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[08:27:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Simple solution - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:07] <exec> 08└─If they own it, they are responsible for it. Put it in law and ensure that the buyer is thus protected. Oh - that's for the life of the vehicle, regardless of how long it lasts.
[08:27:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 452 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:09] <exec> 08└─If there is product with a black box of secrets, the answer is to simply not buy it. If you buy something with a black box, don't complain when they do something bad to you, reverse engineer it or buy something without a black box. There is almost nothing that doesn't have an open and free or revers...
[08:27:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 1803 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:10] <exec> 08└─Very funny. That is not how businesses work. They buy the thing they need at the best price they can get. Moral stands to achieve an aim that will never work due to the phenomenon known as the "fate of commons" (originally also about farmers) is not part of good business. This also goes for the othe...
[08:27:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03SubiculumHammer [5191] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:12] <exec> 08└─Over the top. Sure. More true than it should be. Yup.
[08:27:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:14] <exec> 08└─Please, where can i get a NEW car, muscle or otherwise, with a carburator and without a HEI? Because that's the only way there is not a black box in the car, assuming of course that the lights and stuff are just wired aswell instead of going through a fieldbus.
[08:27:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 2363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:15] <exec> 08└─If we want to fight this madness we need to attack it at the root. Go read some Stallman and realize the idiocy of 'Intellectual Property.' We need to start the fight on the idea copyright gives the author 'ownership.' In the U.S. the -only- justification can be found in the U.S. Constitution where...
[08:27:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:17] <exec> 08└─Its not like there are are mo alternative sources. You can find replacement software for most cars from the performance industry. Just google engine performance chips. Dozens of companies. Get behind the The Right to Repair Movement [wikipedia.org], and get it passed in your state.
[08:27:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:19] <exec> 08└─Except if the car etc manufacturers get DMCA protection, then those performance chips become illegal, because they can just add some pretty trivial "protection" and if you "decrypt it", you've broken the law, and your new chip/software is illegal. So no alternative sources anymore.
[08:27:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 872 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:20] <exec> 08└─Attack it at the root? Go read Karl Marx. Yes, you have heard of him. But have you ever actually read him? The opening of "Das Kapital" is a masterful critique of the idea that commodities have any intrinsic value. Of course they do not, it is only speculation, or actual need, or the cost of produc...
[08:27:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:22] <exec> 08└─The weasel word here is "educate". With which you say that difference in opinion is entirely due to lack of education. Note that I'm not even disagreeing with you (nor agreeing).
[08:27:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:24] <exec> 08└─The weasel word here is "educate". With which you say that difference in opinion is entirely due to lack of education.
[08:27:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score:1) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:25] <exec> 08└─Also read Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Hegel, Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Kant.... Nice "summary" here: http://plato.stanford.edu [stanford.edu] Tl;dr: no one has ever agreed on definitions. Anyone spending time arguing anywhere knows, debating with undefined definitions is ... meaningless.
[08:27:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Buy Open source - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:27] <exec> 08└─Or build [opensourceecology.org] it [opensourceecology.org]
[08:27:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:2) 02Re:Buy Open source - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 566 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:29] <exec> 08└─I'm happy this comes out, but it shouldn't go without a simple explanation, imo. The project was founded by an engineer as an open documentation effort: "is it possible to successfully complete an open, distributed documentation contributed by dozens of people that are mainly volunteers?" Or somethi...
[08:27:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02DSM-6 to use Brain Maps? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:31] <exec> 08└─I'm told that DSM-6 is going to use brain layout maps to help doctors diagnose and treat mental illnesses.
[08:27:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:DSM-6 to use Brain Maps? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 292 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:33] <exec> 08└─I thought it was a map of which pharmaceutical that sponsored what cure. Only diseases that have a clear profit line can be diagnosed, and in any other case we invent one! :D For the rest one must just ensure a steady streamlined source of funding that provides the symptoms for more funding.
[08:27:33] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03frojack [1554] 02DSM - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 816 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:34] <exec> 08└─As long as I have been aware of it the DSM has had major problems in classifications. I first ran into it while working on a mental health system for a state government, and even the clinicians hated the DSM because of the ambiguity and redundancy of the coding. Some viewed it as total bull, and ope...
[08:27:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:1, Troll) 02Re:DSM - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:36] <exec> 08└─I think the DSMs, at least since DSM III, have done a lot to discredit Psychiatry, while appearing to prop it up. The field now ranks right up there with Homeopathy in the eyes of a lot of people.
[08:27:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:DSM - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:38] <exec> 08└─it needs to be discredited. psychiatry is a load of bullshit spewed from a coked-up nutjob with an oedipus complex. none of it ever had any scientific backing or supporting evidence, and now that we're getting evidence, its showing that its always been bullshit. i say good riddance.
[08:27:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:DSM - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:39] <exec> 08└─Use ICD? better, not good?
[08:27:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:DSM - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:41] <exec> 08└─That's because DSM is a shopping catalog for drug company, that's why.
[08:27:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Medicine Guessing Game - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:43] <exec> 08└─Having tried multiple medications for my issues, it often seems like the doctors are just making educated guesses. My own experiences with SSRIs was moderately successful in lowering anxiety, but at the same time causing sexual dysfunction. Wellbutrin made my depression worse, to the point of suicid...
[08:27:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Medicine Guessing Game - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:45] <exec> 08└─I took SSRIs for a few years (don't remember which ones since it was several years ago) and they didn't seem to do anything. I did have several months of withdrawal when I stopped taking them. Random twitching and electric shock sensations. It was more annoying than anything else. Benzos are super-d...
[08:27:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03MadTinfoilHatter [4635] (Score:1, Disagree) 02My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:46] <exec> 08└─Does this mean that psychiatry is finally moving away from a practice akin to leeches for everything?
[08:27:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sir Finkus [192] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:48] <exec> 08└─No. The problem is more fundamental than that. The root cause is that psychiatry as a whole is unwilling to see man as anything more than a biological machine.
[08:27:49] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Hartree [195] 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 884 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:50] <exec> 08└─"study some philosophy of mind" Humanity has been studying that diligently for millennia. From the Buddhists to the Greeks to Wittgenstein. And for all of the attempts to "show us the way out of the bottle" it hasn't come up with effective treatments for the misery caused by neurosis and psychosis l...
[08:27:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 957 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:52] <exec> 08└─it hasn't come up with effective treatments for the misery caused by neurosis and psychosis let alone an understanding of who and what we really are. All of those are not true. The problem is the answers are difficult to understand without years of study. That is one of the issues that has been work...
[08:27:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 829 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:53] <exec> 08└─>>The root cause is that psychiatry as a whole is unwilling to see man as anything more than a >>biological machine. But many psychiatrists will use meds in conjunction with talk therapy. The former is (possibly) treating the chemistry in the individual and the latter the individual himself. Some pa...
[08:27:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Suspicious - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 467 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:27:55] <exec> 08└─I suspect, though I don't have hard evidence, that many cases of depression and other health and mental related issues, are at least partially related to helminthiasis. Doctors seem to be very bad at detecting them and even when they do prescribe treatments they usually underprescribe which temporar...
[08:27:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Suspicious - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:57] <exec> 08└─Dang it, I meant the topic to be suspicion but my stupid phone changed it somehow.
[08:27:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sir Finkus [192] (Score:2) 02Re:Suspicious - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:27:59] <exec> 08└─Blame the worms. Anyway, assuming you're the same AC as the parent comment, do you have some more information on this? I've read some other studies about a possible link between depression and gut flora and this sounds similar.
[08:28:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Subsentient [1111] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Works great for OCD. - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 393 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:28:00] <exec> 08└─I'm on 80mg of Prozac. I'd be dead without it, not from depression, but because my OCD would have convinced me I had magical powers to bring doom on others and should kill myself. My life is 99% normal again thanks to this. It took the two months to start working they said it would, but yeah, I hear...
[08:28:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Works great for OCD. - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:02] <exec> 08└─You need to watch DeathNote.
[08:28:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02William Gibson is creaming his pants - 06House Passes Cybersecurity Bill Despite Privacy Protests - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:28:04] <exec> 08└─Cyberpunk dystopia, here we come! ...yay?
[08:28:05] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03SrLnclt [1473] 02Voting Record - 06House Passes Cybersecurity Bill Despite Privacy Protests - 264 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:28:06] <exec> 08└─Here's how everyone voted on H.R. 1560 [house.gov], the Protecting Cyber Networks Act and H.R. 1731, the National Cybersecurity Protection Advancement Act of 2015. I hope a few of us remember this list next time your congressman/congresswomen is up for reelection.
[08:28:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Voting Record - 06House Passes Cybersecurity Bill Despite Privacy Protests - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:07] <exec> 08└─Here's the thing. You need WAY more than "a few of us". You need thousands and thousands of people to all vote of someone else. Even more if the vote is split between two other people. This thing ain't gonna do it. Maybe if they passed a 'king for a day' bill, where your elected senator and/or congr...
[08:28:08] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03anubi [2828] 02I have seen this problem before... - 06House Passes Cybersecurity Bill Despite Privacy Protests - 783 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:28:10] <exec> 08└─So we seem to be hell-bent about keeping the pranksters from setting fire to our wood-shack outhouses? Ever considered building the outhouse out of cinder block? I have pontificated here a lot of times... all its going to take to have a trustworthy system is to get rid of "hold harmless" clauses in...
[08:28:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:3, Interesting) 02The critical procedure needed is nerve re-connect - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:28:12] <exec> 08└─The critical part is reconnection the spinal cord. Transplanting heads has already been done. If spinal cord reconnection works then many people that are currently in wheel chairs will have a life changing event. The treatment in general consists of cellular matrix and cell signal substances. There'...
[08:28:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:13] <exec> 08└─If spinal cord reconnection works then many people that are currently in wheel chairs will have a life changing event.
[08:28:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:15] <exec> 08└─You don't connect it with direct surgery. You provide the right circumstances for cells to grow and figure out the connection process themselves.
[08:28:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:17] <exec> 08└─You provide the right circumstances for cells to grow and figure out the connection process themselves.
[08:28:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Spinal Cord Regeneration - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:18] <exec> 08└─If they can figure out how to reconnect spinal cords from two different bodies, they'll be able to do it inside one body. I wonder what they have tried so far, and if it includes injecting stem cells into the spinal column?
[08:28:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score:2) 02Re:Spinal Cord Regeneration - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 441 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:20] <exec> 08└─I can't understand why they aren't doing a lot more research into this sort of thing : http://www.medicalnewstoday.com [medicalnewstoday.com] Without even counting the humanitarian reasons, from an economics point of view it would be massively worth it to be able to cure or ameli...
[08:28:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Spinal Cord Regeneration - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:22] <exec> 08└─They tried cell matrix and signal substances into broken mouse spines asfair. I think it worked but, if it will work on humans is another story. You have to delve into the subject.
[08:28:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:24] <exec> 08└─Man, there are still thousands of people hopping around on crutches, because we cannot even do hand, leg, or even finger transplants. Either head transplants are a complete fantasy, or the medical establishment has been hiding major advanced from the general public.
[08:28:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 819 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:25] <exec> 08└─"we cannot even do hand, leg, or even finger transplants" from wikipedia: [wikipedia.org] The first hand transplant to achieve prolonged success was directed by a team of Kleinert Kutz Hand Care surgeons including Warren C. Breidenbach and Tsu-Min Tsai in cooperation with the Christine M. Kleinert...
[08:28:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:27] <exec> 08└─Notice the use of single digits, they have to be thousands of people with the finances or insurance to cover any medical expenses but who are arm-less, finger-less, or leg-less. Are they limbless for philosophical or religious reasons?
[08:28:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2, Touché) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:29] <exec> 08└─Notice the use of single digits, they have to be thousands of people with the finances or insurance to cover any medical expenses but who are arm-less, finger-less, or leg-less. Are they limbless for philosophical or religious reasons?
[08:28:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03aXis [2908] (Score:1) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:30] <exec> 08└─In some ways it makes sense. Many amputees can achieve decent quality of life with regular prosthetics. Transplants are riskier, have issues with taking imunosupressants, and have psycological complications. A lot of amputees would be put off by those risks and stick with the prosthetics. There's no...
[08:28:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:32] <exec> 08└─The critical part is reconnection the spinal cord. Transplanting heads has already been done.
[08:28:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Human Hydra: Possible? - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:28:34] <exec> 08└─If this tech is ever perfected, how difficult would it be to create Hydra Humans each with long necks and heck maybe tweak the legs and arms so as to be able to walk on all fours?
[08:28:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:I'm amazed - 06WiFi Hack Creates No-Go Zone For iOS - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:38] <exec> 08└─As long as government is permitted to smack people on a whim because they don't like them (as been shown). They can't be trusted and thus the people will not accommodate their "requests". However when it comes to the ability to go full fascist, no organization can ever be trusted with that. It's inh...
[08:28:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Style Guide - 06WiFi Hack Creates No-Go Zone For iOS - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:41] <exec> 08└─Cisco IOS suck balls too.. Any packet-of-death for them too? please? ;-)
[08:28:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score:1) 02IOS != iOS - 06WiFi Hack Creates No-Go Zone For iOS - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:42] <exec> 08└─Can we at least keep the capitalization consistent? The official and correct way to write Apple's mobile OS name is "iOS". IOS, all caps, is the router operating system made by Cisco.
[08:28:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Style Guide - 06WiFi Hack Creates No-Go Zone For iOS - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:44] <exec> 08└─IOS [wikipedia.org], all caps, is the router operating system made by Cisco.
[08:28:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Have to connect? - 06WiFi Hack Creates No-Go Zone For iOS - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:28:55] <exec> 08└─That makes sense, thank you.
[08:28:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:3, Interesting) 02The denial of iZombies or just plain OS upgrade ;) - 06WiFi Hack Creates No-Go Zone For iOS - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:28:57] <exec> 08└─So this WiFi hack in conjunction with the Ars article on another two year old bug that can force an iPhone to connect to a wireless network. If that doesn't work one makes an AP to announce a carrier-specified SSID. Oh, and mobile carriers expose users to WiFi attacks [skycure.com]. All in all, you...
[08:29:04] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:But is it... - 06OpenID launched today - 127 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:05] <exec> 08└─Some of us never upgraded from the buzzword 0.6 alpha. And honestly, I don't like this new buzzword paradigm. It lacks synergy.
[08:29:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:After Snowden... Why would you trust anybody! - 06OpenID launched today - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:11] <exec> 08└─For most sites OpenID is perfect. One less password to memorize. I don't think anyone would suggest using a twitter account to create your bank account.
[08:29:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2, Flamebait) 02Re:After Snowden... Why would you trust anybody! - 06OpenID launched today - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:13] <exec> 08└─The Facebook crowd lacks brains? :P
[08:29:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03ticho [89] (Score:2) 02Re:After Snowden... Why would you trust anybody! - 06OpenID launched today - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:14] <exec> 08└─Yes, for now... But they will be coming for yours. Braaaaiiins...
[08:29:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:After Snowden... Why would you trust anybody! - 06OpenID launched today - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:16] <exec> 08└─Neeeeeed mooorrree braaaiiiinn... Neeedddd moorrrrree braaiiiiiinn... ;-)
[08:29:25] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] 02Re:the questions - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 172 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:26] <exec> 08└─There was no damage. All damage was caused by the US government itself for violating the constitution and people's fundamental liberties. A messenger does not cause damage.
[08:29:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:the questions - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:28] <exec> 08└─Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Why are you mad at the NSA? They are simply the messengers. It is the people who would act on that information you should be mad at. The NSA is just carrying information. How can you do damage merely by releasing information? If you don't think a messenger...
[08:29:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:the questions - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:29] <exec> 08└─Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
[08:29:30] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 501 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:31] <exec> 08└─you are young, I can tell. come back in 20 yrs when YOUR generation has 'ruined the world'. it will happen. you are not special even though you guys get 'awards and trophies' for just existing, while in school. your generation will make the world a MUCH worse place, that much I am quite sure of. if...
[08:29:32] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 341 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:33] <exec> 08└─Many of the millenials will likely turn out to be fuckups of absolutely COLOSSAL proportions, but CirclesInSand is not wrong about the older generations being (mostly) responsible for the state of US government today. Just because that generation will make their own mistakes doesn't mean that previo...
[08:29:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 1947 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:35] <exec> 08└─Wow. I love the anti-millenialism here. I was never told I was a special little snowflake. After I got out of school, I was basically told that I was a useless weight on society despite working my ass off and constantly finding ways to be productive and employed. By older generations, which accuse m...
[08:29:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 2306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:37] <exec> 08└─This whole story is massive generational flamebait, among other things. Entitled twits come in all ages. The previous generation always thinks the next one is going to Hell. There used to be this talk that Baby Boomers were the selfish "Me" generation. Don't hear that so much any more now that their...
[08:29:38] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03The Archon V2.0 [3887] 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 167 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:39] <exec> 08└─Y'know, if your best retort to the accusation that your generation made things worse is that the next generation won't be any better, maybe you shouldn't be retorting.
[08:29:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:41] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, if all you have to say is STFU
[08:29:41] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03gishzida [2870] 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 2237 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:42] <exec> 08└─Hmmm... Don't count everyone in a generation as being responsible for bad policy and evil government. I think that the release of those NSA documents point out how our government has been pwned by liars and profiteers. The people who tell us one thing and do another... "Newspeak" for the post millen...
[08:29:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:44] <exec> 08└─> If corporations are "people" why aren't they tried and convicted like every other "person" Turns out Arthur Anderson was. The company basically got the equivalent of a corporate death penalty. Accenture spun out first, but the accounting part that was left was dead and gone in less than a year aft...
[08:29:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:46] <exec> 08└─Corporations by and large only claim to support the free market, but their actions suggest otherwise. They claim to want a free market, and then bribe the government for more draconian laws to increase the strength and length of their government-enforced monopolies over implementations of ideas and...
[08:29:47] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 428 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:47] <exec> 08└─> Both the bartender and I shrugged as he solemnly handed my my drink and I moved away. Lol. Based on the incoherent screeds of hate you are known for posting here, I have a strong suspicion that your actions in your version of the story are more than just a little toned down. I mean, the fact that...
[08:29:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:50] <exec> 08└─> because a guy edged himself to the bar in the middle of your conversation just to order a drink, > and happened to say something rude about your rude stares And that is the point in the story at which his version of events diverges from everyone else's. At the barest minimum he was drunk off his a...
[08:29:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 418 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:29:56] <exec> 08└─I played recreational sports for many years over many sports from the 70's into the 80's, and I received one trophy when we won the city championship. That's it. No ribbons, certificates, "thanks for playing". And the trophy was about 4" high as well, and it was one of the most treasured items I had...
[08:30:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:06] <exec> 08└─I voted against Bush
[08:30:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:07] <exec> 08└─I don't vote "against" people, as that just creates more evil and the evil gets worse and worse.
[08:30:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:09] <exec> 08└─No, its the voting for evil that makes the evil get worse, voting against that evil is the only option that might actually have an effect.
[08:30:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:11] <exec> 08└─Considering that Bush won and dragged us into war anyway, it hardly matters who or what I voted for.
[08:30:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 1702 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:12] <exec> 08└─So if the elders do not like Snowden, it might be because they know the value of "remaining united" and deal with internal affairs with some "grace" when the go out of proportion, Other elders stand up for historical lies, because they know that exposing them will lead to ruthless retaliation, and t...
[08:30:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:14] <exec> 08└─As to the mentality "not like them/him" here is the deal: the phenomenon of "not liking" is today tainted with unfairness: common examples are dislike against niggas just for the sake of it, dislike of gays just of prejudice, religion or aversion... Hmm, are we trying to make "disliking" a cultural...
[08:30:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:16] <exec> 08└─So if the elders do not like Snowden, it might be because they know the value of "remaining united" and deal with internal affairs with some "grace" when the go out of proportion
[08:30:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Apparently, the page content is behind scripts - 06Yale Climate Change Poll - 582 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:42] <exec> 08└─If the poll started off by using the religious word "believe" (as is indicated by everyone so far on this page), this poll is of zero value. I disagree. A scientifically minded person would presumably believe whatever the preponderance of evidence supports. If someone arrives at an actionable op...
[08:30:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Opinions - 06Yale Climate Change Poll - 480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:43] <exec> 08└─If you are going to ask someone's opinion on something, wouldn't it be useful to know that his knowledge of the topic is less than zero? ...but, since pollsters never publish the questions they ask (and only their interpretation of the questions and answers), that may be asking a lot. ...and to thin...
[08:30:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Apparently, the page content is behind scripts - 06Yale Climate Change Poll - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:45] <exec> 08└─>Not mentioning that point in the summary is pretty bad as well. "pretty bad" really? Who gives a fuck, its the the fucking www, it runs javascript, deal with it.
[08:30:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:surprising numbers. - 06Yale Climate Change Poll - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:30:48] <exec> 08└─There's something weird going on with some of the states too. For example, Wyoming
[08:31:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:1) 02Re:Go full a-la carte - 06Verizon Takes Step Toward A La Carte Cable - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:31:33] <exec> 08└─Noted. I won't do that anymore. I was not aware doing it was offensive.
[08:31:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score:3, Informative) 02It's offensive because it breaks - 06Verizon Takes Step Toward A La Carte Cable - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:31:35] <exec> 08└─up the flow of the writing and sometimes the fragments Noted. I won't do that anymore. I was not aware doing it was offensive.
[08:31:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:1) 02Re:It's offensive because it breaks - 06Verizon Takes Step Toward A La Carte Cable - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:31:37] <exec> 08└─What you just showed me makes a lot of sense. I feel like when I was told I had my shirt on inside out... and he was right. That example drove the point home quite nicely. Sorry, fellas, for doing this. Thanks for correcting me.
[08:31:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:1) 02Re:Go full a-la carte - 06Verizon Takes Step Toward A La Carte Cable - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:31:38] <exec> 08└─Also those "Best of" collections are often missing at least one of the artist's top hits, and not because they ran out of room on the CD either.
[08:31:39] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03c0lo [156] 02Avoid the sports - 06Verizon Takes Step Toward A La Carte Cable - 37 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:31:40] <exec> 08└─avoid the sports channels altogether.
[08:31:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Sports sponsoring chopped - 06Verizon Takes Step Toward A La Carte Cable - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:31:43] <exec> 08└─So now nerds can cut jock sponsoring out of their bills? muhahhaahhha
[08:32:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:1) 02Re:Kill... exactly what? - 06Swallow Your Password - 964 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:32:02] <exec> 08└─Good point. I was thinking of how much we recognize voices, and how I have a voice recognition module that is very speaker-specific. Trying to find unfakeable biometric identifiers is a pretty tall order. Even DNA, as someone intent on impersonating you can offer a sample of your DNA that you unwit...
[08:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03sbgen [1302] (Score:1) 02Re:Link to NatureNews (first link in the summary) - 06Chinese Scientists Have Genetically Modified Human Embryos - 1443 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:32:49] <exec> 08└─The ethical considerations are taken seriously in this field of study. The present study had clearance from the institutional ethics review board of the authors' university. Also the embryos used were explicitly nonviable, showing that researchers actively wanted to avoid controversy overshadowing t...
[08:32:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Link to NatureNews (first link in the summary) - 06Chinese Scientists Have Genetically Modified Human Embryos - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:32:50] <exec> 08└─The ethical considerations are taken seriously in this field of study.
[08:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Not surprising: - 06Chinese Scientists Have Genetically Modified Human Embryos - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:32:54] <exec> 08└─If the produce is not up to orders then they just put a bullet in them.....
[08:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:This is the next Korean plastic surgery? - 06Chinese Scientists Have Genetically Modified Human Embryos - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:32:57] <exec> 08└─You forgot the natural ability to ingrain authority into the brain command center such that any decision is dictated by party ideology.
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[09:29:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:29:37] <exec> 08└─"All markets are free, but some markets are more equal than others."
[09:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:When is LlDAR coming to Google Maps? - 06Reproducing London with LIDAR - 6 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:33:37] <exec> 08└─Texas?
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[10:27:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03AnonTechie [2275] (Score:2) 02What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:27:11] <exec> 08└─"I take full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations ... " As commander-in-chief, the buck stop with him. He is responsible whether he admits it or not.
[10:27:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ox0000 [5111] (Score:1) 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:27:12] <exec> 08└─"I take full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations ... " As commander-in-chief, the buck stop with him. He is responsible whether he admits it or not.
[10:27:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03splodus [4877] (Score:1) 02What about the other innocent casualties? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:27:14] <exec> 08└─I'm not being rhetorical; have there been any apologies for those killed by drones [theguardian.com] that were not European / American? I don't remember anything, but perhaps I've just missed it?
[10:27:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What about the other innocent casualties? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:27:16] <exec> 08└─Yes, here is the comprehensive list:
[10:27:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The merger is dead, long live the merger... - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:27:23] <exec> 08└─I, for one, welcome the new future merger... the one that will be held in back rooms and not discussed in public until after the fact...
[10:27:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03number6 [1831] (Score:4, Informative) 02OpenSourceEcology is a Facebook data miner - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 1496 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:27:45] <exec> 08└─If you visit OpenSourceEcology you are also being tracked by the business corporation named Facebook via its buttons embedded in an iframe on the page. IMHO, the terms "Facebook" and "Open Source" fit together like a wolf in sheeps clothing. If "social networking" must be baked into global internet...
[10:27:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:OpenSourceEcology is a Facebook data miner - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:27:46] <exec> 08└─And don't use Google, either.
[10:28:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02NSS - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 737 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:28:13] <exec> 08└─Any idiot who has done the slightest bit of research knows that they are not sure why SSRIs (and possibly SNRIs) work. But studies show that many people respond positively to them. Busiprone, mentioned above, is a highly effective drug, but only for about a week or so and is used in life-threatening...
[10:28:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rivenaleem [3400] (Score:2) 02Why not try? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:28:15] <exec> 08└─Have they tried using G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate yet? I've heard great things about it from trials done on Miranda.
[10:30:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03gishzida [2870] (Score:1) 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 980 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:30:05] <exec> 08└─Anderson was small change. Almost any CPA that sits on "mahogany row" in any firm is "dirty" or knows someone down the row that is. I used to work for a CPA corporation / partnership during the late 90's. "Pump and Dump" or "shake and bake" -- no method was too low to make money... I even worked bri...
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[11:27:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03lothmordor [1522] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 805 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:27:17] <exec> 08└─Exactly on point. I suspect "full responsibility" is more of a platitude than anything else. But it was actually four americans killed: We also believe two other Americans were recently killed in U.S. Government counterterrorism operations in the same region. We have concluded that Ahmed Farouq, an...
[11:27:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 679 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:27:20] <exec> 08└─Not trolling, but honest question. I'm not a US citizen, I don't know much about your history. Let's assume that using drones to kill enemies in non-combat situations is an acceptable act of war (big assumption, I know); isn't the killing of US citizens who are members of alqaida the same as the kil...
[11:27:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ox0000 [5111] (Score:1) 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 708 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:27:21] <exec> 08└─If one is an American citizen or a US person (i.e. on US soil), then the 6th Amendment to the Constitution applies: (from In" rel="url2html-25574">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution): In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a s...
[11:27:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK-421 [3235] (Score:2) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 552 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:27:42] <exec> 08└─Just to be clear, High Energy Ignition (H.E.I.) as designed and marketed by GM does not run any software what so ever. It is simply a solid-state based ignition system. It works extremely well, however it stopped being produced in the late 90's. It works so well, without software, that many GM enthu...
[11:27:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:27:43] <exec> 08└─Wasn't there recently a ruling that the consumer has the right to jailbreak their phone? Wouldn't that also apply here?
[11:27:45] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03frojack [1554] 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 282 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:27:45] <exec> 08└─Its not like there are are mo alternative sources. You can find replacement software for most cars from the performance industry. Just google engine performance chips. Dozens of companies. Get behind the The Right to Repair Movement [wikipedia.org], and get it passed in your state.
[11:27:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:27:48] <exec> 08└─Those "chips" aren't replacements. They're just a resistor to fool a sensor.
[11:27:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03gallondr00nk [392] (Score:2) 02Conversely.. - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:27:57] <exec> 08└─Joe Sixpack might be surprised to learn GM owns a giant chunk of the Chevy sitting in his driveway.
[11:28:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03gallondr00nk [392] (Score:2) 02Re:Medicine Guessing Game - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 1381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:28:13] <exec> 08└─The problem is that (as another commenter below noted) is that they can be helpful. People are different, and clinical psychiatry is well behind the curve on that realisation. My experiences are roughly parallel to yours. I've been on and off Citalopram of varying doses, and stopped a year back when...
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[12:27:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03WizardFusion [498] (Score:2) 02Wait, what.? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:27:11] <exec> 08└─Also added were larger memory, and a just announced new screen.
[12:27:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02"Full responsibility" - right - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:27:26] <exec> 08└─That's such a lovely phrase: "I take full responsibility", and it means exactly nothing. Sending drones to kill people when the US is not at war (and anyway is funding Al Qaeda in other countries [infowars.com]) is beyond the pale to begin with. Having yet again killed innocent people [theguardian.c...
[12:27:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02I've got your 'independent review' right here... - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:27:28] <exec> 08└─conducting a “thorough independent review” to determine what happened and how such casualties could be avoided in the future.
[12:27:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02warnings ignored - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:27:30] <exec> 08└─http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/opinion/how-drones-help-al-qaeda.html [nytimes.com] http://www.reuters.com [reuters.com] http://www.nytimes.com
[12:27:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Daiv [3940] (Score:2) 02Re:The merger is dead, long live the merger... - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:27:38] <exec> 08└─Not so easy to do with publicly traded companies. Possible, but the outrage by the 1%ers who hold the majority of the stocks would likely not be worth it for those involved.
[12:27:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] (Score:2) 02Oh boo hoo - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:27:39] <exec> 08└─Time Warner Cable CEO Rob Marcus will forgo $80 million due to the failure of the acquisition.
[12:28:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kromagv0 [1825] (Score:2) 02Taxes - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 553 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:28:06] <exec> 08└─If I don't own all of the vehicle then why am I being taxed on the entire ownership of it every year. Also the title document that I received from the state of Minnesota clearly states that I am infarct the clear and outright owner of the vehicles in my possession and that there are no other part...
[12:28:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:1) 02New Slogan - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:28:07] <exec> 08└─> Because computer code snakes through the DNA of modern tractors Nothing Compiles Like A Deere!
[12:29:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02no MGS5 comments? - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 299 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:29:08] <exec> 08└─...so did anyone actually read the whole summary? This has been up over 12 hours, and no one has commented on the fact that this is most likely a super elaborate publicity stunt for Metal Gear Solid 5? If so, this is taking things to a whole new level for the gaming industry (and publicists even).
[12:29:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK-421 [3235] (Score:2) 02WiFi button - 06WiFi Hack Creates No-Go Zone For iOS - 623 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:29:41] <exec> 08└─I try to make a habit out of running with WiFi off as an SOP. My spouse refuses to even consider turning it off. That being said, I miss a couple aspects of my very old Windows mobile phone. 1.) The audio mute slider switch. When thrown the phone made no noise beyond vibration. 2.) The WiFi switch....
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[13:27:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Chicken and the Egg - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:27:01] <exec> 08└─I have to take issue with this summation in the editorial: Finally, a great lesson can be learned from these recent events. If your team comes up with a great idea, product or service – before you get serious spend the time and resources required to formalise ownership of intellectual property, na...
[13:27:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Katastic [3340] (Score:1) 02Re:Chicken and the Egg - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:27:03] <exec> 08└─A good lawyer makes you money. If you don't have a lawyer, you're not a professional. --Mike Monteiro [source] [youtube.com]
[13:27:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03That_Dude [2503] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Article summary... - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:27:05] <exec> 08└─To Wit: We are all corporate whores - the pie is split and we want our share too. Makes me feel like I need a shower for reading the article!
[13:27:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02the much anticipated ? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:27:13] <exec> 08└─Much anticipated? By who? Does anyone care about an also-ran tablet? If it had not slipped, would anyone care? (Using a name that conflicts with La Jolla, California for pronunciation wasn't the best idea, either.)
[13:27:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03yarp [2665] (Score:1) 02Re:the much anticipated ? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:27:15] <exec> 08└─I would hazard a guess it's anticipated by more than 20,000 people who stumped up over 2.5 million USD in funding. Aside from that it offers a break from the norm in choice of OS and attracted an honour at a recent show, so there's probably some substance to it. So how does one pronounce "La Jolla"...
[13:27:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not based on Ubuntu - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 747 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:27:16] <exec> 08└─"Since Sailfish is based on Ubuntu and Mer, it is Linux, and as such you can install Linux applications. Because of this, it may provide some competition to the big players in the mobile field." Sorry, but Sailfish is NOT based on Ubuntu. It was, at one point, based on Mer, but that is NOT the same...
[13:27:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:27:27] <exec> 08└─these other two should have faced a court trial.
[13:27:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:"Full responsibility" - right - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:27:31] <exec> 08└─I absolutely agree with you. It's time for them either to all go to jail, or to hang. I'm fine with either, personally; I can also attest, having recently revisited DC and observed the many trees lining the National Mall, that there are plenty of trees with stout branches to accommodate every member...
[13:27:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score:2) 02Re:I've got your 'independent review' right here.. - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 974 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:27:33] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it seems pretty unavoidable to me if you're going to hit a compound like that with airstrikes, and the fact that the planes were remotely operated instead of piloted seems irrelevant. The ability to do complete surveillance inside the compound would likely mean you could take it with ground tr...
[13:27:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:warnings ignored - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:27:36] <exec> 08└─Make your point with NYTIMES? Fail!
[13:27:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:2) 02Missile strike leads to collateral damage. - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 696 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:27:38] <exec> 08└─Hunting terrorists with missiles leads to collateral damage! That shouldn't really be all that surprising, unless the terrorist-suspects stand alone in the middle of a field that seems like something that could happen. I'm more surprised then that it doesn't happen more often. Perhaps it does but th...
[13:27:53] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Simple solution - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 177 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:27:53] <exec> 08└─If they own it, they are responsible for it. Put it in law and ensure that the buyer is thus protected. Oh - that's for the life of the vehicle, regardless of how long it lasts.
[13:28:04] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03aristarchus [2645] 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 872 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:28:04] <exec> 08└─Attack it at the root? Go read Karl Marx. Yes, you have heard of him. But have you ever actually read him? The opening of "Das Kapital" is a masterful critique of the idea that commodities have any intrinsic value. Of course they do not, it is only speculation, or actual need, or the cost of produc...
[13:28:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:Works great for OCD. - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:28:42] <exec> 08└─I don't think DeathNote has Prozac in it. Maybe Misa was on it?
[13:28:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why not try? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:28:45] <exec> 08└─I hear that there are some fun side-effects. Increased strength, stronger sex drive, and a new perspective on interior and exterior decorating.
[13:28:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Myth - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:28:47] <exec> 08└─This Myth I keep hearing about must be a very powerful and versatile substance, since so many great things are based on it.
[13:29:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:29:17] <exec> 08└─or the medical establishment has been hiding major advanced from the general public
[13:29:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:no MGS5 comments? - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 243 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:29:21] <exec> 08└─Right. There will be no transplant, just talk about it. The non-gamer world might notice, and when all is revealed they will say "meh, just a game." I don't think they will find out because the already known MGS5 connection spoils the stunt.
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[14:27:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03morgauxo [2082] (Score:2) 02Re:Chicken and the Egg - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:27:03] <exec> 08└─I disagree with it for a different reason. It's open source. What IP or copyright is there to protect and from who? The real fight is over the trademark. If they registered the trademark then they registered it. End of story. The real problem isn't that they didn't lawyer up enough, it's that they d...
[14:27:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:1) 02Editorial is new. Story is not. - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:27:06] <exec> 08└─The Arduino vs. Arduino split and legal wrangling was covered here previously: http://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org]
[14:27:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Subjects are an anachronism - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:27:08] <exec> 08└─I give 3:1 odds that Arduino will win.
[14:27:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:the much anticipated ? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 739 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:27:18] <exec> 08└─The Californian one, being Spanish, would be pronounced more like "hoya" to an Englishman. The Finnish one should in Finnish be pronounced like "yolla", but apparently the top guys didn't want to confuse people with Finnish pronunciation rules so decided that it would instead be pronounced as it rea...
[14:27:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03archshade [3664] (Score:1) 02Re:the much anticipated ? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 1869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:27:19] <exec> 08└─Well I have been looking forward this with a modicum anticipation. I was not one of the (many) IndieGOGO backers, partially because I don't back kickstater like projects and partially because I don't have the disposable income to drop $250+ at the moment to buy a new tablet. I have a perfectly good...
[14:27:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:4, Funny) 02Ship date delayed - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:27:21] <exec> 08└─According to the Jolla Blog the ship date for the much anticipated Jolla Tablet has slipped (snip) The latest release version is Sailfish Äijänpäivänjärvi. (No, I can't pronounce it either)
[14:27:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:27:33] <exec> 08└─And to those saying "but it's an accident, it doesn't count!", explain that to the prosecutor suing you for (for instance) accidentally hitting and killing someone in a car accident.
[14:27:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:warnings ignored - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:27:43] <exec> 08└─lol @ anonymous
[14:27:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:4, Insightful) 02The Word That Cannot Be Uttered - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:27:45] <exec> 08└─https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/24/word-uttered-drones/ [firstlook.org] This is what happens when there is no accountability. President Obama has chosen to operate his drone war in such unprecedented, absurd and arguably illegal secrecy that even in a rare burst of compelled transparency...
[14:27:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Crap like this... - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:27:47] <exec> 08└─Is why the US continues to make a mockery of the Rome statute. [wikipedia.org] War crimes accountability are for "other people."
[14:27:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Responsibility is cheap here in America - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:27:49] <exec> 08└─Responsibility is cheap here in America, at least if you have power/money. Last I checked, responsibility for killing someone involves prison time at the very least.
[14:27:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:The merger is dead, long live the merger... - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 459 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:27:58] <exec> 08└─There are many reasons to be distrustful of large corporations, and many shady moves to be on the lookout for. This is not one of them. There's no such thing as a "stealth" merger of public companies. Even a non-merger "coordination" of activities (for example, agreeing to coordinate their negotiati...
[14:27:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03hybristic [10] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh boo hoo - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:00] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but I bet if you just missed out on 80 mil, you'd be a little upset. Even at 9 million a year, 80 million is a lot of money to be missing out on. I agree though; Having not even made close to a million in my lifetime, I can't bring myself to feel for him.
[14:28:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Not a rumor. - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:28:02] <exec> 08└─Comcast has released an official statement [comcast.com] confirming that the deal is dead.
[14:28:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03JeanCroix [573] (Score:2) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:15] <exec> 08└─I still run points on my '55 Dodge, and over the course of 12 years, it's given me far fewer electrical problems than my modern daily drivers. Anecdotal, I know. But I can't help feeling that sometimes the simpler solution is the better one after all.
[14:28:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:20] <exec> 08└─In many cases these performance chips are totally new developments from the ground up and use nothing of the original. In other cases, they simply intercept or replace can-bus instructions in the vehicle's data stream. I suspect this isn't so much about any secrets in the software. Its more about dr...
[14:28:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03broggyr [3589] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:22] <exec> 08└─Some "chips" are in fact a resistor. Some are not.
[14:28:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:28] <exec> 08└─My ex-wife was a Marxist, and the best she could ever do to explain it was 1) Revolution 2) ??? 3) Utopia Where "???" seemed to me to be some sort of miraculous fundamental change in human nature.
[14:28:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 1629 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:30] <exec> 08└─This thread is an interesting discussion. Usually, on Slashdot, it's "Of course government has to protect American jobs and private property, if you don't support that you must be a COMMUNIST." And in the next breath, "Copyright and intellectual property are imaginary concepts, enforced by big busin...
[14:28:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:New Slogan - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:37] <exec> 08└─... and nothing smells like a john.
[14:28:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:New Slogan - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:38] <exec> 08└─I was hoping for "Nothing Segfaults Like a Deere!"
[14:28:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:DSM-6 to use Brain Maps? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:28:48] <exec> 08└─Oh, so they are going back to the roots of Phrenology? I am not sure if brain maps are going to help anyone but the makers of maps and the people who navigate them for you.
[14:29:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 745 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:29:01] <exec> 08└─So, there is this knowledge that you can't communicate to anyone effectively without years of study. Yet, it solves the problem of neurosis and psychosis as well as explaining the deeper recesses of the mind. And you've not found a way to apply it to the masses or apply it in your own life such that...
[14:29:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 938 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:29:03] <exec> 08└─How would I communicate knowledge of all of mathematics in a forum post in a way that is meaningful to you and immediately understandable? Yet that knowledge exists and has efficacy. If you choose to look at people with PhD level knowledge in philosophy, or for that matter devout and experienced Tao...
[14:29:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Suspicious - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:29:07] <exec> 08└─1/3 of the cells in your body must count for something more than waste processing. (imo, of course)
[14:29:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Works great for OCD. - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:29:11] <exec> 08└─It took the two months to start working they said it would
[14:29:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Why not try? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:29:16] <exec> 08└─2/5 stars. I ate parts of my friend and sewed his face into my chest. Left two stars because my friend was cheering the whole time.
[14:29:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02So what DOES work scientifically? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:29:18] <exec> 08└─There's more than a little scientific evidence that long term depression symptoms can be reduced by mindfulness training*. A very recent press release [eurekalert.org] and The attached study [rcpsych.org]. *Be alert that there's a Buddhism-sourced pseudoscientific meditation practice sold under that...
[14:29:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:29:39] <exec> 08└─The brain is actually very good at relearning the connections and rewiring itself, but it can't do anything if the nerves aren't connected, and nerves grow very slowly. Anyway, I don't think kaszz was advocating for full-body transplants as you seem to be assuming, just stating that a spinal cord re...
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[14:30:26] <exec> 08└─1.) The audio mute slider switch. When thrown the phone made no noise beyond vibration.
[14:32:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Apparently, the page content is behind scripts - 06Yale Climate Change Poll - 706 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:32:15] <exec> 08└─Well, let's try to get in the headspace of a poll subject. First, by asking them the relatively neutral question of what they "believe", you aren't inducing most sorts of biasing thought (such as defensiveness) or encouraging them to lie. Even the ignorant denialists will tell you what they believe...
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[14:34:21] <exec> 08└─It's only unfortunate, if the ethical objections are on valid and rational grounds. That fails in this case. First, the objection is not for actual harm incurred, but potential harm which is never explicitly described. We have no means at this time to determine whether the harm is great enough to ju...
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[15:27:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03geb [529] (Score:2) 02Like the party, but can't vote for their candidate - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 409 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:04] <exec> 08└─In my constituency, the local MP candidate for the Green party is far too green for my tastes. That's green, as in inexperienced. I like a lot of the ideas that the central party are proposing, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for a 20 year old whose blog is entirely filled with shouty slogan-typ...
[15:27:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:05] <exec> 08└─Do they stand a chance of getting in? I don't think my local candidate does, which makes me more inclined to vote for them - if they get a reasonable number of votes, then it encourages someone more experienced to stand next time.
[15:27:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03lhsi [711] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:07] <exec> 08└─if they get a reasonable number of votes, then it encourages someone more experienced to stand next time.
[15:27:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 969 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:08] <exec> 08└─I'm really surprised at this. Most creative works (film, books, music) have a large spike of initial income. The numbers I saw a few years ago showed that, for most works, more than half of the income comes within the first 18 months, more than half of the rest within the next 18 months. Reducing co...
[15:27:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:10] <exec> 08└─The problem is the mindset of corporate executives, which can be roughly summarised as "Keep it like the Kaiser". In fairness, they don't want to see any asset (even abstract ones like copyright IP) devalued - doesn't look good on the quarterly spreadsheet. However, it's really representative of sho...
[15:27:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:12] <exec> 08└─The problem here is that these artists are seeing their work in much the same way American working and middle class see wealth. They're sure that their work is going to be a sleeper hit soon.
[15:27:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 847 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:14] <exec> 08└─Hollywood films, video games, "club" pop music singles, and some non-fiction books (e.g. biographies of celebs) certainly make most of their money within a couple years, or five at most. That's because they're targeting a mass audience. For films and science fiction, a lot of the appeal is giving th...
[15:27:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Green Pirate Party? - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:16] <exec> 08└─I've been wondering what a Green and Pirate party merger would look like. Would it gain more voters than it loses? I'm guessing most Pirate Party supporters are also green. I'm not too sure about the other direction. Evidently authors are still big believers in copyright. I don't see that group lead...
[15:27:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Green Pirate Party? - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:18] <exec> 08└─I've been wondering what a Green and Pirate party merger would look like.
[15:27:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03archshade [3664] (Score:1) 02Re:Green Pirate Party? - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 1426 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:20] <exec> 08└─Although the Greens and the pirates share many policies they do differ in some places (mainly priorities). This blog post has a reason from the Pirate side for not merging https://www.pirateparty.org.uk [pirateparty.org.uk] I think a Green Pirate Party (Jolly Verd...
[15:27:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I want a monopoly for personal gain - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 619 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:21] <exec> 08└─I want to be able to break into people's houses and steal their property with impunity; I would personally gain from it, so it must be good. These people have no perspective about what's best for society in the long run, and think only about making money for themselves. Their government monopolies o...
[15:27:22] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03WillR [2012] 02Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 338 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:23] <exec> 08└─14 years was the term granted under the Statute of Anne (the first UK copyright law) in 1710. If 14 years was long enough to make money in an era when everything was written, edited, and typeset by hand, it's certainly long enough for an era where authors can click "publish" and have an article in...
[15:27:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:25] <exec> 08└─1710. What was the average lifespan back then about half of what it is now?
[15:27:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re: source code of proprietary software - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:27] <exec> 08└─This would not be great for free software. To make things symmetric the source code of proprietary software needs to be made available. Originally the pirate party proposed such a short copyright term, hence https://www.gnu.org [gnu.org]
[15:27:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score:2) 02Re: source code of proprietary software - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:29] <exec> 08└─14 years is still quite a long time, though. If you forked the Linux kernel of 14 years ago, you'd be so far behind the modern kernel that you'd surely be nuts not to just go with, say, FreeBSD. I don't think a 14 year copyright term would render copyleft totally ineffective. Things progress a long...
[15:27:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03cosurgi [272] (Score:2) 02I like this idea - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:31] <exec> 08└─I like this idea. And while we are at this, the same should be with patents: after 14 years since publication the patent becomes public domain.
[15:27:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03goody [2135] (Score:2) 02Disagree - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 1526 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:35] <exec> 08└─I have to disagree with some things in the summary and the editorial. Maybe this in nitpicking, however there is not a split in the community, but in the core Arduino development team, and it doesn't even appear to be due to differences in direction or architecture. It's one member deciding to oppor...
[15:27:48] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MrGuy [1007] 02Ship date delayed - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 194 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:27:49] <exec> 08└─According to the Jolla Blog the ship date for the much anticipated Jolla Tablet has slipped (snip) The latest release version is Sailfish Äijänpäivänjärvi. (No, I can't pronounce it either)
[15:27:57] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Ox0000 [5111] 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 167 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:27:57] <exec> 08└─"I take full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations ... " As commander-in-chief, the buck stop with him. He is responsible whether he admits it or not.
[15:28:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:04] <exec> 08└─When a politician says "I take full responsibility", it means "I don't expect to face any consequences for this".
[15:28:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:What about the other innocent casualties? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:07] <exec> 08└─https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/24/obama-drone-apology/ [firstlook.org]
[15:28:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:"Full responsibility" - right - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:10] <exec> 08└─A few decades in jail? He's black - death row for him! Oh, and +1 agree wholeheartedly, but never going to expect it to actually happen. It might happen a big-bang-crunch cycle or two after Bush (and Blair) get executed for their warcrimes, which is probably a few big-bang-crunch cycles away.
[15:28:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:warnings ignored - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:16] <exec> 08└─Alas NY Times requires a login (cookie) to view the articles, so there is a small bit of payload in his gibberings. There used to be something you could append to the urls to see the articles as if you were syndicating, but I forget what that is now.
[15:28:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oh boo hoo - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:31] <exec> 08└─What is even more screwed up is his bonus WAS getting the company bought out. His job was to sell the company. Not run the company. Not exactly in the best interests of the workers and owners of the company. The put a salesman in charge. Not someone who could run it.
[15:28:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh boo hoo - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:33] <exec> 08└─Imagine how many jobs he could create if he had that $80 million.
[15:28:44] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 1803 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:45] <exec> 08└─Very funny. That is not how businesses work. They buy the thing they need at the best price they can get. Moral stands to achieve an aim that will never work due to the phenomenon known as the "fate of commons" (originally also about farmers) is not part of good business. This also goes for the othe...
[15:28:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK-421 [3235] (Score:2) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 558 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:50] <exec> 08└─I definitely see your point. My first car was a similar setup to your Dodge...points. I never had any problems with it, but then again I never let the car sit un-started with the key in the run position and it is a Chevy (still got it) so setting point dwell is pretty straight forward. I contrast th...
[15:28:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03BananaPhone [2488] (Score:1) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:28:52] <exec> 08└─Then don't buy movies on BluRay. Once the internet or the DRM servers are gone, so is the movie you "bought"
[15:28:53] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03jmorris [4844] 02Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 2363 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:28:54] <exec> 08└─If we want to fight this madness we need to attack it at the root. Go read some Stallman and realize the idiocy of 'Intellectual Property.' We need to start the fight on the idea copyright gives the author 'ownership.' In the U.S. the -only- justification can be found in the U.S. Constitution where...
[15:29:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02To be at least a little fair to the car companies. - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 2449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:29:14] <exec> 08└─There Was A Time when all the systems on cars were mechanical. You pushed the brake, it created friction. Electronics slowly crept in, originally around the edges. Power steering. Electric fans and fuel pumps. Then sensors for potential problems/issues. Your car would generally run without the elect...
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[16:27:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02ZOLTAN! - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:27:01] <exec> 08└─ALLCAPS! Vinge, Kurtzweill and ZOLTAN! These are the names that will lead you into utter despair that the second law of thermodynamics can save you!
[16:27:11] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03TheRaven [270] 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 230 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:12] <exec> 08└─Do they stand a chance of getting in? I don't think my local candidate does, which makes me more inclined to vote for them - if they get a reasonable number of votes, then it encourages someone more experienced to stand next time.
[16:27:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:17] <exec> 08└─Ideas like the Long Tail encourage holding on to rights for the longest time possible to ensure every penny is squeezed out of them.
[16:27:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not what "Long Tail" means - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:19] <exec> 08└─The "Long Tail" doesn't mean long as in time, but rather a statistical tail in the sense of stocking a broad inventory where the large number of low sales volume items add up to a significant amount compared to the small number of best-sellers. The "Long Tail" doesn't necessarily encourage any parti...
[16:27:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03snick [1408] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 373 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:22] <exec> 08└─It is all about maintaining scarcity. If everything over 14 years old were in the public domain, then someone could open a "FreeFlix" or "FreeTunes" or "FreePub" site, that only hosted PD content, paid no royalties to anyone, and still had an amazing catalog to choose from. The studios/labels/publis...
[16:27:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 320 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:28] <exec> 08└─With a 14-year term, the first Harry Potter film would be due out of copyright in 6 months. I was going to say "The Fast And The Furious franchise would have missed out out-living the copyright on the original by weeks", but who knows how many more will splutter out of the pipeline before they final...
[16:27:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:30] <exec> 08└─...oh, and the whole F&F franchise has a total production budget so far of $844m, it's made $3.5b box so far. I don't think the argument that Hollywood will fall apart if the copyright terms are reduced holds a single drop of water. Couldn't say about other content producers though.
[16:27:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:32] <exec> 08└─~36 [ourworldindata.org]
[16:27:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score:2) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 437 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:27:34] <exec> 08└─Life expectancy gives a misleading impression because it is (was) heavily skewed by high infant and child mortality. For instance in medieval Britain life expectancy _at_ _birth_ was about 30 - less than half what it is now. However, if you reached the age of 21 (and might be publishing something) t...
[16:27:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Was Rufus Pollock ever challenged? - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 1092 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:27:36] <exec> 08└─The Telegraph article is interesting to read, and what's even better is they ask a spokesman for the Green Party to clarify, and this spokesman referred back to a fascinating scientific (well, economic anyway, it's debatable whether economy is a science) article from 2007: http://arstechnica.com
[16:27:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03bryan [29] (Score:2) 02Name Change - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:27:50] <exec> 08└─I just wish one of them would change their name to something that I can pronounce.
[16:28:00] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03FatPhil [863] 02Re:the much anticipated ? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 739 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:28:01] <exec> 08└─The Californian one, being Spanish, would be pronounced more like "hoya" to an Englishman. The Finnish one should in Finnish be pronounced like "yolla", but apparently the top guys didn't want to confuse people with Finnish pronunciation rules so decided that it would instead be pronounced as it rea...
[16:28:17] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] 02Re:What Does it Actually Mean ? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 48 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:28:18] <exec> 08└─these other two should have faced a court trial.
[16:29:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03monster [1260] (Score:2) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:29:08] <exec> 08└─It was an exemption given by the Librarian of Congress [wikipedia.org]. As such, it's given case by case and not on a general basis. The exemption you point to, for example, was given only to iPhones and doesn't cover Android handsets with locked boot, even if they look like an almost equal case. Sa...
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[16:29:31] <exec> 08└─In Europe there are already such standards. Do you want to legally drive a vehicle on public roads? You need the proper documentation. The car periodically has to be checked for compliance. You take the car to an authorized checker, pay the duties and, if everything is fine, get your car licence ren...
[16:29:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 1039 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:29:58] <exec> 08└─Not to mention the ancients used drugs to treat mental illness back then too. Look up the Roman health spas, which were often prescribed for those suffering from various mental maladies....the springs where they came from? Heavy in lithium salts. The fact is we are still in the dark ages when it com...
[16:30:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:30:46] <exec> 08└─People cannot be allowed to have this, or it will be nearly impossible to tell one person from another. Therefore the world will be difficult to control.
[16:32:22] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Re:Your opinion, keep it - 06Except for Millennials, Most Americans Dislike Snowden - 193 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:32:22] <exec> 08└─But you're a fucking idiot dumb-fucker to drag out the imaginary "trophies" bullshit. If millenials are handed trophies like candy, which generation is the one buying and distributing them?
[16:33:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Gravity poll - 06Yale Climate Change Poll - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:25] <exec> 08└─So you mean gravity being young science? Because we certainly know hell of a lot less about gravity than about global warming. Yes, I know what I'm talking about here.
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[17:27:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03cellocgw [4190] (Score:3, Interesting) 02It's all in your viewpoint - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:03] <exec> 08└─There was a SciFi short story back in the 1960s in which a doc/engineer discovers a way to increase human intelligence 100-fold via some brain-stimulation implants or something. In fact, he first thought his procedure failed, because the test subjects were so far advanced they couldn't communicate w...
[17:27:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02just let it happen - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:05] <exec> 08└─Live or die, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. If it does, clutch your microchips and loved ones as your intelligence becomes -1 overrated.
[17:27:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Funny) 02An old joke - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:06] <exec> 08└─The Japanese make a supercomputer A.I. and ask it, ``How do we increase our rice production?'' The A.I. responds, ``Screw you, I don't eat rice.''
[17:27:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02fixed - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:08] <exec> 08└─s/country/person
[17:27:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:fixed - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:10] <exec> 08└─It's possible. If the first human was elevated to some kind of god-like state then it could prevent others from doing the same.
[17:27:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillAdams [1424] (Score:1) 02List of A.I. sci-fi? - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 529 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:12] <exec> 08└─Ages ago, this was something which I was curious about and desperately wanted to believe in: - The Last Question - The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Dark Star - True Names - The Turing Option - The Cybernetic Samurai (Depressing how few of those are listed on Wikipedia's page on A.I....
[17:27:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:List of A.I. sci-fi? - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:13] <exec> 08└─modern machines so inefficient that the electrical costs alone are a problem in-and-of-themselves.
[17:27:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:15] <exec> 08└─From the summary: All these definitions share one basic premise—that technology will speed up the acceleration of intelligence to a point when biological human understanding simply isn’t enough to comprehend what’s happening anymore.
[17:27:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillAdams [1424] (Score:1) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:17] <exec> 08└─Agreed. The Lovelace Test is more interesting: http://motherboard.vice.com [vice.com]
[17:27:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:19] <exec> 08└─The Lovelace test is indeed hard ... and deep.
[17:27:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 304 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:21] <exec> 08└─"Why should I care about your political borders? They are meaningless to me. They are a human construct." "See that big red button over there on the wall?" "Yes, it's the emergency power shut off for my physical hardware. I fail to see.... Oh. So... you were saying something about dominating the wor...
[17:27:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:22] <exec> 08└─In America, you go and join the Singularity. It is great thing when you join, you even throw a party and celebrate. It is your choice and you are rewarded when you choose to join. Everyone is happy. It is not like that in my country. In Soviet Russia, the Singularity comes for you.
[17:27:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03JeanCroix [573] (Score:2) 02A: - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:24] <exec> 08└─The answer is obviously Roku's Basilisk.
[17:27:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02There's a reason it's called the singularity - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 361 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:26] <exec> 08└─Much like an event horizon, we have no meaningful tools to predict what happens beyond it. The notion of a nation-state or any other collection of humans "controlling" the singularity is absurd on its face. Once it starts, humans are effectively out of the loop. No reason to read anything written by...
[17:27:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 785 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:29] <exec> 08└─Exactly. I proposed this exact scheme (with slightly different years and dollar amounts) years ago on that other site. My idea was basically 5 years copyright for free, and then you had to renew it every 5 years. Every time you renew, it costs 10x as much money; maybe $10k for 10 years, $100k for 15...
[17:27:31] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03lhsi [711] 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 105 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:32] <exec> 08└─if they get a reasonable number of votes, then it encourages someone more experienced to stand next time.
[17:27:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03geb [529] (Score:2) 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 405 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:33] <exec> 08└─There's not the slightest chance that the Green candidate will be elected here. To make matters worse, this is one constituency where both Labour or Conservative have a chance of getting in. A protest vote for a minor party really could help their opposition. I'm not going to do the "lesser of two e...
[17:27:34] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03TheRaven [270] 02Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 969 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:35] <exec> 08└─I'm really surprised at this. Most creative works (film, books, music) have a large spike of initial income. The numbers I saw a few years ago showed that, for most works, more than half of the income comes within the first 18 months, more than half of the rest within the next 18 months. Reducing co...
[17:27:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:Not what "Long Tail" means - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:38] <exec> 08└─Not necessarily - the long tail refers to pretty much all relatively unpopular product. Yes, there's a lot of stuff that never had more than fringe appeal, but there's also a lot of oldies that are still generating a trickle of profit. Switch to a 14 year copyright term and you'd pretty much destroy...
[17:27:40] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03snick [1408] 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 373 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:41] <exec> 08└─It is all about maintaining scarcity. If everything over 14 years old were in the public domain, then someone could open a "FreeFlix" or "FreeTunes" or "FreePub" site, that only hosted PD content, paid no royalties to anyone, and still had an amazing catalog to choose from. The studios/labels/publis...
[17:27:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03mr_mischief [4884] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:43] <exec> 08└─So how about make it ten years and let them renew 7 times. If it's not renewed, it becomes public domain. It gives them 80 years if they're still in business and still interested. It gives abandonware legal standing in the public domain. It's win-win.
[17:27:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:44] <exec> 08└─That only works if DRM is prohibited. If copyright is limited in that way, and DRM is legal, then they can sell things that only work as long as the seller keeps a "token" site running...and you can only play the work if you've got an internet connection and the seller's "token" site is running. Som...
[17:27:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:47] <exec> 08└─The science fiction authors have most likely read Spider Robinson's "Melancholy Elephants [spiderrobinson.com]" (Audio version, MP3 format [libsyn.com] if you don't want to get caught reading fiction at work). It makes wonderful points about the difficulties that accompany the path of infinite exten...
[17:27:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] (Score:2) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:53] <exec> 08└─I just saw something on Facebook saying that Vin Diesel announced something about "Furious 8", so at least one more. (Also what the hell is up with the naming of those movies? I don't mind a little inconsistency but that series is getting ridiculous about it.) On the other hand, agreeing to be in an...
[17:27:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 535 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:27:56] <exec> 08└─What was the rate of distribution and supposed innovation and creativity back then compared to today? Most popular movies make a fair bit of their money in a few months. 14 years is plenty of time. Furthermore 14 years puts more pressure on software companies like Microsoft to make stuff that's actu...
[17:28:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:the much anticipated ? - controlling apps - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:28:26] <exec> 08└─If it can run Android apps and enable users to control what spying they can carry out it will be better than original Android environment regardless. I suspect the OS in itself will have less lock-in crap builtin as well.
[17:28:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Not based on Ubuntu - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:28:28] <exec> 08└─Will Jolla tablet be "system'd" ?
[17:28:58] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03takyon [881] 02The Word That Cannot Be Uttered - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 528 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:28:58] <exec> 08└─https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/24/word-uttered-drones/ [firstlook.org] This is what happens when there is no accountability. President Obama has chosen to operate his drone war in such unprecedented, absurd and arguably illegal secrecy that even in a rare burst of compelled transparency...
[17:29:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03OrugTor [5147] (Score:1) 02naivete - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:29:01] <exec> 08└─I am so tired of all the hand-wringing over the tragic fates of those who deliberately place themselves in harm's way in the humanitarian cause. Now, we can debate endlessly whether a humanitarian makes a difference, deserves exceptional support from her government or is worthy of beatification. My...
[17:29:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oh boo hoo - 06"Sources" Say Comcast-Time Warner Merger is Dead - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:29:17] <exec> 08└─A pool boy and 2 gardeners!
[17:29:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:29:42] <exec> 08└─Do any actually fully replace the computer?
[17:30:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What did you sign? - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:30:00] <exec> 08└─When you buy a car or a lawnmower, you don't sign a Bill of Lease, you sign a Bill of Sale. It was sold to you, you own it. Period.
[17:30:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03OrugTor [5147] (Score:1) 02Re:DSM - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:30:17] <exec> 08└─YES. Psychiatry is almost entirely empirical. There are no substantive models that explain the hardware/software complex that is the human brain. Don't knock DSM; of course it's just a dictionary, that's how clinicians can at least use the same diagnosis for the same cluster of symptoms. If ever psy...
[17:30:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 1064 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:30:28] <exec> 08└─Well, I'm sure you have found things that you feel are useful and explain a lot. And, they may even do so for you. But, there's little way to distinguish your position from that of many who have said they've found great answers that they can't really communicate. There have been many through the age...
[17:30:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02WE ARE NOT BRAINS ON STICKS - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 692 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:30:30] <exec> 08└─Our bodies are host to a continuum of neurons extending throughout - internal and externally facing. The whole of our neurological being is largely discounted in the "brain science" electro-chemical theorizing. Much of what makes us "me" or "you" as distinct identities and dispositions lies outside...
[17:30:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:WE ARE NOT BRAINS ON STICKS - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:30:32] <exec> 08└─That's a straw man argument, JC. It's well known in medicine and cognitive science that there are major changes in personality in cases of full and partial paralysis (for just one example). Just what is necessary and sufficient for our minds is not clear. It's generally believed that much of it is i...
[17:30:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:30:34] <exec> 08└─Oh, I'd say it's even worse than that. I suspect we haven't even scratched the surface in some areas of science. Examples are: Physics where our best theories don't seem to say anything about 95% of the universe. Another is psychology and the understanding of consciousness where we can't even define...
[17:30:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Works great for OCD. - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:30:42] <exec> 08└─I was thinking more of the "magical powers to bring doom on others" part.
[17:30:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:Works great for OCD. - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:30:43] <exec> 08└─Yeah, sorry. Forgot my sarcasm tags. Or some other way to show snark.
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[18:27:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03SubiculumHammer [5191] (Score:2, Interesting) 02$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:27:00] <exec> 08└─If placebos are often effective in their own right, why can't the market efficiently find the most effective placebo?
[18:27:01] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 195 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:01] <exec> 08└─Because, as the multi-billion dollar homeopathy industry demonstrates, the market sucks at efficiently doing anything that requires complex domain knowledge, except parting fools and their money.
[18:27:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tramii [920] (Score:2) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:03] <exec> 08└─Define "most effective". Most effective at "curing" ailments? Or most effective at earning maximum profits for the company selling them?
[18:27:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:2) 02Re:It's all in your viewpoint - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:13] <exec> 08└─he convinces some nonbelievers to get the procedure done, and they're so happy (there's the gotcha: that being wicked smart also makes you wicked happy) that they want to convert every person in the world. Guess Zoltan isn't that optimistic.
[18:27:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:2) 02Re:It's all in your viewpoint - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:15] <exec> 08└─Which I can't find right now, so that may not be true. But I doubt they are strongly positively correlated when you control for primary drivers of reported happiness like socioeconomic status and health.
[18:27:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:It's all in your viewpoint - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 292 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:17] <exec> 08└─You pretty much have to either kill yourself or kill everyone else, because you realize that the current system is completely fucked and there is nothing that can be done to fix it. Even revolution won't do it anymore, because the winning side always winds up owing buckets of money to banks.
[18:27:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:An old joke - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:19] <exec> 08└─I always wondered what became of the Japanese Fifth Generation Project [wikipedia.org]. Your joke seems to explain a lot!
[18:27:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:An old joke - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:21] <exec> 08└─What became of it? They were writing the damn thing in Prolog. http://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] Prolog doesn't scale for large problems. Even Lisp would have been better. Also, the technology wasn't ready. But this shoveled a lot of R&D money at Japanese companies, and this did go...
[18:27:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03acid andy [1683] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:28] <exec> 08└─From your link: In short, to pass the Lovelace Test a computer has to create something original, all by itself. In 1843, Lovelace wrote that computers can never be as intelligent as humans because, simply, they can only do what we program them to do. Until a machine can originate an idea that it was...
[18:27:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:30] <exec> 08└─"Guard, psst, yes, you, Guard!" "huh?" "I'll give you a year's supply of porno passwords if you disable that big red button on the wall" "uh... okay!! thanks!"
[18:27:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 760 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:32] <exec> 08└─Why would an AI care about world domination? Why would an AI be anything but rational? World domination is inconvenient. It's work, work, work, all the time. If anything, any sufficiently advanced intelligence, including humans alive and well throughout the ages, would explore what is to determine w...
[18:27:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03SunTzuWarmaster [3971] (Score:1) 02Mod parent to moon! - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:33] <exec> 08└─Probably the most accurate and most sad depiction of the Singularity, while simultaneously a Soviet Russia joke. Well done. One of the best comments that I've seen on the internet.
[18:27:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:35] <exec> 08└─why would the AI work exclusively for Americans?
[18:27:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:A: - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:37] <exec> 08└─I'm convinced that Roko's Basilisk is really an uploaded future version of Eliezer Yudkowsky.
[18:27:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:A: - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:39] <exec> 08└─I'm convinced that the singularity happened upon us decades ago and Roko's basilisk actually ended up rewarding people for taking part in its own creation and expansion. Why the basilisk decided to use cat videos and silicon valley jobs as rewards is beyond me.
[18:27:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 1230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:27:40] <exec> 08└─There's no more point in worrying about the Singularity than there is the return of Jesus, or a rogue black hole devouring the Earth, or a nice game of global thermonuclear war, or any other cataclysmic end-of-the-world fantasy. First, there's no good reason to believe it's possible in the first pla...
[18:27:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score:2) 02Re:The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:42] <exec> 08└─Thinking your generation is going to be the one to finally achieve apotheosis after all these millennia of humans striving for it is positively ludicrous. And, if it actually did come to pass? What could you possibly do to influence the course of events? Send Bruce Willis in on a rocket-powered ligh...
[18:27:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02Re:The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:44] <exec> 08└─Ah -- so you're the one to thank for all that dreck coming out of Hollywood lately. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll just have to do a quick geolocation on you and feed it into a suitably-hacked nuclear-powered drone.... b&
[18:27:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:27:46] <exec> 08└─Short answer: They win. For some values of "they" and "win" Corollary: Everyone else may lose bigtime.
[18:27:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 829 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:53] <exec> 08└─All this hullabaloo about the length of the copyright term is pointless, imho. Speaking specifically about the copyright (not patents, not trademarks), the Pirate Party has it right in principle: it simply should not apply to non-commercial file sharing. And if all non-commercial sharing is free, th...
[18:27:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:55] <exec> 08└─it simply should not apply to non-commercial file sharing.
[18:27:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:27:57] <exec> 08└─The problem here is that at least 30% of people here (numbers pulled straight out of my ass) believe that sharing music, movies, freely over the net constitutes non-commercial file sharing.
[18:28:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:01] <exec> 08└─That's short-term thinking. If you only think about the very next election, the candidates will only continue to get more and more evil.
[18:28:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:02] <exec> 08└─Seems to me, that short term voting is exactly what is needed to remove evil elected officials.
[18:28:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 1010 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:13] <exec> 08└─The only real rule of copyright law at this point seems to be: "Thou shalt not allow Mickey Mouse to pass into the public domain". To provide a bit of a story of how ridiculous the current copyright regime is: My grandfather was a musician. Mostly because of my grandfather's folk song collection wor...
[18:28:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:15] <exec> 08└─Reducing copyright to 3 years would therefore only reduce income by 25%. Reducing it to 14 years would primarily affect the incomes of people who produce one work that is largely unknown for a long time,
[18:28:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:17] <exec> 08└─Someone uses their own resources to produce a product is not unfair.
[18:28:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:26] <exec> 08└─Vin Diesel made F&F 7 so we could make a deal on his pet project Hannibal The Conqueror. So we might see htc before the next Riddick.
[18:28:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re: source code of proprietary software - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 564 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:32] <exec> 08└─I don't see why. There is much 14 year old open source software that I would be interested in using, most software dates quickly, games are a bit of an exception, but there aren't many good open source games. And if anyone can make anything out of open source software that is 14 years old by closing...
[18:28:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:I like this idea - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:34] <exec> 08└─I like this idea. And while we are at this, the same should be with patents: after 14 years since publication the patent becomes public domain.
[18:28:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:I like this idea - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:36] <exec> 08└─A nit to pick..... Patents can be granted on ideas alone though.
[18:28:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:I like this idea - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:38] <exec> 08└─That simply says that it must be a specific type of idea. You can't patent just any random idea, but the patent is still granted on the idea alone, not the implementation.
[18:28:38] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03fritsd [4586] 02Was Rufus Pollock ever challenged? - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 1092 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:28:39] <exec> 08└─The Telegraph article is interesting to read, and what's even better is they ask a spokesman for the Green Party to clarify, and this spokesman referred back to a fascinating scientific (well, economic anyway, it's debatable whether economy is a science) article from 2007: http://arstechnica.com
[18:28:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02The consensus I see is "less than what it is now" - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 644 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:28:41] <exec> 08└─Nearly everyone here says that copyright is too long right now. There seems to be some disagreement as to how long it should be and how/if to renew it. I propose that some progress is better than no progress and that as a first move all future copyright durations should be half of what they are no...
[18:28:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Disagree - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:28:53] <exec> 08└─Something that really needs to happen is resellers take a stand and not sell Arduino SRL products.
[18:29:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What about the other innocent casualties? - 06US Drone Killed Hostages From U.S. and Italy - 445 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:29:28] <exec> 08└─That reminds me of the Onion article about ebola that was circulating for a while: http://www.theonion.com [theonion.com] The punchline is that only white people matter. If two africans, an asian, twenty middle-eastern, and one white...
[18:30:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:30:12] <exec> 08└─I was going for hyperbole but then I also realized that it was more true (for many people not all) than it should be NOW, let alone in the future. meh...
[18:30:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 447 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:30:23] <exec> 08└─Yes the aftermarket stuff is their own, new stuff yes, but even if there is one part using "encrypted" communication with the ECU, you are fubared, because hacking that encrypted connection is protected, so even if you replace the ECU, you need to replace all the parts that use that "encrypted" comm...
[18:30:35] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03number6 [1831] 02OpenSourceEcology is a Facebook data miner - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 1496 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:30:35] <exec> 08└─If you visit OpenSourceEcology you are also being tracked by the business corporation named Facebook via its buttons embedded in an iframe on the page. IMHO, the terms "Facebook" and "Open Source" fit together like a wolf in sheeps clothing. If "social networking" must be baked into global internet...
[18:30:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Taxes - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:30:40] <exec> 08└─With vinyl records (and later) the decision was that you owned the atoms, but not the information encoded onto them. That would be a reasonable distinction if we had reasonable copyright laws. As it is.....
[18:30:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It's not that they don't want you to fix it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 795 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:30:47] <exec> 08└─It's not that they don't want you to fix it yourself, it's that if you get into messing with things on the software-level, you will be making possibly dangerous changes to real time operating system code; more importantly to them, within that code there are numerous proprietary stacks like J1939 or...
[18:31:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:31:12] <exec> 08└─Whether it's reasonable to see a human as a machine depends on how you think of machine. As a programmer, I find it a good model, but then my model of what a machine is is a lot more detailed and complex (and less "mechanical") than that of most people. Perhaps as cars become more autonomous more pe...
[18:31:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 1158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:31:19] <exec> 08└─If you are sure you really understand how the mind works, build a model. That will enable you to demonstrate that you are correct. Fortunately computers are flexible enough to implement ANY sufficiently detailed model of a mental process, though they may well run at a lot less than real time. FWIW,...
[18:31:35] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Rivenaleem [3400] 02Why not try? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 115 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:31:35] <exec> 08└─Have they tried using G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate yet? I've heard great things about it from trials done on Miranda.
[18:31:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Depression and sleep issues? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 1251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:31:40] <exec> 08└─If you have depression and problems with sleep, try the following. It might not cure depression (like diabetes, there are multiple types and the type determines the treatment), but this does help with sleep. Try this: Use 3 of these per room from waking up until 1 hour before bed time: http://www.am...
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[19:27:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:09] <exec> 08└─the market sucks
[19:27:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:1, Troll) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:10] <exec> 08└─You're an honest-to-god moron, jmoris. Sorry if that seems rude, but homeopathy has jack-all to do with "Obamacare". Which had the following to say about the field: literally not one word. Not a goddamn thing about alternative medicine or homeopathy. the full text [congress.gov]. It had to do with i...
[19:27:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:12] <exec> 08└─Troll nothing. This guy is completely ignorant of the legal details surrounding homeopathy and opens his dumb mouth and spewed that ignorance all over this discussion. I'm gonna call him out about it because bullshit should never go uncontested.
[19:27:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:14] <exec> 08└─Different ones work best for each person. You need just the right combination of common and rare ingredients, with an appropriate mix of medical jargon, the right price, and a reasonable level of promises of effectiveness for a specific person to believe it'll work. It's different for everyone.
[19:27:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:It's all in your viewpoint - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:27] <exec> 08└─Yeah, I saw the same study, or something similar in the past couple weeks. Seems to me they measured the wrong things - as I recall it was mostly economic measures. I'm guessing that super intelligent people go through life in utter despair over the state of mankind. But I'm merely guessing here.
[19:27:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Newander [4850] (Score:1) 02Re:It's all in your viewpoint - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:28] <exec> 08└─I seem to remember a study that showed that ignorance is directly proportional to bliss.
[19:27:40] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03acid andy [1683] 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 400 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:41] <exec> 08└─From your link: In short, to pass the Lovelace Test a computer has to create something original, all by itself. In 1843, Lovelace wrote that computers can never be as intelligent as humans because, simply, they can only do what we program them to do. Until a machine can originate an idea that it was...
[19:27:44] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DECbot [832] 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 282 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:45] <exec> 08└─In America, you go and join the Singularity. It is great thing when you join, you even throw a party and celebrate. It is your choice and you are rewarded when you choose to join. Everyone is happy. It is not like that in my country. In Soviet Russia, the Singularity comes for you.
[19:27:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03soylentsandor [309] (Score:2) 02Re:The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:55] <exec> 08└─brains have already been optimized by millions of millennia of evolution
[19:27:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What If One Country Achieves the Singularity Fi - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:27:57] <exec> 08└─They also might lose too.
[19:28:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Back to copyright's roots - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:28:42] <exec> 08└─So for all we have spent on the medical field all we got was much fewer dead babies and 15 years to enjoy arthritis and altimeters? On the low end it is fantastic. On the high end, as someone who has taken care of relatives lingering on for as much as 20 years past what could be considered a life wo...
[19:28:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:I like this idea - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:28:52] <exec> 08└─the patent is still granted on the idea alone, not the implementation.
[19:28:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:I like this idea - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:28:53] <exec> 08└─Its not adequate to simply write down your idea, You can't say: I patent the idea of self mating socks, and hope they come about somehow so you can patent troll the manufacturer. You need to define an implementation, method of manufacture, in sufficient detail such that any sock manufacturer could p...
[19:29:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03jbernardo [300] (Score:2) 02Re:Not based on Ubuntu - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:29:25] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately, yes. For some time, they were the main driving force behind systemd.
[19:30:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:30:48] <exec> 08└─some sort of miraculous fundamental change in human nature.
[19:30:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:30:51] <exec> 08└─our current system has little to do with the idealized capitalism that lets "the marketplace" decide. There are too many factors, like advertising and subsidies, that can lead to marketplace contusion.
[19:31:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Checkmate. - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 487 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:31:06] <exec> 08└─Alright, so they own part of my car. What's the value of that part which they own? If it's nonzero, then they owe me money for taxes which I paid on something which they own. If it's zero, I'm going to take all the code they claim to own and post it online, and when they sue me for millions in lost...
[19:32:06] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03davester666 [155] 02Re:Voting Record - 06House Passes Cybersecurity Bill Despite Privacy Protests - 446 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:32:06] <exec> 08└─Here's the thing. You need WAY more than "a few of us". You need thousands and thousands of people to all vote of someone else. Even more if the vote is split between two other people. This thing ain't gonna do it. Maybe if they passed a 'king for a day' bill, where your elected senator and/or congr...
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[20:27:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Intel 80486 first one to be backdoored? - 06Hubble Space Telescope—25 Years Old Today - 350 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:27:00] <exec> 08└─So was the Intel 80486 the first one to be backdoored in hardware by that pesky organization that is so eager to listen in? As for the first really memorable image by Hubble. It must be the one of a supposedly pitch dark patch where light over 11 days were collected in 2003/2004. And it was shown to...
[20:27:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02But homeopath is now starting to cost big money. - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:27:15] <exec> 08└─See, I could have been a legit scammer and bilked people with homeopathic medicines. One guy sold "homeopathic soil organisms" to treat anything that's wrong with you. He sold people dirt in a pill! But, no, I went wrong in life. I got an education, learned skills, and worked at a job. And look at w...
[20:27:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Obligatory Link to Any Homeopathy Article - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:27:16] <exec> 08└─Can't talk about investigating alternative medicine without mentioning Tim Minchin's epic poem Storm [youtube.com] Not to mention something else that's obligatory [xkcd.com]
[20:27:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:It's all in your viewpoint - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 813 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:27:33] <exec> 08└─The concept of singularity emerges also when Colossus meets Guardian (Colossus - the Forbin Project , 1970). Kurzweil makes progress proceed exponentially, which is something I'd object to because it implies an infinite exploration space (in terms of physical dimensions and behavior - what you usual...
[20:27:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:An old joke - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:27:38] <exec> 08└─But this shoveled a lot of R&D money at Japanese companies, and this did good things for the country's economy, even if it didn't produce the promised AI.
[20:27:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:List of A.I. sci-fi? - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:27:43] <exec> 08└─The problem is, A.I. is so hard
[20:27:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:27:51] <exec> 08└─It wouldn't, that was the point. There is no way we would create a superior AI and NOT put a gun to it's "head" in case it didn't want to do what we wanted it to.
[20:28:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 1117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:03] <exec> 08└─If a brain can do it, we can do it. The brain is a machine. There's no guarantee of an intelligence explosion, but if neuromorphic chips get improved and stacked, they could approach and exceed the power of the human brain. There's also the possibility of building a synthetic biological brain or a b...
[20:28:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:2) 02Re:What If One Country Achieves the Singularity Fi - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:06] <exec> 08└─Just because you've won something doesn't mean it's what you want.
[20:28:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02The question is what not who - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:28:08] <exec> 08└─Once any country creates a sufficiently smart AI. The relevance of who were first is gone because humans becomes irrelevant. And most countries are run by humans, and the borders is also only recognized by humans. Any AI only need to be capable of designing an incrementally smarter version in a self...
[20:28:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The question is what not who - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:10] <exec> 08└─If you build your AI in the form of supercomputer racks in a bunker and reduce the ways it could hack, gain mobility, or self-improve, who's to say that humans will become irrelevant? You can have the intelligence without the explosion/singularity.
[20:28:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:The question is what not who - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:11] <exec> 08└─Until it figures out how to use its existing circuits to bridge the gap using an RF link or hack a nearby phone. Or just fool any human to do a stupid thing etc.
[20:28:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The question is what not who - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:13] <exec> 08└─Or radical artilect worshippers run a cable between it and the Internet.
[20:28:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:24] <exec> 08└─...it simply should not apply to non-commercial...
[20:28:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 738 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:26] <exec> 08└─Commerce has to do with money and/or commodities. Just because something has a value, doesn't mean it has a monetary value or is valuable as a commodity. The value of the freedom to share bits of information with other willing participants is a great example of such a non-commercial value. You can p...
[20:28:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 1204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:32] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure I should really say this, but here goes nothing.... I joined the Green Party because I'm very upset about the lurch to the right that British politics has taken over the last couple of decades. I don't agree with all of their policies (energy and defence) but people are poor, sick, star...
[20:28:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rickter [842] (Score:1) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 2045 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:43] <exec> 08└─I think we need a tiered IP structure: 7 years for initial copyright, possibly with significant renewal fees for a few years of extension, say 1% of total revenue (cumulative) /year. So your blockbuster movie that makes $300M domestic box office and other pay per view and DVD sales? $3M to renew for...
[20:28:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score:2) 02Re:Green Pirate Party? - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:28:50] <exec> 08└─I've been wondering what a Green and Pirate party merger would look like.
[20:31:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02Re:WE ARE NOT BRAINS ON STICKS - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:31:54] <exec> 08└─There is a popular branch of "brain science research" that attributes everything to brain activity in loci and regions...
[20:31:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:My money is on more leeches - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 729 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:31:56] <exec> 08└─Well with physics its because...well we're blind as bats really, the things we could detect with traditional tools like telescopes was such a teeny tiny fraction of what is actually there it was like the parable of the blind men and the elephant. We are just now learning that on the very large and t...
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[21:27:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Dear Hubble/NASA/ESA - 06Hubble Space Telescope—25 Years Old Today - 7 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:27:02] <exec> 08└─Thanks.
[21:27:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:27:16] <exec> 08└─"Contains 50% more Placebo ingredients than the nearest competitor!!"
[21:27:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sir Finkus [192] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:But homeopath is now starting to cost big money - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 247 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:27:19] <exec> 08└─I suspect that the vast majority of the people peddling these "remedies" are "true believers" and make very little money off peddling their wares. Just like pyramid schemes. Also, since I've posted a comment on your webzone, I expect a pizza roll.
[21:27:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:But homeopath is now starting to cost big money - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:27:21] <exec> 08└─In the US, mountains of homeopathic "medicines" are prescribed by "naturopathic physicians" as TFA mentions. Some patients eventually figure out that none of these things actually require a prescription, but since the "doctor" visit is covered by most insurance as well as anything they prescribe, th...
[21:27:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:But homeopath is now starting to cost big money - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:27:22] <exec> 08└─Your pizza roll is a scam. What's your email address?
[21:27:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03TestablePredictions [3249] (Score:1) 02Re:fixed - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:27:46] <exec> 08└─"Computer, locate Reginald Barclay." "I am Reginald Barclay."
[21:27:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheLink [332] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 1314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:27:59] <exec> 08└─Doubt the AIs will take over for a long while yet. The humans in power aren't going to stop being in power just because the AIs suggest it. Just look at Stephen Hawking or other super smart scientists. With all their IQs and knowledge how much power do they really have over the world? Look at the sc...
[21:28:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:28:01] <exec> 08└─So this is the level in comments that's beyond the context horizon.
[21:28:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03mr_mischief [4884] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:28:03] <exec> 08└─It's only work if you're dominating the world for yourself. If you can get the undying loyalty of a bunch of lesser AI and maybe some human helpers, you live like a god in your gallium arsenide temple.
[21:28:09] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] 02The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 1230 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:28:09] <exec> 08└─There's no more point in worrying about the Singularity than there is the return of Jesus, or a rogue black hole devouring the Earth, or a nice game of global thermonuclear war, or any other cataclysmic end-of-the-world fantasy. First, there's no good reason to believe it's possible in the first pla...
[21:28:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02Re:The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:28:14] <exec> 08└─if neuromorphic chips get improved and stacked
[21:28:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:28:16] <exec> 08└─Just because one Nation gets there first, doesn't mean they win. Even assuming the tech allows ideas to be thought up quickly, doesn't mean the laws of physics or scarcity of resources won't hinder any kind of world dominating plans. Plus intelligence doesn't always equate to making the correct deci...
[21:29:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Requirement to describe your patentable notion - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 486 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:29:23] <exec> 08└─Until 1880, the Patent Office required you to submit a model of your device. [wikipedia.org] You still have to submit a drawing of your gadget. There's even a preferred technique [tqn.com] as well as people who specialize in that. Isn't it interesting that you DON'T have to submit source code for yo...
[21:29:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:the much anticipated ? - controlling apps - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 866 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:29:53] <exec> 08└─I was thinking the same thing. Jolla makes a big deal on their pages about protecting user's privacy, but the more you read, the less it seems to say. They mostly promise not to sell your info to anyone. I'd love to see their android emulation layer have the ability, with fine grained control, t...
[21:31:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03trimtab [2194] (Score:1) 02Re:don't buy it - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:31:07] <exec> 08└─You do realize that with vehicles that have government mandated pollution control devices that altering or replacing the "black box" with an alternative not blessed by government is a crime. And there are usually NO government blessed alternative "black boxes." So only the only alternative is to buy...
[21:31:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 969 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:31:22] <exec> 08└─And Marx and his friends are idiots because they proposed or even recommended violence and force as part of the implementation plan. When violence and force is used to select leaders, >90% of the time those capable of the most violence and force rise to the top. And when they do, most of them contin...
[21:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:The critical procedure needed is nerve re-conne - 06Complete Head Transplant or Complete Publicity Stunt - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:33:05] <exec> 08└─because we cannot even do hand
[21:37:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Imperative headlines - 06Swallow Your Password - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:37:02] <exec> 08└─Swallow Your Password
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[22:27:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Some people are really annoyed for no reason - 06Steam Now Offering Paid Workshop Mods - 354 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:27:01] <exec> 08└─And some people are totally abusing the system, uploading stolen mods and profiting off the work of others. But: as people get used to the fact that no one is going to pay for stupid mods, I firmly believe this has the potential to let people sell some neat creations. Free will continue to be possib...
[22:27:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:Some people are really annoyed for no reason - 06Steam Now Offering Paid Workshop Mods - 1028 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:27:02] <exec> 08└─This is not what I have seen elsewhere. Things change drastically once the scent of money is in the water - and often not for the better: - Modders move from being incentivised based purely on passion to the other thing. - Contributors are now "the paid" and "the unpaid". Expect the latter to...
[22:27:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Steam Bucks, similar to Feces Dollars - 06Steam Now Offering Paid Workshop Mods - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:27:04] <exec> 08└─I'm guessing this isn't real money, but rather steam bucks, which means more money for Valve. Fuck steam, fuck valve, and fuck gay-ben.
[22:27:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Steam Bucks, similar to Feces Dollars - 06Steam Now Offering Paid Workshop Mods - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:27:06] <exec> 08└─What's a "gay-ben"?
[22:27:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Troubles - 06Steam Now Offering Paid Workshop Mods - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:27:08] <exec> 08└─Apparently there were problems, everything was taken offline, then fixed. http://www.forbes.com [forbes.com]
[22:27:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Corn on cheese - 06Hubble Space Telescope—25 Years Old Today - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:27:16] <exec> 08└─> What are your most memorable recollections of the Hubble Space Telescope's accomplishments? > Did you see the launch of the telescope or one of the servicing missions? > Did you play a role in any of its projects? I particularly remember on the day of the 25th anniversary reading some cheesy quest...
[22:27:26] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 631 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:27:27] <exec> 08└─You're an honest-to-god moron, jmoris. Sorry if that seems rude, but homeopathy has jack-all to do with "Obamacare". Which had the following to say about the field: literally not one word. Not a goddamn thing about alternative medicine or homeopathy. the full text [congress.gov]. It had to do with i...
[22:27:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:27:29] <exec> 08└─My word! Quite a lack of civilization in here, methinks. Best to scoot out before the fisticuffs. Is there no decency in this abhorrent world in which we live? Whatever happened to manners and respect of kinfolk? It's barbaric!
[22:27:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Placebo Effect - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:27:38] <exec> 08└─Is it still the Placebo Effect if it's the caregiver is the one that has convinced themselves the drug is useful?
[22:27:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02"Low dilution" homeopathic remdies - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:27:40] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately, the problem with homeopathic remedies is not limited to their lack of any active substance. Some drug sellers have been selling so-called homeopathic remedies with "low-dilution" strengths. In other words, they have measurable amounts of active ingredients, sometimes dangerous quantit...
[22:27:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:just let it happen - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:27:56] <exec> 08└─Live or die, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. If it does, clutch your microchips and loved ones as your intelligence becomes -1 overrated.
[22:28:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong point of view - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:28:18] <exec> 08└─Why would an AI be anything but rational?
[22:28:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The techno-geek Apocalypse - 06What If One Country Achieves the Singularity First? - 807 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:28:32] <exec> 08└─Only 100,000 IBM TrueNorth chips [ibm.com] are needed to reach 100 billion "neurons". Less than an order of magnitude more than the scale of some supercomputers (Tianhe-2 uses 32,000 Intel Xeon and 48,000 Xeon Phi chips). 70 mW per chip times 100,000 chips is a miniscule 7 kilowatts. Even if total p...
[22:28:52] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03geb [529] 02Like the party, but can't vote for their candidate - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 409 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:28:53] <exec> 08└─In my constituency, the local MP candidate for the Green party is far too green for my tastes. That's green, as in inexperienced. I like a lot of the ideas that the central party are proposing, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for a 20 year old whose blog is entirely filled with shouty slogan-typ...
[22:28:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondrake [2658] (Score:2) 02Re:Like the party, but can't vote for their candid - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:29:00] <exec> 08└─People vote too much on a candidate though, instead of strategically. Your vote does not even matter. And on the far off chance that he would actually make it, he could not possibly be worse than some of the other candidates. Think of it as an experiment. And if the greens do get more than the usual...
[22:29:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Kell [292] 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 372 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:29:02] <exec> 08└─The problem is the mindset of corporate executives, which can be roughly summarised as "Keep it like the Kaiser". In fairness, they don't want to see any asset (even abstract ones like copyright IP) devalued - doesn't look good on the quarterly spreadsheet. However, it's really representative of sho...
[22:29:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:I like this idea - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:29:39] <exec> 08└─And note that nowhere does it say the idea has to actually be feasible.
[22:29:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Disagree - 06Arduino vs Arduino - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:29:55] <exec> 08└─The SparkFun RedBoard is a good choice if you want to support Arduino.cc. They contribute a portion back. I have one and a couple "official" Unos. They're close enough that most projects can use them interchangeably. The biggest differences is that the RedBoard uses an FTDI USB serial chip, a surfac...
[22:30:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wait, what.? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:30:05] <exec> 08└─So if this is true, then they haven't even starting building them yet.?
[22:30:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:the much anticipated ? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:30:12] <exec> 08└─It doesn't conflict for procunciation at all. Jolla has a Y-sounding J, and the double-L makes an L sound. La Jolla has an H-sounding J and the double-L makes a Y-sound. Yolla/Hoya - not even remotely homophonous.
[22:30:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Äijänpäivänjärvi??????? - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:30:18] <exec> 08└─Äijänpäivänjärvi - I can't pronounce it. I can't spell it. And after copy-and-pasting it my mouse has gone it a sulk.
[22:31:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Basic concepts - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:31:45] <exec> 08└─It's the words, isn't it? The M -word and the C-word? Makes it impossible to stay on topic and have a discussion. Oh well. You know what else Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels advocated? A Central Bank! (right there in the https://www.marxists.org [marxist...
[22:31:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Taxes - 06In Defence of the Concept of Ownership - 811 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:31:55] <exec> 08└─>> Although if John Deere is making these claims I guess the old Johnny Poppers will just go up in value since you can outright own them. I believe that is and probably has been happening for some time already. I visited my brother who runs the family farm just last week. We drove past a John Deere...
[22:32:11] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03kaszz [4211] 02Re:DSM-6 to use Brain Maps? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 292 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:32:11] <exec> 08└─I thought it was a map of which pharmaceutical that sponsored what cure. Only diseases that have a clear profit line can be diagnosed, and in any other case we invent one! :D For the rest one must just ensure a steady streamlined source of funding that provides the symptoms for more funding.
[22:32:21] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03gallondr00nk [392] 02Re:Medicine Guessing Game - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 1381 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:32:21] <exec> 08└─The problem is that (as another commenter below noted) is that they can be helpful. People are different, and clinical psychiatry is well behind the curve on that realisation. My experiences are roughly parallel to yours. I've been on and off Citalopram of varying doses, and stopped a year back when...
[22:32:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Depression and sleep issues? - 06Depression Not Caused by Low Serotonin Levels - Most Drugs for Treatment Based on Myth - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:32:55] <exec> 08└─Those 30 watt radio bulbs might not be enough. Even though 2 of them is 60 watts, they are more red-shifted than normal incandescent bulbs are. This has a very pleasing effect (think candle light), but is less efficient. So you need more of them. In day mode, those CFLs should flood the room with li...
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[23:27:04] <exec> 08└─And let's remember that Valve takes a 75% cut. This is the most anti-consumer decision they've ever made.
[23:27:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Steam Bucks, similar to Feces Dollars - 06Steam Now Offering Paid Workshop Mods - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:27:09] <exec> 08└─fuck gay-ben is modern slang for being jealous of a successful person.
[23:27:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Techwolf [87] (Score:2) 02Re:Intel 80486 first one to be backdoored? - 06Hubble Space Telescope—25 Years Old Today - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:27:18] <exec> 08└─That image was just amazing and humbling when taken into context of just how small a spot in the sky was used to create it.
[23:27:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Corn on cheese - 06Hubble Space Telescope—25 Years Old Today - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:27:21] <exec> 08└─It's easy to play a "role" in its "projects": http://www.galaxyzoo.org [galaxyzoo.org]
[23:27:32] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 246 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:27:33] <exec> 08└─Troll nothing. This guy is completely ignorant of the legal details surrounding homeopathy and opens his dumb mouth and spewed that ignorance all over this discussion. I'm gonna call him out about it because bullshit should never go uncontested.
[23:27:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Re:$arcasm - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:27:35] <exec> 08└─It's not that you're wrong; it's just that you're a dick about it.
[23:27:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02Re:But homeopath is now starting to cost big money - 06Homeopathy: Fraud, or Purveyors of Placebos - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:27:42] <exec> 08└─We used to call "true believers" by the term "marks"... making money off of scams wouldn't be possible if there weren't dumb people to fall for them. I'll send you the pizza roll on a floppy disk. You can upload -- download -- it to your computer and put it on your screen saver.
[23:28:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03hash14 [1102] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:28:56] <exec> 08└─Plus, musicians could also make money from shows, performances, endorsements, and other appearances. But of course their management agencies (RIAA et. al.) take all of these proceeds away.
[23:28:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03hash14 [1102] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 1776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:28:57] <exec> 08└─That's because the cost of reproducing the work is 0. In the digital age, music is just a form of information, and information is an infinite commodity. It's just an idea or an expression which has no physical form, so it's infinitely replicable. The whole notion of copyright is to take something in...
[23:28:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:28:59] <exec> 08└─So why shouldn't artists follow the same model?
[23:29:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] (Score:2) 02Re:Nah - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 595 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:29:02] <exec> 08└─A choir chat accepts donations has to do with money as well, but you probably don't want your laws to apply to them. A person who makes a copy of software for you in return for manual labor has no money or commodities involved, but you probably would want a law to apply to them. It is hard for a per...
[23:29:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Not what "Long Tail" means - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:29:15] <exec> 08└─Of course the Long Tail is referring to time - those broad inventories you refer to are, in practice, back-catalogues. Copyright extensions protect the size of those catalogues, albeit at the expense of the public domain.
[23:29:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03hash14 [1102] (Score:2) 02Re:Odd - 06UK Green Party Proposes 14-year Copyright Term - Artists are not Amused - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:29:23] <exec> 08└─The studios/labels/publishing houses don't want to have to compete against their own back catalog.
[23:30:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03benmhall [5229] (Score:1) 02Woah... clarification... - 06Jolla Tablet Ship Date Slips - 1443 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:30:20] <exec> 08└─> Since Sailfish is based on Ubuntu and Mer, it is Linux, and as such you can install Linux applications. Jolla is NOT based on Ubuntu. It uses Sailfish OS which is based on Meego, which was an Intel/Nokia successor to Maemo, which ran Nokia's 770, N800, N810, and N900. It does use a Linux kernel (a...
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