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[00:09:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:48] <exec> 08└─Getting good grades doesn't make you more deserving of a job. My workplace hires anyone able to do the job, degree or not.
[00:09:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:49] <exec> 08└─It may not be obvious, but what your company is actually doing is hiring people with degrees to clean up the disasters created by those people they hired who don't have degrees.
[00:09:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 659 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:51] <exec> 08└─No, that's not what my company is doing, you elitist fool. Incompetents get fired quickly or not hired at all, and both those with degrees and those without are often turned away, because most people (degree or not) just aren't that good. A piece of paper will not magically make someone better. You...
[00:09:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:53] <exec> 08└─If the grammar and spelling errors of this post are anything to go by, I wouldn't have much confidence in Americans either.
[00:09:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:54] <exec> 08└─You go for your first interview for a programming position based in San Francisco. What language do all of your interviewers speak, and what language is the interview in? Hindi, and only Hindi.
[00:09:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:56] <exec> 08└─That's the problem with racists. Those fuckers are always hanging around looking for a reasonable discussion to use as a starting off point for their bullshit. They want to steal the legitimacy of actual problems to help them sell their racist bullshit.
[00:09:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:57] <exec> 08└─Hindi isn't a race. It's a language, for crying out loud. I know Asians and whites who speak it fluently.
[00:09:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:59] <exec> 08└─This isn't paid writing so spelling etc quality is optimized accordingly.
[00:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 322 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:02] <exec> 08└─> Unions can be useful but they can also start telling you at which hours you are allowed to work. Surprise! Tools don't make you a craftsman, but even a craftsman can't do much without tools. Good judgment is necessary in all human endeavours and anyone who tries to factor it out will eventually en...
[00:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Offtopic? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:04] <exec> 08└─Why the fuck is the parent comment modded Offtopic? It's totally on-topic. The modding system here is pretty broken if a good, on-topic comment like that is modded Offtopic. Why the fuck isn't something being done to fix that bad modding? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:10:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The troubling part - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:05] <exec> 08└─Elizabeth Warren explained how this works on a recent episode the daily show. She laid out a sophisticated understanding of the real way power and money intersect. It's not primarily about quid pro quo cash for favors. It's about whose voices get heard and what issues end up on the agenda. "The win...
[00:10:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Enforcement should be the first priority - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 1036 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:07] <exec> 08└─> The first priority should be enforcement of the rules. That will cost money. There is literally no money allocated in the budget for H1B rule enforcement. Only the worst cases of fraud and abuse ever get investigated because they are so egregious that the public gets involved and external pressure...
[00:10:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:25] <exec> 08└─I don't get it. 0 + 5 + 190 = 195 195 != 1984 What are you trying to say?
[00:10:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score:1) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 676 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:42] <exec> 08└─Except that a surgery does not a man or woman make. You cannot change sex with a surgery. There's nothing wrong with being transgender, but don't try to act like the physical reality has changed just because you want it to. When a man can have surgery, be impregnated naturally, and give birth with n...
[00:10:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:44] <exec> 08└─As a Ruby programmer, I apply the Duck Typing test to every object around, including physical objects. If it looks like a penis, and it feels like a penis, and it tastes like a penis, then it is a penis. Maybe it's a natural penis, or maybe it's a hand-crafted artisanal penis. The exact subtype of p...
[00:10:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:46] <exec> 08└─Nothing is unnatural. Humans are part of nature, so how could what they do be unnatural? Furthermore, unnatural != bad, even if unnatural things did exist. And natural doesn't necessarily mean good, either. but don't try to act like the physical reality has changed just because you want it to.
[00:10:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:50] <exec> 08└─Are you actually suggesting that labia crafted out of what was once scrotal tissue are not actually labia?
[00:10:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02Re:It's AMAZING how the divorce rate SKYROCKETED! - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:53] <exec> 08└─She must have been a miserable young woman...
[00:11:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You have described African-American culture. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 486 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:11:04] <exec> 08└─These men don't just end up in jail spontaneously. They commit crimes, often very serious ones, and rightfully end up imprisoned for the criminal behavior they have engaged in. Why the hell would you even think that men who have never held a legitimate job, who have engaged in various types of crime...
[00:11:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 3759 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:11:06] <exec> 08└─my guess is that women are not satisfied with regular guys and they all want some sports hero or GQ model looking guy. media has told them that they 'all deserve a prince charming' and very few guys meet that spec. I think this is accurate, considering what I see on OKCupid. Most women absolutely de...
[00:11:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:11:07] <exec> 08└─Women want men who are just like, say, George Clooney, both tall and attractive, and also with a really charismatic and outgoing personality.
[00:11:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Old Guy Warning to Young People - DNA signing - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 1121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:11:18] <exec> 08└─My complaint about the millennials, and I'm sure there are some well-mannered exceptions here, is that they are painfully socially oblivious. They do whatever the fuck they want in public and were not raised with manners. You can accuse me of being the same here, but at least I know how to behave in...
[00:11:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Old Guy Warning to Young People - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:11:25] <exec> 08└─Good idea but not the sort of thing you think of while totally besotted. Marriage is like making a contract while high on heroin -- better judgment is often a distant easily dismissed idea. Secondly, and worse, the courts in many jurisdictions view pre-nups as guidelines only and are perfectly free...
[00:12:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:slow learner. - 06Now Anyone Can Tap the AI Behind Amazon’s Recommendations - 719 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:12:12] <exec> 08└─yeah, both amazon and ebay are stupid. yesterday, I buy hour-meters for some equipment I have. today, I get an offer to buy one for 5% off. and it keeps happening with most stuff I buy. I'll even get offers to buy another one of what I just bought for MORE than what I paid for it. I bought a new fue...
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[01:09:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Open Source by force! - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:09:40] <exec> 08└─Storm the software companies!s Steal thier source codes! Posta everything to gitbub!! Vigilante justice now! Down with capticalism! Burn the money! Gimme FREE SHIT!
[01:09:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Why Bother - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:43] <exec> 08└─You gaymers are too fucking stupid to compile any of it anyway.
[01:09:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:09:46] <exec> 08└─If the rights owner sues, then it's not abandoned and you have absolutely no right whatsoever to call it abandonware.
[01:09:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:47] <exec> 08└─If the game relies on servers that are shut down, it is literally abandonware.
[01:09:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Purpose of property - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:09:50] <exec> 08└─The reason for institutions such as private property is that they conduce to the general welfare. The reason for copyright is to allow the public to have access to the copyrighted material. If there is no access, there should be no copyright, it should expire.
[01:09:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Purpose of property - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:53] <exec> 08└─The reason for institutions such as marriage contracts is that they conduce to the general welfare. The reason for marriage is to allow the public to have access to the wife's pussy. If there is no access, there should be no marriage, it should expire.
[01:10:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 716 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:13] <exec> 08└─if you need a union. You are in the wrong business.. no, if you work for a business in the dog-eat-dog country of USA, you need unions. were you not paying attention to what happened 100 years ago? we all forgot, it seems, and we let big business get powerful again without a matching balance of powe...
[01:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:14] <exec> 08└─The best thing that ever happened to our "T" union, was the day we voted them out. Ok, we lost one day off per year, but no more dues, better pay, and we're no longer feeding the lazy pigs.
[01:10:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:38] <exec> 08└─You mentioned China and Korea. I mentioned the Five Eyes. Then I just went with the flow saying that *all* of the governments (can't remember the exact number, but 190 seemed like a ood estimate) want to do it, and will do it as soon as they are able to (at least those that are not doing it yet).
[01:11:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You have described African-American culture. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:11:16] <exec> 08└─Terrible crimes like putting certain substances into their own bodies. The horror!
[01:11:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:11:19] <exec> 08└─More like freedom vs anti-freedom. I don't like it, so I want government thugs to interfere with other people's personal matters to prevent *them* from doing it too!
[01:13:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ugh - 06French TV Hack a Major 'Step Up' in Cyberjihadism - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:13:31] <exec> 08└─Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.
[01:13:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It isn't that hard if you know how TelCom works - 06French TV Hack a Major 'Step Up' in Cyberjihadism - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:13:39] <exec> 08└─> And what was your expectation for when the childish US-bashing in every story here was going to go away? Tu quoque much? The stupid thing about it is that its false. France is basically tied with the UK for the 2nd largest military-industrial complex in the world.
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[02:09:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Open Source by force! - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:46] <exec> 08└─EFF isn't asking for the source code. It is asking for modification/reverse engineering of abandoned games to be legal. It doesn't appear this would even make the games free to distribute. Just free to modify and patch.
[02:09:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It should apply to GPLed software, too. - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:47] <exec> 08└─I think that this should apply to GPLed software, too. Old versions of GCC or other GNU software, which haven't been updated in years or decades, should enter the public domain now, rather than sometime in the future.
[02:09:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:50] <exec> 08└─And why are the servers shut down if the publisher still exists? Have you tried paying for service, instead of whining? Where's the crowdfunding to get shutdown servers put up again?
[02:09:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:51] <exec> 08└─Have these copyright thugs tried competing in a real free market rather than relying on government thugs to enforce their unjust monopolies for them and bribing governments to create increasingly draconian copyright laws?
[02:09:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:53] <exec> 08└─The word "Abandonware" first needs to have a legal definition. If it doesn't already, the hope is that it will be codified through stare decisis.
[02:09:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:55] <exec> 08└─If you have software on your machine, you shouldn't be prohibited from modifying it, as long as you don't distribute the whole thing. If the exemption passes, you should be allowed to distribute a patch to a multiplayer game, as well as legally operate the game over the Internet using your own or th...
[02:09:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 774 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:57] <exec> 08└─NBA2K14 had it's servers reinstated [arstechnica.com] after public outcry. 2K state that they only run the servers for 18 months after the initial release of the game. Given that purchasing this game means you've got a perpetual license to own it, the fact your offline-stored single player save stop...
[02:09:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:3, Informative) 02Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 586 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:09:58] <exec> 08└─I'm a fan of a movie with a small cult following, maybe only 500 people, but passionate in our interest. In addition to the movie itself (which you can still buy) there's a "making of" video which is no longer for sale at any price. We talk to each other; we've been watching markets worldwide for se...
[02:09:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:00] <exec> 08└─Rights holders argue that unauthorized copying cuts into their revenue. What revenue? You're refusing to sell it at any price.
[02:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:02] <exec> 08└─> offer to buy the rights. And if that doesn't work, buy the rights holder. Make this offer to whom exactly? Do you know someplace where I can look up the current rights holder of an abandoned film? (Hint: the rights holder, whoever that might be, is not offering it for sale. Anywhere. Ever.)
[02:10:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:03] <exec> 08└─Have you checked with the copyright office, where copyrights are registered, so you can find out? If you're too lazy to do it yourself, have you hired a lawyer to research it for you? How much do you really care, really?
[02:10:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:05] <exec> 08└─> Have you checked with the copyright office That would (I think) reveal the original author, which I already know. What I don't know is who they sold and resold the rights to over the years.
[02:10:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:07] <exec> 08└─Why don't you ask them? Legwork doesn't just happen in detective films, you know. It works in real life too.
[02:10:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:08] <exec> 08└─This is an epic case of someone moaning that "Shut up and take my money" not being good enough. Why should the customers have to do the work?
[02:10:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 532 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:10] <exec> 08└─Have you considered that they may be the bad ones here for locking down culture and abusing copyright law in ways it was never intended to be used? The only reason copyright law exists is to benefit society; it's right in the constitution. It is not so publishers or companies can make money; that is...
[02:10:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:12] <exec> 08└─Have you considered buying the companies and changing their culture-destroying policies from the inside? Where's the Kickstarter campaign to start United Gamers Inc and buy back our cultural heritage from the big bad publishers? Have you considered paying money for anything ever?
[02:10:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:13] <exec> 08└─Paying money for the game ought to be enough. You aren't distributing IP under this exemption, you are distributing a patch and operating new servers. The game dev's IP is safe, so why waste money purchasing the game dev and its unnecessary IP under your stupid, impractical advice?
[02:10:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:16] <exec> 08└─1. Buy game dev 2. Sell abandoned games for cheap 3. Find out gamers are freeloaders 4. Bankruptcy Have fun!
[02:10:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:18] <exec> 08└─The only one advocating buying a game dev is you.
[02:10:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:20] <exec> 08└─Have you considered buying the companies and changing their culture-destroying policies from the inside?
[02:10:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 468 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:22] <exec> 08└─You already have everything you need to continue playing these games: 1. The game 2. The ability to patch it and restore functionality Missing: The explicit legal protection to do so. If the U.S. Librarian of Congress grants this exemption under limited circumstances, what exactly is the nightmare s...
[02:10:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03khchung [457] (Score:2) 02Artificial scarcity - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 578 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:10:24] <exec> 08└─Because the way "copyright" is used is (always) to create an artificial scarcity, leaving people with no choice but to pay the copyright holders. EFF's question is the same as asking a union why can't a union-shop hire new non-union employees given that no union employees was fired? Because by allow...
[02:10:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:Artificial scarcity - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:27] <exec> 08└─It is the same as bridge trolls blocking other bridges to force you through theirs, and you ask the trolls why they care about you using other bridges? YOU ARE NOT PAYING THEM MONEY. That's why.
[02:10:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02GIMME FREE SHIT FOR FREE - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:10:29] <exec> 08└─I NOT PAY YOU GIVE I DESERVE MORE FREE SHIT
[02:10:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:GIMME FREE SHIT FOR FREE - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:31] <exec> 08└─We heard you the first time. It still doesn't apply.
[02:10:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Free Software Foundation has got it covered - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:10:33] <exec> 08└─Just play games that are free software and run community servers for free. What's that? Nobody wants to play games unless corporate marketing departments literally create demand for them through advertising? You're all a bunch of corporate sheep? So that's the problem.
[02:10:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:41] <exec> 08└─> it professional should do like the doctors That would be great. Then our technology infrastructure could cost as much as our healthcare does.
[02:10:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02I've been in 3 unions - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 1069 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:10:51] <exec> 08└─and none of them did me a lick of good. When I was 16 ('74) I worked at a Fed Mart car wash and had to join the union. I made minimum wage, yet had to pay union dues. When I was 18 I worked for Buck Knives. Again, I was making minimum wage and paying union dues. At 19 I was a welder and, you guessed...
[02:11:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You have described African-American culture. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 757 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:11:50] <exec> 08└─When they're caught with drugs, it's usually a large amount. This is because these drugs are usually for resale, and not for their own personal use. In many cases they're selling these drugs to youth. That's a rather harmful thing to be doing, with an immense social cost. The proportion of convictio...
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[03:09:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It should apply to GPLed software, too. - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:09:46] <exec> 08└─Don't worry, GCC will be abandonware real soon, after everybody has switched to clang.
[03:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:10:04] <exec> 08└─Why should librarians have to buy old books and pay for buildings in which to store them? That's like, work, man.
[03:10:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02GNU FreeDink - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:10:16] <exec> 08└─Why does it look so shitty?
[03:10:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:2) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 767 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:10:40] <exec> 08└─The vast majority of professional/serious writers I've been aware of (via blogs, interviews in Writer's Digest, etc.) only lightly edit unpaid recreational work like comments, but include spell-checking as part of it. Compared to producing multiple drafts of intense editing to make their paid/import...
[03:10:43] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 1949 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:10:43] <exec> 08└─Unions have lots of issues, but your statement is nothing but FUD. I work for a college, and I refuse to join our union. It is only because that is the only way to withold the portion of dues used for political contributions (I pay the rest of the dues, but cannot vote in union elections). The paren...
[03:10:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 511 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:10:44] <exec> 08└─The top leaders of most of these unions are rich folks who have never worked a day in their lives in the fields of those they supposedly represent. They play golf at the same clubs as the CEOs of the companies they are supposedly representing the workers of. Their children attend the same private sc...
[03:10:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Seems like two arguments being conflated - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 1351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:10:55] <exec> 08└─On the H1-B issue, here and on the other site. 1. US workers are being replaced by people who completely lack IT skills, and a few weeks or months of training is a band-aid that can't fix that. Therefore, the H1-B program is harmful to the parent corporations who use them, and unfortunately there ar...
[03:11:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Re:Yup - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:11:07] <exec> 08└─¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:11:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score:1) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:11:37] <exec> 08└─Dictionary definition of unnatural: contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal. Note that I never said anything about unnatural being bad, never said natural was better. I just said you can't expect people to readily drop their stigmas and uneasiness about the issue. I see that you've also...
[03:11:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:11:38] <exec> 08└─Dictionary definition of unnatural
[03:11:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 355 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:11:43] <exec> 08└─A friend is trans, and she's an attractive woman (with *nice* non-fake tits) especially for being 60-something! What gives it away are the coarser hair (head hair, not body hair) at the nape of her neck, and the shape of the muscling in her calves, both still decidedly male. Most people never notice...
[03:11:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 1092 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:11:44] <exec> 08└─Most people never notice Most people don't notice because most people simply aren't very observant unless something is really obvious and out of the ordinary. Assuming you're a male, you could run around in a skirt and while a small minority of people might notice, most wouldn't at all, until you st...
[03:12:10] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] 02Re:Old Guy Warning to Young People - DNA signing - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 40 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:12:10] <exec> 08└─What sucks so bad about millennials btw?
[03:13:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03fatuous looser [2550] (Score:1) 02Neo-isolationism FTW - 06US Military Concerned About Losing Their High Tech Edge - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:13:47] <exec> 08└─We've lost our edge & it's not coming back. Oh well, so much the better. "Time to bring the boys home." Let all the other a-holes fight the wars from here on out. Let 'em slaughter one another if they decide to. We can retire like old heroes & tend to our own business here at home. We've...
[03:14:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03dltaylor [4693] (Score:2) 02a bit more hand-waving in the replies - 06Absence of Gravitational-Wave Signal Extends Limit on Knowable Universe - 666 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:14:02] <exec> 08└─I appreciate the elucidations, but they rather prove my point. What force stretched the rope? Is that force detectable in some way? Similarly, the emission of very low energy photons as electrons resume their ground state having been displaced by the expansion of space should be detectable. Very int...
[03:16:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:Probably Sexual Selection - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:16:03] <exec> 08└─It's due to climate change! The Dutch are somewhat uniquely vulnerable to sea level rise and they are preparing by growing taller.
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[04:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Good news for Global Warming, then? - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:09:42] <exec> 08└─China has developed technology to thwart rising sea levels?
[04:09:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02LOL dem Chinooks be liars! - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:09:44] <exec> 08└─Never ever trust China. The Internet sayed so! Uhuhuhuhuhuh.
[04:09:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Get back to making our shit! - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:09:45] <exec> 08└─An't no Mericans ordered new islands in south sea! Do what Mer'ca says or else we drone the shit otta ya!
[04:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:1) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 561 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:04] <exec> 08└─And for all practical purposes you are. But if you are not allowed to distribute it then practically no one is going to do it and no one is going to be able to play an abandoned game, even among those who own it. But the issue is even bigger than this, and two fold. The problem with abandoned games...
[04:10:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:06] <exec> 08└─Because even though the gamers already handed their money over according to the terms set by the publisher, the publisher is a greedy bastard and decided it just wasn't enough (even though they set the price). Crowdfunding won't get the original servers back up, the publisher isn't interested. Yes,...
[04:10:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Artificial scarcity - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:24] <exec> 08└─No, the EFF is asking the union to EITHER actually provide union workers at the union salary OR allow the employer to hire non-union employees. It's like the bridge trolls dynamiting the other bridges so you have to use theirs and then leaving their bridge barricaded, locked, unmanned, and finally c...
[04:10:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03khchung [457] (Score:2) 02Re:Artificial scarcity - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:25] <exec> 08└─Yes, it may look like the trolls are blocking a bridge they aren't even profiting from. But unlike bridges, games (and most forms of entertainment) are somewhat fungible. So by stopping *everyone* from playing this particular game, *some* would eventually buy some other games, which means money in t...
[04:10:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 470 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:50] <exec> 08└─I wonder if there is a correlation between aspergers and stupid fucker racism. Because there is always some dumbass who shows up and proclaims oh, we couldn't possibly be talking about race because no one literally named a race. The fact that context makes it abundantly clear that we are taking abou...
[04:10:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:56] <exec> 08└─That's a non sequitur. I've read plenty of things with poor spelling, grammar, punctuation, and capitalization that were nonetheless very informative. The ad hominems usually come from people who can't comprehend basic logic, or comprehend the fact that they are being extremely shallow.
[04:10:57] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 336 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:58] <exec> 08└─Called them professional association... I am a member of a union that goes by the name of x company professionals association and I don't get any of the shit you talk about. US it professional should do like the doctors and the lawers: enforce proper education and competency standards, police your m...
[04:11:03] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 716 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:11:04] <exec> 08└─if you need a union. You are in the wrong business.. no, if you work for a business in the dog-eat-dog country of USA, you need unions. were you not paying attention to what happened 100 years ago? we all forgot, it seems, and we let big business get powerful again without a matching balance of powe...
[04:11:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:11:06] <exec> 08└─> no, if you work for a business in the dog-eat-dog country of USA, you need unions. In the US there has been a very strong correlation [epi.org] between union coverage and income equality. If unions made things worse, all the declines in union membership over the last 40 years should have produced...
[04:11:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Enforcement should be the first priority - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:11:11] <exec> 08└─I disagree. There should be no H1B anything. No fuckin reason what so ever is justified enough for the shit-storm that these cause.
[04:11:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I've been in 3 unions - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:11:14] <exec> 08└─So, your problem with unions is that they made concessions to the employers such that unskilled entry level employees didn't cost them extra, but you were too young to use the health insurance and you didn't stick around to benefit from the job security and the higher pay of more senior positions. W...
[04:11:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03khchung [457] (Score:2) 02Re:Seems like two arguments being conflated - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:11:15] <exec> 08└─Argument #1 simply doesn't make sense. If you are going to replace expensive qualified people with cheap unqualified ones, wouldn't it be even easier to just pay minimum wage and hire anyone who applies? As for argument #2... let's just say that self-interest often trumps principles. Do you really t...
[04:11:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score:1) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:11:58] <exec> 08└─No, the dictionary definition is based on the common present and historical usage of the word. Plenty of people are defective from a genetic standpoint: THEY ARE NOT NORMAL BY ANY COMMON USAGE OF THE WORD. NOT BEING NORMAL DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BAD PERSON. Another poster commented on shrimp, sure they...
[04:11:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:11:59] <exec> 08└─No, the dictionary definition is based on the common present and historical usage of the word.
[04:12:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:1, Offtopic) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 525 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:12:00] <exec> 08└─You know what is interesting -- sex change is actually a naturally occurring incident in nature. You may even have eaten some of those M-F sex-changing critters, at least if you like the larger sized shrimp. http://wdfw.wa.gov [wa.gov] All seven harveste...
[04:12:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 274 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:12:09] <exec> 08└─In our crowd I know there's at least a few people who haven't noticed (yes, really!), and in my judgment the rest don't care -- you are what you present, and after all these years no one even pays attention. Cuz like you say, ideally let folks live their lives as they wish.
[04:12:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You have described African-American culture. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:12:26] <exec> 08└─When they're caught with drugs, it's usually a large amount. This is because these drugs are usually for resale, and not for their own personal use.
[04:12:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You have described African-American culture. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:12:27] <exec> 08└─My, my, my. You are living in denial, and you pretend to be a Libertarian. My, my, my.
[04:12:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You have described African-American culture. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:12:30] <exec> 08└─Pretend? It's neither denial nor a game of pretend. I just don't see why authoritarians want to screw up relatively okay countries like the US and turn them into police states when places like North Korea already exist. Why not just move there?
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[05:09:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Good news for Global Warming, then? - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:43] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it's not a secret. Just pile more dirt on your land. This trick works everywhere. I expect the US gov't to pay for this to happen along both coasts "to preserve our way of life".
[05:09:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Good news for Global Warming, then? - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:44] <exec> 08└─"to preserve our way of life".
[05:09:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimios [201] (Score:2) 02Re:Good news for Global Warming, then? - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:45] <exec> 08└─And since we know that China is good at it, why not pay them to do the same in the US?
[05:09:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Good news for Global Warming, then? - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:47] <exec> 08└─Sure, we already pay Mexicans to steal our dirt, why not pay Chinese to put it back.
[05:09:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Energy and Taiwan - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 571 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:09:50] <exec> 08└─There's a good number of reasons China is doing this now: China is now strong enough to do so, economically and navally.America, wrapped up in the Middle East, does not have the will to stop them.China's energy needs are growing rapidly as cities are popping up at a dramatic pace.Should China want t...
[05:10:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:It should apply to GPLed software, too. - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:02] <exec> 08└─But it has been updated. Further, if you find a truly abandoned Free Software, you are already free to update it as you wish and restore it to usefulness.
[05:10:10] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 774 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:10] <exec> 08└─NBA2K14 had it's servers reinstated [arstechnica.com] after public outcry. 2K state that they only run the servers for 18 months after the initial release of the game. Given that purchasing this game means you've got a perpetual license to own it, the fact your offline-stored single player save stop...
[05:10:14] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Justin Case [4239] 02Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 586 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:10:15] <exec> 08└─I'm a fan of a movie with a small cult following, maybe only 500 people, but passionate in our interest. In addition to the movie itself (which you can still buy) there's a "making of" video which is no longer for sale at any price. We talk to each other; we've been watching markets worldwide for se...
[05:10:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Artificial scarcity - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:34] <exec> 08└─There is that. Given that it causes more loss of value for others than they gain, it is more akin to crime than commerce.
[05:10:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:53] <exec> 08└─> A piece of paper will not magically make someone better. Don't have a degree do you? You gave it away when you dismissed a degree as "a piece of paper" rather than 4 years of showing up, doing the work, meeting deadlines and being evaluated on your accomplishments and not quitting. Especially the...
[05:10:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 583 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:54] <exec> 08└─I have been brought in to clean up two projects that couldn't get off the ground due to over-engineering. Having seven layers of abstraction because some professor said abstraction was the key to making flexible projects is a disaster. The degree doesn't make person A better than person B. The degre...
[05:11:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:11:15] <exec> 08└─Unions can be useful but they can also start telling you at which hours you are allowed to work. That you can't swap a Sunday for a Wednesday. That you must have smoking pause regardless if you smoke. That you can't work a lot one week and take time off the next.
[05:12:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Common Joe [33] (Score:2) 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:12:42] <exec> 08└─(I know a lot of american guys have given up even trying to find an american girl to marry; they have gone outside the US to find a foreign girl, who is probably going to be less demanding, more loyal, have a longer term view towards things and does not have the disposable mentality that american wo...
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[06:09:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02thinly veiled lies - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:09:51] <exec> 08└─A spokeswoman for China’s Foreign Ministry insists the islands are being built to give ships a haven in the typhoon heavy region.
[06:10:07] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03takyon [881] 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 78 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:10:08] <exec> 08└─If the game relies on servers that are shut down, it is literally abandonware.
[06:10:31] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03takyon [881] 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 468 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:10:32] <exec> 08└─You already have everything you need to continue playing these games: 1. The game 2. The ability to patch it and restore functionality Missing: The explicit legal protection to do so. If the U.S. Librarian of Congress grants this exemption under limited circumstances, what exactly is the nightmare s...
[06:10:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:GIMME FREE SHIT FOR FREE - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 468 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:10:40] <exec> 08└─You're close, and by close I mean "not even in the same ballpark". They're not saying "gimme free shit for free", they're saying "give me what I fecking paid for". If a company sells a piece of software that only works by communicating with a server online and the company proceeds to shut down that...
[06:12:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03theronb [2596] (Score:1) 02Re:Newer, Better is a Click Away - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 538 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:12:05] <exec> 08└─This dilemma is not entirely new, although it has been much heightened by technology. When I was young (pre-Internet) I was exposed to Playboy and the idealized Playmate images. I soon figured out that a) real girls didn't look like that, and b) those who came anywhere close to that weren't interest...
[06:15:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ugh - 06French TV Hack a Major 'Step Up' in Cyberjihadism - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:15:03] <exec> 08└─If the guy claiming it isn't a new word had to google it in order prove it wasn't new then that negates his argument. There are hundreds of thousands of not-new words that nobody uses but you can still find mention of with google.
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[07:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Why does EFF still even exist? - 06EFF Shuts Down Podcasting Patent - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:09:42] <exec> 08└─In a world where absolutely everybody is already on Faceboot and Twatter, and the American Stasi is spying on everyone, there isn't any Electronic Frontier left anymore. It's been tamed and taxed, parceled out, bought and sold. The Frontier is dead. Time to kill the Foundation. At least change the E...
[07:09:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why does EFF still even exist? - 06EFF Shuts Down Podcasting Patent - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:09:44] <exec> 08└─They are the last line of defense. Unlike you, they are doing something useful.
[07:09:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why does EFF still even exist? - 06EFF Shuts Down Podcasting Patent - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:09:46] <exec> 08└─Last line of defense? You seem slightly confused about what a frontier is. Did you cut history class every day to go smoke weed?
[07:09:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why does EFF still even exist? - 06EFF Shuts Down Podcasting Patent - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:09:48] <exec> 08└─>Getting hung up over the name >Can't make a coherent point You're the one who needs to pass the bowl.
[07:09:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Crowdfunding works?! - 06EFF Shuts Down Podcasting Patent - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:09:50] <exec> 08└─Holy shit, somebody tell Obama! He can crowdfund some more wars! Let's replace taxes with crowdfunding, that'll totally work better!
[07:10:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02This is quite old news - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:10:03] <exec> 08└─I watched a documentary either on TV or Netflix over a year ago about exactly this (China building artificial islands to exert land claims in South China Sea). I only did a quick Google just now and they have been doing this since at least early 2013 if not sooner. So the "China doing this now..." i...
[07:10:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is quite old news - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:10:05] <exec> 08└─http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32126840 [bbc.com] http://www.bbc.com [bbc.com] The US is concerned China is using "sheer size and muscle" to strong-arm smaller nations in the row over the South China Sea, Barack Obama says. The US president's comments came amid he...
[07:10:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:10:27] <exec> 08└─2K state that they only run the servers for 18 months after the initial release of the game There's only one person to blame, and that's the person agreeing to such a ridiculous license in the first place.
[07:10:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Purpose of property - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 905 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:10:31] <exec> 08└─No, copyright law has always had the good of the public *and* the creator's right to compensation & control of their work intertwined, because without an income, to quote a pamphlet pressing Parliament on the matter, "Learned men will be wholly discouraged from Propagating the most useful Parts of K...
[07:10:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:10:47] <exec> 08└─Let me guess.. Flesh and Blood?
[07:10:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:GIMME FREE SHIT FOR FREE - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:10:56] <exec> 08└─customers should have full rights to restore the functionality they paid for by whatever means necessary. Customers paid for the right to use the game until the server was shut down. They didn't buy the game, they licensed the game under specific (pathetic, hilarious) conditions.
[07:10:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:GIMME FREE SHIT FOR FREE - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:10:58] <exec> 08└─customers should have full rights to restore the functionality they paid for by whatever means necessary.
[07:11:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Here's one - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:11:01] <exec> 08└─http://www.lgdb.org/game/chaosesque-anthology [lgdb.org]
[07:11:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:11:18] <exec> 08└─Systemd? Pulse Audio?
[07:11:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Offtopic? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:11:36] <exec> 08└─It's modded +3 now. What do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[07:12:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:12:33] <exec> 08└─You.must be fun to shop with. Especially in porn shops.
[07:13:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 506 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:13:08] <exec> 08└─Damn straight! It horrendous how I can't shoot that guy over there. It's a personal matter between the two of us, not an invitation for government thugs to put themselves into my private business! After all, who could possibly have a problem with interrupting a sequence of chemical reactions taking...
[07:13:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Old Guy Warning to Young People - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 487 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:13:16] <exec> 08└─Marriage isn't necessarily about love or property; it's about commitment. Love often grows out of it, but that isn't the core. The aspects concerned with property are the hollow husk of what used to be, at least ostensibly, a marriage partnership. Marriage without commitment is empty, and commitment...
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[11:56:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:3, Interesting) 02perfect example of why we need https everywhere - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:56:39] <exec> 08└─this kind of MITM attack makes an excellent case for encrypting all network traffic.
[11:56:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02encryption yes - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:56:40] <exec> 08└─also request firewalls in client browsers its is unacceptable, that browser simply makes ALL the requests javascript tells it to make, without possibility of filtering by user.
[11:56:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Injected malicious payload? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 1513 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:56:42] <exec> 08└─Nasty Javascript? If the machines were not honoring javascripts, would the attack be successful? My fear is that "they" ( NSA, China, Terrorist, whoever ) would vector communications through a proxy server, so you end up logging into them and think you are logging onto Baidu, Alibaba, AliExpress, w...
[11:56:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:2) 02If ever there was a case for patent reform - 06EFF Shuts Down Podcasting Patent - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:56:54] <exec> 08└─Seriously? Somebody was able to get a patent for podcasting? That's like getting a patent for mailing people cassette tapes so they can listen to lectures, something that was done decades before the internet. I guess it is true that you can get a patent just by slapping "on a computer" on anything t...
[11:57:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:1) 02Chinese school maps - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:57:14] <exec> 08└─Chinese children learn a Chinese version of the world map where all the disputed territories are shown as Chinese, so good luck trying to change the world view of the whole Chinese population.
[11:57:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:57:38] <exec> 08└─Only if 2K were upfront about the game's lifespan, which is doesn't seem they were.
[11:59:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:Yup - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:59:18] <exec> 08└─Indeed, how could a cabal of powerful people monopolize surveillance if all is out in the open, including their efforts?
[11:59:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 605 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:59:28] <exec> 08└─>>Think about it: every interaction, every transaction, every property tracked. >Sounds like a nightmare scenario My argument is that "every interaction, every transaction, every property trackABLE" is way worse. As a good guy you might want no surveillance, as I said, and I am perfectly ok with tha...
[11:59:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:59:33] <exec> 08└─In my hypothesis, total surveillance means total surveillance, so you are talking about the bad guys partial surveillance scenario, which is indeed evil.
[12:00:27] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 3759 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:00:28] <exec> 08└─my guess is that women are not satisfied with regular guys and they all want some sports hero or GQ model looking guy. media has told them that they 'all deserve a prince charming' and very few guys meet that spec. I think this is accurate, considering what I see on OKCupid. Most women absolutely de...
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[12:56:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 292 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:56:39] <exec> 08└─Why not work to stabilize or reduce the population instead of trying to jam even more people in there? I've never understood why someplace with a "water shortage" isn't really just overpopulated. The land only carries a certain size population before the fauna starts to move away or die off.
[12:56:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 443 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:56:41] <exec> 08└─> Why not work to stabilize or reduce the population instead of trying to jam even more people in there? If you believe the conservative party line california has been doing everything it can to discourage population growth with job-killing regulations. > I've never understood why someplace with a "...
[12:56:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Would be better if... - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:56:42] <exec> 08└─This was for 900 cities and towns that make up GREATER L.A, than a single city in the metro-plex. Greater Los Angeles population 16.37 Million City of Los Angeles population 3.88 Million
[12:56:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:encryption yes - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:56:53] <exec> 08└─That's exactly what RequestPolicy [mozilla.org] is.
[12:56:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Injected malicious payload? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:56:55] <exec> 08└─> I am wondering maybe if we may have to drop to tunneling protocols run on Arduinos for a secure low-speed link that would handle financial details The threat is hardly limited to financial details. As the bar gets lower we will see people doing MITM attacks for all kinds of reasons. There is a sto...
[12:56:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Injected malicious payload? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:56:57] <exec> 08└─Hmm ... this makes me think: Is there a way to specify which root certificates are to be trusted for which domain (possibly with a browser extension)? For example, I could check the certificate authority my bank uses, and then instruct the browser to not silently accept certificates from another cer...
[12:56:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:2) 02And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 1300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:56:58] <exec> 08└─Regardless of the means of the attack, I'm curious as to how the PRC is spinning this now. Are they still claiming that they have nothing to do with it, in which case they are effectively saying that they are also completely imcompetent and have allowed a third party to control the Great Firewall fo...
[12:56:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:57:00] <exec> 08└─Spin? Why would China need to spin anything? After all, the US govt sees nothing wrong with intercepting *physical goods* in transit to inject malicious payload.
[12:57:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:If ever there was a case for patent reform - 06EFF Shuts Down Podcasting Patent - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:57:10] <exec> 08└─Well, Monsanto was able to get a patent on naturally grown broccoli. [no-patents-on-seeds.org] Note that this is not for genetically modified broccoli. Podcasting clearly has a greater height of invention than broccoli.
[12:58:19] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03sjames [2882] 02Re:Artificial scarcity - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 481 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:58:19] <exec> 08└─No, the EFF is asking the union to EITHER actually provide union workers at the union salary OR allow the employer to hire non-union employees. It's like the bridge trolls dynamiting the other bridges so you have to use theirs and then leaving their bridge barricaded, locked, unmanned, and finally c...
[12:58:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:GNU FreeDink - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:58:31] <exec> 08└─Because you didn't contribute better graphics my dear.
[12:59:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:59:03] <exec> 08└─If bad writing were the problem. The person would have pointed out the errors explicitly so that one can learn.
[12:59:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03fadrian [3194] (Score:2) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:59:05] <exec> 08└─spelling etc quality is optimized accordingly. Seems like the opposite to me, as writing has rules so as to be understood.
[12:59:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03fadrian [3194] (Score:2) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:59:08] <exec> 08└─our technology infrastructure could cost as much as our healthcare does. If it did, maybe we'd do a better job of it.
[12:59:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:59:17] <exec> 08└─Unions are good (with some caveats). It's more about moving into a industry where you actually have leverage against the employer without unions. When you need them it's because you haven't enough leverage.
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[13:01:05] <exec> 08└─Perhaps most people in every generation is oblivious to what happens? So it's not about generation but paying attention, think and act?
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[23:13:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Yes Sir Need Fast Net Fast - 06India Debates Net Neutrality - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:50] <exec> 08└─For to be doing coding for western companies. We bid low! You give oursourcing contract.
[23:13:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Video - 06India Debates Net Neutrality - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:51] <exec> 08└─The humorous, informational video actually was humorous and informational. I did not expect that! I hope they succeed.
[23:13:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Regular Voice Traffic Too - 06India Debates Net Neutrality - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:53] <exec> 08└─When is patch switched voice traffic including regular phone calls going to be included in this net neutrality arrangement? I get that it is legacy traffic, at least legally, but why do my bits cost more for one type than another?
[23:13:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The U.S. should charge them extra - 06India Debates Net Neutrality - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:13:55] <exec> 08└─for all the crap telemarketing that comes from there. "Dis is windows calling, your contrudor have a virus"
[23:14:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Didn't mother say don't drink salt water? - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:03] <exec> 08└─Oh it's California, where every mother is a drunken marijuana smoking crack whore on heroin. Carry on then.
[23:14:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Natales [2163] (Score:1) 02Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 719 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:05] <exec> 08└─It's about time the desalination topic start to get more coverage. 75% of the surface of the planet is covered with water. California is a coastal state. Simply dismissing desalination as a viable option is just lack of imagination. All the problems the critics point to are really engineering pr...
[23:14:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03SubiculumHammer [5191] (Score:1) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:07] <exec> 08└─Agreed. Although one of the more expensive problems with desalinization is pumping the water from the coast to the central valley where 80% of California's water is used for farming.
[23:14:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Adamsjas [4507] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 376 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:08] <exec> 08└─Agreed, the pumping cost is always there, but it is free once you build the infrastructure. Solar power on the mountain sides could power the whole project, including the desalination process. (if its reverse osmosis it really only needs pumps). I've often thought that if any place could make de-sal...
[23:14:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 867 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:10] <exec> 08└─says Rick Wilson The dude who lives in florida and rants on twitter about everything. Yeah hes a viable source to listen to for something on the other end of the country. SoCal specifically SD is ideal for solar. They should be in 100% on it. OH wait... they are. The company I used to work for slath...
[23:14:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03gznork26 [1159] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 247 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:12] <exec> 08└─The salt can be used to offset the huge amounts of fresh water melt entering the North Atlantic from Greenland and weakening the salinity-based current that drives the Gulf Stream. The by-product of one solution is the solution to another problem.
[23:14:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 848 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:14] <exec> 08└─The by-product of one solution is the solution to another problem. Except of the small problem of moving billions of gallons of material to the other side of the world of something that pretty much acts like a long term acid with metal. Plus the idea may or may not work? Plus what sort of organisms...
[23:14:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:15] <exec> 08└─So ship this salt all the way to the Atlantic then?
[23:14:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:2) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:17] <exec> 08└─I don't know the details, and could be plain wrong, but discussion here on Soylent on ths topic a while ago pointed to the problem not being of the engeneering kind, but economic. Can't find the comment now, but the point was that the water is sufficient, but it's sold to farmers for a very low pric...
[23:14:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Natales [2163] (Score:1) 02Re:Treat the Drought as an Engineering problem - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:19] <exec> 08└─The Wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] has some interesting numbers on the actual costs: "Achievable costs in 2013 range from 0.45 to 1 US$/cubic metre (2 to 4 US$/kgal). (1 cubic meter is about 264 gallons.)".
[23:14:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Funny) 02Fuck You, Other Duck! - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:20] <exec> 08└─https://i.imgur.com/Zl836nj.jpg [imgur.com]
[23:14:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Fuck You, Other Duck! - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:22] <exec> 08└─I was expecting goatse, but that was amusing. (spoiler: one duck stands on another partially sinking the other)
[23:14:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02filter error please enter a subject - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:24] <exec> 08└─"There is just a lot more that can be done on both the conservation side and the water-recycling side before you get to [desalination],"
[23:14:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02About time! - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 646 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:26] <exec> 08└─For years I've been hearing "peak water" "water is the new oil" and of course the alarmists' favorite: we're all gonna die! Somehow, people were able to figure out how to refine pure gold from mountains of dirt once the incentive got high enough. I'm sure obtaining pure water will be somewhat easier...
[23:14:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fluffeh [954] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:About time! - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:27] <exec> 08└─Here in Australia, we've been using desalination plants [wikipedia.org] for quite a while - even the last (linked), the Sydney plant was brought in on time and under budget. Although it is currently used as a top-up service to the main reservoir when there isn't enough rainfall, it is expected to be...
[23:14:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:About time! - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:29] <exec> 08└─It's one thing to be government owned and operated, but in Ca it will most likely be corporate owned with a lot of taxpayers footing the bill, then cost overruns, everyone wanting to rape the piggy bank, etc. By the time it gets built it'll be an oozing pustule of costs and not worth it.
[23:14:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02An excellent application of nuclear power - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 1599 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:31] <exec> 08└─I've had the concept in my head for a long time of using nuclear power to desalinate ocean water and solve our county's water problems. Build a fleet of the latest safest reactors to power desalination plants along the coast of California. (If its safer to put the reactors elsewhere in the state do...
[23:14:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:An excellent application of nuclear power - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:33] <exec> 08└─> build a pipeline/aqueduct to Phoenix so that when their aquifer runs out, they have a source of water. Better build at least a couple miles a year, because Phoenix only has 100 years' worth of water left... that we know about.
[23:14:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:An excellent application of nuclear power - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:34] <exec> 08└─I have read that their main aquifer only has about another 30 years of water left.
[23:14:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:An excellent application of nuclear power - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:36] <exec> 08└─Why not jump on the thorium bandwagon?
[23:14:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:An excellent application of nuclear power - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:38] <exec> 08└─If its safer to put the reactors elsewhere in the state do it.
[23:14:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02It's just like Homer Simspon said - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:39] <exec> 08└─Water, water, everywhere, so let's all have a drink. - Homer Simpson
[23:14:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Water bills are a lot more than $75 month - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:41] <exec> 08└─A homeowner with 4 people, 1 bathroom, no lawn watering, average bill is $130 per month. Broken down... 5000 gallons of Water $40, Sewer charge $60, System & Infrastructure charge $30. This is a highly watersaving household. Welcome to Southern California, owned and operated by the public utilities.
[23:14:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Water bills are a lot more than $75 month - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:43] <exec> 08└─supply and demand that's what you get for building on a gold rush wasteland
[23:14:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Water bills are a lot more than $75 month - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:44] <exec> 08└─Ah, but we save on heating bills. Gas & Electricity is still expensive, but we don't have air conditioning so that bill is still under $100 per month tops. Housing costs are outrageous, but my mortgage was paid off in 10 years by creative financing. The only thing to worry about is earthquakes and a...
[23:14:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Water bills are a lot more than $75 month - 06California Looks to the Sea for a Drink of Water - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:46] <exec> 08└─I live in NW WA state -- I just leave the tap running -- saves wear and tear on the washers in the handle.
[23:14:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:3, Offtopic) 02Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:14:48] <exec> 08└─which would require the destruction of five acres of land.
[23:14:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:50] <exec> 08└─Yes, this more like a paper cut than a real flesh wound, like open pit mining.
[23:14:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:52] <exec> 08└─a real flesh wound
[23:14:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:53] <exec> 08└─The land is pretty barren anyway, not much to destroy: https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] The observatory sounds like it would be pretty awesome: At wavelengths longer than 0.8 μm, adaptive optics correction would enable observ...
[23:14:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:55] <exec> 08└─All of five acres? That's a tiny patch of land anyway, no matter what happens to it. But, as you said, it's not like the territory will not be prettied up after construction. Tree-hugging has its place and time, but this is pure NIMBY that transitions into BANANA [wikipedia.org].
[23:14:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:57] <exec> 08└─Most people have no idea how big an acre is, and think it is much larger than reality. 5 acres would be 0.0202 km^2, 0.0078 mi^2, or 217,800 ft^2. Or from the department of stupid modern measurements, approximately 4.5 (US) football fields if you ignore the endzones.
[23:14:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 501 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:58] <exec> 08└─Think of a mountain towering off within driving distance within your own metro area that you and your fellow inhabitants regard as a natural landmark, and fantastic resource for sightseeing, hiking, camping, etc. Now imagine someone wants to build a gigantic wind farm on the very top of the mountain...
[23:14:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:00] <exec> 08└─I would celebrate.
[23:15:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:1) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:02] <exec> 08└─Threaten to build the telescope at the bottom of a sacred cave, and then "settle" for building it on top the mountain. Everyone wins.
[23:15:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:04] <exec> 08└─Alteration, surely. Levelling and clearing, presumably. But that's not destruction of land. That's the good thing about land. Under it, there's quite a bit more land.
[23:15:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:06] <exec> 08└─Please. Only a total asshole would think that level of literalism even begins to address the issue here.
[23:15:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:07] <exec> 08└─> That's okay, because I don't think it begins to address the issue. No, you don't get to write it without a hint of irony and then disclaim it with "just joking." If you don't believe it DON'T FUCKING WRITE IT. > schtick A profoundly annoying and counter-productive schtick. Meaningless pedantry pol...
[23:15:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Destruction of land? - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:09] <exec> 08└─That's the good thing about land. Under it, there's quite a bit more land.
[23:15:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Astronomer's dilemma - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:11] <exec> 08└─Astronomers want to build on mountain tops, but there's always someone who considers mountain tops sacred. This is a feature of almost every culture.
[23:15:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:1, Interesting) 02The triumph of another fake religion over science - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 384 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:12] <exec> 08└─I suspect this place never did have any significance to Hawaiian natives. Nor was it sacred in any way. Its just another way to for self appointed culturists to cement their "leadership" among the uncaring populace by creating a sense of racial victim-hood. Can Al Sharpton be far behind? Will throwi...
[23:15:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02The triumph of another strawman argument - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:14] <exec> 08└─What a very strange thing to say. And of course, without a shred of evidence.
[23:15:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:The triumph of another strawman argument - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:16] <exec> 08└─What a very strange thing to say.
[23:15:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 746 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:18] <exec> 08└─> I suspect this place never did have any significance to Hawaiian natives. Nor was it sacred in any way. Of course you would suspect that. Here's something you can learn to better understand the world. Any gut-level ideas you have about how human culture works, flip them 180 degrees in order to com...
[23:15:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:19] <exec> 08└─my irritation does not cloud my analysis.
[23:15:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:21] <exec> 08└─> A million dollars to the lead protester's favorite (and captured) "charity" makes this whole thing go away. Then what of your racist pandering? See, that's exactly what I mean about trusting your gut. All your hypothetical scenario proves is that you pick stories that rationalize your own social...
[23:15:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:23] <exec> 08└─It is odd that the fact you were wrong, as proven by c0lo's post upthread, hasn't given you any pause for self-reflection at all. If calling them liars fabricating outrage for money isn't racist pandering then I don't know what is. Are you doing that thing where you've been accused of something so o...
[23:15:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:25] <exec> 08└─I suspect this place never did have any significance to Hawaiian natives. Nor was it sacred in any way.
[23:15:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:26] <exec> 08└─> Isn't Wikipedia a nice and quick place to reach for the basic info? One click away: Reality doesn't matter to frojack. Reality has a well-known liberal bias and he can't have the correctness of his thoughts polluted with liberal bias.
[23:15:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:28] <exec> 08└─Reality has a well-known liberal bias and he can't have the correctness of his thoughts polluted with liberal bias.
[23:15:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The triumph of another fake religion over scien - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:30] <exec> 08└─The triumph of another fake religion over science
[23:15:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02el stupido - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:31] <exec> 08└─Why not spend time protesting fracking, scrape mass fishing, or the billion other things that have a bigger impact
[23:15:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:el stupido - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:33] <exec> 08└─Why not spend time protesting fracking, scrape mass fishing, or the billion other things that have a bigger impact
[23:15:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:el stupido - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:35] <exec> 08└─Because they're not full-time protesters, genius.
[23:15:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02This world has lost its idealism - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:37] <exec> 08└─When this current world culture finally becomes extinct, and another culture takes hold many years later, makes scientific progress, they won't find anything special belonging to this time. Like we find huge tombs of Pharos in Egypt and elsewhere in the world. Little creatures always thinking of the...
[23:15:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This world has lost its idealism - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:39] <exec> 08└─When this current world culture finally becomes extinct, and another culture takes hold many years later, makes scientific progress, they won't find anything special belonging to this time. Like we find huge tombs of Pharos in Egypt and elsewhere in the world.
[23:15:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:This world has lost its idealism - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:40] <exec> 08└─When this current world culture finally becomes extinct, and another culture takes hold many years later, makes scientific progress, they won't find anything special belonging to this time.
[23:15:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:2) 02How the news in digital era work - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 718 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:42] <exec> 08└─The facts are: In response to a big project, locals have taken to the streets and protest against it. They have also created social network/media accounts to promote their cause and it has been sucessfully met with support. Local celebrities support the protests and it has also gained support from p...
[23:15:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02But... but.. short term thinking - 06Protests Temporarily Halt Thirty-Meter Telescope's Construction in Hawaii - 314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:44] <exec> 08└─That's not going to last. Here [wikipedia.org]: Mauna Kea is over 3,200 km3 (770 cu mi) in volume, so massive that it and its neighbor, Mauna Loa, depress the ocean crust beneath it by 6 km (4 mi).[20] The volcano continues to slip and flatten under its own weight at a rate of less than 0.2 mm (0.01...
[23:15:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03kadal [4731] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Made my head hurt - 06Compiling the Program — Numbers and Scope of US Mass Data Surveillance - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:45] <exec> 08└─This concise presentation of the known mass surveillance programs is the most accessible to date.
[23:15:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Made my head hurt - 06Compiling the Program — Numbers and Scope of US Mass Data Surveillance - 475 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:47] <exec> 08└─That's a general tactic of the military. They create a complex, jargony, insider language intended to obfuscate purpose, inflate importance and exclude outsiders. They don't speak Latin - and develop layers of abbreviation and acronym built from over-specific non-standard naming. "Rotary Air Circula...
[23:15:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Made my head hurt - 06Compiling the Program — Numbers and Scope of US Mass Data Surveillance - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:49] <exec> 08└─develop layers of abbreviation and acronym built from over-specific non-standard naming.
[23:15:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Made my head hurt - 06Compiling the Program — Numbers and Scope of US Mass Data Surveillance - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:50] <exec> 08└─> That's a general tactic of the military. It isn't a military thing, it is a profession thing. All professions develop their own jargon, the more complexity in the profession the more dense the jargon. The computer industry is a sterling example of that.
[23:15:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02At least one of the links is https - 06Compiling the Program — Numbers and Scope of US Mass Data Surveillance - 525 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:52] <exec> 08└─I've lost track of how many news articles I've seen lately grousing about "teh evi1 spyze will d00m us all!!" but can't be bothered to take one simple, if imperfect, step to make the spies' lives a bit harder: put an "s" on the stinkin' URL! Even in this article where there's one (yay) there's only...
[23:15:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Re:At least one of the links is https - 06Compiling the Program — Numbers and Scope of US Mass Data Surveillance - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:54] <exec> 08└─(Rira EBG13 pna or rabhtu gb rfpncr fbzr nhgbzngrq xrljbeq-frrxvat nytbevguzf.)
[23:15:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02Re:At least one of the links is https - 06Compiling the Program — Numbers and Scope of US Mass Data Surveillance - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:55] <exec> 08└─Why isn't there a simple ROT13 library for TLS?
[23:15:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:57] <exec> 08└─It's not that the absolute amount of water for the population is the same but that the population has increased enough to need even more even for basic needs?
[23:15:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 262 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:15:59] <exec> 08└─If they get their normal amount of rain they wouldn't have a "water shortage". Let's not forget that California's agriculture feeds a lot more people than just California's population. If they cutback farming where the hell will all food to replace it come from?
[23:16:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:01] <exec> 08└─I just looked at the US map. Looks like there's a lot of land that isn't Los Angeles. Kind of seems like we could go farm there.
[23:16:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:02] <exec> 08└─GP wasn't talking about Los Angeles. California, on the other hand, has a giant agricultural industry. The entire state has been suffering from a significant drought [ca.gov] for years.
[23:16:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Farming?? GP != Insightful - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 1616 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:04] <exec> 08└─Most agriculture done in California takes place in the Central Valley. [mappery.com] Folks will quickly notice that no part of that touches the ocean, which most of the giant cities are near. As for the GP, it's amazing how many people think nothing has changed since the 1920s--specifically, the cos...
[23:16:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:06] <exec> 08└─There's not a lot of land in the rest of the U.S. that's anywhere near as suitable for fruits (including wine grapes) and vegetables, which are a significant chunk of CA's ag. Fruits and vegetables are a helluva lot more profitable than grain, so it's not like farmers are avoiding growing 'em elsewh...
[23:16:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:08] <exec> 08└─And over farming has nothing to do with population at all, right? Farmers just plant all those crops because they can.
[23:16:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:09] <exec> 08└─Correct, the over-farmng has nothing to do with the population of Los Angeles. For more information you're encouraged to look up where all that food goes.
[23:16:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Less people, maybe? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:11] <exec> 08└─Why not work to stabilize or reduce the population instead of trying to jam even more people in there?
[23:16:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Would be better if... - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:13] <exec> 08└─Gotta start somewhere though.
[23:16:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:16:15] <exec> 08└─Makes you wonder if climate change will do the city in before the cite mitigate at least their part of the climate change? By 2035 - 2050 there will perhaps not be a city to save?
[23:16:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 369 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:16] <exec> 08└─LA area is mainly near-desert or very very arid area. It way water-wars haven been running in the area for upwards of 100yrs, pulling water to area over 100's of miles distance. They been trying to hold on to lust-green-land dream all that time. They are already done in, it is really a question of:...
[23:16:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 620 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:18] <exec> 08└─At the rate we're going, there's a decent chance that California is completely screwed. Certainly the Central Valley is screwed. Right now, because their cheap imported water rights are running dry, all the farms there are pumping out groundwater as fast as they can ... which will mean they will run...
[23:16:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:20] <exec> 08└─Most of the rest of the population of California is at severe risk of flooding as the sea level rises. Those that aren't will get caught with wildfires.
[23:16:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:22] <exec> 08└─Most of the rest of the population of California is at severe risk of flooding as the sea level rises. Those that aren't will get caught with wildfires.
[23:16:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:23] <exec> 08└─Sea level rise, lol. Yeah I hear those 6 cm over the next couple hundred years are going to be a real killer.
[23:16:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:25] <exec> 08└─By 2035 - 2050 there will perhaps not be a city to save?
[23:16:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Fast enough? - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:27] <exec> 08└─If the city plans to add another half-million residents by 2035, you bet your ass that is exactly what will happen. What isn't mentioned are the backgrounds of those extra half-million residents. Will they be doctors? Lawyers? Scientists? Engineers? Hell, artists? Philosophers? Nope. They will be un...
[23:16:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02California reaction - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:16:28] <exec> 08└─Many will agree with the plan, but no one will go along with it. The "bike,walk" etc. plan is great - for the other guy.
[23:16:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Alternatives to cars - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 1359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:30] <exec> 08└─Take a trip to L.A. County and see what traveling in a car is like in SoCal. Sitting in stop-and-go "rush" hour traffic, averaging 4mph completely sucks. ...and once you get to your "destination", you have to find a parking spot and walk from the parking area to your actual destination anyway. If yo...
[23:16:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Heat Island - 06Los Angeles' New Sustainability Plan - 818 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:16:32] <exec> 08└─The attempts to fix the heat island are probably the most helpful and realistic part of this plan. There are lots of technologies that can help. Direct radiation of heat to space (above the atmosphere) is one of the newer solutions. See http://www.livescience.com
[23:16:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:perfect example of why we need https everywhere - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:34] <exec> 08└─China has heir own certificates, which I believe means that they can MITM at least *some* (SSL) encrypted traffic as well. If you're not using a browser or platform that has removed the CNNIC certs (Apple, I'm looking at you), you may want to manually remove them yourself.
[23:16:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:encryption yes - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:35] <exec> 08└─also request firewalls in client browsers
[23:16:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Injected malicious payload? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:37] <exec> 08└─The problem with that is they then MITM you when you "check the certificate authority your bank uses." It's turtles all the way down. There is cert pinning which remembers the certificate between sessions and errors out if it changes. So as long as your first access to the site was not compromised y...
[23:16:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Injected malicious payload? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:39] <exec> 08└─The problem with that is they then MITM you when you "check the certificate authority your bank uses." It's turtles all the way down.
[23:16:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Injected malicious payload? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:41] <exec> 08└─"I know about the ADVAPI.DLL backdoor " Does anyone here have more information on this backdoor and how to remove it? Suspicious the search results show nothing.
[23:16:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Injected malicious payload? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:42] <exec> 08└─It looks like the solution is just "don't use anything crypto-related that uses Windows' built-in crypto libraries". Don't use Bitlocker, don't use any other cryptographic software from Microsoft. Alternatively, don't use Windows.
[23:16:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:44] <exec> 08└─Well, . . . , THOSE guys are doing something else!!! Waaah. Nice argument from a 10-year-old. This is irrelevant to the story AND the topic.
[23:16:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:46] <exec> 08└─Spin? Why would China need to spin anything? After all, the US govt sees nothing wrong with intercepting *physical goods* in transit to inject malicious payload.
[23:16:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:2) 02Re:And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 1114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:47] <exec> 08└─One of their politicians was claiming they had nothing to do with it last week. If the PRC government is genuinely behind this, which certainly appears the mostly likely scenario, then that is spin. If the DDoS were only coming from potentially compromised PCs within China as a whole, then fine, goo...
[23:16:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:49] <exec> 08└─China will perhaps deny HTTPS through the firewall? And even if they didn't the current CA system allows them to use their CAs to MITM HTTPS anyway. So either browsers need to be redone or traffic to China dropped.
[23:16:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:2) 02Re:And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 1205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:51] <exec> 08└─Possibly, but trying to MITM the HTTPS (this would be Google's HTTPS) isn't likely to result in a favourable reaction from Google after what happened with CNNIC's root cert, so that door is probably closed. Denying HTTPS altogether is a more interesting proposition though, although chances are that...
[23:16:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:And China's position is...? - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 487 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:53] <exec> 08└─Then look it up. My understanding is that the main news orgs are owned by the government and print their propaganda verbatim. Their propaganda, much like russia, is usually ridiculous and aimed at their citizens rather than the rest of the world. This disconnect makes for very amusing reading at tim...
[23:16:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Let's start calling things with their names - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 663 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:16:55] <exec> 08└─"Malicious [javascript] code" injected into traffic is the equivalent, hell no it's not even an equivalent, it *IS* a VIRUS. It should be no different to malicious payloads injected into downloaded binaries. China was injecting viruses to peoples pageloads. While regular antivirus technologies are m...
[23:16:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Let's start calling things with their names - 06The "Great Cannon" of China - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:56] <exec> 08└─Signed Javascript [mozilla.org] used to be a thing, and that prevented injection of untrusted code. Then everyone realized that it didn't solve any problems that SSL didn't.
[23:16:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Energy and Taiwan - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:59] <exec> 08└─It should be the last thing any westerner wants to see. If not, they've drank the cool-aid of "anything an enemy of America is good".
[23:17:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:2) 02Re:Energy and Taiwan - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 1235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:01] <exec> 08└─You left off "massive natural resources suspected/proven to exist below the South China Sea", but otherwise you pretty much nailed it I think. In combination with China's growing ability to exploit those resources and the internationally accepted implications that applying territorial limits to thes...
[23:17:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03arslan [3462] (Score:2) 02Re:Energy and Taiwan - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:03] <exec> 08└─Yea, rumor has it that there's gas and oil in the South China Sea bed..
[23:17:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is quite old news - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:05] <exec> 08└─LOL its the pot calling the kettle black.
[23:17:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is quite old news - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:07] <exec> 08└─See also: http://www.nytimes.com [nytimes.com]
[23:17:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03caffeinated bacon [4151] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Chinese school maps - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:09] <exec> 08└─That's what the rest of the world thinks about American Science textbooks, and Japanese History textbooks also.
[23:17:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Come on! - 06China Builds Artificial Islands in South China Sea - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:17:10] <exec> 08└─Cut them some slack! they probably don't have enough land in that country.
[23:17:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:33] <exec> 08└─Really? Well, why should the government enforce their ridiculous monopoly for them? If people could modify the data on their own equipment and distribute patches to fix broken software without government interference, that would alleviate this problem.
[23:17:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score:2) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:35] <exec> 08└─Not really. They shut down the servers despite that a game's multiplayer is still active, as an anti-consumer way to increase sales of sequels.
[23:17:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03In hydraulis [386] (Score:1) 02Re:Abandonware isn't abandoned, now is it? - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:37] <exec> 08└─So, not so much abandoned as forcibly aborted? Is it possible to abort something without also abandoning it?
[23:17:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Purpose of property - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:41] <exec> 08└─No, copyright law has always had the good of the public *and*
[23:17:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not just software - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 976 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:17:51] <exec> 08└─This dude cuts to the heart of the matter, money. https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] To get a movie made *and* released there are hundreds of 'owners'. The distributors will not even release a movie if there isnt a cut in it for them (ie ownership). Many people are asking thes...
[23:18:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:GIMME FREE SHIT FOR FREE - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:09] <exec> 08└─Ethically, no. The data is stored on their own equipment, and to say they can't restore the software's functionality is deeply unethical. Legally, maybe you are right, but that just means those laws need to be scrapped, yes?
[23:18:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:GIMME FREE SHIT FOR FREE - 06EFF asks: "Why Should 'Abandonware' Receive Copyright Protection?" - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:10] <exec> 08└─They didn't buy the game, they licensed the game under specific (pathetic, hilarious) conditions.
[23:18:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:30] <exec> 08└─Don't have a degree do you?
[23:18:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 901 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:31] <exec> 08└─> And, of course, this invalidates my arguments. No, the rest of my post invalidated your arguments. The above fact was intended to remind you that your bias is so strong that it shines through your writing. The fact that your bias is that strong casts doubt on the quality of your analysis. > The de...
[23:18:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:33] <exec> 08└─No, the rest of my post invalidated your arguments.
[23:18:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 937 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:35] <exec> 08└─> Like the bias you have for degrees? You dismiss them as "a piece of paper" that isn't even in the same neighborhood as saying they represent showing up and not quitting for 4 years. > I don't know who you're kidding, but there is no one on this planet without a strong bias, That is a fantastic exa...
[23:18:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:37] <exec> 08└─You dismiss them as "a piece of paper" that isn't even in the same neighborhood as saying they represent showing up and not quitting for 4 years.
[23:18:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:39] <exec> 08└─The degree asserts that person A has a certain level of understanding and familiarity with their area of study.
[23:18:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blame external factors? - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:45] <exec> 08└─That's the problem with racists. Those fuckers are always hanging around looking for a reasonable discussion to use as a starting off point for their bullshit. They want to steal the legitimacy of actual problems to help them sell their racist bullshit.
[23:18:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unions can be useful and a pain too - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:18:53] <exec> 08└─I can't recall who said it, but my stance on using correct capitals, fixing basic errors, etc. is best summed up as (said conversationally, not actually aimed at you): if you don't feel what you have to say is important enough to make that small an effort, what makes you think it's important enough...
[23:19:07] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03g2 In The Desert [3773] 02The troubling part - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 411 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:19:08] <exec> 08└─I think it's great that the Senators are going to look at a policy that seems increasingly anti - US Worker. But the troubling part is that they were complicit in this activity as it blossomed over the last ten to fifteen years. It shouldn't take a union, a special interest group or a political ac...
[23:19:08] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:The troubling part - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 834 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:19:08] <exec> 08└─Elizabeth Warren explained how this works on a recent episode the daily show. She laid out a sophisticated understanding of the real way power and money intersect. It's not primarily about quid pro quo cash for favors. It's about whose voices get heard and what issues end up on the agenda. "The win...
[23:19:11] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] 02Re:Enforcement should be the first priority - 06Senators will Listen to Tech Union Members about H-1B - 131 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:19:12] <exec> 08└─I disagree. There should be no H1B anything. No fuckin reason what so ever is justified enough for the shit-storm that these cause.
[23:19:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:19:35] <exec> 08└─Still, you haven't convinced me it's not a missed occasion.
[23:19:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem - 06Amnesty International Takes UK Government to European Court of Human Rights - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:19:39] <exec> 08└─One problem with what you suggest is that it isn't yet possible, we have to deal with what is possible and being done right now. Another problem with it is with all that information available, how do you find the important information you need to make your decisions? Humans can only deal with a fini...
[23:19:50] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03kaszz [4211] 02Re:Newer, Better is a Click Away - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 610 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:19:51] <exec> 08└─Induction proof: 1) Whoever you pair up with it won't be perfect. (universe is imperfect as Hawkings has stated) 2) At any time you can look for a better match. 3) Because no matter how good match you may have (1) there will always be a better match (2) such that you will NEVER be satisfied or have...
[23:20:06] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] 02Re:Don't forget about the Tranny Effect. - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 1026 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:20:07] <exec> 08└─Wow, your medical knowledge is rather pathetic. M-to-F people do not have their testicles turned into ovaries; that's quite impossible. What really happens is they have to take estrogen pills every day since their bodies don't naturally produce it. But yes, they do do some rather impressive reconstr...
[23:20:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03VortexCortex [4067] (Score:2) 02Re:Newer, Better is a Click Away - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:20:12] <exec> 08└─We're addicted to the newness and initial rush of new partners, and technology only enables that further.
[23:20:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:20:35] <exec> 08└─Damn straight! It horrendous how I can't shoot that guy over there.
[23:20:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:i dont buy it - 06Social Media is Ruining Marriage for the Millennial Generation - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:20:38] <exec> 08└─You make it sound like the grass is greener on the other side. Theres a thing called globesity. Caucasians the world over are turning into fatasses.
[23:22:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Ugh - 06French TV Hack a Major 'Step Up' in Cyberjihadism - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:22:38] <exec> 08└─If the guy claiming it isn't a new word had to google it in order prove it wasn't new then that negates his argument.
[23:22:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Re:It isn't that hard if you know how TelCom works - 06French TV Hack a Major 'Step Up' in Cyberjihadism - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:22:47] <exec> 08└─> thought this xenophobic bullshit slur would go away How can it be a phobia when there's nothing to fear from a people whose language has no word for "victory"?
[23:24:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Probably Sexual Selection - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 781 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:24:24] <exec> 08└─It sounds like you need to work out ways of resolving your differences. Sometimes it's difficult, but it's well worth it. (OTOH, if you can't explain about why evidence is important you've got troubles. Even if you can, though, differences about what counts as reliable evidence [i.e., who do you tru...
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