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[00:00:22] <NCommander> Approaching albandy
[00:00:24] <NCommander> SMOKE BREAK
[00:00:25] <NCommander> YAY
[00:00:30] <xlefay> hehe nice ;-)
[00:00:52] <NCommander> I'll be in NYC in approximately two and a haf hours
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[04:56:31] <mrcoolbp> audioguytaxpain: ping
[04:58:03] * mrcoolbp looks at the story queue
[04:58:05] <mrcoolbp> oh noes!
[05:46:22] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: can we push an update to the moderation doc out? NCommander has made changes since I edited that last
[05:51:19] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[05:52:31] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: http://soylentnews.org
[05:53:08] <MrBluze> yep, extend voting for a week
[05:53:21] <MrBluze> that was not the intention - it's "ideal"
[05:53:35] <mrcoolbp> aye
[05:53:40] <MrBluze> my personal hope is we didtch soylentnews
[05:53:47] <MrBluze> but it's a vote
[05:53:55] <mrcoolbp> well crap then
[05:54:01] <MrBluze> extend for a week
[05:54:05] <mrcoolbp> I just don't want to run yet another story
[05:54:15] <mrcoolbp> but some clarification needs to be made anyway
[05:54:18] <MrBluze> sorry about that
[05:54:23] <MrBluze> yes, i am happy to wear that
[05:54:26] <mrcoolbp> it's not your fault
[05:54:29] <mrcoolbp> don't be sorry
[05:54:39] <mrcoolbp> I feel like it's my fault
[05:54:55] <MrBluze> just a short one saying .. we extend the suggestions for another 7 days - we repeat the post, clarify points and go .. what do u think?
[05:55:42] <mrcoolbp> I probably do a quick post, link to the original, emphasize the clarifications
[05:55:51] <MrBluze> i submitted tld's without .com
[05:55:53] <mrcoolbp> I'll run it tomorrow morning
[05:55:55] <MrBluze> because they are usually not available
[05:56:00] <MrBluze> yeah, it's all good - dont worry
[05:56:16] <MrBluze> this aspect is not the REAL problem lol
[05:56:18] <xlefay> MrBluze++
[05:56:19] <mrcoolbp> alright, I still need to check with audioguytaxpain
[05:56:26] <mrcoolbp> thanks MrBluze
[05:56:39] <xlefay> I'm seriously afraid many people just won't vote because it's too unnatural
[05:56:39] <MrBluze> ok, as long as he is happy
[05:56:59] <MrBluze> well it's not voting, it's nominating
[05:57:14] <MrBluze> so why it has to be done as a 'vote' i don't get .. but oh well, if it works it works..
[05:57:21] <xlefay> doesn't change it ;-)
[05:57:23] <mrcoolbp> need his signoff to be able to extend the deadline code-wise, and I want to know if we can resend the submission
[05:57:33] <MrBluze> yep
[05:57:43] <MrBluze> all existing submissions are saved .. emphasise that
[05:57:44] * mrcoolbp goes to check the poll
[05:57:47] <MrBluze> its just an extension
[05:57:51] <xlefay> MrBluze, have you read some of the replies to the poll?
[05:57:52] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: agreed
[05:57:59] <MrBluze> no, i haven't
[05:58:03] <MrBluze> i dont get the emails
[05:58:11] <MrBluze> afaik
[05:58:11] <xlefay> The poll @ SN main site
[05:58:16] <MrBluze> oh
[05:58:29] <MrBluze> no, i havent sat down for 2 days
[05:58:59] <MrBluze> 6% response rate
[05:59:01] <MrBluze> .. great
[05:59:15] <xlefay> There are a ton of people who haven't received the mail (not sure if that has changed yet)
[05:59:24] <MrBluze> why can't we just say:
[05:59:30] <MrBluze> Send us an email to suggestions@soylentnews.org
[05:59:37] <xlefay> https://soylentnews.org my favorite comment tree
[05:59:39] <MrBluze> on separate lines outline the domains u suggest
[05:59:49] <MrBluze> thank you for participating. end
[05:59:57] <MrBluze> and we compare suggestions to emails in the database
[06:00:20] <xlefay> How about simpler..
[06:00:31] <xlefay> just a webform, which automagically does a whois as well.. and submit it
[06:00:44] <MrBluze> of course
[06:00:54] <MrBluze> but who will do that
[06:01:10] <xlefay> It's what, 10 lines to write?
[06:01:11] <mrcoolbp> that doesn't solve the problem of people not getting the emails as we still need them for the vote
[06:01:33] <MrBluze> mrcoolbp: .. if people can WRITE an email from the email nominated in their acount
[06:01:41] <MrBluze> to an address we provide.. it's done
[06:02:02] <MrBluze> it won't kill us to distil the list by hand even - it's better than a 6% response rate
[06:02:20] <mrcoolbp> we were expecting hundreds of suggestions orginially
[06:02:38] <MrBluze> hundreds of emails can be grepped for things that look like domain names
[06:03:20] <xlefay> I dislike the entire approach at this point tbh..
[06:03:28] <MrBluze> me too but
[06:03:36] <xlefay> how about an old fashioned link with a token per user?
[06:03:37] <MrBluze> it's now damage control
[06:03:51] <xlefay> if it's not to late for that..
[06:04:00] <MrBluze> it's not ..
[06:04:07] <mrcoolbp> i need a drink
[06:04:29] <xlefay> MrBluze, so what do you propose, another mass e-mail?
[06:04:32] <MrBluze> webforms can be submitted as emails
[06:04:34] <MrBluze> no
[06:04:47] <MrBluze> i'd propose advertising the email to send suggestions to
[06:04:59] <MrBluze> and use your username/uid as proof
[06:05:08] <MrBluze> we match that to the email in slash to verify
[06:05:17] <MrBluze> and we grep for domain names
[06:05:26] <MrBluze> this is a zero technology solution
[06:05:31] <MrBluze> no coding needed
[06:05:47] <xlefay> So, how about, you simple send another mass e-mail, each with a special token (.. preferably with a link to a webform, but not required) and you won't have to check slash to verify
[06:06:14] <MrBluze> yeah can do that too
[06:06:16] <xlefay> Grepping for domainnames is tricky, what if you forget to grep half because of a weird formatting error?
[06:06:43] <xlefay> honestly.. a webform should be easy enough, use sqlite as a backend, and it's ~ 10 - 25 lines
[06:06:51] <MrBluze> webform is better
[06:06:54] <MrBluze> totally agree
[06:06:59] <MrBluze> dont even need sqlite
[06:07:07] <MrBluze> just do append to a txt file
[06:07:13] <MrBluze> \n per domain
[06:07:20] <xlefay> The SQLite can be useful for later
[06:07:24] <MrBluze> yes true
[06:07:26] <xlefay> e.g. say, you decide to vote with it too
[06:08:14] <MrBluze> can do
[06:08:22] <MrBluze> but need a quick solution for now
[06:08:34] <xlefay> and a webform isn't? :)
[06:08:39] <MrBluze> fail safe .. a web form is good
[06:09:00] <MrBluze> can't the _POST be done as a mailto?
[06:09:06] <MrBluze> i seem to recall i did this in the 90's
[06:09:35] <MrBluze> forget that.. it's a lame idea
[06:09:36] <xlefay> ugh, that's simple
[06:09:45] <xlefay> but would kinda defeat the point
[06:09:50] <MrBluze> yeah
[06:10:13] <xlefay> Advantages: direct whois check - sqlite backend
[06:10:25] <MrBluze> .. true
[06:10:38] <mrcoolbp> guys, all this is good for the future, but let's not gut the current plan
[06:10:40] <xlefay> Disadvantages: it'll take up at least 50 - 100 lines top! Can you imagine?!?!?! - It'll take what.. a few kb of diskspace?
[06:11:04] <MrBluze> omg .. thats nearly the whol 640k
[06:11:09] <xlefay> LOL
[06:11:32] <MrBluze> brb
[06:11:54] <MrBluze> need ncommander's ok with all this
[06:12:14] <mrcoolbp> that too
[06:12:53] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, we're just discussing submitting domainnames
[06:13:02] <MrBluze> webform is best
[06:13:07] <xlefay> The current way.. heck, I haven't got a clue if it's even working.
[06:13:09] <MrBluze> if ncommander wants it tied into slash, he can do it
[06:13:15] <MrBluze> ie: dev team
[06:13:25] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: it is working, just not as easily as we hoped
[06:13:29] <xlefay> And the voting.. I think it's pretty clear people think it's to complicated
[06:13:53] <MrBluze> how many submissions are there so far? can we know that?
[06:14:06] <mrcoolbp> I have an update as of earlier
[06:14:08] <mrcoolbp> let me grab it
[06:14:14] <MrBluze> ok
[06:14:37] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[06:14:44] <mrcoolbp> 21 submissions
[06:14:52] <mrcoolbp> that's not bad
[06:14:57] <mrcoolbp> not awesome either though
[06:14:58] <xlefay> That's from 2 days ago..
[06:15:06] <MrBluze> 500 people said they wanted the chance to vote
[06:15:13] <mrcoolbp> to "vote"
[06:15:31] <MrBluze> yeah so why are we doing this
[06:15:35] <MrBluze> it's not even voting
[06:16:03] <mrcoolbp> doing what?
[06:16:14] <MrBluze> 'voting'
[06:16:17] <MrBluze> when we are 'suggesting'
[06:16:44] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: I'm okay with opening up the suggestions to an email address
[06:16:55] <MrBluze> me too
[06:16:56] <mrcoolbp> just send them to Suggestions@
[06:17:02] <MrBluze> i will happily go through 22 emails
[06:17:02] <xlefay> wait a sec..
[06:17:05] <MrBluze> i think i could manage it ...
[06:17:07] <xlefay> how often have we done this now?
[06:17:14] <mrcoolbp> done what?
[06:17:25] <xlefay> name-suggestions has a dozen or so replies from what, ~1/2 months ago?
[06:17:41] <MrBluze> it's farcical
[06:17:44] <xlefay> Then, another cycle for name suggestions via e-mail was done.. and last week again
[06:17:54] <MrBluze> yeah
[06:18:09] <MrBluze> we had it on the wiki at the start
[06:18:11] <xlefay> farcical is the best word to describe this *sighs*
[06:18:19] <mrcoolbp> last week?
[06:18:27] <mrcoolbp> you mean the testing?
[06:18:29] <xlefay> well, whenever the mass emails went out
[06:18:44] <xlefay> no, the one to those "willing to vote"
[06:19:08] <MrBluze> can we do an internal message on slashcode?
[06:19:12] <mrcoolbp> no
[06:19:17] <MrBluze> give the willing to vote ppl the link to send email suggestions to
[06:19:19] <mrcoolbp> the system is borked
[06:19:23] <xlefay> We could probably inject it straight into the DB..
[06:19:24] <MrBluze> ok
[06:19:26] <xlefay> We could test on dev
[06:19:59] <MrBluze> i dont code perl
[06:20:05] <xlefay> I was talking about MYSQL
[06:20:07] <xlefay> err
[06:20:11] <xlefay> ^#&!^@&#SQL I mean
[06:20:15] <MrBluze> lol ok
[06:20:37] <MrBluze> how we do it is not a prob
[06:20:38] <xlefay> The most important thing here.. do we even want to take action?
[06:20:41] <MrBluze> but it has to be EASY as pie
[06:20:43] <MrBluze> for the usr
[06:21:05] <mrcoolbp> "how we do it is not a prob" ? Isn't how we are doing it now the problem?
[06:21:17] <xlefay> I personally don't think the current vote will do any good, based from the few replies I've seen.
[06:21:18] <MrBluze> yes
[06:21:23] <MrBluze> becuase it is not easy as pie
[06:21:36] <MrBluze> UI for dummies = design the UI for dummies
[06:21:37] <xlefay> Doing another mail thing.. ugh, honestly? If that hasn't shown itself to be a disaster already, 3 times in a row now?
[06:21:55] <MrBluze> email is meant as MAIL
[06:22:03] <MrBluze> not as a ballot box, or anything
[06:22:03] <xlefay> First time, a month and half ago or so?
[06:22:06] <MrBluze> or a way of playing chess
[06:22:21] <xlefay> Just make a damn simple HTML only web interface and send everyone an unique link
[06:22:35] <mrcoolbp> I think the biggest problem was the instructions, we can modify them for the vote, while we supplement the suggestions system
[06:22:36] <xlefay> heck, you don't even need to know people their identities.. just send them an unique link.
[06:23:10] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, I honestly believe the biggest problem is that it's unnatural
[06:23:22] <MrBluze> brb
[06:23:24] <xlefay> With exclusion of the current mail voting system, when is the last time you made a vote via e-mail?
[06:23:38] <mrcoolbp> I think the time to veto this decision has passed
[06:24:10] <xlefay> color me blind but I never heard that this was even discussed in a meeting or anything like that
[06:24:24] <xlefay> not that I actually care.. I just want it to work in a way that everyone can make a vote, easily
[06:24:32] <mrcoolbp> meeting no, but in the list it was discusse
[06:24:38] <mrcoolbp> I do to
[06:24:39] <mrcoolbp> too
[06:25:08] <mrcoolbp> I really do
[06:25:14] <mrcoolbp> I've poured a lot of time into thi
[06:25:16] <mrcoolbp> this
[06:25:25] <mrcoolbp> I've talked about it at length here on IRC
[06:25:33] <mrcoolbp> I've made multiple posts to the mailing list
[06:25:41] <xlefay> I think we all want it to work. I just don't think it's going to work unless it's natural enough.
[06:26:07] <xlefay> Present a one line instruction, heck send a link with a full explanation if need be ;-)
[06:26:31] <mrcoolbp> I think we are learning a lot from how this is going, but changing the whole system while in the middle of this plan is not ideal
[06:26:59] <mrcoolbp> Like I said, I think the instructions can be modified before the actual vote goes out
[06:27:05] <xlefay> Just explain in one line and send a link to a simple tutorial. Think a page, with either a screencast (not preferable) or just some screenshots and a plain text explanation
[06:27:12] <mrcoolbp> in the meantime, we can provide another method for adding suggestions
[06:27:52] <xlefay> people will most likely vote because you remove the curve and provide an easy way for them to vote _without_ making them actually read a whole bunch of stuff
[06:29:01] <mrcoolbp> right, like I said, simplify the instructions
[06:29:22] <MrBluze> in this case
[06:29:26] <MrBluze> just simplify it
[06:29:28] <mrcoolbp> add either a webform or an email address for suggestions
[06:29:30] <MrBluze> and give an alternative
[06:29:43] audioguytaxpain is now known as audiogsuckeddrybyvampIRS
[06:29:43] <MrBluze> the email thing has to be said to be valid
[06:29:47] <mrcoolbp> although a webform will need coding and testing
[06:30:00] <mrcoolbp> guys, methink audioguy is here
[06:30:06] <MrBluze> a simple suggestion box is enough
[06:30:13] <mrcoolbp> give him a second to catch up on our 2GB of text
[06:30:15] <audiogsuckeddrybyvampIRS> Sorry was workng on taxes, just saw email
[06:30:17] <MrBluze> if nobody else wants to, I will go through it and distil the contents
[06:30:27] <MrBluze> its all good audioguy - we feel your pain man
[06:30:34] <MrBluze> :) cheers
[06:31:00] <mrcoolbp> audiougysuckeddrybyvampIRS you are making it really hard to say your name there buddy
[06:32:16] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: I'm feeling like I just want to turn over this project to someone else, It's caused me enough stress already, but I'm not ducking out on what I started
[06:32:46] <MrBluze> brb
[06:34:22] audiogsuckeddrybyvampIRS is now known as audioguy
[06:34:49] <audioguy> yeah, I scrolled back a bit.
[06:34:55] <mrcoolbp> how'd that go?
[06:35:13] <audioguy> You guys are worried about four or five peoples comments? Out of over 500?
[06:35:22] <MrBluze> 22 submissions?
[06:35:27] <MrBluze> one of which is mine?
[06:36:01] <audioguy> now 37
[06:36:38] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: ^
[06:36:57] <xlefay> 37, that's nice
[06:37:23] <audioguy> And look at the poll, over 55% have not responded yet
[06:37:37] <mrcoolbp> https://www.youtube.com
[06:37:49] <MrBluze> ok
[06:37:55] <audioguy> Remember that staff was asked to wait til the end, and I sopecifically asked people to give us just their best few
[06:38:49] <audioguy> We are two full daysin, out of a week.
[06:40:04] <audioguy> One thisng about this, you always have people who want things done differently, people who don't rerad directions, people who try to manipulate things, or cheat, ...
[06:40:21] <audioguy> You have to look at the majority.
[06:40:33] <MrBluze> the majority is silent usually
[06:40:39] <audioguy> Exactly.
[06:40:46] <MrBluze> which means u cant measure it
[06:40:49] <MrBluze> or know if it is unhappy
[06:41:09] <MrBluze> but ok
[06:41:19] <MrBluze> 37 is something
[06:41:21] <MrBluze> give it a week?
[06:41:40] <MrBluze> do an interim analysis
[06:41:40] <audioguy> It is HARD to come up with good names.
[06:41:50] <audioguy> That are not taken.
[06:42:08] <MrBluze> we came up with about 8-10 in an hour or so
[06:42:15] <MrBluze> but yeah
[06:42:24] <MrBluze> sitting alone at a computer it is hard i agree
[06:42:28] <audioguy> But GOOD ones.
[06:42:47] <audioguy> 8-10 with how many people?
[06:42:56] <MrBluze> in #soylent
[06:42:59] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: you mentioned the list on the wiki, most of those are slash ripoffs
[06:43:05] <MrBluze> it was just a bit of fun
[06:43:17] <xlefay> eh no, wasn't me
[06:43:46] <mrcoolbp> oh
[06:43:52] <mrcoolbp> maybe MrBluze then
[06:44:00] <MrBluze> that was the first submission proces
[06:44:18] <mrcoolbp> anyway, I scanned that list, not sure any of them meet the criteria
[06:44:32] <audioguy> I can add names to the list right before the first vote email goes out. If there are some in soylent you feel are good, we can just add them. Same with the stuff in the various discussions.
[06:45:03] <audioguy> One reason I wanted staff to wait toward the end was so we could seed thigs like that.
[06:45:12] <audioguy> If needed
[06:45:31] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: one point I do agree with completly that was brought up, is the "Available in all .com .net and .org" thing. If we nixed this requirement, is there a way we could extend the submission period?
[06:46:03] <mrcoolbp> I meant this to be an Idea Case, but I worded incorrectly in the original post
[06:46:15] <audioguy> I do not remember that being in the requirements. Was not in my proposal. May have been in the post though.
[06:46:32] <mrcoolbp> I was in my post, again my fault, I worded it wrong
[06:46:39] <mrcoolbp> it was*
[06:46:45] <audioguy> It is still possible to extend the submission period.
[06:47:06] <mrcoolbp> okay, one more question
[06:47:39] <mrcoolbp> if people check the "willing to vote" box right now for example, will they get the next email (for the actual vote)?
[06:47:44] <audioguy> No.
[06:48:00] <audioguy> This is like a regular vote, you must register to vote.
[06:48:05] <audioguy> We made that clear.
[06:48:17] <mrcoolbp> well I think some people didn't click "save"
[06:48:42] <mrcoolbp> anyway, just checking
[06:48:43] <audioguy> yes there are always a few who learn the hard way.
[06:48:57] <audioguy> Sorry, welcome to life. :-)
[06:49:42] <mrcoolbp> okay, can we simplify the instructions for the vote email by any chance?
[06:49:57] <mrcoolbp> I'm happy to help with that
[06:50:02] <MrBluze> that would be fine
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[06:50:06] <MrBluze> patch it up and go
[06:50:12] <MrBluze> as long as we get a reasonable take
[06:50:46] <MrBluze> personally however i'd like to open up the thing to a simple suggestion box
[06:50:47] <audioguy> There were a lot simpified in the actual email, and the next two even more. I put specific examples up on the post link, showing exactly what to do with examples.
[06:51:07] <MrBluze> but this was discounted on grounds of 'too much work to process' .. so i dont mind if we dont
[06:51:17] <mrcoolbp> audiougy: yes that was helpful, but I'm not sure everyone saw those
[06:51:20] <audioguy> ?
[06:51:56] <MrBluze> i did my suggestions in pine, which was pretty awkward, because pine sucks
[06:52:07] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze: that was the original thinking, I'm willing to open it up if you think it's important
[06:52:19] <audioguy> It's the very first time we have done this, there are bound to be misunderstandings, confustion in some people. Any process you comeup with will have that.
[06:52:20] <MrBluze> lets give it a week
[06:52:41] <MrBluze> two week submission period, right?
[06:52:53] <audioguy> It's a week right now.
[06:52:58] <MrBluze> ok
[06:52:59] <mrcoolbp> MrBluze the current deadline is Saturday
[06:53:05] <mrcoolbp> ish
[06:53:09] <mrcoolbp> = )
[06:53:13] <MrBluze> it's not good
[06:53:17] <MrBluze> emails are stale by now
[06:53:21] <mrcoolbp> ?
[06:53:30] <MrBluze> 37 respondants it will peter out soon
[06:53:40] <audioguy> We are between a rock and a hard place. If we post too much about this as stories, some people get annoyed. If we don't others say they did not know things.
[06:53:43] <MrBluze> so i'd be happy to accept email sugestions
[06:53:58] <mrcoolbp> audioguy: I'm thinking the same thing
[06:54:02] <MrBluze> i will look at them
[06:54:08] <audioguy> We have put this in the poll, asking for more.
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[06:54:16] <audioguy> Many people red that.
[06:54:18] <mrcoolbp> We need NCommander to implement a site-specific nexus so we don't have that worry
[06:54:23] <audioguy> read that
[06:54:40] <audioguy> What we really need is a sidebar box, we just don't have that yet.
[06:54:42] <MrBluze> put a fixed message on the site for the rest of the eek
[06:54:43] <MrBluze> week
[06:54:55] <audioguy> read
[06:54:56] <MrBluze> "suggestions close saturday, if you missed out, email suggestions to suggestons@sn.org or something
[06:55:00] <mrcoolbp> audiougy: yes we do we just need a super-admin to add them
[06:55:20] <mrcoolbp> paulej72, NCommander: we need a super-adming
[06:55:23] <mrcoolbp> admin*
[06:55:25] <audioguy> Who is a super dmin?
[06:55:31] <mrcoolbp> not many
[06:55:42] <xlefay> Where?
[06:55:48] <mrcoolbp> on main site
[06:55:49] <xlefay> main, chillax, dev?
[06:55:52] <xlefay> I'm fairly sure I am
[06:55:56] <mrcoolbp> really?
[06:56:01] <mrcoolbp> xlefay click on confic
[06:56:03] <mrcoolbp> config
[06:56:12] <audioguy> I have 10000 level on main site, thought that was highest
[06:56:35] <xlefay> I've got the same level as ncommander
[06:56:44] <audioguy> Which is
[06:56:47] <xlefay> 10000 .. we've got the same level
[06:56:47] <audioguy> ?
[06:56:52] <xlefay> so, audioguy can help you too
[06:57:15] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, don't be so surprised ;)
[06:57:26] <audioguy> The problem is I don't know if that actually works. Alot of code has been taken out or changed. NCommander needs to be involved.
[06:57:43] <xlefay> audioguy, I agree, I'm not fond of just doing something in Slash and risking breakage..
[06:57:50] <xlefay> but I suppose one could test it on dev first.
[06:57:53] <audioguy> yes.
[06:58:34] <audioguy> But dev and main are not in sync. It really needs NCommander who knows exactly what is where. Or maybe paulej72 does.
[06:59:16] <xlefay> They should be running the same version of Slash but nonetheless, better to be safe than sorry.
[07:00:03] <audioguy> Well, it is certain they are NOt right now because of the load balancing work
[07:00:13] <audioguy> If nothing else.
[07:00:26] <xlefay> afaik there hasn't been any load balancing so far.. only dev is being load balanced afaik
[07:00:37] <audioguy> Best one can say is they are in sync for short peiods of time, from time to time. :-)
[07:03:22] <MrBluze> audioguy: pm .. of sorts
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[07:41:44] <NCommander> audioguy, the admin interface *needs* javascript to work
[07:41:51] <NCommander> It won't showup if its noscripted
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[07:47:42] <NCommander> audioguy, MrBluze mrcoolbp: post it, people will get pissed but frankly, I rather an informed community then one with their heads in the sand
[07:48:03] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'll try to get it out early in the morning
[07:48:41] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, if people start getting pitchforks about site news on the site, then we'll have to have a Q&A about it
[07:49:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: can we get a nexus for stie-specific stuff?
[07:49:09] <xlefay> You know, it'd be nice if we tested the nexusses and.. mrcoolbp was faster
[07:49:11] <mrcoolbp> for the future....
[07:49:14] <mrcoolbp> hehe
[07:49:23] <NCommander> Yeah, but the nexus UI isn't pinned out anywhere
[07:49:28] <mrcoolbp> ah
[07:50:19] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, as far as I know, it "works", but most people check will check the nexuses
[07:51:22] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I gotta run, I think we are on track, a clarification will go out sometime tomorrow
[07:51:58] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, being on track is good. Lets make sure it doesn't end on a brick wall
[07:52:18] <mrcoolbp> we are doing are best to avoid that = )
[07:52:41] <mrcoolbp> g'night guys
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[20:58:04] <n1> we seem to be getting AC spam posts by 'linuxadvocates.com'
[20:59:37] <n1> havn't looked any further yet but both the truecrypt and the name vote post have them.
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[21:26:16] <mrcoolbp> NCommander, paulej72 ^
[21:26:47] <paulej72> not me, i do not carry a ban hammer. :)
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[21:31:09] <paulej72> looks like this AC has posted 7 times and only 2 are the linuxadvocates.com message. All the other messages look trollish to me. All of the messages are from today.
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[21:32:02] <paulej72> I am of the opinion not to use the ban hammer here, but the we should keep an eye on this.
[21:32:51] <janrinok> paulej72: agreed, how long do we watch for?
[21:34:26] <janrinok> paulej72: I've found the obvious linuxadvocate trolls, but which are the others?
[21:35:35] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[21:35:47] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[21:35:53] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[21:36:02] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[21:36:11] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[21:36:42] <paulej72> three offtopics, two troll, and two funny
[21:36:53] <janrinok> thx paulej72
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[21:53:03] <n1> banhammer would be an overreaction but the problem is posts like that can derail or stop a meaningful discussion for happening if there's no one with mod points to use
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[22:16:33] <Cyprus> i'm beginning to see Nc's point regarding piping AC posts through spamassassian
[22:17:26] <Cyprus> or at least something inteligent enough to catch things like this Linuxadvocate guy
[22:29:46] <mrcoolbp> NCommander ^
[22:30:10] <NCommander> Cyprus, indeed. Its a matter of implementing it.
[22:37:50] <Cyprus> you probably still want to neuter it pretty hardcore though, maybe implement a pending mod approval state. Just make sure to except our resident conspiracy nut from it, or we'll never hear the end of it
[22:42:23] <paulej72> Lameness filter is lame (Your post is spam, you may want to get a new occupation)
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[23:43:23] <Cyprus> so that guy is almost first comment on every article now
[23:48:35] <paulej72> he is on another IP address now.
[23:49:50] <Cyprus> not suprising, ip address never was a good way to deal with that kind of stuff. too fluid
[23:49:50] <paulej72> Other comments on that IP are trollish as well
[23:50:19] <paulej72> hard to ban an AC anyother way
[23:51:48] <paulej72> but what is good I have a real user attached to this IP that seem to only moderate. all posts are done by AC
[23:52:11] <paulej72> and this user is a fan of over and under rated
[23:54:57] <paulej72> Might have a second user attched to the first.