:50] <exec> 08└─Since you're already at +5 I'm just going to reply to show my agreement. Something like: do not truncate 141-150 lines; truncate 151 lines to 140. That at in-page expansion of comments, but I think I remember the devs talking about that being a fairly complicated feature to implement (or with, gasp!...
[17:07:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:52] <exec> 08└─I would also like to see the "read the rest of this comment" line include the number of additional lines to help me decide if I really want to click it. For example, "read the rest of this comment (50 more lines)"
[17:07:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Re:Filter error: Please enter a Subject. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:07:56] <exec> 08└─since then you get things like "Score: 2 (Troll)".
[17:08:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe [2583] (Score:2) 02More than a billion illnesses - 06Forecasting Future Infectious Disease Outbreaks. - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:08:16] <exec> 08└─Most emerging infectious diseases are transmitted from animals to humans, with more than a billion people suffering annually
[17:08:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 672 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:08:29] <exec> 08└─Samsung and Apple are a bunch of beginners. I've spent ten years in an industry where the sales price is typically 5x BOM cost. Really. Our low-volume high-tech projects didn't pop out of thin air, and we weren't exactly rolling in millions. Margin over BOM is arbitrary. Don't like Apple's? I've nev...
[17:08:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sir Finkus [192] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:08:33] <exec> 08└─That's an entirely different situation though, since that infringes on another person's rights. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to buy Apple products.
[17:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:41] <exec> 08└─Does that mean we should imitate them?
[17:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Loose-knit indeed - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:15] <exec> 08└─HTTP is pretty much internet
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[18:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Not my generation! - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 941 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:05:58] <exec> 08└─Nobody, including Apple, said they invented the rounded corner. Apple said that the rounded corner was a design distinction for their line of products, not not anything that functionally serves the device. In other words it had about the same level of significance as the color of the casing. When t...
[18:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Megahard [4782] (Score:3, Interesting) 02So now I can patent the human appendix - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:05:59] <exec> 08└─Everyone with an appendix owes me money. Okay, so it's not my design. But I thought of it first. And that apparently is what counts.
[18:06:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:So now I can patent the human appendix - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:06:01] <exec> 08└─Yes, you can make a phone that looks like an appendix. The mods are really on the case today.
[18:06:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Rounded corners will get you fired here.... - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:06:02] <exec> 08└─As enlightened management, we demand squared circles from our employees. None of that lazy-thinking like rounding a corner!
[18:06:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03purple_cobra [1435] (Score:1) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:06:35] <exec> 08└─Yeah, we had all the same old "a minimum wage will cost jobs!" bollocks before the minimum wage was introduced in the UK. Employment has gone up ever since - more money to buy things means we need more things to buy, perhaps? Damned if I know; I'm not an economist. But as previously stated, it was b...
[18:07:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Korea has always been like this - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 579 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:07:11] <exec> 08└─The problem with the ferry example is how a panic movement could hinder the ability of he crew to save the ship, and cost more lives. Sure, in retrospect, the captain was as wrong as wrong can be. But if you're an uninformed teenager in a scary situation, the words of the experienced people have to...
[18:07:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:07:26] <exec> 08└─You do lose karma on downmods here on SN. My account usually sits at 50, but I noticed a new Troll moderation briefly coincided with a displayed karma value of 49.
[18:07:27] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 186 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:07:27] <exec> 08└─We've all seen your allegations before... From the article: but please post examples *with* links to any cases of suspected mod abuse. Time for you to put up, or shut up, friend.
[18:07:29] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Marneus68 [3572] 02Mostly working now - 06Moderation Roundtable - 148 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:07:30] <exec> 08└─While I wait for any evidence of the contrary, I think the way the moderation is handled on the site is working fine now. I really the way it works.
[18:07:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:07:58] <exec> 08└─I disagree
[18:08:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I want to be able to form an own opinion.... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:08:01] <exec> 08└─Counterpoint: political hand-grenades. Any political faction has its own dogma that *someone* will always post at least once, regardless of how old, irrelevant, or debunked it may be. Suddenly, you have "sides"
[18:08:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03paulej72 [58] (Score:2) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:08:12] <exec> 08└─I tried to fix this once, and I could not figure out how the code worked. There is some serious voodoo code at work with this system. Even more so than the typical slash code. If anyone wants to figure it out and post a fix, I am willing to merge it in. I figured it would be a few lines of code to m...
[18:08:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:U know what else need protection from FB? - 06Belgium's Privacy Protection Commission Urges Users to Protect Against Facebook Tracking - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:08:24] <exec> 08└─Ah, and of course the Hoegaarden wheet beer.
[18:08:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Re:U know what else need protection from FB? - 06Belgium's Privacy Protection Commission Urges Users to Protect Against Facebook Tracking - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:08:25] <exec> 08└─As US citizen who has traveled there(and most of Europe), I concur. From the perspective of a beer drinker, Belgium is a heavenly country to tour. (there are many attractions other than just the beer!)
[18:08:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:08:49] <exec> 08└─Who said anything about free development or R&D? So how many hundred million do you suppose that cost?
[18:08:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:08:51] <exec> 08└─There are plenty of places where 5x BOM may be justifiable. It depends a lot on volume. However, the volume of consumer electronics gives a lot more units to amortize the development cost over.
[18:09:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03http [1920] (Score:2) 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:04] <exec> 08└─"Money never sits idle." Worst. Troll. Ever. You've got to make it sound at least plausible.
[18:09:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:57] <exec> 08└─We failed by allowing the Progs to finish the job
[18:10:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Idiocy - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:08] <exec> 08└─So a nearly 100% black south as a separate, poor, poorly governed, and poorly educated country
[18:10:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ideals - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:13] <exec> 08└─I would vote for Republicans if they stuck to their Reagan ear ideals of lowering taxes and limiting the effect of the federal government.
[18:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02Pundits, schmundits. - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 1604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:10:15] <exec> 08└─Pundits, pollsters, and media bottom-feeders have been chasing their tails over this for years. The current establishment-oriented political science paradigm is, I believe, completely off the mark and doing millenials a huge disservice. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that younger vot...
[18:10:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Growing popularity? - 06Bitcoin Struggles to Make Its Most Crucial Decision. - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:40] <exec> 08└─I can't do that with a credit card, but a credit card company or a government can do it much easier
[18:10:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why not shoot them down? - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:54] <exec> 08└─The US Constitutional right to bear firearms is only for the purposes of being the militia. You'd know that if you'd ever read the thing.
[18:11:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:11:01] <exec> 08└─I fear drones, but not in the hands of pedophiles or criminals - I fear drones in the hands of law enforcement.
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[19:05:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Katastic [3340] (Score:4, Funny) 02This just in... - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:05:44] <exec> 08└─...Verizon discovers it can reduce costs by using math. CEO Lowell C. McAdam, states "This may very well change the face of our entire operation. Who knew something as stupid as math could be useful?" Unfortunately, the Verizon CEO has also announced a $10 surcharge to all phone plans to pay for thi...
[19:05:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03danaris [3853] (Score:1) 02FTTP for all? Yes, please? - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:05:45] <exec> 08└─Verizon also plans to switch to fiber-to-the-premises (FTTP) for all of its customers.
[19:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Not my generation! - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:05:58] <exec> 08└─FWIW, at least *some* Apple products have rounded corners approximately the same diameter as those of an Etch-a-Sketch(tm?). OTOH, on the example I compared, Apple had a more graceful transition between the rounded corner and the straight line between the corners. And in the straight section it was...
[19:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Not my generation! - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:05:59] <exec> 08└─This was a pocket-Etch-a-sketch?
[19:06:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03morgauxo [2082] (Score:2) 02Re:So now I can patent the human appendix - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:02] <exec> 08└─Not Me! Hah!
[19:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Jokes still justified - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:06:05] <exec> 08└─Even though the screw-up is in the process of being corrected now, it's still a monumental screw-up costing gadzillions of dollars in legal fees and market uncertainty that never should have happened. Apple still claimed that their design was somehow unique even though it was cribbed from the state...
[19:06:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 856 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:16] <exec> 08└─Your job does not pay you enough to afford daily expenses like rent, food, heat, and transportation. You therefore qualify for government assistance. This assistance is paid from my taxes. As far as I am concerned the businesses are using the government to subsidize the pay for their workers. Where...
[19:06:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Rejecting your premise - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 1704 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:19] <exec> 08└─What in the hell does your needs have to do with what you are worth to an employer? This stupid notion that employers should be forced to pay you what you 'need' instead of whatever your labor is actually worth in the free market is simply insane. So what is next, forcing employers to pay parents mo...
[19:06:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02I once knew a woman who was into Atlas Shrugged - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:20] <exec> 08└─she kept going on about how important it was. She was quite attractive. "I know!" I said to myself, "I'll read Atlas Shrugged. That way I can discuss it with her intelligently. She'll be putty in my hands!" Fifty pages into the book I realized that the object of my desires was insane.
[19:06:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Sounds very inflationary - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:34] <exec> 08└─Nope. Look to invest in companies that build Section 8 housing. Because raising the minimum wage simply discards those not worth the new minimum. It is a newspeak way of saying, 'anyone who isn't worth this minimum pay should be replaced by illegals and automation and put on the dole out of the sigh...
[19:06:42] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 1707 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:43] <exec> 08└─what we will see is bellyaching by companies who easily can afford to pay workers a living wage but will use this as an EXCUSE to downsize or outsoruce. like the 'papa john' assclown who makes billions from pizza (if you can all what they make 'pizza') and yet threw a hissy fit after obamacare was c...
[19:06:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 187 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:55] <exec> 08└─One can also assert that any business that can only remain profitable by paying starvation wages deserves to die, and the demand for the displaced trade will go to better-run competitors.
[19:07:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:which is more insulting? - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:07:12] <exec> 08└─FWIW, I'd guess the GP post came from Britain, as the US doesn't have actual princesses. (OTOH, I don't follow the British royal family, so perhaps they don't have an expectant princess.) As an amusing side, wasn't there an article about an expectant Barbie princess doll? (I don't remember, though,...
[19:07:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 980 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:07:38] <exec> 08└─I'm pleased that we can't. The editors can often make a story out of something that doesn't look up-to-snuff when sitting in the submissions queue. Its our job, it's what we do. We don't always get it right, but at least let us try. Can you imagine what fun people would have silencing those with who...
[19:07:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 678 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:07:49] <exec> 08└─I'm glad you said that, as the flipside goes through my mind - I don't want people to think I waste my time engaging in dialogue with idiots or trolls, so I pretty much never mod down someone I intend to reply to. Current system is good - no real need to change. However, one tweak that I like the id...
[19:07:57] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 361 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:07:58] <exec> 08└─I find the "disagree" option also a bit pointless, but since it's actually "0 disagree" and not "-1 disagree", I consider it harmless. Receiving a "disagree" moderation is something I actually perceive as a flattery, as it shows I had something non-obvious to say that hit a nerve somehow, and yet ot...
[19:09:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:09:16] <exec> 08└─For a guy that leads off demanding a citation, how is it your next paragraph blurts out
[19:09:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02inequality is inefficient - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 2678 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:09:21] <exec> 08└─Clickbait? Though some of the specifics and details of this story are undoubtedly wrong, the overarching accusation that corporations have too much power and too little moral sense rings quite true. The powerful are always trying to grab even more power and wealth, and must be constantly watched and...
[19:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rand Reaches Out - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:02] <exec> 08└─Which is why Rand Paul is the candidate of the future. He's looking to bring back the Big Tent while appealing to the more libertarian nature of the youth. American 'democracy' is really odd in that one party or the other dominates entire states, giving the illusion of choice. If you've in the 40% o...
[19:10:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02Re:Hooray for corruption - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:11] <exec> 08└─Find a copy (probably on Netflix) of Ken Burn's Civil War documentary and watch it. Observe the letters ordinary enlisted men were writing, mostly with 'elementary school' level educations. Do you think more than one in a thousand modern eighth grade students could write (or even read) on that level...
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[20:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:3, Informative) 02I don't see the problem - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:05:49] <exec> 08└─changing default search settings during updates Well this is one reason to get Firefox from your distro using its standard package-management system, rather than downloading it directly from Mozilla. Honestly, people keep complaining about things with Firefox, but I just am not seeing them. Is it on...
[20:05:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:05:50] <exec> 08└─Debian will strip this garbage out of its own builds. This much stuff is worse than a logo with a non-free license which was why Debian forked firefox in the first place.
[20:05:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03bart9h [767] (Score:2) 02Re:iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:05:52] <exec> 08└─Does Vimperator works in iceweasel? If so, I'm sold.
[20:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Pale Moon! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:05:54] <exec> 08└─Come to the dark side! Pale Moon is the best of firefox without the new crap.
[20:05:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Pale Moon! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:05:55] <exec> 08└─But some proprietary plugins won't work with Pale Moon. (Like, say, hangouts video chat). So it's even more like those early days where the corporate shit didn't work on good browsers.
[20:05:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Pale Moon! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:05:57] <exec> 08└─I've got multiple browsers installed. You don't have the do everything in one. Copy-paste isn't hard, when you need some page which doesn't like a specific browser. Also, if you have any google plugin, the idea of a privacy-violating extension doesn't seem to phase you, so you can stay on FF.
[20:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Pale Moon! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:05:59] <exec> 08└─I like multiple browsers so that a fair chunk of the browsing I'm doing isn't on a browser logged in to Google, Facebook, eBay, etc.
[20:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:2) 02It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 596 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:06:00] <exec> 08└─Firefox already has synchronized bookmarks across devices. I can't see what this does that that doesn't. Other than RSS bookmarks not loading on mobile, synced bookmarks work fine. And there's even the "save for later" thing on mobile, which does a similar thing. So why integrate with a third-party...
[20:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:06:02] <exec> 08└─Firefox already has synchronized bookmarks across devices. I can't see what this does that that doesn't.
[20:06:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 861 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:06:03] <exec> 08└─Pocket is slightly different than just a list of book marks. Pocket stores not only the original URL, which may be gone the next time you need it, but also condensed versions of the entire article. I have no clue how they avoid copyright issues. Any way, it use to work very well on Android and IPhon...
[20:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Lynx - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:06:05] <exec> 08└─For the "best available browser" with minimal bloat and privacy protection, it's hard to beat Lynx. http://lynx.isc.org [isc.org] Banner ads? Flash ads? Malicious JavaScript code? Never an issue. YouTube can be a little tricky though...
[20:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02If then else - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:06:06] <exec> 08└─Will this "feature" add to bloat? If yes then block updates else continue. Like Tiles that can never be stopped from calling home, will this feature call home regardless of config settings telling it not to? If yes then block updates else continue. Folks, you know its just going to get worse from he...
[20:06:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:If then else - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:06:08] <exec> 08└─Using that strategy I'm stuck using Opera 12.
[20:06:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:If then else - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:06:10] <exec> 08└─Like a time capsule, we are all going to be stuck using old tech. What we need is a simple light browser without the mozilla dependencies. Keep dreaming.
[20:06:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Where is Chromium for Windows? - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:06:11] <exec> 08└─I'm paranoid, and I want to stay away from Chrome. However, I'm not paranoid enough to compile Chromium myself. On all of my favourite Linux distros, Chromium is in the repositories making life easy. But I have yet to find a similar solution for Windows.
[20:06:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:FTTP for all? Yes, please? - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:06:14] <exec> 08└─Their plan is to support the right politicians, so that the US infrastructure crumbles. Step 2 is then to dig the trenches to actually route millions of miles of FTTP fiber down the streets. The initial cost of politicians is easily recovered from the easier digging, as well as "it was shitty before...
[20:06:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:FTTP for all? Yes, please? - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:06:16] <exec> 08└─LightReading: As a result, Sampath said, the carrier created new revenues by enabling it to do fiber-to-the-premises... Bulding out fiber was the first opportunity Verizon found to make this wholesale change. The second was to migrate subscribers off copper and on to fiber, a sometimes formidable ch...
[20:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03hubie [1068] (Score:2) 02Re:Not my generation! - 06Four years later, Rounded Corners are Fair Game - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:06:28] <exec> 08└─and any combination thereof
[20:07:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 3583 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:07:08] <exec> 08└─If I need 3 people on a shift to keep my business open, then I need 3 people on a shift regardless of whether those 3 people cost me $175 or $350. In some cases yes. But you can just make your customers wait say an extra 5 mins? Shift the cost to time and onto your customer. You have a misunderstand...
[20:07:17] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 62 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:07:17] <exec> 08└─Do Americans have to fear a blue-collar equivalent of the H1B?
[20:07:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:irrelevent really - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:07:28] <exec> 08└─What do you think the 'unproductive' people will do when they don't have access to food?
[20:07:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It's Super Effective! - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:07:41] <exec> 08└─But South Korea doesn't even recognize them! They speak Korean, not English. They programmed this thing all wrong!
[20:08:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:08:31] <exec> 08└─Agree with this comment. The times I've posted obvious replies and got "+5, Informative" etc, I felt ashamed. For me a "-1, Troll" is important. There are too many people here who blow Google, and God's chosen are always on the lookout to down-mod anyone who mentions them.
[20:09:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:More than a billion illnesses - 06Forecasting Future Infectious Disease Outbreaks. - 486 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:21] <exec> 08└─Nice catch on the implausible hype. I don't think it is influenza though. Maybe... to get to the origins of that claim we need to go down a citation hole. Starting with the OP paper: Han (2015): With over 1 billion cases of human illness attributable to zoonotic disease each year, identifying wild r...
[20:09:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Non Sequor [1005] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:39] <exec> 08└─Isn't a very large markup for retail distribution fairly common though? The phones are actually moved by retail infrastructure for the most part.
[20:09:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:53] <exec> 08└─I'm not responsible for your lack of education son. Go read this article http://www.theregister.co.uk [theregister.co.uk] It gives a workable description of how banks actually work. You were expected to know this stuff in order to graduate from the 7th grade.
[20:10:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:Expectations of Corporations - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:12] <exec> 08└─Ramen is cheaper and I would say probably tastier.
[20:11:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:54] <exec> 08└─What makes you think the criminals would be buying the drone? These are burglars we are talking about. And if you really can't afford a drone (they aren't that expensive), then perhaps you wouldn't be a target of this anyway.
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[21:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03pgc [1600] (Score:2, Insightful) 02So .. - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:05:48] <exec> 08└─Cuba actually tried to [b]cure[/b] things, instead of remedying the symptoms. Too bad that will be gone as soon as American pharma sets foot on Cuban soil.
[21:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Hope this exposure won't wreck the workplace - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:05:49] <exec> 08└─Let's hope that enough share of the profit from these medicines is sent back to where it's due. And that the research centers don't get pilfered of good staff.
[21:05:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:3, Informative) 02Why was ideology permitted to defeat medicine? - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:05:50] <exec> 08└─The west did not permit the soviets to have antiobiotics during the cold war. They developed their own cure in the form of phages, viruses that attack bacteria. These phages are largely unknown in the west. I expect that Cuba's emphasis on medicine has to do with the fact that Che was a doctor.
[21:05:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:3, Insightful) 02It's amazing what you come up with - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 1174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:05:52] <exec> 08└─when the focus of your healthcare system is health and not profit. There's a good reason major western companies wouldn't come up many of these drugs. Vaccines aren't profitable. You sell one dose once, and then you never sell it again. Compare it to something like Lipitor, where you take one pill a...
[21:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02And American college students - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:05:54] <exec> 08└─are impressed with Jamaica's drugs, but that's not news.
[21:05:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score:2) 02It's good, but ... - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:05:55] <exec> 08└─who have created a potentially promising therapeutic vaccine against lung cancer
[21:06:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] 02I don't see the problem - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 695 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:02] <exec> 08└─changing default search settings during updates Well this is one reason to get Firefox from your distro using its standard package-management system, rather than downloading it directly from Mozilla. Honestly, people keep complaining about things with Firefox, but I just am not seeing them. Is it on...
[21:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:I don't see the problem - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:04] <exec> 08└─I use Windows because it is still the only real choice of OS as a PC gamer. Linux has made great inroads in PC gaming over the past couple of years (mostly thanks to Valve), but it's just not near there yet. Despite using Windows, I try to use as much open source software for everything else as poss...
[21:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:06] <exec> 08└─I don' t use Vimperator, but I use a good number of extensions in Iceweasel and they all work fine.
[21:06:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pale Moon! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:11] <exec> 08└─I use Pale moon for 95% of what I do with about 50 tabs open at any given time (all being used, don't ask.) For when I need something which can't be done in it (or can't be done b/c of my various blocker extensions) I use chromium. You don't have to just use one browser, but Pale Moon has completely...
[21:06:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03archshade [3664] (Score:1) 02Re:Pale Moon! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:13] <exec> 08└─But some proprietary plugins won't work with Pale Moon. (Like, say, hangouts video chat).
[21:06:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:16] <exec> 08└─So it stores a bookmark and tags/copies the page that's already in the cache? That would be a groundbreaking feature in 1997...
[21:06:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:18] <exec> 08└─I have no idea of the details, but it is not cache dependent. Pocket soemthing on your phone, its also pocketed on your Computer or your tablet or what have you. Also, its just a stripped down version of the article is saved, not a web page. There is a "Original View" button which will fetch the web...
[21:06:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 759 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:20] <exec> 08└─I do use Pocket (and have since it was called "Read It Later"), although I didn't even realize it had a proprietary sync part to it, since I don't use browser sync features. It definitely belongs in an add-on, not part of the browser. It gives a slightly nicer interface for a specific workflow for a...
[21:06:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:2) 02Re:It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:21] <exec> 08└─It was someone interesting addon at one point. Now its freemium crap with a $45/year tier. If someone wants that functionality; fine... or agrees with freemium products fine, but its the very LAST thing any browser should be integrated with; let alone an open source one.
[21:06:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Lynx - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:23] <exec> 08└─You can benefit from using Lynx without using it, spoof your user agent to Lynx, makes some sites like Google load their legacy, HTML-only search interface.
[21:06:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score:1) 02Cyberfox - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:26] <exec> 08└─Personally, I use Cyberfox [8pecxstudios.com], a 64 bit Firefox variant for Windows. It works really well, and it has some built-in options to disable Mozilla's recent annoyances, (looking at you, Hello).
[21:06:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score:2) 02midori - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:28] <exec> 08└─Midori is nice, just a little too beta at the moment.
[21:06:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Alternartive to Pocket - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:29] <exec> 08└─I used to use Pocket, back when it was called ReadItLater and they had yet to go full spyware on recording very page you archived. Now I use ScrapBook [mozilla.org] which is not as slick as Pocket but is not spyware and doesn't try to save everything to the cloud.
[21:06:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This just in... - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:37] <exec> 08└─Well, that's a huge improvement for them. They went from being unable to count to being able to maybe, hopefully, do some basic algebra at least well enough to figure that if you cut costs you maybe able to improve profitability. http://media.grc.com [grc.com] http://consume...
[21:06:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03halcyon1234 [1082] (Score:2) 02Firefox 22 - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 614 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:41] <exec> 08└─I've frozen my browser update at Firefox 22. It's the update before they changed the icon to the stupid looking "flat" style. Changing the logo was kinda the last straw for me. A corporation changing their logo is never a sign of anything except a desperate attempt to stay "relevant" and some CEO ch...
[21:06:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03paulej72 [58] (Score:2) 02Well I am SOL - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:42] <exec> 08└─My vacation home in PA has its utilities buried from the pole to the house. This was done in the mid 70's before conduit was normally used for this purpose. I would need to run a new conduit from the pole to the house which is about 50 yards or so. The ground is rock hard and will be a pain to do, a...
[21:06:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Australia going for the worse? - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:44] <exec> 08└─Regarding maintenance, Vulture South notes Australia's telecommunications minister Malcolm Turnbull has posted a "FTTN myth-busting" FAQ that states "No telecommunications company in the world has identified avoided copper maintenance costs as a compelling reason for deploying FTTP". That statement...
[21:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Australia going for the worse? - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:46] <exec> 08└─Missed link: Australia Outlaws Warrant Canaries [soylentnews.org]
[21:07:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Atlas Shrugged - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 470 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:19] <exec> 08└─xkcd [xkcd.com] If you don't have tooltips enabled, right-click the image and click Properties. "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievabl...
[21:07:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Bob the Angry Flower - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:20] <exec> 08└─Atlas Shrugged 2: One Hour Later [angryflower.com]
[21:07:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Seattle Empiricals - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:44] <exec> 08└─There was no unemployment spike in Seattle when they did the exact same thing ...despite the swill that Wrong-Wing media keeps pushing. [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [thinkprogress.org] -- gewg_
[21:07:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Take Our Jobs - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:50] <exec> 08└─arrest employers Too much like right. The United Farm Workers has an open invitation to anyone who thinks immigrants are taking USAian's jobs: Come and do the work we do. See how long you last before your body can't take it any more. Take Our Jobs [google.com] -- gewg_
[21:07:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 844 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:08:00] <exec> 08└─By your logic, we should allow that company to hire 50 employees and pay them 1$/hour and do 5x the work! See the problem in your argument? You held total productivity as constant, and then examined the effect of a change in minimum wage to get the answer that supports your preexisting values. If we...
[21:08:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:irrelevent really - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:08:05] <exec> 08└─That is not a relevant question.
[21:08:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03acp_sn [5254] (Score:1) 02Re:irrelevent really - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 555 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:08:06] <exec> 08└─[quote]The problem with your entire line of thought here is that you operate under the assumption that the vast majority are happy eating, shitting, and sleeping all their life. This is so untrue it's borderline comical. I could go on and on about how people want more than just a ceiling, a locking...
[21:08:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:irrelevent really - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:08:08] <exec> 08└─Most people would be perfectly happy being kept as relatively well treated pets. This is currently the direction in which our society is moving.
[21:08:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:This is not the correct approach - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 320 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:08:16] <exec> 08└─Not to mention that I can see teenagers being suicidal over 24/7 surveillance by their parents. I had always been wondering, "With how unpopular government surveillance is, how does it keep being a thing?" Then I realized, that many voters are parents and "won't somebody think of the children?" is a...
[21:08:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:which is more insulting? - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:08:24] <exec> 08└─Actually based on other posts he has made I'd guess VLM was from the US. While it is true you don't have princesses of your own it seems many Americans take an interest in the British royal family. Personally, as a Brit I couldn't care less about them.
[21:08:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] (Score:2) 02Re:Korea has always been like this - 06South Korea Mandates Spyware Installation on Teenagers' Smartphones. - 337 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:08:33] <exec> 08└─I agree with you that more often than not "captain said to do this, don't ask why" is a good policy. Or doctor, or medic, or your lawyer. But when you are in a room, in a tipped over boat, with water rising in it, and only staying because the captain said to, that's extreme. Peer enforcement plus au...
[21:09:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:02] <exec> 08└─I did this once. A point by point list of rationales for a down-mod. It was not well received.
[21:10:30] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 565 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:31] <exec> 08└─"what *could* Apple have up its sleeves to justify having that much cash reserves?" They are going to put 500 iEmployees aboard an iRocket, and send them to Mars to erect the first iDome to get the iColony started. Once all the iFans see how wonderful things are on iMars, they'll be fighting each ot...
[21:10:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:Err, not really - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:34] <exec> 08└─And you, son, should know the difference between a bank and Apple. Also, http://www.cnbc.com [cnbc.com] Global companies sitting on $7 trillion cash, double 2003
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[22:05:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:So .. - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:05:52] <exec> 08└─Cuba actually tried to cure things, instead of remedying the symptoms.
[22:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:2) 02Re:So .. - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:05:53] <exec> 08└─Not-reading-the-summary is the new not-reading-the-article. Just base your comment on whatever your politics are and make sure is references the headline in some vague way.
[22:05:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Hope this exposure won't wreck the workplace - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 827 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:05:55] <exec> 08└─The US embargo was porous as hell. It wasn't effective against Cuban trade with Canada, Mexico, most of Europe, and certainly not the former Soviet Union nor the Russian Federation, or China. They had access to training and collaboration, Journals and yes, drugs, even US patented drugs quietly manuf...
[22:05:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:Why was ideology permitted to defeat medicine? - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:05:58] <exec> 08└─Predicted neo-con response... But but...free market?!...capitalism?!...invisible hands?!....socialism?! Humana humana humana....wibble... But don't forget, now the borders are open they can proceed to destroy or at least undermine whatever social programs they have...
[22:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Why was ideology permitted to defeat medicine? - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:00] <exec> 08└─The west did not permit the soviets to have antiobiotics during the cold war.
[22:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Costa Rica has little money but a longer lifespan - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:01] <exec> 08└─the government provides healthcare until you are 18 years old; after that you are on your own. But the youngfolk are given everything they need to stay healthy as adults.
[22:06:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:And American college students - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:03] <exec> 08└─Colorado scoffs [vice.com] at Jamaica's drugs.
[22:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:It's good, but ... - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:05] <exec> 08└─and CIA explosive cigars.
[22:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02hmm - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 1094 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:06:07] <exec> 08└─So now giving a treatment after you are diagnosed is considered preventative, in fact they gave cimavax after normal chemo. Also it says simavax was being trialed in 2008, so this isn't new. It's not like people don't know how to put EGF along with an adjuvant together to get a vaccine, I'm sure ver...
[22:06:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Ames Assay of chlorinated hydrocarbons - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:09] <exec> 08└─in his original paper on his mutagenicity assay, Dr. Ames wrote that every chlorinated hydrocarbon he'd tested was mutagenic. Chlorinated hydrocarbons are very commonly used as plasticizers, that is, to make otherwise hard, brittle plastic soft and flexible. My ex used to be a biologist. She told me...
[22:06:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03physicsmajor [1471] (Score:2) 02Re:I don't see the problem - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:18] <exec> 08└─Try Vivaldi. Rock solid, fully customizable.
[22:06:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:2) 02Re:iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:22] <exec> 08└─So question for the community: What would you suggest for each platform to replace Firefox? On linux? Iceweasel Or Konqueror? On Windows? Palemoon maybe? Android? OSX? support for adblock and ghostery and other addons is highly desirable; as is free/libre/open source.
[22:06:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:It's called a bookmark! - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 410 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:32] <exec> 08└─Lazy me would hash the page's address, upload the text part or a screenshot of the page to cloud storage (with deduplication) and to a local cache folder. Add a few tags, a search feature, check the web on open, and voila!, 98% of my read-it-later needs addressed. Not trivial, but not very hard for...
[22:06:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02coming soon - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:06:44] <exec> 08└─Successor to Opera [vivaldi.com]
[22:06:52] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Katastic [3340] 02This just in... - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 432 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:06:52] <exec> 08└─...Verizon discovers it can reduce costs by using math. CEO Lowell C. McAdam, states "This may very well change the face of our entire operation. Who knew something as stupid as math could be useful?" Unfortunately, the Verizon CEO has also announced a $10 surcharge to all phone plans to pay for thi...
[22:07:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Cost savings passed on to the consumer? - 06Verizon Switching All Central Offices From Copper to Fiber - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:07:02] <exec> 08└─And fiber has proven to be 70% to 90% more reliable than copper depending on the typology, he said. Verizon can pass some of the savings on to the customer.
[22:07:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:07:44] <exec> 08└─Thank you for nailing it.
[22:09:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03SlimmPickens [1056] (Score:2) 02Re:Seriously, not a problem. - 06Moderation Roundtable - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:09:04] <exec> 08└─What about commenting on submissions?
[22:10:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Isn't Apple Corp. the Beatles? - 06The Plundering of the USA by Apple Corp. - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:10:38] <exec> 08└─Salves don't have rights to themselves. That is what makes them slaves.
[22:12:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Ideals - 06The Demographic Future of America's Political Parties - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:12:01] <exec> 08└─Oops! Did I miss something again? their Reagan ear ideals
[22:12:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03lars [4376] (Score:1) 02Re:This is the UK - 06UK Criminals Use Drones To Case Burglary Targets - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:12:51] <exec> 08└─Don't those only work indoor because of wind?
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[23:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02I could have used this back in the day - 06L'Oreal to 3D-Print Human Skin - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:48] <exec> 08└─If you ever invite someone to ride on your motorcycle with you, emphasize to them the importance of not touching the tailpipe.
[23:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score:2) 02Re:I could have used this back in the day - 06L'Oreal to 3D-Print Human Skin - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:49] <exec> 08└─Your music download and concert links [warplife.com] are still busted, by the way.
[23:05:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Real Soon Now. - 06L'Oreal to 3D-Print Human Skin - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:50] <exec> 08└─I'll fix the download links by this evening, promise. While I do perform in public from time to time, I haven't been doing open mics lately. Rather, when I'm in the mood to perform, I play the baby grand at PDX. I don't generally plan that ahead of time. I'll be getting back into open mics but I'm n...
[23:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Hope this exposure won't wreck the workplace - 06American Researchers Impressed With Cuba's Drugs - 247 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:03] <exec> 08└─Didn't you just castigate someone else for not reading the summary? We DID NOT have the drugs the summary is talking about. Cuba didn't grab them off the generics market and big pharma had nothing to do with their development (or success) in Cuba.
[23:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:28] <exec> 08└─Iceweasel IS Firefox, just with a different icon (and perhaps in the future without a propietary pocket?). Anything that works in Firefox will work in Iceweasel.
[23:06:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:30] <exec> 08└─I'm just going to keep saying "they have a Linux build of Pale Moon" until people start noticing. -posted from Linux Pale Moon
[23:06:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:2) 02Re:iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 1196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:31] <exec> 08└─Yeah it exists; i'd discounted it as it looks to a 3rd party build/fork of a project that is already pretty niche. I was skeptical how well it ran as a primary browser as opposed to it being something pretty experimental. PaleMoon has android and OSX builds as well... the android page has a note abo...
[23:06:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:iceweasel - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 827 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:33] <exec> 08└─Linux: I use multiple browsers. For standard "stuff I visit often" sites, I use Debian's firefox builds (iceweasel) with a pile of addons. (If you want newer versions than the ESR ones, install from the experimental repository.) For other things, I mix konqueror (set to use webkit instead of khtml)...
[23:06:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:If then else - 06Mozilla Integrates Propietary Pocket Plugin - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:06:52] <exec> 08└─It'll happen. Firefox was the lightweight answer to the bloat Netscape had become. Something else will be the lightweight answer to the bloat Firefox has become.
[23:07:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Minimum wage workers often need food stamps - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 1638 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:45] <exec> 08└─There are levels to this. Walmart has the ability to keep people on the clock for 40 hours rather just have them work part-time. It certainly has the financial ability to pay more, and it lobbies for all kinds of tax breaks small business would never get. Walmart is corporate welfare writ large. At...
[23:07:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:I once knew a woman who was into Atlas Shrugged - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:53] <exec> 08└─Fifty pages into the book I realized that the object of my desires was insane.
[23:08:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:will it work? - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:01] <exec> 08└─probably the other wages will not be raised proportionally.
[23:08:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] (Score:2) 02Re:Job losses - 06Los Angeles to Raise Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour by 2020 - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:08:20] <exec> 08└─- If the business could manage with fewer workers, they would already have done so.
[23:09:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:citations... - 06Moderation Roundtable - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:43] <exec> 08└─It mostly exists because of long standing complaints that it didn't exist, and (hopefully) prevents abusive downmods looking for another option. Each disagree mod *is* tracked, so if 10 people mark it disagree, and then it gets modded up, it would +3, Disagree, vs +3, Interesting. Kinda like the con...
[23:10:02] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 10022 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:02] <exec> 08└─If you see unfairly modded post, mod it. If you see AC whine about moderation, remember these: http://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] http://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] http://soylentnews.org [soy...
[23:10:10] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03paulej72 [58] 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 479 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:10] <exec> 08└─I tried to fix this once, and I could not figure out how the code worked. There is some serious voodoo code at work with this system. Even more so than the typical slash code. If anyone wants to figure it out and post a fix, I am willing to merge it in. I figured it would be a few lines of code to m...
[23:10:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Moderation seems to work fine - 06Moderation Roundtable - 402 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:12] <exec> 08└─I took a stab at this myself, and my mind melted. My best guess it was dependent on a behavior in old MySQL versions that changed. When we first setup the site, excessive edits were required since the codebase assumed it was running on a version of MySQL from 2008 (MySQL 3.xx something). I need to t...
[23:10:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't give too much credit . . . - 06Belgium's Privacy Protection Commission Urges Users to Protect Against Facebook Tracking - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:20] <exec> 08└─argument style so many people here use: define all topics as black/white, decide which side I like and is thus the good and ethical side, and cast every argument in these absolute terms.
[23:10:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe [2583] (Score:2) 02Re:More than a billion illnesses - 06Forecasting Future Infectious Disease Outbreaks. - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:36] <exec> 08└─I only looked as far as the Lancet paper since they list some of the emerging zoonotic infections, including influenza and a quick search said ~15% of people get sick per year. I'll have to look into that ILRI report because the combined table is around 2.45 billion affected humans per year (a lot b...
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