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[15:05:15] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: http://soylentnews.org
[15:05:19] <mrcoolbp> some people like it
[15:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> where's a good nested quotes comment?
[15:06:49] <mrcoolbp> only on dev
[15:06:56] <mrcoolbp> I'd have to dig around on prod
[15:07:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> either one
[15:08:13] <mrcoolbp> sec
[15:08:53] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:09:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent
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[15:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> aright. lemme write up a 83% stylish script
[15:14:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://pastebin.com
[15:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> write new style>blank style and paste that in. should work for entire soylentnews.org domain and subdomains.
[15:16:12] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:16:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> subtly better on the deepest quote
[15:17:06] <mrcoolbp> that looks more readable, but I think we need "some" thing else to indicate quotes
[15:17:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. double side bars and single side bars, no other styling coming up.
[15:18:47] <mrcoolbp> cool
[15:20:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, having issues
[15:23:33] <mrcoolbp> ooh shiny: http://css-tricks.com
[15:24:42] <mrcoolbp> not what he's saying but the cool gradient thing
[15:28:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://pastebin.com
[15:29:50] <mrcoolbp> hrm...
[15:30:24] <mrcoolbp> did ya see the cool gradient thing above?
[15:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i don't dig how the right bars do the ugly
[15:30:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, lemme see what i can work up with that
[15:30:38] <mrcoolbp> cool!
[15:33:45] <mrcoolbp> Your second example might also work with some refinement
[15:34:16] <mrcoolbp> I think the indent amount should be decreased in that case, and either "round" or "angle" the "bar"
[15:34:21] <mrcoolbp> not sure though
[15:34:36] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the right margin might need adjusted to make anything with a background look ok
[15:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya think?
[15:35:36] <paulej72> or with right borders.
[15:35:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was just going to write off the border-right as a lost cause.
[15:36:29] <paulej72> on my phone right now so i have not looked at your suggested styles.
[15:37:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://pastebin.com
[15:37:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to tweak at it some
[15:38:16] <mrcoolbp> TMB: that's cool
[15:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> add border-left: 3px solid; in there and look again.
[15:38:52] <mrcoolbp> something weird going on that I can't expand the second comment on http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:39:08] <paulej72> does that work out of the box with night mode
[15:39:34] <mrcoolbp> oh weird, changed the threshold and it worked
[15:39:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, works out of the box in any theme
[15:40:05] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm liking the gradient thing right now
[15:40:25] <mrcoolbp> we could decrease the margin a bit? (or padding or something)
[15:40:34] <mrcoolbp> just a touch
[15:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> not as visible in night but still
[15:40:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, which
[15:40:58] <paulej72> make sure eveything is in ems
[15:41:14] <paulej72> lunch bbl
[15:41:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios
[15:41:31] <mrcoolbp> I think padding
[15:42:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> drop it down to 0.7
[15:42:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> em
[15:42:34] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:43:49] <mrcoolbp> I agree it's tough to see on "nightmode"
[15:44:10] <mrcoolbp> but I the indents are still there...
[15:44:59] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: would it be a huge trouble to make a seperate stylesheet for night mode
[15:45:01] <mrcoolbp> ?
[15:46:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, not really, no
[15:46:37] <mrcoolbp> I'm really liking the gradient, we could invert it for nightmode
[15:46:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> check this one http://pastebin.com
[15:46:53] <mrcoolbp> of course need to test on some other browsers
[15:46:56] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:47:59] <mrcoolbp> whoa
[15:48:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm kinda digging that one
[15:48:20] <mrcoolbp> coolness, can we decrease the rounding a bit?
[15:48:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[15:48:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> try border-radius: 0.5em;
[15:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> tweak border-radius until you get what you like
[15:50:32] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:52:44] <mrcoolbp> how do you round only the top of the "border" ?
[15:54:29] <mrcoolbp> also, I'm liking like 0.3 or 0.4 radius
[15:55:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, no clue
[15:55:51] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:56:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, let's go with 0.35 then
[15:56:06] <mrcoolbp> can we make the border lighter in color?
[15:57:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> border-left-color: rgba(0,0,0, 0.4)
[15:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> had just figured that out
[15:57:50] <mrcoolbp> perfect
[15:58:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> change border-radius to border-top-left-radius and you get only top left corner rounded
[15:58:53] <mrcoolbp> sweet, lemme try
[15:59:06] * mrcoolbp was about to go to w3school
[15:59:10] <mrcoolbp> *shudder*
[15:59:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> am already there hopping around looking at stuffs
[15:59:43] <mrcoolbp> hmmm
[15:59:49] <mrcoolbp> not bad
[16:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme see where we are on dev n if i can deploy or what
[16:01:09] * mrcoolbp is messing with bigger radius top-left only
[16:02:26] <mrcoolbp> try:
[16:02:27] <mrcoolbp> border-left: 2px solid;
[16:02:27] <mrcoolbp> border-left-color: rgba(0,0,0, 0.4);
[16:02:27] <mrcoolbp> border-top-left-radius: 1em;
[16:02:39] <mrcoolbp> and 0.5 padding
[16:02:53] * mrcoolbp is having funj
[16:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> gets too dark at 0.4 alpha
[16:05:38] <mrcoolbp> ?
[16:05:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, my bad
[16:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nevermind
[16:06:03] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think we can work with that for now. going to slap it on dev so we can cross-browser check it when you're finished tweaking
[16:07:16] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I'm think I'm happy with the settings I posted above
[16:08:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> add a border-bottom-left-radius: 0.25em;
[16:08:40] <mrcoolbp> sec
[16:08:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> un-harshens the square corner but not really visible
[16:09:19] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I like
[16:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, changing on dev then
[16:09:32] <mrcoolbp> sweet
[16:09:37] * mrcoolbp installs some more browsers
[16:10:18] * mrcoolbp checks most common browsers used by SN
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[16:13:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for dev with stylish styles turned off
[16:15:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks good in chromium
[16:15:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's the only other browser i have handy
[16:15:50] * mrcoolbp is about to check chrome, ie, firefox, opera
[16:15:58] <mrcoolbp> haha, dev hung opera
[16:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[16:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> doubt it was blockquote styling
[16:17:13] <mrcoolbp> nah, I think my computer is just mad, sec
[16:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk a sec
[16:18:49] <mrcoolbp> k
[16:21:43] <mrcoolbp> something weird is happening on level 4 (only) where the left "margin" is getting squashed to like 5 pixels
[16:22:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> optical illusion
[16:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh you mean the outermost one?
[16:23:31] <mrcoolbp> yah
[16:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder why
[16:24:10] <mrcoolbp> it doesn't like nesting beyond 3 levels
[16:24:32] <mrcoolbp> check TK's comment below those, neither he nor I could even get 4 levels to work
[16:24:39] <mrcoolbp> not sure how you did it actually = )
[16:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just got the mad skills of putting tags in the right places.
[16:25:34] <mrcoolbp> must be
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[16:37:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i fixed the deep nesting margin issue
[16:37:54] <mrcoolbp> on dev
[16:37:55] <mrcoolbp> ?
[16:38:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[16:38:28] <mrcoolbp> just refreshed three times, still seeing it
[16:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ctrl-reload
[16:38:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> or shift rather
[16:39:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> whichever nixes the cache
[16:39:15] <mrcoolbp> still there
[16:39:24] <mrcoolbp> on chrome
[16:39:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> shows different on chrome to me
[16:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> still close but not as close
[16:40:02] <mrcoolbp> something's still weird then
[16:40:17] * TheMightyBuzzard tweaks
[16:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> deploying
[16:41:43] <mrcoolbp> cool, it went unstyled text-only for a sec
[16:41:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> should show good now
[16:42:10] <mrcoolbp> nope
[16:42:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, is gotta be your cache then
[16:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> hold shift n hit reload
[16:43:02] * mrcoolbp does that repeatedly with no luck
[16:43:36] <mrcoolbp> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i'm looking at and looks good
[16:45:31] <mrcoolbp> http://imgur.com
[16:46:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas right. has a 0.75em bottom margin.
[16:46:36] <mrcoolbp> it's the "left margin" I'm talkin' bout = )
[16:46:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> had pretty much zero bottom margin before
[16:46:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooooh
[16:46:48] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:47:24] <mrcoolbp> <+mrcoolbp> something weird is happening on level 4 (only) where the left "margin" is getting squashed to like 5 pixels
[16:47:36] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> deploying with a 1em left margin.
[16:47:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> be a minute or so
[16:48:07] * mrcoolbp loves watching it come back in pieces
[16:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay
[16:48:38] <mrcoolbp> Yay! fixed
[16:49:07] <mrcoolbp> shall we leave it like that for a while for other's to ACK ?
[16:49:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> default margin for blockquotes comes from the browser, quote has none
[16:49:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod.
[16:49:28] <mrcoolbp> we should at least get NCommander, paulej72, and Bytram
[16:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, i think i want to shorten up the gradient a bit
[16:49:45] <mrcoolbp> sure
[16:49:47] <mrcoolbp> I can see that
[16:51:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> too much?
[16:51:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> went .15 to .10
[16:52:39] <mrcoolbp> lemme check
[16:53:02] <mrcoolbp> nah, maybe even go farther
[16:53:05] <mrcoolbp> .05 or so
[16:53:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> start with .07
[16:55:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> give a look
[16:55:33] <mrcoolbp> nice, it's subtle
[16:55:59] <mrcoolbp> I still think we could play with the margin/borders and make it more compact
[16:56:12] <mrcoolbp> plenty of distinction between elements
[16:56:20] <mrcoolbp> (already)
[16:56:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:57:28] <mrcoolbp> let's do that and let the gentlemen mentioned above QA it
[16:57:40] <mrcoolbp> we've spent enough time on this today I think
[16:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> squish everything left?
[16:59:32] <mrcoolbp> nah,
[16:59:49] <mrcoolbp> now I'm talking bout the top/bottom margins/padding
[17:00:11] <mrcoolbp> bring those down to like .2 or whatever
[17:00:33] <mrcoolbp> It looks like it's nearly double-spaced
[17:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[17:00:46] <mrcoolbp> bring it down to like 1.2 spaced
[17:00:55] * TheMightyBuzzard tests
[17:05:23] <mrcoolbp> whatever you got there now looks better
[17:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> dropped padding bottom n top to 0.2, left left at 0.5
[17:07:40] <mrcoolbp> looks good to me, I'll pester Bytram when I see 'im
[17:09:53] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: eventually would be nice if we had a "quote" button that would say "-mrcoolbp" or something after, but that's probably not important
[17:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> think we'd hafta do that with js but yeah it would be kinda nice
[17:11:27] <mrcoolbp> nod
[17:32:29] <audioguy> Of course you could use '>' characters to make it consistent with our nntp portal and traditional quoting
[17:33:11] <audioguy> (make it modifiable in css which character is used so different skins could use different characters)
[17:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> could i spose. i'd rather just perl those in though.
[17:34:58] <audioguy> why not make if flexible while you are already in the code.It's justy one character
[17:35:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, at least partially because i don't know how to add characters with css at the moment
[17:36:42] <audioguy> Give me a sec...
[17:36:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly though because letting regular users turn that off would require yet another user var
[17:37:12] <audioguy> not if it is part of a skin
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[17:37:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, you mean make a nntp gateway skin?
[17:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> interesting idea
[17:38:21] <audioguy> It's a possibility (web gateway, like Google groups)
[17:38:42] <audioguy> which HTEY have now totally fucked up
[17:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it wouldn't be useful for our actual nntp gateway since i don't think it uses skins at all but still
[17:40:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk just a sec
[17:42:26] <audioguy> example from some of my code:
[17:42:42] <audioguy> crap...
[17:43:58] <audioguy> #/* changed the normal 'Home' text to a nbsp so text can be
[17:43:58] <audioguy> #changed in the style */
[17:43:58] <audioguy> #span.homelogotext:after {
[17:43:58] <audioguy> #content:"DevCore";
[17:43:58] <audioguy> #}
[17:44:25] <audioguy> That prints 'DevCore' inside the span.
[17:46:17] <audioguy> You can also use 'before' etc. Look op for full syntax. This is very handy at times. I sometimes use variable to change stuff like this ont the fly.
[17:47:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd have to be part of a full skin though. so we either duplicate all the skins and replace the blockquote styling or we make one skin named OldSchool or something
[17:49:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll probably use it for my terminal skin as well
[17:49:32] <audioguy> You just need to change the | to a nbsp and then style it with the character wanted as default, different skins can override that span style
[17:50:31] <audioguy> Then any new skins coould use it and old skins would not be affected
[17:51:16] <audioguy> (all skins read the base style)
[17:52:37] <audioguy> If it was hard coded into lold skins, they would also not have the span, too.
[17:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, what | ?
[17:57:02] <audioguy> the bar
[17:57:08] <audioguy> '|'
[17:57:25] <audioguy> Or whaterver that is
[17:57:44] <audioguy> looks like in i in irc
[18:00:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's border-left
[18:00:54] <audioguy> the text actually goes after the span, not inside
[18:01:26] <audioguy> Isn't the quoting character a character, what prints as a vertial line?
[18:01:32] <audioguy> vertical
[18:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> is no quoting character currently
[18:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's the border left of the element set to 2px solid
[18:02:06] <audioguy> I see vertial lines
[18:03:11] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, what's the ack?
[18:03:11] <audioguy> Oh, I see - thought you were using a characters. In that case I thin you can still do this with 'before' that span or div or whatever it is.
[18:03:56] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we are playing with more quote styles
[18:04:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> audioguy, will give it a shot in a user style after i get pj's changes made
[18:04:23] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, oh, trying to replicate the ars style?
[18:04:44] <mrcoolbp> we are trying to make ours awesome, not just passable
[18:05:21] <NCommander> Holy shit
[18:05:23] <NCommander> That's fuckng awesome
[18:05:27] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: but they are going nuts with more changes
[18:05:27] <audioguy> No big deal, just thought I would throw it out as a possibility.
[18:05:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> deploying using px rather than em
[18:05:47] * NCommander is not a frontend guy, what you're doing is literially beyond me :-)
[18:05:58] <mrcoolbp> we are team-working this one
[18:06:07] <NCommander> Speaking of which
[18:06:07] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[18:06:14] <mrcoolbp> ER.. WHAT
[18:06:16] * NCommander is working on a firm outline for the next six months
[18:06:26] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I wanna see the draft of that
[18:06:33] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I can give you what I have now
[18:06:59] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, its just shy of 2k words, and I get that sinking feeling I'm going to set a word record on this one
[18:10:31] <audioguy> I bellieve that trick can also insert graphics instead of text.
[18:12:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> fsck, i forgot what i was doing.
[18:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, padding-top
[18:14:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> deploying dev again
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[20:05:45] <TK> UTF-8 support is about 24 hours old, and the spammers are already here
[20:05:46] <TK> http://soylentnews.org
[20:14:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[20:14:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj already has a fix for that though. he's just off at a lunch meeting or some such right now.
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[22:20:11] <audioguy> Perhaps full utf should be a perk of being registered.
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[22:46:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i take this as a personal challenge full of fun and exciting opportunity
[23:01:26] <audioguy> We'll see how you feel after a few months of the spammers gearing up to full speed. :-)
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