#soylent | Logs for 2024-05-31
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[00:18:22] <chromas> https://www.fastcompany.com
[00:18:22] <systemd> ^ 03fastcompany.com
[00:18:51] <chromas> Websites rising against the bots by withholding titles
[00:19:52] <ted-ious> We must enrich our bots with our own human dna.
[02:55:29] <chromas> Right leaning DNA so they wield guns and beer instead of crumpets and tea
[02:55:58] <chromas> Or puberty blockers
[04:21:58] <Runaway1956> Hush chromas - we need more libruls to take puberty blockers for life!
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[12:28:38] <Ingar> has firefox replaced errors with error screens for babies ?
[12:29:25] <Ingar> "This site has stopped"
[12:29:33] <Ingar> what the fuck is that shit
[12:31:02] <Ingar> 403 apparently
[13:00:02] <fab23> hm, have not seen that yet
[13:11:39] <drussell> I run 115esr so have not seen that either. Why are they so hell-bent on destroying a once-great browser?!
[13:12:04] <drussell> The "mobilifaction" of everything continues apace...
[13:19:18] <janrinok> Could that be the 403 page being sent from the site itself, and not a problem with FF?
[13:21:02] <drussell> That's also possible.... I have no idea what Ingar is seeing. :)
[13:54:05] <Ingar> turns out it's an actual error page from the server
[13:54:17] <Ingar> when I loaded it in lynx, I could briefly sow the actual 403 error
[13:54:24] <Ingar> *briefly see
[13:54:40] <Ingar> but I did get some other baby error screens earlier this week
[13:55:22] <Ingar> my ISP went down and I got "You are not connected to the internet"
[13:56:13] <Ingar> I would have expected the good old timeout error messages
[13:56:55] <Ingar> (try http://www.verb2verbe.com for the 403)
[13:56:56] <systemd> ^ 03WAP Websites - This site is stopped
[13:56:59] <Ingar> :D
[13:58:00] <Ingar> I hope it comes back online because french conjugations are hell
[14:14:35] <janrinok> I know!
[14:27:00] <Freeman> Reminds me of the demise of effbot. :-( https://web.archive.org
[14:27:01] <systemd> ^ 03Events and Bindings
[14:27:18] <Freeman> The guy died and thus poof.
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[14:32:25] <ted-ious> What guy?
[15:39:30] <drussell> French class flashbacks... :-) Je suis, tu es, il est, elle est, nous sommes, vous êtes, ils sont, elles sont.... AAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhh!
[15:40:04] <janrinok> Now do it with the subjunctive case...
[15:40:19] <janrinok> ... and when do you use it?
[15:41:00] <janrinok> my brain is full - if I put something in, something else will fall out at the back
[15:42:22] <janrinok> useful clue: The French get it wrong quite often, but everyone knows what you are trying to say.
[15:42:49] <drussell> que je sois, tu sois, right?
[15:42:59] <drussell> I can't rember anymore...
[15:43:07] <janrinok> join the club...
[15:43:19] <drussell> I don't use it often, and I don't want the alphabet to fall off the other end of my brain! :)
[15:43:52] <janrinok> my problem exactly. Plus I am currently learning Docker and Go too.
[15:44:32] <drussell> What's the error code for " Brain full? " :-)
[15:44:40] <janrinok> Dump!
[15:44:43] <drussell> Overflow!
[16:02:25] <Freeman> Uh, the guy who's pet project was effbot.org. I forget his name. I might be able to find it.
[16:03:07] <Freeman> Fredrik Lundh
[16:03:27] <Freeman> https://lwn.net
[16:03:30] <systemd> ^ 03Mourning Fredrik "Effbot" Lundh
[17:28:33] <janrinok> French News is reporting that the Northern lights might be visible again tonight through until Monday if conditions are favourable.
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[19:05:29] <AlwaysNever> My bank - which operates online, it's ING - keeps sending me emails telling me how great their mobile app it; but I only use its web page. Am I missing something?
[19:06:30] <requerdanos> The app is perhaps a worse version of their webpage, where you can't scroll and where screens have less information and options?
[19:07:28] <AlwaysNever> theis web page has gone to shit lately, the have "simplified" it to the point I struggle to find things in it
[19:08:00] <requerdanos> making it more like the app, perhaps
[19:09:02] <AlwaysNever> I don't know their app, I don't trust the security of smartphones
[19:11:09] <AlwaysNever> they forced use of their mobile app as 2FA to enter their web page, I had to phone them several times to convince them so switch me to SMS for 2FA
[19:11:29] <AlwaysNever> Yes, I know SMS are easily hackable
[19:12:20] <AlwaysNever> still, I don't want their app on my phone
[19:13:40] <requerdanos> I do not understand the fascination with "apps".
[19:13:51] <AlwaysNever> I could accept a 2FA-only app for the bank, but NOT a full-blown bank-operating app on my phone
[19:14:21] <fab23> same for me, I don't want to be able to do banking on the phone
[19:24:24] <ted-ious> AlwaysNever: If your bank has a call center full of people to support mobile banking you can call and complain that their website is getting worse and you are considering moving your account to a competitor.
[19:24:41] <ted-ious> That kind of customer advocacy does work.
[19:39:56] <drussell> Sometimes... Other times they just say "but everybody uses it on mobile..."
[19:40:06] <drussell> Fuck that!
[19:41:05] <fab23> drussell: then just tell them that you just have a mobile phone but not a smartphone, because you like that the battery does last for 1 week
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[19:57:49] <ted-ious> Or you tell them that you are a cyber security engineer and that you won't use their app because you know it is vulnerable to attack.
[19:59:19] <ted-ious> Use cyber and other scary words and make them feel like it is a bad idea to make you unhappy. :)
[20:12:17] <drussell> No, I do that... My phone is a Nokia 5300 from 2006.
[20:12:28] <drussell> True.
[20:12:55] <drussell> Standby time is like 13 days, yeah.
[20:14:04] <drussell> I think this is the 9th battery.... haha
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[21:21:52] <aristarchus> jan has all but admitted that AzumiHazuki2.0 was Runaway. Tangled Web, etc, etc.
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[22:57:37] <chromas> WAP Website
[22:57:45] <chromas> So the wap went dry