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[13:01:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Everything is Crap, always - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:01:47] <exec> 08└─The only honest review you ever need.
[13:01:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 421 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:01:48] <exec> 08└─This is a fundamental issue with crowdsourced recommendations. If buyers trust them, they create a financial incentive for sellers to improve their scores. And as long as that incentive exists, someone out there will gladly fill the market niche and provide good review scores for money. The problem...
[13:01:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The Knights that say Phi - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:01:56] <exec> 08└─Can't wait to see Skylake land on the desktop and watch it struggle with a perfectly ordinary mixture of SSE and AVX code. Who knows, maybe AVX-512 will be an actual improvement. But for now I'm still compiling for AVX-128 even on Haswell because AVX-256 is a flop.
[13:01:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The Knights that say Phi - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 530 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:01:58] <exec> 08└─Intel rekt you yet again: http://wccftech.com [wccftech.com] http://www.kitguru.net [kitguru.net] As it turns out, only “Cannonlake”...
[13:01:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Knights that say Phi - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:00] <exec> 08└─However, Intel decided not to enable any AVX-512 instructions in consumer versions of the code-named “Skylake” processors, reports Bits & Chips web-site. While future Xeon chips that belong to the “Skylake” generation will support select AVX-512 instructions.
[13:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The Knights that say Phi - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:01] <exec> 08└─Hey, it's your money. We can call Xeon a desktop chip.
[13:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Knights that say Phi - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:03] <exec> 08└─Dell sells Xeon as a desktop chip, therefore it is a desktop chip.
[13:02:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03fadrian [3194] (Score:2) 02I don't understand... - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:04] <exec> 08└─Why do all these articles have a bunch of crap in them about what the research project are going to do? Sure they'll do all that kind of stuff on it, but why don't they just be honest? It's going to crunch lots and lots of numbers and I really don't care, as a computer guy, what those numbers say -...
[13:02:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I don't understand... - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:06] <exec> 08└─You forgot the most important step where it emails you the results so you can print a report to give to your pointy haired boss.
[13:02:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:I don't understand... - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:08] <exec> 08└─Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
[13:02:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I don't understand... - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:09] <exec> 08└─I really don't care, as a computer guy, what those numbers say
[13:02:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Stays in Nevada? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:13] <exec> 08└─Wait a minute. that is what they call a "quaranteen"! Hoof and Mouth in Nevada again? Or Cliven Bundy disease? Or is it just Vegas, cause you know, stays in Vegas, which is in Nevada, so by the property of commutivity. . . (He said she was a girl, honest!!)
[13:02:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02vying for the perfect storm? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:15] <exec> 08└─this is trying to create what can only be described as the absolute worst single point of failure.
[13:02:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:vying for the perfect storm? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:16] <exec> 08└─"Government, the absolute worst single point of failure".
[13:02:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Encrypted VPN? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:18] <exec> 08└─Shouldn't these super-cyber-security-experts already be using encrypted VPN connections with all the trimmings? Or perhaps a completely private network of pneumatic tubes?
[13:02:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:3, Insightful) 02A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 401 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:20] <exec> 08└─Unless they create a separate, private network with its own cables, routers, etc., I don't see how this is technically possible to guarantee. TCP/IP networks are designed to route around damaged or congested segments by sending traffic via other routes. And since most ISP's are national or larger in...
[13:02:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:21] <exec> 08└─TCP/IP networks are designed to route around damaged or congested segments by sending traffic via other routes.
[13:02:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:23] <exec> 08└─The tortoises would like to have a word with you
[13:02:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:24] <exec> 08└─it's single-points-of failure all the way down.
[13:02:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:26] <exec> 08└─Someone trying to ensure their traffic stays within a physical boundary runs cable within a physical boundary. It's not rocket science, it's network engineering.
[13:02:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Corrupt packets - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:28] <exec> 08└─When did government corruption become so obvious. At least in the old days people had the discretion not to broadcast their ownership of senators so blatantly.
[13:02:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02Can you say, "Boondoggle"? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:29] <exec> 08└─Sure you can! Won't you be my neighbor too?
[13:02:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Can you say, "Boondoggle"? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:31] <exec> 08└─No, neighbor. Stay on your side of the state line.
[13:02:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Imbecility - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 708 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:33] <exec> 08└─When it comes to politicians, the great American sage Mark Twain should be consulted for the appropriate humorous anecdote. I consult my library for one (on a bookshelf, mind you). This is from a article he wrote for the Virginia City Territorial Enterprise in 1866: And speaking of steamboats remind...
[13:02:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02DMCA takedown, just for spite, in 3... 2.. 1. - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:34] <exec> 08└─Yeah I hope nobody has a backup copy cuz its gonna be gone from YouTube reeeeel soooon. Go fuck a fish.
[13:02:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Editor ahoooooy! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 7 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:36] <exec> 08└─amatuer
[13:02:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:2) 02Re:Editor ahoooooy! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:37] <exec> 08└─That particular typo was the editor's doing... It didn't even occur to me to call the camera work "amateur" (probably because even in 1994 most amateurs knew which part of the camera to point at their target), so I said it was "camera juggling" instead. :o)
[13:02:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:Editor ahoooooy! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 1377 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:39] <exec> 08└─Joe the dyslexic cop gets pulled into the captain's office, where he is read the riot act. The captain says, "You're a good cop, but these reports just aren't going to cut it anymore, Joe! They're practically illegible! The next report, if there's even one word misspelled on it, you are going on sus...
[13:02:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Re:Editor ahoooooy! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:41] <exec> 08└─Amatu, amatuer, amatuest. Duh.
[13:02:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02There are still newsgroups?! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:43] <exec> 08└─I thought that shit died like disco and American civil liberties.
[13:02:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:There are still newsgroups?! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:44] <exec> 08└─Newsgroups are no shit. Rather they are a truly distributed discussion system. That's why it will likely be around longer than any web forum in existence: One provider shutting down doesn't mean that anything is gone; it just means you'll have to find another provider. And everyone can run a server...
[13:02:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03CRCulver [4390] (Score:2) 02Re:There are still newsgroups?! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 1160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:46] <exec> 08└─Newsgroups are indeed shit if the community remaining in them is shit. I participated in several sci.* groups in the 1990s, and at the time many prominent people in the field were present, resulting in some rich conversation. Around the turn of the millennium, most of the community left for other fo...
[13:02:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03sudo rm -rf [2357] (Score:2) 02Sorry, not that new - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:47] <exec> 08└─I have seen this video years ago on youtube, but when I wanted to show it to a friend it was gone.[citation needed]
[13:02:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Sorry, not that new - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:49] <exec> 08└─Yes, and Luke threw the grappling hook twice... You might have seen this [youtube.com] and your mind has elaborated it over time. I used to have the perfect example of how fallible memory is from my own life, but ironically I've forgotten it.
[13:02:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03sudo rm -rf [2357] (Score:2) 02Re:Sorry, not that new - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:51] <exec> 08└─Indeed, I stand corrected. Now where was that submit button...
[13:02:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03sigma [1225] (Score:0, Troll) 02Shouldn't that be curry-based? - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:52] <exec> 08└─Frankly, I don't blame the drones. I've produced an occasional spray while travelling in India myself.
[13:02:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Shouldn't that be curry-based? - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:02:54] <exec> 08└─Bhut jolokia [wikipedia.org]
[13:02:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:3, Funny) 02I Doubt - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:56] <exec> 08└─Somehow I doubt that being pepper sprayed would phase a Indian. They would probably just complain about the blandness of American taste and carry on.
[13:02:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02The price seems right - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:57] <exec> 08└─The cost quoted is 600,000 Rupees, or about $9,600 (USD) per drone.
[13:02:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Redundant) 02Maddox is right again - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:59] <exec> 08└─Proving once again that drones are the biggest problem in the universe. Remember to always shoot down drones. [thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com] Vote it up, people.
[13:03:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Maddox is right again - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 931 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:00] <exec> 08└─Drones, heck. Reminds me of one of the most effective anti-helicopter technologies utilized by the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong against the Americans. Crossbows, firing a meter-long steel rod. Messes up rotors big time. And close enough, it is a large target. So, you got your drones, all us...
[13:03:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03sigma [1225] (Score:2) 02Re:Maddox is right again - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:02] <exec> 08└─History disagrees.
[13:03:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Maddox is right again - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:04] <exec> 08└─History? Pray tell, what dost thou knowest of history? Verily, the Ewoks did prevail against the Death Star, as even Lord Vader himself predicted. The Americans had to leave Vietnam in shame, guilty of many war crimes, defeated by a much less technologically capable foe. This lesson was not lost o...
[13:03:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03islisis [2901] (Score:1) 02It's here - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:05] <exec> 08└─Welcome to 21st century cowardice
[13:03:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Hospitality at its finest... - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:07] <exec> 08└─Drones deliveryng condiments at the festival! Very considerate of the hosts. I may try to go next year for the spicy atmosphere! ;-)
[13:03:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Anti-drone systems? - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:09] <exec> 08└─So now plebs have the incentive to develop anti-drone systems? I guess various radar and servo systems will be popular.
[13:03:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02Re:Anti-drone systems? - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:10] <exec> 08└─A decent slingshot and some old bearing balls or marbles are pretty effective too, and more suited to the economic situation of said plebs.
[13:03:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02FFS - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:12] <exec> 08└─Cory Doctorow's books are not supposed to be a manual! Neither is 1984! FFS people. Perhaps we should stop giving them ideas. This is so Homeland
[13:03:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Funny) 02Immortal software... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:14] <exec> 08└─All immortal software is written in COBOL.
[13:03:14] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03sigma [1225] 02Re:Immortal software... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 43 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:15] <exec> 08└─Undead and immortal are not the same thing.
[13:03:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wierd0n3 [1033] (Score:1) 02Re:Immortal software... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:17] <exec> 08└─vampires? (not the sparkly ones lol)
[13:03:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:2) 02Re:Immortal software... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:18] <exec> 08└─No, JavaScript is the best candidate for the job.
[13:03:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Troll) 02It isn't linux - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:20] <exec> 08└─Linus and crew are allowing Systemd and Gnome crew to delete all the hard work of the past.
[13:03:21] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03meisterister [949] 02BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 415 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:22] <exec> 08└─Given that the BSD developers care about functionality and stability more than pandering to the lowest common denominator, I would fully expect a BSD install to last for several decades if not a century (barring component failures). They should also use a KISS approach, since I don't expect that any...
[13:03:23] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03sigma [1225] 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 232 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:23] <exec> 08└─Given that the BSD developers care about functionality and stability more than pandering to the lowest common denominator, I would fully expect a BSD install to last for several decades if not a century (barring component failures).
[13:03:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:25] <exec> 08└─fuck you and systemd
[13:03:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03sigma [1225] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:27] <exec> 08└─Fuck me? Sorry, AC, but I don't go in for these backdoor shenanigans. Sure, I'm flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no!
[13:03:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03tynin [2013] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:28] <exec> 08└─I'm pretty sure you don't give a toot about systemd, because that isn't what this is about. It is about truly adaptive software that can integrate in the face of changing hardware. One of the places these systems will make sense is in infrastructure that just needs to do 1 thing well, and for a long...
[13:03:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:30] <exec> 08└─You mean like TCP/IP along with the associated alphabet soup of protocols? Packetheads figured that stuff out decades ago. It would be nice to apply that methodology to other things. The track record for networking robustness is amazing.
[13:03:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:32] <exec> 08└─Apparently TCP/IP software was not able to automatically adapt to a growing number of connected computers, so a manual update (IPv6) was needed.
[13:03:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03lentilla [1770] (Score:2) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:33] <exec> 08└─systemd looks much more like a step down that adaptive path
[13:03:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03sigma [1225] (Score:2) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:35] <exec> 08└─Well, since the kernel devs are working on 4.0 now, 4.1.15-1.1381_SKYN12nnmp [googleusercontent.com] can't be too far away...
[13:03:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:37] <exec> 08└─Their goal is to have software that is ADAPTIVE - software that can modify itself to cope with hardware and other resource changes and developments.
[13:03:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03sigma [1225] (Score:2) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:38] <exec> 08└─See tibman's comment below. http://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] It's about software that's tolerant to large disruptions to its hardware, potentially including, as you say, different robotics platforms. Frankly, it's not that hard to imagine - older platforms lik...
[13:03:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:40] <exec> 08└─Then it is no longer the software that is adaptable but hardware that is fixed enough through time that software does not need to change itself. Might as well call windows infinitely adaptable because a usb stick can be plugged in with a patching script.
[13:03:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:41] <exec> 08└─systemd looks much more like a step down that adaptive path than any other init system
[13:03:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:43] <exec> 08└─Their goal is to have software that is ADAPTIVE - software that can modify itself
[13:03:44] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 3027 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:45] <exec> 08└─Not a chance. In the past 30 years, we've moved from 8 bit to 16, 32, and 64 bit systems. Every one of those moves required a lot of reworking. You might think after moving from 16 to 32, we'd have it down, and the shift to 64 bit would be easy, but no. Many programs have an implicit limit on the am...
[13:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 2388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:46] <exec> 08└─You are describing existing execution environments. They all are unsuitable, of course, that's why DARPA is asking for a solution. I would think that the desired solution will come with its own, sufficiently abstract language and I/O, and all that can run on any hardware that can execute the langua...
[13:03:47] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03jmorris [4844] 02Wrong approach - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 1820 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:48] <exec> 08└─If a software based system is expected to remain in service more than a few years, making it even more complex than current systems is exactly the wrong direction. A modern system is already a clusterfsck of bogosity held together by a constant stream of patches. TCP/IP itself isn't even really secu...
[13:03:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong approach - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:03:50] <exec> 08└─This is similar in justification, if not implementation, to Urbit [github.com] and its idea of Martian Programming [blogspot.com]. Even if it leads nowhere, there are people attempting this today.
[13:03:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Opportunity - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:51] <exec> 08└─I can provide this software, it will cost 5 trillion dollars and will never work. Kind of like all the other defense projects in the US. I'll take the first tranche now please.
[13:03:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02XP... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:53] <exec> 08└─is already 14% there.
[13:03:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03arslan [3462] (Score:2) 02Software Systems - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:55] <exec> 08└─Was there a concept of software systems 100 years ago? Who knows what the future will look 100 years from now, software systems could be the rotary phone of yesteryear..
[13:03:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Informative) 02Multics - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 555 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:56] <exec> 08└─Sounds like Multics is excellent at live hardware changes. At the MIT system, where most early software development was done, it was common practice to split the multiprocessor system into two separate systems during off-hours by incrementally removing enough components to form a second working syst...
[13:03:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Dumb as rock - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:58] <exec> 08└─It's not the software. It's the hardware that don't last. Who runs DARPA these days? Fucking morons.
[13:03:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:3, Insightful) 02C++??? - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 2717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:03:59] <exec> 08└─I have been using C++ for quite some time now. Across several platforms. I believe damned near anything can be done with C++ with proper libraries. I still see old DOS systems cranking along on old Borland C++. A good 25 years old. Even the latest Arduino incantations still speak C++. So does NetBur...
[13:04:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03lentilla [1770] (Score:2) 02Re:C++??? - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:01] <exec> 08└─If you are designing a toilet, you may design it to last a hundred years ( *especially* if YOU are the one who is going to have to fix the thing if it leaks! )
[13:04:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:3, Informative) 02Back We Go To 1978... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:04:03] <exec> 08└─The UCSD P-System [wikipedia.org] FTW! Just port the execution environment [wikipedia.org] to new hardware platforms with performance tweaks and you're good to go! I think I just saved the world! thank you, 20th century!
[13:04:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03VortexCortex [4067] (Score:2) 02A solved problem for over 3 thousand-million years - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 4128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:04:04] <exec> 08└─Every problem in Computer Science can be solved by adding another layer of indirection. So you just place a shim between the software and the operating environment/hardware: A virtual machine. You write code to the VM's opcode and every system it runs on needs a VM implementation (like how you need...
[13:04:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03lizardloop [4716] (Score:1) 02Re:A solved problem for over 3 thousand-million ye - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:06] <exec> 08└─I like your post although I feel like I didn't full understand. You're essentially saying Darpa needs to start writing everything in Perl and Java?
[13:04:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:3, Funny) 02I left a few complex organic molecules of my own - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:04:08] <exec> 08└─Of course, she was more "young starlet" than "young star"...
[13:04:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:I left a few complex organic molecules of my ow - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:09] <exec> 08└─The discovery, made with the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA)
[13:04:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 930 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:04:11] <exec> 08└─Every new observation that suggests conditions favorable for life are more common than previously believed is bad news for humanity. If life is everywhere why haven't we detected any extraterrestrial intelligence? Surely there ought to be many civilizations which got a few million years of a headsta...
[13:04:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:12] <exec> 08└─Every new observation that suggests conditions favorable for life are more common than previously believed is bad news for humanity. If life is everywhere why haven't we detected any extraterrestrial intelligence? Surely there ought to be many civilizations which got a few million years of a headsta...
[13:04:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:14] <exec> 08└─If Klaatu shows up on "The O'Reilly Factor,"
[13:04:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:16] <exec> 08└─If Klaatu shows up on "The O'Reilly Factor,"
[13:04:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:17] <exec> 08└─Or most likely, we're actually part of an ancestor simulator being run by whatever humanity becomes. (If you accept that eventually there will be enough computing power for such simulations to be run and that future transhumans would have an interest in running many such simulations, such that the n...
[13:04:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:19] <exec> 08└─Like, defining an arbitrary minimum temperature, or maybe a maximum speed, or just make knowledge about speed and location only knowledgeable within a certain threshold at all?
[13:04:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:20] <exec> 08└─Or most likely, we're actually part of an ancestor simulator being run by whatever humanity becomes.
[13:04:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:22] <exec> 08└─Unless of course there is a great filter [wikipedia.org] and the probability of intelligent life eradicating itself approaches one as time increases.
[13:04:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Great Filter made worse - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 3515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:24] <exec> 08└─With respect to the Great Filter, I believe it's actually worse than stated, because of emergent phenomena. Let's start with the example of earthworms and soil, as described by Maturana and Varela as an example of "autopoiesis" (pity I can't find that book anymore anywhere!). Earthworms eat soil. Ea...
[13:04:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03dublet [2994] (Score:2) 02Re:Great Filter made worse - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:25] <exec> 08└─I believe what you're describing is essentially the Network effect [wikipedia.org], which can be taken into consideration when modelling things.
[13:04:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:04:27] <exec> 08└─One more reason to avoid FB.
[13:04:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:29] <exec> 08└─To avoid a... divorce? Apparently not even one where money is at stake?
[13:04:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 22 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:30] <exec> 08└─To avoid a... divorce?
[13:04:31] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Snow [1601] 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 90 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:32] <exec> 08└─I always think long term. I'm on my first marriage, but already planning my third divorce!
[13:04:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:33] <exec> 08└─Congrats. Careful though with the long term thinking, some may end of not marrying even a first time due to the rational undecidability of the problem.
[13:04:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:35] <exec> 08└─Are there any upsides to marriage for men? Why is it acceptable under the Equal Protection clause that the male partner is responsible for the lifestyle maintenance of the female partner after the partnership is over? Is this archaic thinking that women are damaged goods after a divorce?
[13:04:36] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03danmars [3662] 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 232 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:37] <exec> 08└─It often goes the other way in the case that the wife is the breadwinner. So I would say the answer to your question is "no". http://ideas.time.com [time.com]
[13:04:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:38] <exec> 08└─Alimony is nonsense anyway. Get a job like everyone else has to or find a way to support your current lifestyle (or downgrade it if it is too costly and extravagant). There are also social safety nets if people are in real trouble. I don't see why people should be punished just for getting a divorce...
[13:04:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03danmars [3662] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:40] <exec> 08└─Okay, he asked more than 1 question. Are there any upsides to marriage for men? Yes. Why is it acceptable under the Equal Protection clause? It is more-or-less equal, that's why. Is this archaic thinking that women are damaged goods after a divorce? No.
[13:04:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:42] <exec> 08└─It often goes the other way
[13:04:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:43] <exec> 08└─The reason it is news worth enough to appear in TIME is because it is the exception to the rule. A novelty. A difference without a meaning. So you agree that, according to the legal system, men are entitled to alimony. There's better man law to complain about anyway. According to the TIME lin...
[13:04:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 277 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:45] <exec> 08└─It happened to a friend of mine in Boston. She had been a stay-at-home mother for over a decade, but the court said she was capable of working so his alimony was reduced by the amount she could reasonably earn given her education level and prior work experience as an engineer.
[13:04:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:46] <exec> 08└─Is this archaic thinking that women are damaged goods after a divorce?
[13:04:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 22 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:48] <exec> 08└─The Kasparov-Casanova.
[13:04:49] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03hemocyanin [186] 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 828 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:50] <exec> 08└─There are plenty of reasons to avoid FB but this isn't one, nor is it surprising. In the absence of any way to communicate with the other party, the Court would have allowed service by publication -- a notice placed in the want ads of a local paper. Nobody reads want ads anymore -- there is absolute...
[13:04:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 745 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:51] <exec> 08└─Service via newspaper is reserved for those cases where you don't know who to notify. (Unknown creditors of a deceased person, unknown heirs, etc.) It is a judicial last resort, and act of desperation. This is not that. In this case, they know who the person is. They can find out approximately WHERE...
[13:04:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:53] <exec> 08└─Email doesn't have any authentication of the sender. Facebook can provide that for process servers if they wanted to.
[13:04:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:04:55] <exec> 08└─Sorry, you are not correct. Service by publication is used for many situations when personal service is not possible on a known person for some reason. The rules differ by state, but here is the statute for Washington: http://apps.leg.wa.gov [wa.gov] You'll notice that...
[13:04:55] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03captain normal [2205] 02Dear crazy wife; - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 21 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:04:56] <exec> 08└─You are "unfriended".
[13:04:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Wont do anything for SN but ... - 06GitHub Announcing Git Large File Storage - 621 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:04:58] <exec> 08└─While the SN repo is small enough it wouldn't change anything for us, I can imagine it will go a *long* way with organizations that have non-coders that have to interact with a codebase. I was a developer on a MMORPG, and had to work with artists who didn't know the first thing about quality control...
[13:04:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03cats [4817] (Score:1) 02Re:Wont do anything for SN but ... - 06GitHub Announcing Git Large File Storage - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:00] <exec> 08└─I think this will be big for games developers and graphic designers. In my experience graphics folks tend not to use version control at all. It will be cool if in 5-10 years we'll be able to fork a movie on GitHub and make our own custom edits.
[13:05:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02A place for releases, now they need a build system - 06GitHub Announcing Git Large File Storage - 513 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:01] <exec> 08└─This is great because keeping large files outside the repository will help with many things. One thing I see is that this give an easy place to put releases. Now, all they need is a build system and you can have a reliable way of assuring that the executable, package or tarball you are downloading i...
[13:05:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Replacing the complex workflow - 06GitHub Announcing Git Large File Storage - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:03] <exec> 08└─If the workflow in itself is complex, why do you think relying on GitHit will simplify it? (did the complexity crept in because of limited storage resources or is the production workflow inherently complex?)
[13:05:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marneus68 [3572] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Replacing the complex workflow - 06GitHub Announcing Git Large File Storage - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:04] <exec> 08└─>If the workflow in itself is complex, why do you think relying on GitHit will simplify it? GitHub doesn't simplify anything, Git LFS could. >(did the complexity crept in because of limited storage resources or is the production workflow inherently complex?) The complexity is inherent to the type of...
[13:05:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Interesting) 02See Also - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 688 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:06] <exec> 08└─Stephen J. Gould's "Full House: The Spread of Excellence from Plato to Darwin" (1996). The more interest there is in a game, the more players participate, so the larger sample size and filtering effect causes variance to decrease. Half of Gould's book was in reference to baseball and the disappearan...
[13:05:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03SubiculumHammer [5191] (Score:1) 02Re:See Also - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:08] <exec> 08└─Interesting idea. But note that in baseball there have been changes to the rules, the height of mounds, equipment, stadiums, etc. Lots of reasons for stats to change.
[13:05:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:See Also - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:09] <exec> 08└─Steroids, as well.
[13:05:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:See Also - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:11] <exec> 08└─IEDs would certainly spice up baseball, though.
[13:05:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 544 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:13] <exec> 08└─Fischer agreed with Capablanca, and came up with Fischer Random Chess, where the back rows are permuted. That adds a few bits to the complexity, you now have to master a thousand more opening "moves". Of course, computers have a lot more free time to master these, and will quickly become dominant. T...
[13:05:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:14] <exec> 08└─or you could play go. the rules are simpler, so you don't even need to be that smart to play it :)
[13:05:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:16] <exec> 08└─Torn between +Informative and +Funny.
[13:05:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:18] <exec> 08└─Go with informative. It is "Go", after all. And you do not have to be smart to play, that is true. But to win. . . .
[13:05:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:19] <exec> 08└─or you could play go [wikipedia.org]. the rules are simpler, so you don't even need to be that smart [wikipedia.org] to play it :)
[13:05:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:21] <exec> 08└─gnu go beats the crap out of me every time I try it. maybe I'm just dumb.
[13:05:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:23] <exec> 08└─I've long thought of Age of Empires II as modern chess.
[13:05:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:1) 02would like to see more analysis - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 556 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:24] <exec> 08└─Lets take a lot of chess games, and look at the following, in no specific order: 1. how often does a given color "lead" and the other "respond"? 2. what is the complexity of the game, when the roles shift 3. what action prevailed the shift? passivity? failed attack? 4. what color leads when the play...
[13:05:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:would like to see more analysis - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:26] <exec> 08└─1. how often does a given color "lead" and the other "respond"? 3. what action prevailed the shift? passivity? failed attack? 5. over many games, how often does the roles shift?
[13:05:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rickter [842] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Chess 960 - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:27] <exec> 08└─If you increase the amount of positions by (nearly) a thousand, then that's going to significantly hinder the ability of human players to memorize positions or openings. After all, if you have less than a 1% chance of hitting any given opening position in a given game, then who would have the time t...
[13:05:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Chess 960 - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:29] <exec> 08└─My own son is learning the game, and I'm considering giving him another year or two with the standard layout before throwing in 960, which will put us on a somewhat more equal footing as far as game history.
[13:05:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2) 02Re:Chess 960 - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:31] <exec> 08└─When you switch to 960, I suggest playing two games with each randomly generated board. The advantage that white has over black can be staggering with some setups, so giving both players a chance to open each board is necessary for balancing.
[13:05:32] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03MrGuy [1007] 02Unparticle Man, Unparticle Man - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 92 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:32] <exec> 08└─Not doing the things A particle can What's he like? It's apparently important Unparticle man
[13:05:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:Unparticle Man, Unparticle Man - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:34] <exec> 08└─Yours is a better reference than mine: Unparticles? But that's unpossible!
[13:05:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Unparticle Man, Unparticle Man - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:36] <exec> 08└─Dude duh, you never heard of the imparticle then? ;-) Now I have other things to do. Like fetching that Unobtainium I ordered on eBait through PayPoof.
[13:05:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:1) 02Dark matter? - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:37] <exec> 08└─These unparticles sound like they belong in the realm of dark matter and/or energy.
[13:05:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03theronb [2596] (Score:1) 02Disappointing name - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:39] <exec> 08└─Given some of the colorful nomenclature physicists have come up with - quarks, gluons, charm, etc. - "unparticle" is a particularly uninspiring name. Come on guys, you can do better than this!
[13:05:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:1) 02Re:Disappointing name - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:40] <exec> 08└─How about glark? Glark matter or glark energy.
[13:05:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Unparticles makes sense in a different framework - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:42] <exec> 08└─Perhaps these "unparticles" are just like a temporary reminder when doing calculus by pen and paper? If one base one's view of physics as everything being of wave nature. This seems natural. It's only our measure and understanding that get these unparticles because we don't understand what happens r...
[13:05:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03threedigits [607] (Score:2) 02Confusing - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:44] <exec> 08└─I'm a bit confused, but maybe it's the article's explanation of what "unparticles" are. It says: "While a particle's mass always stays the same, even though its energy and momentum may change, unparticles are different. In an unparticle, all three of these properties—mass, energy, and momentum—...
[13:05:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Or.. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:45] <exec> 08└─As AT&T puts it... "chump change" Now, terminating contracts with the vendors is good, hopefully that was part of the deal from the FCC. But if that is voluntary and the fine was monetary only, AT&T has learned nothing, and will simply do it again.
[13:05:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Or.. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 597 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:47] <exec> 08└─The CEO probably spends that much every weekend on golf, drinks, hookers, and "contributions" for random politicians. This is a total chump change "fine" -- like if the fine for going 100mph was 57 cents, no points on your license, and no effect on insurance. Officer: I clocked you doing 106 in a 50...
[13:05:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:4, Informative) 02This is not a data breech. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 427 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:49] <exec> 08└─A data breech is when someone from the outside penetrates and steals data. This is data theft - employees with access to data used that access to steal the data. Target and Home Depot had weak security that outsiders were able to exploit. That feels different to me from AT&T's employees (and/or cont...
[13:05:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03AnonTechie [2275] (Score:2) 02Re:This is not a data breech. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:50] <exec> 08└─This is data theft - employees with access to data used that access to steal the data.
[13:05:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:This is not a data breech. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:52] <exec> 08└─Made damn sure to suppress news of it when it happens?
[13:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score:2) 02Re:This is not a data breech. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:54] <exec> 08└─They paid a fine that is a tiny fraction of how much they saved by dodgy offshoring. I'm sure they learned a valuable lesson from this.
[13:05:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is not a data breech. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:55] <exec> 08└─So the original data is gone? Or else how could it be theft?
[13:05:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:3, Funny) 02Subjects are an anachronism - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:05:57] <exec> 08└─"FCC Agrees to...Fine" Yeah, when I go to traffic court, I usually the judge how much of a fine I'm willing to pay, and they usually accept it.
[13:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Re:Subjects are an anachronism - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:05:58] <exec> 08└─Agree. I much prefer the Sweedish system [nydailynews.com] of fines being proportional to assets.
[13:05:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:2) 02Finland's fines, not Sweden's - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:00] <exec> 08└─Actually, that speeding fine was imposed in Finland, not Sweden. Read the article.
[13:06:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Rate Change - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:02] <exec> 08└─And for some inexplicable reason your rates just went up $0.25 / month . . .
[13:06:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Rate Change - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:03] <exec> 08└─And for some inexplicable reason your rates just went up $0.25 / month . . . And Verizon's didn't. It's called competition...
[13:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:Rate Change - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:05] <exec> 08└─My complaint is that it will inevitably come back to the consumer paying for it. So, our privacy is breached and we get to pay for it.
[13:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Rate Change - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:07] <exec> 08└─Verizon's rates are pegged at about the highest amount possible before people decide they just don't need a cell phone, or Verizon.
[13:06:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Max Hyre [3427] (Score:3, Interesting) 02So what was AT&T doing with customers' SSNs? - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:08] <exec> 08└─The IRS, my employers, and my banks get my Social-Security Number. All others get nada. (And if they insist obnoxiously enough, they get random-number generator output.)
[13:06:09] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03rondon [5167] 02Says the man in the black suit - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 236 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:10] <exec> 08└─Why would we believe a word this Patrick Rodenbush says? Government officials have perjured themselves before congress and the courts with no ramifications. Cry wolf one time, for real for me Patrick. I will enjoy watching you be eaten.
[13:06:11] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03takyon [881] 02Re:Says the man in the black suit - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 426 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:12] <exec> 08└─It should be noted that Human Rights Watch isn't just suing over the illegality of the program, it also wants to confirm that records have been deleted: Although the DEA has indicated the program was “suspended” in 2013, this suit seeks to ensure the program is permanently terminated, that it ca...
[13:06:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Says the man in the black suit - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:14] <exec> 08└─Sure. no problem. not like any other agency has the budget to have a copy of the entire database. Our department has stopped doing this and have delete the data under our control is not the same as nobody in the US gov't is doing this and the data no longer exits.
[13:06:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Says the man in the black suit - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:17] <exec> 08└─And isn't this a bit like saying that "But your Honor, I'm not murdering anybody at this very instant in time am I..."
[13:06:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Standing. - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:20] <exec> 08└─The government's approach on similar cases has been to move to dismiss for lack of standing. In surveillance cases, they claim the defendant can't prove they're being surveilled, and that they can't say who IS being surveilled because it's secret. In a case like this, they'll likely argue that HRW (...
[13:06:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Standing. - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:23] <exec> 08└─Which makes it nearly impossible to defend the constitution. Standing is just nonsense in these cases; when the government violates the constitution, that harms us all, so everyone has standing.
[13:06:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Standing. - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 541 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:27] <exec> 08└─The "Standing" argument can be used for things even more egregious than this: When Barack Obama put out an order to have Anwar al-Awlaki summarily executed without trial (or what us civilians call "murdered"), al-Awlaki's father sued to try to stop him, citing the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Ame...
[13:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Standing. - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:30] <exec> 08└─The government's approach on similar cases has been to move to dismiss for lack of standing. The DEA isn't an intelligence agency. Presumably they were using this evidence in cases that went on the public record.
[13:06:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Standing. - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 1451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:33] <exec> 08└─Doesn't seem likely to me. You're expect that the government willingly entered evidence obtained through dragnet warrantless mass surveillance at a public trial? I don't see any evidence of a FISA or other judicial sanction for this program. Aside from any remotely competent lawyer having an easy ti...
[13:06:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:Standing. - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:34] <exec> 08└─the DEA is the primary recipient of the NSA dragnet. [washingtonpost.com]
[13:06:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Standing. - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:36] <exec> 08└─> they'll likely argue that HRW (as an organization) has no direct standing to challenge a program that recorded individuals. It was a bulk recording system, they are going to argue that those individuals were recorded while doing the work of the organization.
[13:06:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03AnonTechie [2275] (Score:2) 02Use of Collected Bulk Data - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:38] <exec> 08└─Would the DEA provide any info about how the collected data was used and how many drug related crimes were prevented (if any) ?
[13:06:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Use of Collected Bulk Data - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:39] <exec> 08└─The drug war should vanish anyway, so who cares how many drug-related crimes were prevented?
[13:06:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sir Finkus [192] (Score:2) 02Just saying... - 06Human Rights Watch Sues DEA over Bulk Data Collection - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:41] <exec> 08└─"All of the information has been deleted," he said in an email to Reuters. "The agency is no longer collecting bulk telephony metadata from U.S. service providers."
[13:06:42] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03t-3 [4907] 02Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 56 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:06:43] <exec> 08└─Isn't discussing politics at work pretty unprofessional?
[13:06:43] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 139 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:44] <exec> 08└─either there are problems with your views or there are problems with the workplace. It was not the expressing /per se/ that is the problem.
[13:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03khedoros [2921] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:46] <exec> 08└─Why should politics be any different from music?
[13:06:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03arslan [3462] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 418 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:47] <exec> 08└─Because politics and religion, in general, has a higher degree of attachment to people than music. My encounter with people whose affinity with music is so strong that their opinion on it can potentially create conflict at the workplace is much much smaller than say politics and religion. Anecdotal...
[13:06:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:49] <exec> 08└─and never use my vacation days or sick days (unless I really really really have to).
[13:06:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 322 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:51] <exec> 08└─Also because they're part of my negotiated salary - why would I leave time/money on the table? As for sick days - I use them whenever I'm feeling "off", both for my sake and my employer's. It doesn't benefit anyone if a good little worker ant comes in to stumble through the day and infect half the s...
[13:06:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:52] <exec> 08└─Well, sometimes vacation days are redeemable as cash. Certainly, if they want me to work through a 2 week vacation, I expect 2 paychecks.
[13:06:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tramii [920] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:54] <exec> 08└─This comment perfectly demonstrates why you can't share anything with anyone without it turning into an attack. Poster A shares that they "never use my vacation days or sick days (unless I really really really have to)" Poster B apparently takes this as an insult, calls Poster A a name, and then att...
[13:06:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 708 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:55] <exec> 08└─I don't get into discussions of religion at work either (unless you count my opposition to systemd and preference of emacs over vi). Or my views on a wide variety of other topics. You can still be cordial at work, you just keep those topics out by focusing on something much safer: "Hey, Mike, how wa...
[13:06:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:57] <exec> 08└─Taboos are of course culturaly relative, and Finns have *way* fewer taboos than you. Now they've started communicating at all, there's little that can't be the topic of conversation.
[13:06:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:06:59] <exec> 08└─Because politics is fundamentally different from every other topic matter how?
[13:06:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:00] <exec> 08└─I think the reason talking about politics (and religion) has historically been taboo is because people internally know that their opinions are not grounded on as firm a base as they would like,
[13:07:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:02] <exec> 08└─You're just saying you prefer ignorance to knowledge, that's all. Your choice. There's also the fairly clear implication that the reason is that you or your workmates can't handle such knowledge. I'm glad I don't work in such a place.
[13:07:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:03] <exec> 08└─Because politics is fundamentally different from every other topic matter how?
[13:07:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 1128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:05] <exec> 08└─As I said upthread, I accept that there are some idiots who do live by and for the labels they attach, or have had attached through upbringing, to themselves. There are some countries which have a far higher density of such idiots. Maybe you live in one, and your view is poisoned by what you describ...
[13:07:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:07] <exec> 08└─As I said upthread, I accept that there are some idiots who do live by and for the labels they attach, or have had attached through upbringing, to themselves. There are some countries which have a far higher density of such idiots. Maybe you live in one, and your view is poisoned by what you describ...
[13:07:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 1003 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:08] <exec> 08└─You make some good points, but I still don't in general recognise the distinction you're making that separates politics (and religion) from other kinds of inane tribalism. In some ways I do, I've had an utterly dreadful experience with a workmate where, after about half an hour of really interesting...
[13:07:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:10] <exec> 08└─Or perhaps, "Will you destroy your workmates careers if you disagree with their views? It's a real fear: http://www.psychologicalscience.org [psychologicalscience.org]
[13:07:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:12] <exec> 08└─Politics and religion are fundamentally different because the average person tends to be much more invested in those topics, to the point of defining oneself by them
[13:07:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 1248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:13] <exec> 08└─It's a tricky issue. A single baker, for example, refusing to sell cakes to gay (or black, or whatever) people is not a problem. All bakers refusing to sell cakes to the same group would be. As long as there are a sufficient number of bakers willing to sell to a minority group (and the majority of t...
[13:07:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score:2) 02Re:Religious conservatives love Diversity! - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:15] <exec> 08└─If they are truly lesbian, then they are Episcopalian priests. Catholicism still does not ordain women into priesthood.
[13:07:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Religious conservatives love Diversity! - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:16] <exec> 08└─woooosh! and what the hell is "truly lesbian?"
[13:07:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Religious conservatives love Diversity! - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:18] <exec> 08└─Truly Lesbian as contrasted with men who think it is witty to claim to be lesbian. At least that is my steelman [lesswrong.com] assumption.
[13:07:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:2) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 947 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:20] <exec> 08└─Whether that's right or not depends on who you're calling SJWs. One group is people that believe that women & darker-skinned people should also have the option of playing a character physically similar to themselves in more games just like white dudes do, or that we should try to avoid using categor...
[13:07:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:21] <exec> 08└─women & darker-skinned people should also have the option of playing a character physically similar to themselves in more games just like white dudes do
[13:07:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:23] <exec> 08└─> I'd refer you to the study where players don't actually care about this. You would huh? that's why you haven't actually provided a citation for it.
[13:07:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:24] <exec> 08└─http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads/digital-library/11313.28005.pdf [digra.org] Do you need a spoon also?
[13:07:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:26] <exec> 08└─One group is people that believe that women & darker-skinned people should also have the option of playing a character physically similar to themselves in more games just like white dudes do, or that we should try to avoid using category terms as insults (like calling someone a fag, nigger or retard...
[13:07:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:28] <exec> 08└─The single, lone type of comment I've seen that gets somebody called an "SJW" is one that talks bad about whites/males/heterosexuals; literally nothing else draws that label.
[13:07:28] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 680 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:29] <exec> 08└─How many people have Social Justice Warriors killed? How many have they threatened to kill? That to me is a basic test of the morality of an ideology: If an ideology involves a desire to kill a lot of people, then it is almost definitely evil. Social Justice Warriors can be annoying, they've gotten...
[13:07:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:31] <exec> 08└─How many have they threatened to kill?
[13:07:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:32] <exec> 08└─they've tried to pass laws that require bigots to do things they don't want to do.
[13:07:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 243 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:34] <exec> 08└─How many people have Social Justice Warriors killed? How many have they threatened to kill? That to me is a basic test of the morality of an ideology: If an ideology involves a desire to kill a lot of people, then it is almost definitely evil.
[13:07:35] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03bradley13 [3053] 02Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 1177 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:36] <exec> 08└─"Maybe people (liberal as well as conservative) only react strongly when they have convictions rather than mere opinions" You may be right. You go on to talk about religious intolerance (abortion clinics, etc.), and I did note that religion is the one area where I have encountered intolerance on the...
[13:07:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:37] <exec> 08└─Having convictions is still no excuse for demonizing people who disagree with you.
[13:07:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:39] <exec> 08└─I'm convinced that anyone's freedom ends where the freedom of the next starts. So, if someone feels gay people are an abomination, they can, and I won't ask them to sympathize with gay couples. They can just stay away and look the other direction. But if they lobby for taking actions against gays, t...
[13:07:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:40] <exec> 08└─Is the baker's request to not be involved "staying away and looking the other direction"? Are the laws guaranteeing that right to refuse service lobbying against equal rights?
[13:07:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rickter [842] (Score:1) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 1126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:42] <exec> 08└─The issue comes in where the baker or caterer has to decorate a cake that is contrary to what their belief of what marriage is, and then deliver it to an event that celebrates the couple's union. For the photographer, you are helping somebody document and remember something, and trying to do so in a...
[13:07:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:44] <exec> 08└─The issue comes in where the baker or caterer has to decorate a cake that is contrary to what their belief of what marriage is, and then deliver it to an event that celebrates the couple's union.
[13:07:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 912 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:45] <exec> 08└─> backlash To be fair, it seems they were getting a lot of prank delivery orders. A couple of those a day can be the difference between the black and the red. > They got donations from supporters of their policy, but I predict, the backlash would grow while support-donations would decline over time,...
[13:07:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:47] <exec> 08└─With $800K they don't even have to stay open anymore, they won the lotto.
[13:07:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:49] <exec> 08└─So far, no problem. It's only a cake, and if they like that shape - so what. If they like, I'd make it butt-shaped. Maybe not a swastika, but other than that I wouldn't mind much.
[13:07:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:50] <exec> 08└─- Having convictions is still no excuse for demonizing people who disagree with you. Sure, I sincerely believe X, but there are other points of view in the world, just as sincerely held as mine.
[13:07:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:52] <exec> 08└─Are we talking thought-crime here? Or speech? Or actual support of ISIS? Two are freedoms and the third is (probably) a crime.
[13:07:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:53] <exec> 08└─Thought-crimees and speech. NAMBLA condones pederasty but they don't admit to doing it. Same thing with someone promoting ISIS. Also, wasn't all that clear from the context? Has brad said anything about commiting crimes? Why would you bring that up?
[13:07:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:55] <exec> 08└─Obviously if someone is committing crimes then you can demonize them. But can you demonize them if they have a different opinion? I was asking for clarifying question to this: someone who promotes ISIS?
[13:07:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:57] <exec> 08└─Again why did you choose to ignore the context? I explicitly said "someone who advocates" Here's what I think - you thought you saw a tiny crack in my argument and decided you were going to jump in and "gotcha" me with it because the actual point which was spelled out twice in my post alone and clea...
[13:07:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:07:58] <exec> 08└─I asked for a clarification and made no assumption. Isn't that an acceptable thing to do?
[13:07:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Having convictions? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:00] <exec> 08└─Are we talking thought-crime here? Or speech? The author clearly stated "application." So no, we aren't. [wikipedia.org]
[13:08:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 1040 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:01] <exec> 08└─Your entire post is an exercise in confirmation bias. Look at you, one of the flaming conservatives on this site, never in your life have you ever "gone to your right-wing conservative and told them your liberal views." You haven't shown anything other than your empathy for your tribe. > tyranny You...
[13:08:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:03] <exec> 08└─Conservative says he's not conservative because he's not a blood-thirsty religious nutjob. Low bar.
[13:08:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:05] <exec> 08└─He's admitting to being a RINO. [wikipedia.org]
[13:08:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03triklyn [5169] (Score:1) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:06] <exec> 08└─kudos, i was about to say something similar, as a bloody liberal myself. liberals get deeply offended. conservatives tend to just see them dollar signs and go about their day.
[13:08:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03panachocala [464] (Score:2) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:08] <exec> 08└─"... go about their day... " Yup, so long as "their day" already involved opposing gay marriage, protesting abortion clinics, sending chain emails about Obama the anti-christ in Chief, seceding from the Union, etc.
[13:08:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:10] <exec> 08└─You forgot telling people how they can spend their money, [cnn.com] what they can do behind closed doors, [wikipedia.org] what they can put in their bodies [ontheissues.org] in their free time, etc.
[13:08:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:0, Flamebait) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:11] <exec> 08└─The only area where I've run into genuine intolerance is in areas of religion...
[13:08:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03rondon [5167] (Score:1) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:13] <exec> 08└─I don't understand how this is flamebait? I don't agree with all of his assumptions, but his methodology is interesting and his point was made without resorting to slander. In fact, it was barely confrontational. Whoever modded this flamebait, please explain why. I'm genuinely curious. Thank you.
[13:08:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:14] <exec> 08└─I didn't mod it, but it starts off with insults - saying that "the state" is an all encompassing religion for the people he disagrees with. Then the meat of the post is just sophistry - expecting the reader to prove his point for him with the explicit claim that if you don't come to the same conclus...
[13:08:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score:2) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:16] <exec> 08└─Thank you for the C.S.Lewis quote. I may add it to, or replace my sigs with it.
[13:08:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 647 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:18] <exec> 08└─You are hilarious. At worst a right-wing nutjob will come back to work with his AR-15 and kill everyone at the jobsite. Happens pretty damn frequently. Or maybe, bomb a daycare center, or murder a doctor, or kidnap a doctor's kids. The political right is the domain of the violent nutjob. It is proba...
[13:08:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03khedoros [2921] (Score:2) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:19] <exec> 08└─Go to your right-wing conservative, tell them your liberal views. At worst, they'll tell you that you're nuts, and then go about their business.
[13:08:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 2521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:21] <exec> 08└─Should sexist opensource developers have their projects censored or removed? Recently an opensource game release story was removed due to the game developer's open sexism(0) and harrasment(1) of women in tech. A story posted by the editor of the popular Phoronix linux news site about a release of an...
[13:08:22] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03hamsterdan [2829] 02Not a good idea - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 198 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:08:23] <exec> 08└─"NASA's plans for a mission to Europa, another moon of Jupiter with an icy ocean. "I don't know what we are going to find there," he said." Didn't they get the warning to not attempt landings there?
[13:08:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:The Law of Futurology - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:24] <exec> 08└─OK, so we have y − t = 0 and t > r. From that it mathematically follows that r < y. In other words, the length of time that the audience will remember that the prediction was made is always smaller than the approximate number of years left in the life of a futurist. Or in short: Listening to an ag...
[13:08:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:2) 02Re:Really? - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:26] <exec> 08└─Nobody expects large-headed, lanky humanoids with oval-shaped black eyes hiding behind a crater on mars. Until they get probed by them.
[13:08:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Really? - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:28] <exec> 08└─Fortunately there's a simple way to avoid being probed by large-headed, lanky humanoids with oval-shaped black eyes hiding behind a crater on Mars. Simply don't visit Mars. Even if you get probed anyway by large-headed, lanky humanoids with oval-shaped black eyes, at least they cannot hide behind a...
[13:08:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03mrcoolbp [68] (Score:2) 02Re:Really? - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:29] <exec> 08└─I may have gotten a little carried away with that description; I admit, I am tired of seeing "little green men" = ) Did I go overboard with that one?
[13:08:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:2) 02Re:Yah, Right. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:31] <exec> 08└─They could nuke the ice crust. I also remember people were talking about melting through it with a radioactive heat source.
[13:08:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Translation Error [718] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:Yah, Right. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:32] <exec> 08└─"We come in peace!" *BOOM*
[13:08:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:2) 02Re:Yah, Right. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:34] <exec> 08└─According to a documentary I watched [imdb.com], this procedure was tested on earth in 1965. It didn't turn out so well for the people involved... Note to the humor impaired: check out the movie in that link, seriously. It's a great candidate for bad movie night; one of my favorites.
[13:08:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Yah, Right. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:36] <exec> 08└─Finding exoplanet atmospheric evidence of biology would count. Any discovery of microbes would be count. It can happen within 20 years.
[13:08:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03morgauxo [2082] (Score:2) 02Re:Yah, Right. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 1612 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:37] <exec> 08└─"Finding exoplanet atmospheric evidence of biology would count." No it wouldn't. That would just mean they found a ratio of gasses that is normally produced by biology. Or.. maybe gases they can't explain in any natural way, maybe it's pollution from a society of intelligent life. That's the only ev...
[13:08:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:1) 02Re:Yah, Right. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:39] <exec> 08└─Why drill? Wouldn't it be easier to melt downwards?
[13:08:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Stupid Statement. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 1463 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:08:41] <exec> 08└─Coming from a chief NASA scientist, a statement of "belief" like this with a vague timeframe is grossly irresponsible. I'm not saying he's wrong. But if life is discovered, it will be by some kind of NASA (or ESA or other agency) mission. So which missions do you think have a chance of discovering l...
[13:08:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03fishybell [3156] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Stupid Statement. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:42] <exec> 08└─Are there currently planned missions that are being sent to places where you think they can plausibly discover life? If so, what missions? Where are they going? How do you envision they might find them?
[13:08:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02They've already discovered alien life - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:08:44] <exec> 08└─but held off announcing it. They very slowly release the news and technology to avoid panic.
[13:08:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Too late - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 346 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:45] <exec> 08└─Comparing processors of different architectures is misleading. SW-3 is over five years old and heavily based on an Alpha processor. Sticking more Alphas on the die and shrinking will only get you so far. When it comes to supercomputers it is difficult to compare hardware. For example: GTX Titan X [w...
[13:08:46] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03c0lo [156] 02Re:Riiight - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 45 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:47] <exec> 08└─That's a pretty pathetic and useless gesture.
[13:08:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02Re:Riiight - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:49] <exec> 08└─and drug design, nuclear weapons safety, fusion reactor models and design, car design, airplane design, clinical statistics etc... Computers (super or not) are the the engine that turns ideas into things that can be manufactured, for much less physical outlay. The more detail you need, the more math...
[13:08:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Riiight - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:50] <exec> 08└─The more detail you need, the more maths you need, the bigger the computer you need.
[13:08:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"nuclear explosives" - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:52] <exec> 08└─a bussard collector wont work in interstellar space if it needs to collect thorium atoms and you might want to die on this planet .. others don t.
[13:08:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:2) 02Why not just buy AMD? - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:08:54] <exec> 08└─Couldn't they just buy AMD? Otherwise I guess this might just be the thing that will fuel China's desire to make their own chips and CPU then. I do wonder if they will be x86/64 compatible or they'll make something new. As long as they are totally compatible I guess the winner could be the consumer...
[13:08:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03middlemen [504] (Score:2) 02NUDT - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:08:55] <exec> 08└─makes sense to ban the NUDiTy in China...
[13:08:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:NUDT - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:08:57] <exec> 08└─Yeah, ban that godawful hairy stuff.
[13:08:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Chinese and Russian microprocessors - 06Intel Launches New Chips in China as US Bans Sales to Supercomputing Centers - 503 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:08:58] <exec> 08└─Never heard of the ShenWei, looks pretty interesting. Does anyone know if it has use outside of the Chinese HPC sector? JiangSu's Loongson processors leave something to be desired, even the latest hex-core Godson 3B does not fare well performance-wise. See benchmarks: http://openbenchmarking.org
[13:08:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03RedBear [1734] (Score:2) 02Re:snow day - 06Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Data Reveals Belts of Water Ice Glaciers On Mars - 349 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:00] <exec> 08└─"We have calculated that the ice in the glaciers is equivalent to over 150 billion cubic metres of ice – that much ice could cover the entire surface of Mars with 1.1 metres of ice. The ice at the mid-latitudes is therefore an important part of Mars' water reservoir," said Nanna Bjørnholt Karlsso...
[13:09:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdccdevel [1329] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Radiation Shielding - 06Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Data Reveals Belts of Water Ice Glaciers On Mars - 537 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:09:02] <exec> 08└─It seems like under these glaciers would be perfect locations for a human colony. Ice caves could be made quite easily, and would be perfect for protecting any colonists from the martian weather. In addition to being a handy building material, the roof of a ice cave would act as excellent radiation...
[13:09:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:2) 02Re:Radiation Shielding - 06Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Data Reveals Belts of Water Ice Glaciers On Mars - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:03] <exec> 08└─Just came here to say this. Solid blocks of ice would make building a shielded base MUCH easier. It might even make robotic construction of said base easier. If you melt ice on Mars, it should sublimate pretty quickly. So just heating this ice should create a hole that empties itself...
[13:09:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jcross [4009] (Score:2) 02Re:mmm water - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:15] <exec> 08└─Right, I believe the OP was suggesting something similar, i.e. models getting extra hydrated before their official BMI measurement and then taking a diuretic or something to pee it all out.
[13:09:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:mmm water - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:19] <exec> 08└─Let's say that they do drink 2 gallons of water just prior to weighing...
[13:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03triklyn [5169] (Score:1) 02Re:mmm water - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:20] <exec> 08└─it was fun, think i had milk coming out of my nose, and many pretty colors, from the froot loops/candy i had before attempting. we were a right mess, 3-4 guys did it in my hall. the spewing wasn't terrible, if i remember, the following days were horrendous though... lactose intolerance... milk... i...
[13:09:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Better Examples? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 598 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:40] <exec> 08└─Really? What about gay incest, or other situations where the couple really can't have children? What about incestuous relationships where the people involved don't want to have children? In fact, without the incestuous relationship, the babies wouldn't even exist. They are not hurting the baby, as t...
[13:09:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:Why the urge to become alike? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:49] <exec> 08└─Instead of asking, what do *I* want.
[13:09:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaszz [4211] (Score:2) 02Re:Why the urge to become alike? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:51] <exec> 08└─OMG, the monkeys are shunning me! ;-) You have a point. But in many cases one might seriously wonder if it's actually negative thing .. :p
[13:10:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:00] <exec> 08└─It's as discriminating as requiring fire fighters to have two usable arms. The US Marines have minimum standards that must be met in order to join. Exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis for a waiver. However the Marines do not discriminate on looks or appearance (tatoos being the only excep...
[13:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 290 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:02] <exec> 08└─> BMI has zero effect on a model's ability to model. Oh no, it very much does. Currently fashion designers make clothes exclusively for six-foot-tall walking clotheshangers with resting bitchface. If this regulation passes they may start making clothes that actual women would look good in.
[13:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 410 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:04] <exec> 08└─Designers tailor the clothes to the specific model for a perfect fit. Even "six-foot-tall walking clotheshangers" have different bodies. But you are right, they can design the clothes on a mannequin of proportions that few humans match. Then force models to wear it without tailoring it. Then if a mo...
[13:10:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:05] <exec> 08└─BMI has zero effect on a model's ability to model.
[13:10:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 703 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:07] <exec> 08└─If you believe that these employees are being taken advantage of then you don't create a law to fine those employees for 79,000$. Do programmers die of no sleep and too much caffeine because their bosses overwork them? Maybe. Many bosses love workaholics. Who do you blame in that scenario? Obviously...
[13:10:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:08] <exec> 08└─Maybe this is no different, i'd have to think about it more
[13:10:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:10] <exec> 08└─Do programmers die of no sleep and too much caffeine because their bosses overwork them? Maybe. Many bosses love workaholics. Who do you blame in that scenario?
[13:10:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:12] <exec> 08└─Because certain people are better at doing the job than others, and if you're incapable of doing the job because of some physical conditions, of course they're not going to hire you. Super-skinny models are not incapable of doing the job or bad at it by any means.
[13:10:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:13] <exec> 08└─Super-skinny models are not incapable of doing the job or bad at it by any means.
[13:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:15] <exec> 08└─That's their choice and no one else's. Likewise, the drug war is also 100% intolerable. Also, some people are naturally super-skinny even if they don't necessarily want to be. Are they not allowed to model?
[13:10:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:17] <exec> 08└─That's their choice and no one else's. Likewise, the drug war is also 100% intolerable.
[13:10:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:18] <exec> 08└─Yes, but their employer encourages them to do so. Even more, as someone else noted, it is not the one that encourages them/exploits their unhealthy life style to be punished.
[13:10:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:20] <exec> 08└─Do you force companies to hire/keep people who aren't attractive (as defined by the audience)? I don't think that will work in this case, given all the subjectivity involved, if I understand this issue correctly.
[13:10:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:21] <exec> 08└─If you let this gate open, where do you stop?
[13:10:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:23] <exec> 08└─I don't think that employers should force them to be unhealthy, but I'm not sure what the solution would be if that is what sells.
[13:10:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:25] <exec> 08└─S'not my logic, I didn't come up with the retarded idea of banning images of hawt gurls. ;)
[13:10:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:26] <exec> 08└─It's not killing anyone; they're choosing to kill themselves, if anything. But of course, blaming things other than the one who chose to take a certain course of action is popular; violent media, comic books, and other things like rock-and-roll music have all been blamed for the actions of certain p...
[13:10:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 1060 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:28] <exec> 08└─Please read what I actually wrote - I understand the jump to conclusions here, this does on the surface appear to be a Columbine-style "Blame Marilyn bleargh!" moral panic, but this is a very different situation. The pro-ana movement seem to rather enjoy sharing and collecting pics of extremely skin...
[13:10:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:29] <exec> 08└─Agreed. But the pendulum needs to swing both ways. The online "fat acceptance" movement is promoting a lifestyle based around a mental illness and it's killing people through diabetes and heart disease.
[13:10:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 729 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:31] <exec> 08└─*Nods* Sounds perfectly legit to me. Then again, the French have been distinctly crap when it comes to freedom of expression recently. It was perfectly legal for Charlie Hebdo to publish cartoons considered offensive by many (not all) Muslims, but then Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala gets slapped with $32k...
[13:10:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03cwadge [3324] (Score:1) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 948 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:33] <exec> 08└─Yeah, those pro-anorexia folks can be a real bitch. They came to my door this morning handing out leaflets and wouldn't take no for an answer. Until now I'd simply eaten until I was satisfied, but now I've got to subsist on nothing but a single peeled carrot and two Tic Tacs per day. If only the SJW...
[13:10:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03wantkitteh [3362] (Score:2) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 1309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:34] <exec> 08└─lol, I can almost imagine that... "Excuse me, sorry to bother you, we're here to talk to you about maybe donating to your local food bank? We were thinking, like, every scrap of food in the house except that lettuce? Would you like a free copy of French Vogue?" Saying pro-ana doesn't exist is just s...
[13:10:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03cwadge [3324] (Score:1) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 1188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:36] <exec> 08└─Yeah, starving yourself or gorging more calories than you can use are both unhealthy. I don't think anybody is contesting that. Personally, my ideal body type is whatever weight looks healthy on a given frame. Some ladies just look right to me, being quite thin, others are built a little on the curv...
[13:10:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:37] <exec> 08└─Which means that any models that are particularly short are now unemployable, ...
[13:10:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Discrimination? - 06French Consider Law Banning "Super-skinny" Models - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:39] <exec> 08└─"Naturally" low BMI is not a problem. The numbers being discussed are classified by the World Health Organisation as crisis-level malnutrition. They are not discriminating against thin models - they are regulating an industry that damaging their health. Those same models will be working just without...
[13:10:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:GMeet - 06CNET Update: Apple Watch, Skype Translator, and Google's GMeet - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:44] <exec> 08└─You can bet that one or both of Google Hangouts and GMeet will go join their brethren Google Reader, Google Wave, and Google Code in a better place.
[13:11:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"systemic and widespread" - horse pucky - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:06] <exec> 08└─sky is blue, clouds are grey.
[13:11:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:"systemic and widespread" - horse pucky - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:13] <exec> 08└─And yet, that's exactly what they do. [cbsnews.com]
[13:11:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:"systemic and widespread" - horse pucky - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:14] <exec> 08└─and here i thought debtors prisons [wikipedia.org] were abolished more than a century ago.
[13:11:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03RobC207 [3408] (Score:1) 02Re:Chicken Little FTW!!! - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:18] <exec> 08└─Oh! that's an easy one. "They" reached for my weapon.
[13:11:22] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] 02Re:"systemic and widespread" - horse pucky - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 474 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:23] <exec> 08└─Until the cop is actually convicted and put in jail he has "gotten away with it". I've seen the video. If it had been anyone other than a cop pulling the trigger the local DA would be all over the news saying he was going to seek the death penalty, if the shooter wasn't already dead in a hail of pol...
[13:11:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:"systemic and widespread" - horse pucky - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 752 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:30] <exec> 08└─The footage released so far was from a private citizen that sent it the family's lawyer, the press, and maybe the investigating department. Note: The shooting was investigated by a DIFFERENT police department which is the standard now in the US. The Dash cam footage also caught the shooting. But tha...
[13:11:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"systemic and widespread" - horse pucky - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:35] <exec> 08└─most of their fellow thugs in blue will step up to defend them, making them almost as bad.
[13:11:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03el_oscuro [1711] (Score:2) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:42] <exec> 08└─When I was a kid in LA in the 70's and 80's, we use to her about police brutality all the time. Rodney King was a few years after video camcorders became common, so it was just the first time they got caught on video. Also, every night on the news, Compton was always in the headlines. When someone t...
[13:11:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:44] <exec> 08└─I remember Rodney King. He's that upstanding sober choir boy who was out on a slow Sunday drive who respectively and obediently pulled over and answered the police questions. It was really sad. He wasn't doing ANYTHING that warranted pulling him over.
[13:11:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 606 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:48] <exec> 08└─That takes preparation. Regular people don't go around expecting to film am episode of violence and perfidy. They just happen to be at the right place at the right time with a phone that happens to also be a camera. Most of these people probably have cell phones with data plans that would make live-...
[13:11:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 535 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:50] <exec> 08└─I've actually tried that, and even on LTE, it takes a long time to upload a video. I suspect its much safer to have several people with cameras. I also noted in one of the first frames, you can clearly see the wires of a spent tazer dangling from the cops arms. There might be some truth in the cops...
[13:11:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK-421 [3235] (Score:2) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 1353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:58] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't go as far as to label it a beat down but I fully admit that I did a piss poor job of editing what started as two different thoughts. As I read the article from TFS I got the impression that the reader was supposed to believe that picking up a recoding device is the best thing you can do f...
[13:11:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:00] <exec> 08└─The thing is no one was even talking about filming non-cops. You brought that into the discussion all on your own and it sure looks like the reason you did it was to water down the point of TFA.
[13:12:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:02] <exec> 08└─He took on some serious risk doing what he did but he did it anyway because he felt he was the only one in the position to affect a change.
[13:12:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03drgibbon [74] (Score:1) 02Re:Lavendar pill - 06The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record' - 451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:03] <exec> 08└─I agree that it's ugly if people think the best they can do is record situations in all cases of some injustice occurring, even when they have the capacity to intervene (and especially when a whole group does nothing). But it doesn't apply to a guy filming a cop murdering someone although of course...
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[14:01:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Everything is Crap, always - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 371 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:01:59] <exec> 08└─If your comment is right, then also your comment is crap (because it says everything is crap, and if your comment weren't crap, not everything would be crap). But if your comment is crap, your comment is wrong (because otherwise it would not be crap). This is a contradiction, therefore the assumptio...
[14:01:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Everything is Crap, always - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:00] <exec> 08└─I know I am, and so are you! :-P
[14:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:02] <exec> 08└─Maybe a way to at least reduce that effect is to give every reviewer an "agreement score" based on how well for articles both you and that reviewer scored, your scores agree. For calculating averages, the individual results would then be weighted by the corresponding agreement score. Sure, this coul...
[14:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:04] <exec> 08└─This only works for people who do a lot of reviews. I basically only write a review when something is terrible, or it's awesome in a linux/arduino way when that information is hard or impossible to find. For the vast majority of things I buy, I don't write a review.
[14:02:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:06] <exec> 08└─It's still better than trusting advertisements. Amazon has every right to sue, and a strong enough disincentive for abuse(delisting for seller, lawsuits for third parties) will, by your own logic, reduce abuse. Not eliminate, but change the supply and demand variables.
[14:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Interesting bunch of laws to charge them with. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:07] <exec> 08└─What about simple fraud? There's no need for a law that specifies "he broke the law with a COMPUTER!" Simple fraud laws cover this nonsense. I'm being paid to publish fake reviews, to mislead the public? FRAUD!!! Tack on wire fraud, that gets people really excited. No need to mention computers, or c...
[14:02:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03rondon [5167] (Score:1) 02Amazon does this too - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:09] <exec> 08└─If I'm not mistaken, Amazon runs a program* where select people get free stuff to create reviews, much as the "defendants" claim that they are doing. Is this Amazon trying to clean up their reviews, or trying to squash a competing service. *To the best of my knowledge, these reviews are flagged in s...
[14:02:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02False summary - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 731 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:10] <exec> 08└─Posting AC, sorry, I usually lurk. A quick visit to the website in question reveals a snippet that reads: "A purchase of your product is not required for us to post a review. If you would like a verified purchase review however we can buy your product first. If the cost is $2.00 or less we will cove...
[14:02:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Can I Use It the other way? - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:12] <exec> 08└─So will these guys post bad reviews for a fee?
[14:02:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:41] <exec> 08└─Which gets back to my point. If you want to build a custom dedicated physical network to guarantee this, then fine - go nuts. If you're using a shared network (like, for instance, the internet) which has routes that go many places, some of which are outside your desired geographic boundary, it's dif...
[14:03:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:47] <exec> 08└─A USB stick isn't a piece of hardware the OS is running on. The hardware shouldn't be fixed in time, that is the point. The software should be adaptable enough to recognize that ram, processors, and storage being added and removed from the system. You should be able to bisect the bus and the system...
[14:04:14] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03NotSanguine [285] 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 309 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:14] <exec> 08└─Every new observation that suggests conditions favorable for life are more common than previously believed is bad news for humanity. If life is everywhere why haven't we detected any extraterrestrial intelligence? Surely there ought to be many civilizations which got a few million years of a headsta...
[14:04:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK [2760] (Score:2) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 418 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:19] <exec> 08└─One of my favorite activities is trying to break the simulation. I heard that if you combine yttrium, barium, copper and oxygen with liquid nitrogen, you can really fuck with their crappy, oversimplified E&M subroutines. Now that's just lazy coding. If you think that's weird, we're in version 1.12.5...
[14:05:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lots of easy evolution - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:19] <exec> 08└─That adds a few bits to the complexity, you now have to master a thousand more opening "moves". Of course, computers have a lot more free time to master these, and will quickly become dominant.
[14:05:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02odds are that perfect play leads to a draw - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 1473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:25] <exec> 08└─As we get better, draws should become more common. The other 2 possibilities, which seem highly unlikely, are that white has a forced win, or even more unlikely that black has a forced win. This type of game, with complete knowledge, no luck, and turn based play, with perfect play could always end i...
[14:07:00] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03bradley13 [3053] 02PC liberals dislike diversity - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 1568 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:00] <exec> 08└─There is a huge element of truth to this article. I didn't experience this in California, but it's no different in places like Austin or Boston. It can be an interesting experiment: start a conversation with someone - of whatever viewpoint - and let them assume that you share their views. Gradually...
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[15:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02good to see so many promising directions lately - 06CAR T-Cells: Using Your Immune System to Cure Your Cancer - 488 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:01:46] <exec> 08└─Very cool! It is great to see so much promise for treating non-solid tumors. Hopefully some make it out of the lab. And, hopefully some of what is being learned is applicable to solid tumors as well. Having been through a couple years of chemo myself, I now realize that cancer treatment hasn't reall...
[15:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 1320 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:01] <exec> 08└─My general rule when there's money involved is to trust as few people/organizations as possible. - Advertisements? Who would even remotely consider trusting them? Their job is to BS people. - Online reviews? Can be completely gamed by paid reviews or even just reviews by friends or relatives of what...
[15:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:02] <exec> 08└─And then, after all that work, you still get screwed over. That's partially just how life is.
[15:02:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Re:Interesting bunch of laws to charge them with. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 1785 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:05] <exec> 08└─You're assuming fraud is provable, which implies knowing intent to deceive. Let's say I'm running this service. Here's how I spin it. I note that a lot of products (especially new ones or niche products) don't have reviews. I offer a service to review products and post the outcome of those reviews o...
[15:02:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Amazon does this too - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:07] <exec> 08└─Amazon and other sites have a "verified purchaser" label for reviews that meet the qualifications, so that's what that is about. The "buy reviews" site most likely had no intention of actually reading the book.
[15:02:35] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MrGuy [1007] 02A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 401 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:35] <exec> 08└─Unless they create a separate, private network with its own cables, routers, etc., I don't see how this is technically possible to guarantee. TCP/IP networks are designed to route around damaged or congested segments by sending traffic via other routes. And since most ISP's are national or larger in...
[15:02:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02So if the opposition leader travels to LA - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:45] <exec> 08└─He can be arrested for sending emails on his laptop in clear violation of statute. Of course, when your folks do the same then that's something to be looked into, the investigation is ongoing (and always will be).
[15:02:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03fliptop [1666] (Score:2) 02If implemented, shouldn't be hard to vandalize - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:47] <exec> 08└─You'd just need to know where to dig [soylentnews.org].
[15:02:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03mrcoolbp [68] (Score:2) 02Re:Editor ahoooooy! - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:58] <exec> 08└─Yes this was my mistake, and not the parent. It's been fixed.
[15:03:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03number11 [1170] (Score:1) 02Re:The price seems right - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:03:17] <exec> 08└─The cost quoted is 600,000 Rupees, or about $9,600 (USD) per drone.
[15:03:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Maddox is right again - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:03:22] <exec> 08└─> (and if anyone is curious, look for a movie titled "Bandit Queen". She does Boadicea proud.) Same director went on to do Elizabeth with Cate Blanchett and Richard Attenborough.
[15:04:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb as rock - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:04:04] <exec> 08└─i think you're more on the spot than others. the problem is that there isn't enough financial incentive for a company to make a product that will last for a hundred years. what can you buy today that will last that long? a house (maybe), a gun, i can't think of anything else. Example: XP could last...
[15:04:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03GeminiDomino [661] (Score:2) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:04:46] <exec> 08└─Are there any upsides to marriage for men? Yes.
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[16:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:03] <exec> 08└─A simple approach - though far from perfect - is to limit reviewers to only those individuals who are confirmed purchasers of that product from that source (in this case Amazon). If they return the item their review goes away. Plus, no reviews for a minimum number of days after purchase (to avoid th...
[16:03:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Anti-drone systems? - 06India Has Pepper Spray Drones for Riot-Control - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:03:29] <exec> 08└─Kites, helium balloons with tethers. Try flying a drone through that.
[16:03:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02The DoD wants "Hundred Year Software"? - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:03:41] <exec> 08└─Is this in the service of maintaining the USA as a "glorious, thousand-year reich"? There are so many kinds of wrong in technology, politics and general mental-health. It's hard to know from which angle this deserves the greatest criticism.
[16:04:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I left a few complex organic molecules of my ow - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:04:23] <exec> 08└─I didn't know that in Atacama, they have large millimeters. I always thought millimeters are the same length throughout the world. :-)
[16:04:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:04:33] <exec> 08└─Not really. I'm pretty sure we'll not manage to kill off all the bacteria on the planet. Kill all plants and algae? No problem, then anaerobic bacteria will take over. And I'm absolutely sure that we are not able to destroy the planet itself. Even detonating all nuclear bombs at the same time would...
[16:04:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:04:34] <exec> 08└─Oh, it can be done, but it ain't easy. Oblig Mundicide link: http://qntm.org [qntm.org]
[16:05:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03arulatas [3600] (Score:1) 02Re:Unparticle Man, Unparticle Man - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:05:50] <exec> 08└─Is that something like the past present participle?
[16:07:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03GeminiDomino [661] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 303 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:07:14] <exec> 08└─Because politics is fundamentally different from every other topic matter how? I think the reason talking about politics (and religion) has historically been taboo is because people internally know that their opinions are not grounded on as firm a base as they would like, but don't want that found o...
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[17:02:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 367 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:20] <exec> 08└─And the difference between this and Amazon Vine is....what exactly? They can sue all they want because all they have to do is point out that Amazon does this them selves through their Vine program. Do you think if amazon was giving ME free shit I wouldn't be more likely to post glowing reviews? The...
[17:02:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Daiv [3940] (Score:2) 02Re:Amazon does this too - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:26] <exec> 08└─OP is talking about Amazon Vine, where Amazon customers are sent free products with the expectation that receiving them for free will improve their perception of the item and they will leave positive reviews. http://www.amazon.com [amazon.com]
[17:02:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02No need to sue to fix the problem - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:02:29] <exec> 08└─Amazon has to take the route that you can't review a product until you have paid the bill for your purchase. This could unlock the Review function. If you ship the product back within a certain period of time, your review is purged, or flagged. Technological solution to the problem.
[17:02:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Daiv [3940] (Score:2) 02Re:No need to sue to fix the problem - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:31] <exec> 08└─For an inflated fee, these same reviewers will leave "Verified purchase" reviews, negating your technological solution.
[17:02:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:3, Insightful) 02What's that saying of Dr. House's again? - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:02:33] <exec> 08└─“We are not selling fake reviews. however we do provide Unbiased and Honest reviews on all the products,” Collins wrote. “And this is not illegal at all.” "Unbiased and Honest". Where have I heard that before? Oh right--"Fair and Balanced." Methinks they doth protest too much. Don't you just...
[17:02:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Coincidence? or tinfoil hat? - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 1096 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:02:47] <exec> 08└─US nuclear fears block Intel China supercomputer update - http://www.bbc.com [bbc.com] The US Aurora computer is trying to take the TOP500 top rating away from the Chinese Tianhe-2 (or followon). Intel takes the export restriction in the shorts, oh wait, saved by a new contr...
[17:03:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:03:06] <exec> 08└─I don't see how this is technically possible to guarantee.
[17:04:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:BSD - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 187 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:04:14] <exec> 08└─Having a solid high tech infrastructure that can be repaired and perhaps scaled with the hardware tech of the day would be a boon across the board for the entire baseline of civilization.
[17:05:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:05:22] <exec> 08└─Why is it acceptable under the Equal Protection clause that the male partner is responsible for the lifestyle maintenance of the female partner after the partnership is over?
[17:05:27] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03hemocyanin [186] 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 403 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:05:27] <exec> 08└─Sorry, you are not correct. Service by publication is used for many situations when personal service is not possible on a known person for some reason. The rules differ by state, but here is the statute for Washington: http://apps.leg.wa.gov [wa.gov] You'll notice that...
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[18:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03legont [4179] (Score:1) 02Gutenberg - 06Distributed Proofreaders: Preserving History One Page at a Time - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:02:01] <exec> 08└─There is already very good Project Gutenberg with 46,000 books available. https://www.gutenberg.org [gutenberg.org]
[18:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Gutenberg - 06Distributed Proofreaders: Preserving History One Page at a Time - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:02] <exec> 08└─Many of which have been contributed by the Distributed Proofreaders project. That's where the books go after they've been proofread.
[18:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Gutenberg - 06Distributed Proofreaders: Preserving History One Page at a Time - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:04] <exec> 08└─Do books go to Valhalla if the proofreaders/OCR don't make it in time?
[18:02:23] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MrGuy [1007] 02Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 421 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:02:23] <exec> 08└─This is a fundamental issue with crowdsourced recommendations. If buyers trust them, they create a financial incentive for sellers to improve their scores. And as long as that incentive exists, someone out there will gladly fill the market niche and provide good review scores for money. The problem...
[18:02:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 679 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:31] <exec> 08└─Usually I read the one star reviews first, just to see what exactly people are complaining about. Now, often the one star reviews are because the moron who purchased the product is simply trying to use it for the wrong purpose, but sometimes they point out specific flaws or limitations. I'll work my...
[18:02:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Interesting bunch of laws to charge them with. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 523 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:35] <exec> 08└─I don't think Amazon would even have standing for a fraud case. People who buy a product based on a false review would be the ones that were defrauded. Fraud [thefreedictionary.com] A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegation...
[18:02:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:The Knights that say Phi - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:55] <exec> 08└─I have linux on my desktop. This must be the year of linux on the desktop : )
[18:03:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03fadrian [3194] (Score:2) 02Re:I don't understand... - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:03:00] <exec> 08└─Yes, the world is a crappy place. As such, we should try to make it less crappy. However, we should, as a general principal, do our best to not make it crappier in the process of making it a less crappy place. In addition, we should also attempt to minimize the crap we must spew in the process. Beca...
[18:03:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Drinking their Own Kool-Aid - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:03:26] <exec> 08└─Those guys have really taken that old advertising slogan to heart: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!"
[18:03:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Physical security is a part of security - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:03:27] <exec> 08└─But can they afford it? Probably, a significant (~45% *) of Nevada government is paid for by, and supports gambling, and they are keen on security. * http://nevadaresorts.org [nevadaresorts.org] - if you trust them.
[18:04:46] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03tibman [134] 02Multics - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 555 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:04:46] <exec> 08└─Sounds like Multics is excellent at live hardware changes. At the MIT system, where most early software development was done, it was common practice to split the multiprocessor system into two separate systems during off-hours by incrementally removing enough components to form a second working syst...
[18:05:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Great Filter - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:05:16] <exec> 08└─I get the joke, but I hope you realize that's nowhere near an argument. I run simulations of fluid dynamics for a living, and the model I'm looking at is perfectly happy with its infinite sound speed (it's an incompressible fluid, so the sound speed is infinite).
[18:06:52] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MrGuy [1007] 02This is not a data breech. - 06FCC Agrees to US$25 Million Fine over Data Breaches - 427 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:06:52] <exec> 08└─A data breech is when someone from the outside penetrates and steals data. This is data theft - employees with access to data used that access to steal the data. Target and Home Depot had weak security that outsiders were able to exploit. That feels different to me from AT&T's employees (and/or cont...
[18:09:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Really? - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:17] <exec> 08└─I actually enjoyed that description. An I'm sure the large-headed, lanky humanoids with oval-shaped brown eyes hiding behind a crater on Mars are not too upset that you've got their eye colour slightly wrong. ;-)
[18:09:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:Yah, Right. - 06NASA: Discovery of Alien Life Could Be 10-20 Years Away - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:26] <exec> 08└─Why drill? Wouldn't it be easier to melt downwards?
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[19:01:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02This is working as intended - 06Intel Core M Speeds Highly Variable between OEMs - 759 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:01:46] <exec> 08└─It seems that all this demonstrates is that some vendors are able to create a package that works better than others. There is no guarantee the performance should be the same between vendors. Even between models between vendors. This is why there is benchmarking and reviews. I recall how the Pentium...
[19:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03black6host [3827] (Score:2) 02OEMs are happy, so is Intel - 06Intel Core M Speeds Highly Variable between OEMs - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:01:47] <exec> 08└─Hey, Intel came up with a way to allow OEMs to even further differentiate their offerings. I'm sure all those parties are happy. Caveat emptor for the rest of us.
[19:01:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score:1) 02Re:Gutenberg - 06Distributed Proofreaders: Preserving History One Page at a Time - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:01:57] <exec> 08└─I can't believe this info wasn't put in the summary. I've rarely ever heard DP mentioned except as a source for Gutenberg.
[19:02:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Where is everyone? - 06CAR T-Cells: Using Your Immune System to Cure Your Cancer - 232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:02:05] <exec> 08└─This looks like a pretty big medical science story. Personalized gene therapy that successfully treated 24 out of 27, for a hard-to-treat rapid mortality disease? Shouldn't it be on top medical journals? And no comments from anyone?
[19:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe [2583] (Score:3, Informative) 02Not Cancer Specific - 06CAR T-Cells: Using Your Immune System to Cure Your Cancer - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:02:07] <exec> 08└─The therapy isn't cancer specific - it will kill all B cells, which is a good trade-off if you are dying from a B cell-derived cancer. The chimeric antigen receptor specifically recognizes the B cell co-receptor, CD19, which is present on all B cells (excluding plasma cells). The CAR T cells will al...
[19:02:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Sue all you want. - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:02:26] <exec> 08└─But the alternative is certainly worse: astroturfing tries to use the people you know to deliver favorable reviews. So which would you prefer, a bunch of mercenary stranger shills on an internet site, or your friend making money giving you advice? "One of these things is not like the other, one of...
[19:02:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03joshuajon [807] (Score:2) 02Re:No need to sue to fix the problem - 06Amazon Sues to Block Alleged Fake Reviews - 281 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:02:37] <exec> 08└─I've seen this idea of purging reviews on returns twice in this thread (posted AC). Wouldn't that effectively eliminate a great many negative reviews? If I buy a product only to find out it's a total lemon, you better believe I want to return it, and post a 1 star verified review!
[19:03:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK-421 [3235] (Score:2) 02Re:Encrypted VPN? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:09] <exec> 08└─If they had bothered to read anything Snowden leaked [arstechnica.net]...yes...yes they should.
[19:03:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:17] <exec> 08└─Oh, ye that doeth not work in government. It's trivial: You write it as a requirement in a contract.
[19:03:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Corrupt packets - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:20] <exec> 08└─When did government corruption become so obvious.
[19:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03TK-421 [3235] (Score:2) 02Am I the only one who... - 0621-Year-Old Video Found of Douglas Adams Playing with Pink Floyd - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:03:46] <exec> 08└─...at first, thought Dave was using the black strat [wikipedia.org] before realizing the date of the recording precluded it?
[19:04:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Back We Go To 1978... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:04:53] <exec> 08└─That's not a bad answer, but it needs a bit of generalization. ANY virtualized environment can last as long as people are willing to keep it running. The p-system may have the longest history, but that's also true for the java environment. If you pick a version and freeze it, it can easily be ported...
[19:04:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Uhhh - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:04:56] <exec> 08└─Open source (open specification systems and programming languages) and plaintext, what more do you need? Architecture-wise, we aren't moving beyond 64-bit either, which IIRC has more than enough address space to address every single particle in the universe.
[19:04:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Uhhh - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:04:57] <exec> 08└─The number of particles in the universe is about 1082 [answers.com] while the number of addresses in a 64-bit machine is 264 ≈ 1.8×1019 — that's quite a bit smaller. Indeed, it wouldn't even be enough to address each star individually. Even the IPv6 address space (128 bits) isn't sufficient to...
[19:04:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Uhhh - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:04:59] <exec> 08└─Err ... I forgot the prefactor; it's indeed almost 8000 addresses per star.
[19:05:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Great Filter made worse - 06Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star - 1424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:05:23] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure that's what I mean. The Network Effect is a quantitative effect as far as I understand it, but e.g. the example of the earthworms is more a qualitative effect: generations of earthworms create an emergent property of smooth soil; the one-shot invention of writing creates the spread of t...
[19:05:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03danmars [3662] (Score:2) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 703 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:05:41] <exec> 08└─Read my previous link - Alimony goes both ways, if your wife ends up making a lot of money. There are definitely tax benefits - My girlfriend and I live together and only I work at this time - if we got married, we'd have significantly less money taken away in taxes. Inheritance differences, of cour...
[19:06:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Public FTP alternative - 06GitHub Announcing Git Large File Storage - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:06:05] <exec> 08└─Sounds nice, but is there a size limit? Can I just start using GitHub as a file host now? Actually, does GitHub have a size limit? On a different note, what's the difference between Git LFS and git-annex, which is also designed to do Git with large files?
[19:06:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Analysis of Go - 06A Data-Driven Exploration of the Evolution Of Chess - 238 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:06:33] <exec> 08└─I would be more interested in an analysis of Go, as it is the "king" of all combinatorial games. It's also much less affected by standardized openings or moves (although I'm only a casual Go player at best, so I can't say with certainty).
[19:07:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:Unprofessional? - 06The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:07:52] <exec> 08└─In my experience you can rarely cash in for more than 50% of their value, so if I cash out I'm basically exchanging a day of pay without work for a half-day of extra pay. I budget myself better than to need to take a deal like that, thanks.
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[20:02:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe [2583] (Score:2) 02Re:good to see so many promising directions lately - 06CAR T-Cells: Using Your Immune System to Cure Your Cancer - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:17] <exec> 08└─The science will get there. T cells already have the capability to infiltrate tumors, which can be good or bad depending on the context. Oncolytic viruses (viruses that preferentially replicate in cancer cells) seem to be better for solid tumors, so that is a technology to keep an eye on. - Joe http...
[20:02:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe [2583] (Score:2) 02Re:Where is everyone? - 06CAR T-Cells: Using Your Immune System to Cure Your Cancer - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:19] <exec> 08└─The treatments are personalized (patient-derived T cells), but the gene therapy isn't (the chimeric receptor is all the same). Isn't New England Journal of Medicine a top journal? Also, earlier studies (out of Dr. Carl June's lab) were published in Science. - Joe
[20:03:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I don't understand... - 062018 Aurora Supercomputer to Reach 180 Petaflops - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:03:11] <exec> 08└─I've recently been hired into this team, and you better believe my first damn question in the interview was whether this thing will be used for science or used for weapons/spying/other abuses.
[20:03:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:So if the opposition leader travels to LA - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:03:39] <exec> 08└─Anybody who willingly goes to L.A. for any reason deserves worse than to merely be arrested.
[20:05:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Won’t happen... - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:05:15] <exec> 08└─This will never happen. Money has to be involved somehow.
[20:07:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03marcello_dl [2685] (Score:2) 02Re:Dark matter? - 06Unparticles may be Key to Superconductivity, Scientists Say - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:07:00] <exec> 08└─Yes, apparently it's difficult to formalize models of the universe. Once you do that, you still have no proof that the model is correct. It's akin to prove theorems by accumulating examples, very useful in the real world but not a real proof. Besides, our examples still need a lot of work. OT to the...
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[21:01:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03AnonTechie [2275] (Score:2) 02Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:01:50] <exec> 08└─Shows evolution is alive and well. What should we expect next ?
[21:01:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 348 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:51] <exec> 08└─The bell curve issue to come up again. Why is it that people of different ethnicity, factoring for education on a culture neutral test battery, have different mean IQ numbers? Along with the usual stuff about IQ being meaningless, the wonderlic not actually being culture neutral, that intelligence d...
[21:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03shortscreen [2252] (Score:3, Touché) 02controlling heat is hard - 06Intel Core M Speeds Highly Variable between OEMs - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:01] <exec> 08└─Intel would love to sell you an expensive, high-perf, multicore CPU, but it needs a certain cooling apparatus. Whereas OEMs are too cheap to install adequate cooling, or maybe they would just like to go along with the latest fad of making devices that are so thin they can't even contain an ethernet...
[21:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:controlling heat is hard - 06Intel Core M Speeds Highly Variable between OEMs - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:03] <exec> 08└─1GHz should be enough for anyone.
[21:02:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03gringer [962] (Score:2) 02Re:Where is everyone? - 06CAR T-Cells: Using Your Immune System to Cure Your Cancer - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:25] <exec> 08└─Shouldn't it be on top medical journals?
[21:04:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02!Deleted - 06DARPA Seeks Software Systems That Can Last 100 Years - 538 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:04:45] <exec> 08└─You're talking about completely different layers. Torvalds and associates build the kernel. Other folks build other layers consisting of many distros [without-systemd.org] and desktop environments[1] [wikipedia.org]--many of those having routed around the damage that is systemd. Development of alter...
[21:06:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bacon Bits [5203] (Score:1) 02Re:One reason more - 06Judge Rules It's OK to Serve Divorce Papers over Facebook - 1485 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:02] <exec> 08└─That's an extremely naive outlook. When you're married, there's often a choice about where to live, how to raise children, etc. and since the choices are made as a unit, usually benefiting one partner's career to the detriment of another's. Now, the way careers work, the longer you're in one, the hi...
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[22:02:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:10] <exec> 08└─This has nothing to do with race or ethnicity and everything to do with dick size. Taller men have bigger dicks, and bigger dicks make women not only orgasm but stay. Orgasm physiologically increases the odds of female pregnancy while the female's pleasure ensures that she will stay around to reprod...
[22:02:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03SlimmPickens [1056] (Score:2) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:11] <exec> 08└─Yep, it's dicks all the way down!
[22:02:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:2) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 376 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:13] <exec> 08└─The ruling classes in Western Europe are certainly trying to destroy any semblance of national ethnicity among the native population. Since most European features (at least hair and eye color) are recessive, this means immigration is the recessive genocide. I've read elsewhere that women prefer thic...
[22:02:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Blacks in the USA - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 573 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:14] <exec> 08└─Natural selection explains blacks in the USA. For 350 years, they were bred to be strong and muscular for field labor. The ones who were smart and resisted were killed while their obedient cousins stayed around to breed and replenish the next generation. Eventually, the large majority of the populat...
[22:02:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blacks in the USA - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:16] <exec> 08└─Natural selection explains blacks in the USA. For 350 years, they were bred to be strong and muscular for field labor.
[22:02:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:18] <exec> 08└─Dutch excessive height is an evolutionary hybrid: HUMAN crossed with "DUCK".
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[23:02:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:20] <exec> 08└─I've read elsewhere that women prefer thicker penises for one-night-stands and longer, thinner ones for relationships.
[23:02:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:21] <exec> 08└─Okay what the hell. This clearly racist statement is modded informative while other evidence based posts are modded flamebait. Has soylent turned to slashdot so quickly?
[23:02:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:23] <exec> 08└─No, this statement isn't racist. I'm not making any claim over the race-based differences in penis size. Rather, I was saying that the GP's non-sequitor about penis size directly after equating of race-mixing to genocide suggests that he has some deep-seated fears about black penises.
[23:02:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 373 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:27] <exec> 08└─Interesting that I was modded flamebait. Why is it that height differences are okay to talk about but IQ is taboo to even acknowledge? I made no specific claims save for that there is evidence of difference in IQ, just as there is evidence for difference in height and I listed some of the counterarg...
[23:02:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Evolution ... - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:29] <exec> 08└─Dutch excessive height is an evolutionary hybrid: HUMAN crossed with "DUCK".
[23:02:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:4, Informative) 02Too many racist fuckers - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 1382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:30] <exec> 08└─Look at this comment section. Just look at it. The unbridled glee at willfully misunderstanding a single study to support long out-dated racist preconceived notions. Fuck, Ethanol-Fueled is here to randomly blame things on "The Jews". It gets me how fucked up people on the internet are. Hey fuckers,...
[23:02:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Too many racist fuckers - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:32] <exec> 08└─Yeah, Jesus Christ. IQ differences between countries can be easily explained by the Flynn effect (although the workings behind this aren't well known). Africa has lower IQs than elsewhere. However, the average IQ in Ethiopia is about that of Britain in the 1940s. With further development, there's no...
[23:02:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Too many racist fuckers - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:33] <exec> 08└─Except people of African decent, when born in the UK with a UK education still do not "catch up" as you say. Other groups have a higher IQ than the overall median with the same opportunities. Something is at work here and it would be wrong to ignore it.
[23:02:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Re:Too many racist fuckers - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:35] <exec> 08└─The most hateful person on this site is you. Just read what you wrote. You should be ashamed of yourself. Even your citations are wrong. An example: you state that genetics only account for 20% of variation. The paper you linked to says 56%. Not only did you get the number wrong, you used it as absu...
[23:02:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jeremiah Cornelius [2785] (Score:2) 02Re:Too many racist fuckers - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:37] <exec> 08└─IQ questions in Weschler and Stanford Binet are sociologically, economically and culturally biased. Speaking as a tested 140 + Weschler score.
[23:02:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:1) 02Probably Sexual Selection - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:38] <exec> 08└─Unless there's a large population of wild bears roaming the Netherlands that prefer to eat short people, I think that sexual selection pressure is likely behind the increasing height of the Dutch rather than natural selection. In many (probably most) cultures, women show a preference for taller men...
[23:02:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:1) 02dairy products - 06Natural Selection May Help Account for Dutch Height Advantage - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:40] <exec> 08└─Years ago we were told that our tallness was due to residual growth hormones in all the dairy products we were fed excessively.
[23:02:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is working as intended - 06Intel Core M Speeds Highly Variable between OEMs - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:44] <exec> 08└─agree If your Core-M is near 3 W, it will have less performance. If it is near 6 W, you will have a hot lap.
[23:04:19] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MrGuy [1007] 02Re:A technical impossibility? - 06Nevada Bill Would Require All Government Communications to Stay in Nevada - 717 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:19] <exec> 08└─Which gets back to my point. If you want to build a custom dedicated physical network to guarantee this, then fine - go nuts. If you're using a shared network (like, for instance, the internet) which has routes that go many places, some of which are outside your desired geographic boundary, it's dif...
[23:07:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Public FTP alternative - 06GitHub Announcing Git Large File Storage - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:13] <exec> 08└─Like they've done with git, I think they may have just figured out a nice way to wrap git-annex. The only way to know for sure is when they actually implement it.
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