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[00:01:56] <chromas2> hm it understands there's no point in saving because there's not going to be any loss
[00:02:01] <chromas2> it's becoming sentient
[00:02:02] <chromas2> maybe
[00:03:48] <AlwaysNever> system bugs find no mercy
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[01:32:45] <Runaway> AlwaysNever, has some badass joojoo voodoo
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[03:55:52] <chromas2> https://www.youtube.com
[03:55:53] <systemd> ^ 03COMMUNISM vs CAPITALISM: Who Made Better Power Tools?
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[04:49:37] <aristarchus> The Illusion of control is the chains of the bourgeoisie. Le petit bourgeoisie.
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[09:03:37] <Ingar> Without illusion of control, there would be no progress.
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[10:57:37] <aristarchus> With the illusion of control, there is no progress, either. This is why fascists and SN editors try to go back to the good old days, by the use of force.
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[11:48:27] <Ingar> non-sequitur
[11:49:05] <janrinok> Hi Ingar
[11:49:10] <Ingar> hi janrinok
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[16:15:16] <AlwaysNever> Anyone has used a nice, web-based, open-source, IT Asset Management app/tool without additional functionality?
[16:16:04] <ted-ious> A spreadsheet? :)
[16:16:05] <AlwaysNever> I've been looking at GLPI, but it is overkill, as it is a full ITIL management suite with support ticketing and many other things...
[16:16:47] <AlwaysNever> a spreadsheet is what is currently used... it works, but the information is in a "silo"
[16:17:43] <ted-ious> Putting it on the web might open up the silo a bit?
[16:18:07] <AlwaysNever> if the web tool is multiuser, yes
[16:18:41] <AlwaysNever> if it can slurp logins from LDAP, all the better
[16:20:04] <ted-ious> Multiuser meaning 2 people can edit the spreadsheet at the exact same time?
[16:20:28] <ted-ious> I think you'll need something more than libre office web for that.
[16:20:56] <AlwaysNever> looking for a web tool/app...
[16:21:26] <AlwaysNever> like GLPI, but smaller, more focused on only IT Asset Management...
[16:22:09] <ted-ious> Well you can put the spreadsheet on a wiki and let people manage it being downloaded and uploaded but that doesn't sound like a very good solution.
[16:22:20] <AlwaysNever> also, I am looking for people's experience with whatever tool, the "candidate" tools I already have research them in a "theoretical" level
[16:22:28] <ted-ious> That's why I asked what multiuser means to you.
[16:23:09] <AlwaysNever> Ideally, multiuser means several users with different permission levels
[16:23:26] <ted-ious> Ok but doing what?
[16:23:58] <AlwaysNever> looking at the data, updating the data or sectorions of the data, reporting on subsets of the data
[16:24:08] <ted-ious> If you need 3 people changing different cells at the exact same time you'll probably need google docs or something like it.
[16:24:09] <AlwaysNever> *or sections
[16:24:52] <AlwaysNever> Google docs does not cut it
[16:24:57] <ted-ious> But if only one person needs to be making changes at a time you can probably just put the spreadsheet on libre office's web.
[16:25:06] <AlwaysNever> also, it needs to be self-hosted
[16:27:01] <AlwaysNever> Anyone using an IT Asset Management tool, apart from spreadsheets? :-)
[16:42:51] <fab23> AlwaysNever: notes out of my 2Do.app regarding "Inventory / Asset Management" -> https://scratchy.ponz.ch (will be gone in 24 hours)
[16:42:53] <systemd> ^ 03PONZ IRC: Inventory / Asset Management
[16:45:43] <AlwaysNever> fab23: thanks
[16:46:04] <AlwaysNever> Snipe-IT is the most focused tool, in my research
[16:46:26] <AlwaysNever> but I would like to hear so battle stories about it
[16:49:55] <fab23> AlwaysNever: you may see the comments on the Hacker News posting
[17:20:26] <AlwaysNever> also this thread has suggestions: https://www.reddit.com
[17:20:26] <systemd> ^ 03Reddit - Dive into anything ( https://www.reddit.com )
[17:21:13] <AlwaysNever> snipe-it looks like where the open-source mindshare is for IT Asset Mgmt.
[17:22:08] * fab23 will be waiting for the journal entry from AlwaysNever regaring Snipe-IT :)
[17:50:54] <ted-ious> I hope nobody is too fond of eating hamburgers.
[17:50:54] <ted-ious> The war on beef has started.
[17:50:54] <ted-ious> https://www.woodtv.com
[17:50:55] <ted-ious> Notice that it doesn't say any cows were infected.
[17:50:55] <ted-ious> Which means they didn't test any cows.
[17:51:02] <systemd> ^ 03MDARD: 3 more dairy herds infected with bird flu
[17:51:27] <ted-ious> They did pcr tests on milk and found virus rna which of course means nothing because pcr is not a diagnostic for disease.
[17:54:29] <ted-ious> Farmers really need to stop feeding dead ground up chickens and their poop to cows anyway.
[17:54:52] <ted-ious> This just gives them a scary warning to knock it off.
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[19:51:16] <AlwaysNever> fab23: I don't have a journal about Snip-IT nor any other IT Asset Mgmt. tool, as I have personally tried none
[19:52:56] <AlwaysNever> My final assesment about IT Asset Mgmt. is that to be done properly, it needs a full tme person to handle it, and that means corporations of >1,000 people
[19:53:35] <AlwaysNever> So I will not persue it further, as I don't want to put a target on me as the IT Asset Mgmt. guy, LOL
[19:53:54] <ted-ious> Wouldn't that depend more on how many assets the company had not employees?
[19:53:58] <AlwaysNever> spreadsheet will have to do!
[19:54:35] <AlwaysNever> yes, I would depend on that
[19:55:08] <AlwaysNever> but generally speaking, IT Asset Mgmt. is done to track the devices used to "empower" knowledge workers
[19:55:57] <AlwaysNever> about 5 devices per head, more or less
[19:56:45] <AlwaysNever> and about five licences/subscription per head, too
[19:57:54] <ted-ious> Do you include desk and chair in that? :)
[19:57:55] <AlwaysNever> so 1,000 emplyes would mean 10,000 IT assets to track, plus servers and switches and printers, lets say 15,000 assets per 1,000 employess
[20:02:06] <chromas2> put some postgres tables together :D
[20:02:59] <ted-ious> I wonder if that's some kind of freepascal thingy for that.
[20:03:43] <ted-ious> Drag 6 buttons and text boxes into a form and it will pick the right widgets and write the code for your database app.
[20:04:05] <AlwaysNever> IT Asset Mgmt. is not only inventory management, it goes much further: asset depreciation, purchase order management, stoking of spares deemed to be needed, etc.
[20:04:56] <AlwaysNever> To be done properly, it need a IT Asset Mgmt. tool, but let them buy it in the market, LOL
[20:17:35] <chromas2> create a new system if they'll pay you to
[20:18:18] <chromas2> ted-ious: what's great about laz/delphi is the live data nonsense. Create a form with a DB interface and put in all the components you want to connect to it and you see the real data live as you work on it
[20:18:44] <ted-ious> Wow!
[20:30:34] <chromas2> Yeah I dunno why nobody else seems to be doing that
[20:30:53] <chromas2> I guess GUIs peaked in the 90s and now everything's a web page
[20:33:26] <ted-ious> Funny you say that.
[20:33:48] <ted-ious> I was just reading some hackernews yesterday about how web programming has ruined programmers.
[20:34:39] <ted-ious> Ok actually it was a few days ago and this article isn't brand new.
[20:34:40] <ted-ious> https://www.baldurbjarnason.com
[20:34:40] <systemd> ^ 03The deskilling of web dev is harming the product but, more importantly, it's damaging our health – this is why burnout happens
[20:34:53] <ted-ious> But it's interesting.
[20:57:24] <ted-ious> https://www.youtube.com
[20:57:25] <systemd> ^ 03A raccoon and a cat walk into a bar...
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