#staff | Logs for 2016-10-15
« return
[00:36:33] -!- mechanicjay [mechanicjay!~jhowe@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mechanicjay] has joined #staff
[00:36:33] -!- mode/#staff [+v mechanicjay] by Ares
[01:55:55] -!- mechanicjay has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[02:21:09] -!- mechanicjay [mechanicjay!~jhowe@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mechanicjay] has joined #staff
[02:21:09] -!- mode/#staff [+v mechanicjay] by Ares
[02:35:57] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[03:47:08] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[08:33:30] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[08:35:38] <janrinok> ~tell SirFinkus There appear to have been some changes to the content of the wiki - in particular the removal of a statement regarding the division of content between 70% science/tech and 30% other. Have you any idea when this changed? I don't think that you are responsible for the change itself, but you might have an idea when it occurred and who made it.
[08:36:46] <janrinok> I think that the division is something that should be discussed as a team rather than a unilateral move. I have no interest in supporting a general news site, and I think that many of our user base would prefer keeping it mainly science and tech orientated.
[08:39:14] <janrinok> Maybe the statement has moved to another page, however, I could not find it
[14:01:14] * cmn32480 marks the date on the calendar.... somebody actually looked at the wiki!
[15:17:34] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[15:19:34] <SirFinkus> janrinok_afk not that I'm aware of, I haven't deleted or changed very much
[15:21:09] <SirFinkus> do you remember what page that was on?
[15:24:04] <SirFinkus> yeah, I don't remember editing or deleting anything like that, and I don't think I would have done that
[15:25:23] <SirFinkus> there are a bunch of pages like this https://wiki.soylentnews.org that I just protected and added the {{archival}} tag to, if that kind of thing was on a page like that, I may have done that
[15:25:57] <SirFinkus> only things I've deleted are obsolete/redundant server information pages and PHP dumps
[17:21:34] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[17:23:52] <janrinok> SirFinkus, no, I don't think that you have deleted it, but it has changed within the last 4 - 6 weeks. And I can't be sure which page it was on, only that someone had placed a comment on the same page suggesting that the division should be removed. I just didn't expect it to go without further discussion.
[17:24:40] <SirFinkus> strange, I looked through the deletion logs and stuff and didn't notice anybody other than me editing
[17:25:17] <SirFinkus> oh, I only went back 30 days
[17:25:41] <janrinok> I've found where it was but the page is now marked as Obsolete and for Archival Purposes only : https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[17:26:42] <janrinok> Quote: We aim for around 70% technology and science stories with the remainder being a mix of content with general interest to our community. suggested for removal -NCommander
[17:27:38] <SirFinkus> oh yeah, that thing
[17:27:43] <SirFinkus> we have like 4 faq pages
[17:27:43] <SirFinkus> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[17:27:53] <SirFinkus> I chose that one because it was linked on the main page
[17:28:53] <SirFinkus> the one you linked looks like a better faq page anyway
[17:29:25] <SirFinkus> I could move all that crap to the faq page if you'd like, it seems more up to date
[17:29:34] <janrinok> I'm not sure why we are changing the mix of content. Has there been a decision that we are moving away from science and tech?
[17:29:44] <SirFinkus> we aren't
[17:30:03] <SirFinkus> as far as I'm aware
[17:30:32] <janrinok> My concern is that, while we are fine for now, the mix of subs that we get in will change because there is no guidance regarding what we a looking for.
[17:30:47] <SirFinkus> yeah, I understand
[17:31:07] <SirFinkus> but that mainsitefaqpage wasn't even linked to anything
[17:31:16] <SirFinkus> it was orphaned, so nobody was looking at it anyway
[17:31:34] <SirFinkus> the faq link on the sidebar on the wiki goes to https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[17:32:00] <janrinok> Well, I used to refer people to it for guidance but my link got erased at my end, and then I couldn't find it again :)
[17:32:18] <SirFinkus> I figured it was obsolete because nothing links to it and it doesn't have a pretty name, but it looks like the FAQ article should just be updated since that's a nicer name
[17:32:33] <SirFinkus> feel free and update the FAQ, or I can do that too
[17:33:13] <SirFinkus> https://wiki.soylentnews.org might be another good place to put it
[17:33:35] <janrinok> Yep, that looks fine
[17:33:46] <SirFinkus> oh and "This is for review purposes only. This page is an html document that will be integrated into slash. Feel free to make edits, please bold them (by using ''' surrounding the text, i.e. '''this text would be bold''') so I can easily integrate improvements back into the html doc. mrcoolbp (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)"
[17:33:50] <SirFinkus> so figured it was obsolete
[17:34:06] <janrinok> is the page locked?
[17:34:15] <SirFinkus> that one is since it's obsolete
[17:34:19] <SirFinkus> I don't think faq is
[17:34:45] <SirFinkus> probably should be tbh
[17:34:52] <janrinok> it's OK, I'm in.
[17:35:07] <SirFinkus> ahhhh
[17:35:08] <SirFinkus> https://soylentnews.org
[17:35:31] <SirFinkus> oh, ok ok ok
[17:35:38] <SirFinkus> DON'T add that to the faq page
[17:35:45] <SirFinkus> that's the FAQ for the wiki
[17:36:01] <SirFinkus> the mainsitefaqpage page was a draft of https://soylentnews.org
[17:36:20] <SirFinkus> so link people there, not to the wiki faq
[17:36:42] <SirFinkus> make sense?
[17:37:25] <SirFinkus> "Why didn't you post my story?
[17:37:25] <SirFinkus> This is a tough one.
[17:37:25] <SirFinkus> We get many submissions every day."
[17:37:30] <SirFinkus> ha! that's a good one
[17:38:35] <SirFinkus> janrinok
[17:39:07] <SirFinkus> read back a few lines before you edit anything so I don't have to revert the edits :P
[17:39:08] <janrinok> yep
[17:39:19] <SirFinkus> ok, just making sure
[17:39:30] <janrinok> I've drafted the change, do you just want me to save it?
[17:39:45] <SirFinkus> no, don't change the wiki faq
[17:40:06] <SirFinkus> that's the faq for the wiki, if you notice the questions and answers they're all about the wiki
[17:40:10] <janrinok> ok, I'm not sure what you _do_ want then?
[17:40:19] <SirFinkus> nothing
[17:40:24] <SirFinkus> link people here https://soylentnews.org
[17:40:29] <SirFinkus> probably the page you were looking for
[17:40:35] <janrinok> I've changed the Submissions guidelines, which is an Ed Team sponsored page
[17:40:50] <SirFinkus> oh, yeah, do whatever you want with that
[17:41:07] <SirFinkus> thought we were still talking about the faq stuff
[17:41:41] <janrinok> K, I'll save that and ask you to put something reflecting the 'Content' line on the Sub Guidelines into the FAQ page. Is that OK?
[17:41:56] <SirFinkus> it's already there on https://soylentnews.org
[17:42:17] <SirFinkus> "Do you only want tech news?
[17:42:17] <SirFinkus> We aim for around 70% technology and science stories with the remainder being a mix of content with general interest to our community."
[17:42:39] <janrinok> that seems to have covered all bases then
[17:43:33] <SirFinkus> yeah, thanks for pointing it out, helped me grok things a little more
[17:43:54] <janrinok> np - I was just getting a bit confused myself
[17:43:59] <SirFinkus> there's just so much crap on the wiki...
[17:44:11] <janrinok> some say that about the site too...
[17:44:15] <janrinok> :)
[17:44:19] <SirFinkus> naw, I mean just crap
[17:44:30] <janrinok> yeah, agreed
[17:44:51] <janrinok> It does need sorting out and I'm glad that you have taken it on
[17:45:13] <janrinok> It used to be mrcoolbp's baby but he is hella busy nowadays
[17:45:50] <SirFinkus> oh, so I think I was speaking with cmn32480 or someone else on the ed team, I think you guys should come up with a set of guidelines and expectations for editors and put that somewhere easy to see
[17:46:11] <SirFinkus> since there seems to have been a few shakeups lately regarding inactive editors and stuff
[17:46:44] <SirFinkus> and then we could run a recruitment story for editors and wiki experts
[17:47:14] <janrinok> we have: https://wiki.soylentnews.org and https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[17:47:36] <SirFinkus> yeah, I thinking more of a job posting
[17:48:19] <SirFinkus> I dunno, just something to think about
[17:48:47] <janrinok> OK, I can make a separate page of the 'Role of the Editor' section to put somewhere else
[17:49:12] <janrinok> I'll put something together
[17:50:02] <SirFinkus> like an "expectations" section would be neat
[17:50:25] <SirFinkus> must be active, must speak english etc etc
[17:51:10] <SirFinkus> not that you guys are awash with editor applications...
[17:52:38] <SirFinkus> but I imagine new editor on boarding is a bit of a time sink, might cut down on people who are just going to become an editor, submit 3 stories and get bored with it
[17:53:21] <janrinok> you're right - I'll do something
[17:55:22] <SirFinkus> good chance I'll lose power later on, so I might not be available
[17:56:28] <janrinok> oh, it won't be done that quickly!
[17:57:26] <janrinok> it's mid Saturday evening here now, I might get to look at it tomorrow otherwise it is on next week's list TODO list
[18:56:11] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[20:52:50] -!- audioguy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]