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[18:08:09] <n1> mattie_p
[18:08:17] <mattie_p> n1
[18:08:25] <mattie_p> what's up?
[18:08:36] <n1> i just saw you're looking at the student/heartbleed story, dont know if you were just looking or editing
[18:08:45] <n1> just letting you know i put it in the queue
[18:08:53] <mattie_p> I was just browsing
[18:09:26] <n1> cool, just wanted to check :)
[18:09:27] <mattie_p> I'm still recovering from my daughter's hospitalization, so I was looking for something to post, but everyone is beating me to the punch because we still have a lot to do around here
[18:09:39] <mattie_p> now that she's home she still needs a lot of TLC
[18:10:00] <n1> take care of the family first :)
[18:10:10] <mattie_p> I'll just do 2nd edits on everyone else today, I think
[18:10:32] <n1> i'm glad she's out of the hospital and on the mend, i wish you all my best
[18:10:44] <n1> mattie_p, always very handy to have a second look over the stories
[18:10:49] <mattie_p> thanks, I appreciate the sentiment
[18:11:04] <mattie_p> n1 yes, there was quite the controversy over the story on Chernobyl.
[18:11:29] <mattie_p> I was actually preparing to post that one but LaminatorX beat me to the punch, so we had two in the queue on that for a few minutes
[18:11:33] <n1> to be honest i didn't see that, i wasnt around yesterday
[18:11:47] <n1> what was the controversy?
[18:11:47] <mattie_p> that was 2-3 hours ago it was submitted and posted
[18:12:18] <n1> i only just got on and saw the queue was low, so i'm trying to bulk it up before i go and get some lunch - i should know better!
[18:12:21] <mattie_p> well, mostly over wording in the sub "the Ukraine." The country no longer is called "the ukraine" but simply ukraine
[18:12:32] <mattie_p> much like its not "The Poland" but simply "Poland"
[18:12:35] <n1> heh
[18:12:39] <n1> i had a thought about that myself
[18:12:51] <n1> when i posted about the emergency un security council
[18:12:51] <mattie_p> I had stripped that word in my copy, but LaminatorX had left it in and his got posted first
[18:13:25] <n1> i think called it 'the ukraine' comes from people who remember the cold war well
[18:13:26] <mattie_p> also, the sub was stale (TFA was from 1 april) and so I was adding in more recent info from the past few days
[18:13:37] <n1> calling*
[18:13:45] <mattie_p> someone said it comes from the boardgame "Risk"
[18:14:07] <n1> i know of the game but i've never played it, sounds likely though
[18:14:51] <n1> "Prior to Ukraine's independence from Russia, the country was generally called The Ukraine in English, but this usage is on the wane and officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications."
[18:15:07] <mattie_p> yup.
[18:15:16] <mattie_p> We had about 8 comments on that alone
[18:15:39] <n1> it's so frustrating when the comments get derailed
[18:15:48] <mattie_p> and I had fixed it within about 12 minutes of go-live
[18:16:36] <n1> it's a good example of we only find out when we're doing something wrong
[18:17:14] <mattie_p> well, this could have been fixed if LaminatorX and I doublechecked who was editing what and contacted each other prior to posting
[18:17:25] <mattie_p> so I appreciate you pinging me on that article
[18:17:53] <n1> i know LamX has been very busy lately, he's not been on IRC for quite some time
[18:18:25] <mattie_p> It happens, we all get busy
[18:18:30] <mattie_p> but its good he is still involved
[18:19:19] <n1> yeah, it's been a huge help really... we're keeping the new content cycle up pretty well in my opinion
[18:19:29] <mattie_p> I agree
[18:20:55] <Bytram> hi guys!
[18:22:06] <n1> hey Bytram :)
[18:22:11] <mattie_p> hey Bytram!
[18:22:25] <Bytram> just saw you chatting over *here*
[18:22:57] <mattie_p> we like to wander. Later on we'll start a new channel and migrate the convo there.
[18:23:16] <Bytram> I have a suggestion for a minor edit to the current top story
[18:23:30] <Bytram> the last sentence seems to be truncated
[18:23:47] <Bytram> I think the link text should contain: "I have identified a list of keywords that are banned from /r/technology."
[18:23:47] * n1 has a look
[18:24:57] * Bytram wishes I could do these edits myself.
[18:25:11] <mattie_p> link is correct
[18:25:33] <mattie_p> The issue, I think, is that the hyperlinks went in raw, without being inserted into the story
[18:25:50] <n1> i agree with mattie_p
[18:25:54] <Bytram> yes, the *link" is correct, but the link *text* (english) is weak.
[18:26:15] <Bytram> hold on a sec and I'll show you...
[18:27:44] <mattie_p> I see what you mean
[18:27:48] <Bytram> The reddit user who detected the censorship: <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/22yewf/i_have_identified_a_list_of_keywords_that_are/">I have identified a list of keywords that are banned from /r/rechnology.</a>
[18:28:05] <mattie_p> When I saw stuff like that, I'd normally find a way to insert it into the story
[18:28:11] <n1> same here
[18:28:24] <n1> i dont know how it will look right without re writing all those links into the story
[18:28:27] <Bytram> agreed.
[18:29:10] <Bytram> just replace the last line with what I posted above.
[18:29:14] <mattie_p> since its already live, though, I think we should just fix it as best we can without a re-write
[18:29:46] <n1> Bytram, if you replace the last one, then the others having the raw links will look odd
[18:29:57] <Bytram> okay...
[18:30:25] <n1> unless we do, "News coverage of the censorship, from Dailydot"
[18:30:38] <n1> "A fuller list of the words via Pastebin"
[18:30:46] <mattie_p> Bytram, you don't have editor privs on the main site?
[18:30:48] <mattie_p> I can fix that
[18:30:59] <n1> i dont really mind, just trying to be consistent
[18:31:03] <Bytram> I do not.
[18:31:29] <Bytram> mattie_p: PLEASE! I sent an e-mail to lamx but did not see a reply. I know he's busy.
[18:32:11] <mattie_p> He can't promote you either, has to be a suadmin
[18:32:26] <mattie_p> ok, you now have privileges equal to the editors
[18:33:09] <mattie_p> I'll assume you know enough based on the other test sites not to break anything
[18:33:16] <Bytram> muchos gracias, mine herr!
[18:33:28] <Bytram> i be vewy vewy careful.
[18:34:12] <n1> Bytram, do you want to edit that story?
[18:35:00] <Bytram> ummm, yes, but given it's already live, I'll you who are more experienced have at it... I've got replacement text, hold on...
[18:35:31] <n1> once we've done that, i'd like both your opinions on another submission im editing
[18:35:39] <Bytram> <p>Links: news coverage of the censorship is at <a href="http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-technology-banned-words/">the Daily Dot</a>. A fuller list of banned words are available on <a href="http://pastebin.com/P9pc5qUc">pastebin</a>. The reddit post reporting <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/22yewf/i_have_identified_a_list_of_keywords_that_are/">censorship on /r/rechnology.</a>
[18:36:02] <n1> that looks good to me
[18:36:13] <Bytram> i's a little rough, but given the time constraints gets us there.
[18:36:25] <Bytram> s/i's/it's/
[18:36:33] <Bytram> n1: thanks
[18:38:16] <n1> all on one line or on three as it is already?
[18:39:07] <Bytram> I'd go with either all-on-one-line, or make it a bulleted list. (can you DO that in a stroy?)
[18:39:57] <n1> i've put it all on one, it read ok like that to me
[18:40:01] <n1> it should update any minute
[18:41:02] <Bytram> n1: I see it, looks much better. Thanks!!!
[18:41:19] <n1> thanks for not only pointing out the problem, but fixing it too ;)
[18:41:31] <n1> now, i'm working on another story
[18:41:49] <n1> "How a 17-Year-Old Androind Developer..."
[18:41:49] <Bytram> n1: you mentioned you wanted a look at something... whacha got?
[18:41:58] <Bytram> k, brb
[18:42:00] <n1> the issue i have is the last sentence on the submission
[18:42:13] <n1> "This young man, if he can stay out of jail, may have a bright future on Wall Street or Madison Ave."
[18:42:36] <Bytram> mattie_p: hmmm, did you give editor privs to "martyb" or to "Bytram" ?
[18:43:36] <Bytram> musta been martyb.... hold on...
[18:45:03] <Bytram> n1: okay, I'm there. do you have any pending changes on the story that need saving?
[18:46:07] <n1> no, i'm not really thinking about changing anything
[18:46:11] <n1> its the last line
[18:46:21] <n1> i feel i should delete it, as it's inflammatory
[18:46:27] <Bytram> ok, your thoughts on it?
[18:46:55] <Bytram> +1 inciteful?
[18:46:59] <n1> as much as i may agree, i don't think it's appropriate for the submission - thats something for comments i think.
[18:48:04] <Bytram> yup, I agree with that assessment. I have a couple minor edits w/ punctuation. I could delete the last line and save my changes. Okay?
[18:49:45] <Bytram> n1: we could include madison ave / wall street ref in the "dept" field.
[18:50:31] <Bytram> n1: from the "I-hear-madison-ave-is-hiring" dept.
[18:51:03] <n1> do what you want to
[18:51:08] <n1> untick the display box and save it
[18:51:20] <n1> then i'll see what you did
[18:51:35] <Bytram> question: in the dept" field, does it automatically insert the dashes, or should I include them?
[18:51:49] <n1> you have to include them
[18:51:55] <n1> "the" and "dept"
[18:52:02] <n1> are included automatically
[18:52:19] <Bytram> k
[18:53:11] <Bytram> sved it.
[18:53:41] <n1> great, i'll check it now and set to publish
[18:54:04] <n1> i was going to change the title to Thousands instead of 1000's
[18:54:33] <n1> I assume the reason it was 1000's in the original submission is because Thousands made it too long for the submission title field
[18:54:42] <Bytram> tell ya what, since you're here, please walk me through and I'll gain some practice,
[18:55:52] <n1> i've changed the title and saved it to publish at 21:12UTC
[18:55:59] <n1> what do you want to know?
[18:56:28] <Bytram> the steps to go through to publish. =)
[18:56:35] <Bytram> I learn best by doing.
[18:56:48] <Bytram> no problem.
[18:56:51] <n1> a few key things to remember, once you start editing a story
[18:57:09] * Bytram listens attentively
[18:57:11] <n1> either untick the display box and update it, or set the publish time a few hours ahead of what it says
[18:57:59] <n1> if you untick display and save, it moves it to the story queue but wont publish - it just makes doubly sure stories that arn't ready don't get published
[18:59:26] <Bytram> okay. will do.
[18:59:28] <n1> we're generally setting stories to publish every 60-90 minutes but when you first go to edit a submission, it puts it ready to publish in a few minutes
[18:59:51] <Bytram> that could be, umm, interesting! :/
[18:59:53] <n1> although it shouldn't publish until you save, if you don't change the time (in UTC), it wont publish when it needs to
[19:00:52] <n1> below the submission on the edit page, there's a box which shows you related stories, this is the easiest way to check if it's a dupe but it's in no way perfect
[19:01:14] <Bytram> so I've noticed.
[19:01:32] <n1> the 'topics' box works quite well, i generally only put two topics at most
[19:01:44] <n1> use the + to add one and then the arrows to 'position' it
[19:02:07] <n1> "The Main Page" is the only nexus and must be selected or the story wont save
[19:02:37] <Bytram> I'll have to play around with topics a bit to get the hang of it.
[19:02:47] <Bytram> nexus reminder is good, thanks!
[19:03:05] <n1> a lot of the submissions come in with <br> <br> instead of <p> tags, whenever you see it change them to <p>
[19:03:34] <n1> a future update will break the formatting using <br> <br>, from what i've been told
[19:03:45] <Bytram> I was wondering about those, glad we prefer standard HTML
[19:04:29] <n1> if you could include a link to the submitters profile page, in the "whoever writes:" section, that would be good too
[19:04:37] <n1> i don't always remember myself, but trying to
[19:04:51] <Bytram> so that's something we have to do manually?
[19:05:02] <n1> yeah
[19:05:09] <n1> sometimes people include a link to their own website
[19:05:11] <Bytram> joy.
[19:05:28] <n1> thats fine as long as it's not blatant advertising
[19:05:34] <paulej72> the default is 30 minutes from when you first save it
[19:05:56] <Bytram> and it they don't include a link, just link to their SN user page?
[19:06:06] <n1> from first save not from when you open the submission?
[19:06:13] <Bytram> e.g. http://soylentnews.org
[19:06:19] <n1> Bytram, yeah
[19:06:51] <Bytram> k
[19:07:05] <n1> if there's a site announcement that needs to be kept 'ontop'
[19:07:15] <n1> then there's a tick box for 'fast foward'
[19:07:25] <n1> which if selected then saved will move the story back to the top of the main page
[19:07:48] <Bytram> like what was used for NCommander
[19:07:58] <Bytram> 's stories a couple times?
[19:08:09] <n1> yeah
[19:08:12] <Bytram> k
[19:08:18] <n1> and the other day with the name change clarification
[19:08:34] <Bytram> yeah, that one. I remember it.
[19:08:36] <n1> if there is such a story i assume it will either be NCommander or mrcoolbp to instruct that should be done
[19:08:48] <NCommander> ?
[19:08:57] <Bytram> only do when specifically instructed; makes sense.
[19:09:18] <Bytram> NCommander: sry, was referring TO you, not AT you.
[19:09:21] <paulej72> NCommander: editor training
[19:09:43] <NCommander> Ah, you got ye whips and such?
[19:09:59] <NCommander> paulej72, so Linode just got a whole lot better for a whole lot less money :-)
[19:10:00] <paulej72> do you know Woods has offered to be an editor as well.
[19:10:11] <NCommander> paulej72, I'd like to upgrade the non-critical nodes
[19:10:12] <paulej72> NCommander: I was reading that
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[19:10:23] <Bytram> just an apprentice; could only afford mace
[19:10:31] <n1> lol
[19:10:38] <NCommander> Bytram, we need the minecraft server so we can build diamond swords
[19:10:38] <paulej72> everything except hydrogen and helium, NCommander
[19:10:45] <Bytram> one each of the stick, the spray, and the spice.
[19:10:48] <NCommander> paulej72, upgrading beryllium will disrupt email
[19:10:54] <NCommander> I'll do that one last in the middle of the night
[19:11:44] <Bytram> I could not log on to SN using my mobile at ALL yesterday... was that a result of the load balancer issue?
[19:12:03] <NCommander> Bytram, yeah
[19:12:05] <paulej72> NCommander: email not so critical with staff slash, but need to post this as email and to staff slash and give at least 24 hour notice so audioguy does not get upset :)
[19:12:32] <NCommander> :-P
[19:12:34] <Bytram> I agree that a 24-hour notice ahead-of-time would be a good idea!
[19:13:07] <Bytram> I wasted about an hour rebooting my phone, clearing cache, etc.
[19:13:42] <paulej72> NCommander: so would we be upgrading by staying at the same priceing level and just getting better mem and bandwidth?
[19:14:25] <n1> Bytram: #editorial
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[19:14:52] <Bytram> just noticed, thanks
[19:15:15] <paulej72> from a spam I just got. Maybe we need to switch :)
[19:15:33] <Bytram> paulej72: would that be exa-lent?
[19:17:05] <NCommander> paulej72, we do loose some CPU power
[19:17:31] <paulej72> we loose core, but they are better ones.
[19:17:45] <NCommander> paulej72, actually, for upgrading hydrogen/helium, we *were* going to load balance these, might as well just use this opportunity to take care of that
[19:17:52] <paulej72> s/co re/cores/
[19:33:20] <mattie_p> Bytram, I didn't know you were using that as your ID on the site as well, I thought it was still Martyb
[19:34:28] <Bytram> no prob; As I've gotten to be know as Bytram here, I thought I might as well make it "official" and created another nick.
[19:34:39] <Bytram> ed privs on martyb works out fine!
[19:34:46] <mattie_p> whatever you want
[19:35:40] <Bytram> mattie_p: I'm good. thanks!!!!!
[19:35:47] <mattie_p> yw
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[20:15:29] <paulej72> Bytram: we could have changed your nick in the DB
[20:15:52] <Bytram> i was wondering about that
[20:16:11] <Bytram> but it's kinda nice to have an alter-ego.
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