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[20:37:53] <cmn32480> .op
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[20:39:24] <separatrix> Test
[20:39:31] <separatrix> Ok I’m here
[20:42:36] <separatrix> One request at a time, people. The chair has to recognize someone’s motion first
[20:44:20] <separatrix> Technically, each addition to the agenda needs to be voted on, but the committee can allow additions by acclamation if no one objects
[20:47:51] <separatrix> The committee can invite the board to appear. The committee has no power to compel them.
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[20:53:34] <separatrix> Does AG want to be chair himself, or just to have an election for chair?
[20:54:15] <separatrix> The simple task here would be for the committee to entertain nominations for chair, then to elect a chair
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[20:55:03] <separatrix> But I’d point out that the board has confidence in its new member, and has given him authority to act on their behalf.
[20:56:08] <janrinok> It will all eventually come clear
[20:56:31] <requerdanos> the original motion for the committee included kolie being chair, but the restated motion that actually passed made no mention of a chair.
[20:56:33] <kolie> 3) The committee shall by chaired by myself and include at a minimum five other members to be valid.
[20:56:41] <separatrix> Is the committee only made up of “staff”?
[20:56:44] <kolie> Matt said procceed on points 3-6
[20:58:24] <separatrix> Janrinok, it really bothers me to declare all the efforts the committee has been making so far “formalities”
[20:58:56] <separatrix> And this distrust in kolie is beginning to border in the absurd
[20:59:39] <separatrix> If anything, his lack of presence on the future board is more reason to let him chair now
[21:00:24] <separatrix> You act like the staff are the only people who count, but you don’t say how to become staff
[21:00:49] <cmn32480> separatrix: becoming staff is simple. you volunteer.
[21:00:50] <janrinok> wait - more to come
[21:01:17] <aristarchus> Crossed the border of the absurd, already.
[21:01:22] <separatrix> I’ve been volunteering for weeks. How do I get credentialed??
[21:02:03] <separatrix> If janrinok or Audioguy become chair, I’m out
[21:02:28] <separatrix> I trust them with a lot, but not chairing this committee
[21:04:11] <separatrix> The vote for a replacement chair DOES have to happen now. Someone has to run the goddamn meeting. This is frustrating.
[21:04:26] <janrinok> I don't want to chair it. It should be a discussion not another formal meeting
[21:05:34] <separatrix> To chair the committee? Nonsense. It’s just someone to moderate the discussion. You need a chair.
[21:05:54] <separatrix> Someone should renominate kolie ffs
[21:06:50] <janrinok> are you biased?
[21:08:31] <aristarchus> Some are interested in the actual functioning of SN, and not this constant bickering.
[21:08:43] <separatrix> Biased? And you aren’t? Take away his vote. Or have a neutral chair.
[21:09:11] <janrinok> we haven't got a neutral chair who has agreed to do the job yet have we?
[21:09:33] <separatrix> Whom do you propose?
[21:09:56] <separatrix> Ah great someone has stepped up
[21:10:29] <separatrix> I’m not biased, Jan. I just don’t think kolie is the bad actor that you do.
[21:10:53] <separatrix> He was doing fine as chair. Nothing he did up to now was a conflict.
[21:12:18] <cmn32480> and I'm not biased.. I just want all our suffering to end
[21:13:04] <separatrix> Much obliged
[21:14:14] <cmn32480> quickly.
[21:15:50] <separatrix> There is no way in hell that Jan’s report can be digested in this meeting.
[21:16:32] <kolie> Well usually on reports we accept it and move on.
[21:16:46] <separatrix> I posted my template many days ago. The committee should have time to digest this.
[21:16:49] <ted-ious> Reports are supposed to be sent and read in advance and questioned during the meeting.
[21:17:11] <ted-ious> After questions there is a vote to accept or reject.
[21:17:11] <separatrix> Also, this is not a report. It’s a proposal.
[21:18:44] <ted-ious> There are lots of roberts rules videos on youtube and more overview documents out there than you can shake a stick at.
[21:19:26] <separatrix> Ugh, Jan.
[21:19:52] <separatrix> Who accredits the management group? Who says who gets to have a say?
[21:20:22] <separatrix> You’re asserting authority without a check for it — exactly what you’ve accused the board of.
[21:20:30] <ted-ious> It's also not proper to have discussion when a motion is laid on the table until it has been seconded or the chair vacates it due to lack of a second.
[21:20:50] <kolie> im not the chair and im not going to call them out on it.
[21:20:54] <kolie> It's just being obtuse at this point.
[21:21:22] <janrinok> They have all earned their places by doing the work for 9 years.
[21:21:25] <ted-ious> Well there's supposed to be a reason for either using roberts rules or not.
[21:21:27] <kolie> If they have items they want to build out and are prepared to do so - mission accomplished.
[21:21:34] <kolie> Everyones an equal on the committee.
[21:21:42] <kolie> Its not about agendas or personas. It's about merit of proposal.
[21:22:20] <kolie> The ideas I've been able to process in the document are great.
[21:22:21] <aristarchus> Not only not having an agenda, but not even following one?
[21:22:25] <kolie> And so I support bylaws written as such.
[21:22:33] <separatrix> Jan’s use of the word “delay” can be read to mean that delay is bad
[21:22:36] <kolie> aristarchus, This is item 4 on the agenda.
[21:23:30] <cmn32480> - Staff procedures and compilation of such by janrinok
[21:24:23] <separatrix> Committee members need to come to a meeting prepared so that discussions on only the points of potential conflict get discussed.
[21:24:47] <separatrix> This is just not a way to write an entire new set of bylaws.
[21:24:50] <janrinok> That is why it should be a discussion!
[21:26:51] <separatrix> Jan! How long should we expect to be here? I’m on a phone and can’t possibly process your report with the attention it deserves
[21:28:09] <janrinok> I should be in bed. How long do you need?
[21:29:29] <separatrix> a week!
[21:30:09] <separatrix> At least an hour! Where are your principles for notice?
[21:31:41] <separatrix> This is infuriatingly
[21:31:46] <separatrix> Infuriating
[21:31:49] <janrinok> This is the forum we decided upon
[21:32:06] <separatrix> You’re being willfully obtuse
[21:32:12] <janrinok> I was asked to report to this meeting
[21:32:51] <separatrix> I hope you’re not expecting the committee to accept your recommendations sight unseen
[21:33:29] <janrinok> No, I am suggesting new bylaws to be considered to address the current shortcomings.
[21:34:07] <separatrix> Isn’t that why everyone is here?
[21:34:42] <separatrix> Speaking of, I can’t stay I’ll have to rejoin in half an hour
[21:34:42] <janrinok> Yes, now they have something to think about and discuss
[21:35:02] <janrinok> OK understood. I do appreciate your involvement
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[22:43:53] <aristarchus> This was fun! [sarc]
[22:50:45] <aristarchus> Could we have a motion to adjourn?
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