#editorial | Logs for 2021-06-14

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[01:08:50] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[01:11:24] <mrpg> I;ll do How Far Back are Your First Memories? You May Have Been Younger Than You Think
[01:11:27] <mrpg> Ready
[01:16:24] <mrpg> Well as y`all are busy migrating servers and stuff, I`ll do NASA Selects New Science Investigations for Future Moon Deliveries
[01:17:10] <mrpg> Weird, this is the second time the submission has no link, is the bot acting up? I mean the sub domain is soylentnews.org and not nasa.gov (in this case)
[01:26:45] <mrpg> Story ready. My apostrophe key is not working. stupid lenovo laptop keyboard this laptop has 6 months.
[01:29:03] <mrpg> I''''ll do China's tech workers pushed to limits by surveillance software
[01:29:37] <halibut> Can you copy this apostrophe: ' and then just paste to get an apostrophe? On GNU/Linux systems, the sequence Ctrl-U 2 7 <space> will give an apostrophe. On Windows, I think holding down alt and typing either 27 or 39 on the keypad (I don't remember if it is decimal or hexadecimal) and releasing alt should give you an apostrophe.
[01:32:06] <halibut> Sorry -- Crtl-Shift-U for the GNU/Linux version, not just Ctrl-U (unless you interpret Ctrl-U to mean a capital U).
[01:32:53] <mrpg> '
[01:33:03] <mrpg> ctlr shit U worked thanks
[01:33:12] <mrpg> s/shit/shift/
[01:33:12] <SedBot> <mrpg> ctlr shift U worked thanks
[01:34:24] <halibut> That's a general Unicode input mode. 27 is the hex ASCII (and therefore also Unicode) code for an apostrophe. If you know the hexadecimal number for any value, you can generate the character using that method. The <space> at the end terminates the number.
[01:37:52] <halibut> You are welcome.
[01:38:00] <mrpg> I used to use them when I had to write in Spanish in an English keyboard.
[01:38:16] <mrpg> Chinese workers story ready, no more for today.
[01:46:42] <mrpg> Ok no more stories, waiting for the migration at 7 utc, good luck!
[02:06:48] <Bytram> mrpg: thank YOU!
[02:07:07] <Bytram> it *looks* like the migration completed
[02:07:40] <Deucalion> According to Linode it did.
[02:07:46] <mrpg> Thank you JESUS
[02:07:54] <mrpg> Thank you linode
[02:08:53] <Deucalion> They have no visibility on what is running so we may have our own inconsistencies.
[02:13:46] <Deucalion> mrpg, mr impatient here (me) pulled the trigger on the 7 utc migration of fluorine ahead of time as it seemed we were as near quorum as we can be.
[02:14:20] <Deucalion> As in people actively bleating who could do something if it all went to shit.
[02:14:48] <Deucalion> That would not necessarily a few hours hence.
[02:14:48] <mrpg> Good thinking, 7utc is 4am here.
[02:15:05] <Deucalion> 7utc is 8am here
[02:16:40] <Deucalion> I'll be snoring then. Not that I can fix anything on the server in question as I am not a god :)
[02:17:06] <Bytram> Deucalion++
[02:17:07] <Bender> karma - deucalion: 11
[02:18:16] <Deucalion> Like a hang nail.... just get it over with.... it'll hurt... it'll hurt more the longer it is left...
[02:18:24] <Bytram> as it is, this is past my bedtime, so the scheduled migration would be even more so.
[02:18:39] <Deucalion> my point exactly
[02:18:40] <Bytram> ... right (!)
[02:19:37] <mrpg> teamwork++
[02:19:37] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 293
[02:19:50] <mrpg> Deucalion++
[02:19:50] <Bender> karma - deucalion: 12
[02:20:33] <mrpg> 1 karma equals 0.9 BAT equals 0.7$
[02:23:33] <Bytram> Deucalion++
[02:23:33] <Bender> karma - deucalion: 13
[02:23:46] <mrpg> https://www.youtube.com
[02:23:48] <systemd> ^ 03Airplane! Coffee Scene: The Original and the Spoof
[02:24:19] <mrpg> All this migration work made me hungry, im gonna fix me up some pasta.
[02:24:39] <mrpg> Pasta and bread, carbs for the win!
[02:24:42] <mrpg> carbs++
[02:24:42] <Bender> karma - carbs: 1
[02:25:38] <mrpg> migration, migrants, inmigrants, there`s a joke there somewhere.
[02:25:40] <Deucalion> please stop ++ me - I clicked an option on a webpage.... it'd be someone else's problem if it went tits up after that.
[02:26:01] <mrpg> are you japanese?! thats exsctly what one would say
[02:26:32] <mrpg> You cook so good --oh no, the microwave did it all.
[02:26:49] <mrpg> HTML5++
[02:26:49] <Bender> karma - html5: 1
[02:27:01] <mrpg> linode++
[02:27:01] <Bender> karma - linode: 1
[02:27:08] <mrpg> Virtualization++
[02:27:08] <Bender> karma - virtualization: 1
[02:27:13] <Deucalion> That's a preeeety broad brush you wield of stereotype of all Japanese people mrpg
[02:27:42] <mrpg> :)
[02:58:16] <Bytram> that does it for me; have a great night everybody!
[03:16:17] <mrpg> you too bye
[03:19:55] <Fnord666> Good night Bytram
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[04:55:35] <aristarchus> Mimetical Runaway Subs is now a thing! Thank you, admins, for removing the incentive!
[05:03:26] <aristarchus> =submit Some dogs are Soylentils https://eu.usatoday.com
[05:03:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Postal Service Announces 5,800 Employees Were Attacked by Dogs in 2020" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:04:51] <aristarchus> =submit Tech = Gaming? Cards? https://www.youtube.com
[05:04:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy Gameplay Trailer" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:06:49] <aristarchus> =submit For khallow https://www.tmz.com
[05:06:51] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Billie Eilish Fans Having Meltdown Over 'Queerbaiting' Accusations" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:08:39] <aristarchus> =submit Separation of church and state or stupid and science? https://edition.cnn.com
[05:08:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03She's a Priest. You'll Never Guess Her Other Job" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:57:23] <aristarchus> =submit Burning in Hell https://www.salon.com
[05:57:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Salon.com" (74p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:18:33] <aristarchus> =submit And, it is true https://www.rawstory.com
[06:18:36] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03'People are Sometimes Sticky': John Oliver Explains to Magnetic Vaccine Nuts Why Keys Stick to Them" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:21:15] <aristarchus> =submit Flying with the Trump Crazies https://www.rawstory.com
[06:21:17] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Columnist Blames Trumpism for Airplane Passenger Freakouts Increasing 20 Times Higher Than Normal" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:21:45] <chromas> lol
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[06:34:19] <chromas> test https://www.salon.com
[06:34:20] <systemd> ^ 03Trump's army of God: Doug Mastriano and the Christian nationalist attack on democracy
[06:34:22] <chromas> yays
[06:34:35] <chromas> titles should work more betterer now
[06:34:44] <chromas> even if they're just TDS
[12:47:35] <Bytram> chromas++
[12:47:35] <Bender> karma - chromas: 210
[12:47:42] <Bytram> =cite https://www.nature.com
[12:47:43] <systemd> Journal Reference: Azalia Mirhoseini, Anna Goldie, Mustafa Yazgan, et al. A graph placement methodology for fast chip design, <cite>Nature</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-021-03544-w">10.1038/s41586-021-03544-w</a>)
[12:50:44] <Bytram> =cite https://arxiv.org
[12:50:46] <systemd> Journal Reference: Goldie, Anna, Mirhoseini, Azalia. Placement Optimization with Deep Reinforcement Learning, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.08445">https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.08445</a>)
[12:53:03] <Bytram> =cite arxiv.org/abs/2003.08445
[12:53:04] <systemd> Journal Reference: Page Not Found, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/arxiv.org/abs/2003.08445">arxiv.org/abs/2003.08445</a>)
[12:53:13] <Bytram> +(
[12:53:18] <Bytram> =(
[13:01:27] <Bytram> chromas++ ^^^ The second of the 3 above cites was directly to the article, but the generated URL contained *two* instances of: "https://". But, when I left out the "https://" when I invoked =cite, it could not find it. Maybe it has something to do with being a reference to arXiv? Although one *could* strip duplicated "https://" strings, I wonder if there are cases where the new URL would point to a non-existent location? At least, in
[13:01:27] <Bender> karma - chromas: 211
[13:01:27] <Bytram> this case, invalid URL is obviously invalid! The *last* thing I'd want is it to generate a valid-looking, but incorrect, URL. Not complaining as I realize this is a fuzzy area; just pointing out a case I've seen before and hoping this might jog an idea of how to deal with conflicting circumstances. It is *so* useful, I've come to rely on it and it works so well so often!
[13:02:46] <Bytram> https://arxiv.org
[13:02:48] <systemd> ^ 03Placement Optimization with Deep Reinforcement Learning
[13:02:53] <Bytram> =)
[15:02:55] <Bytram> gtg; laters!
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[20:45:39] <chromas> Bytram: when there's no http[s]:// it assumes it's a DOI, and makes it a reference to doi.org
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[20:59:08] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[22:02:00] <Bytram> chromas: thanks for that! Hmmm. Thinking out loud... I noticed systemd use different colors when, given a URL, it reports a title... maybe output the =cite results in green when the reported DOI URL is valid?
[22:02:20] <chromas> it doesn't check for validity
[22:02:57] <Bytram> "Left as an exercise for the user"?
[22:03:13] <Bytram> =)
[22:18:44] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[22:18:46] <systemd> Journal Reference: Redirecting, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.fsidi.2021.301175">10.1016/j.fsidi.2021.301175</a>)
[22:19:13] <chromas> el_savior--
[22:19:13] <Bender> karma - el_savior: -2
[22:19:23] <chromas> =cite https://www.sciencedirect.com
[22:19:24] <systemd> Journal Reference: A hierarchy of expert performance (HEP) applied to digital forensics: Reliability and biasability in digital forensics decision making [open], <cite>Forensic Science International: Digital Investigation</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.fsidi.2021.301175">10.1016/j.fsidi.2021.301175</a>)
[22:19:49] <chromas> I wonder if they're using a javascript redirect
[22:20:07] <Bytram> chromas++ How'd you *do* that?
[22:20:07] <Bender> karma - chromas: 212
[22:20:26] <chromas> opened the link in browser
[22:20:42] <chromas> hm, even with all js disabled it still works, but also whines about no js
[22:20:44] <Bytram> okay, and then what?
[22:20:56] <chromas> it redirects to sciencedirect.com
[22:21:02] <chromas> so I just copied the link from the address bar
[22:21:03] <Bytram> yup
[22:21:51] <Bytram> but how did you get it all nicely formatted as a "cite" ??
[22:21:52] <chromas> something about the redirect from doi.org to sciencedirect.com seems to work fine in browsers but not in bots
[22:25:33] <chromas> the =cite command just follows the url and tries to extract the info, so you can just put in the sciencedirect or whatever link in. for reasons unknown, the bot won't go from doi.org to sciencedirect.com. Also, if you use =cite with a non-url then it assumes it's a DOI and prefixes the string with "https://doi.org/"
[22:25:34] <systemd> ^ 03Error: DOI Not Found
[22:27:09] <AzumaHazuki> there, almost all packed :) just one more load of laundry to dry/fold and a few toiletries, and i'm good to move tomorrow
[22:27:50] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki++ Glad to hear! Moving can be a pain.
[22:27:50] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 11
[22:28:22] <AzumaHazuki> i'm looking forward to this. it will give me a little stability, if only just for a year or so, and i can make sure my mother's taken care of
[22:30:41] <Bytram> At the end of the day, if I can honestly look back and say that I helped someone and the world is a better place for me being in it... it makes it a lot easier to get a good night's sleep and look forward to tomorrow.
[22:32:05] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, it does. though it gets really disheartening sometimes knowing so many people don't
[22:33:53] <Bytram> yup. just as nobody can really *make* me change, it's an exercise in frustration if I try to make someone else change.
[23:38:51] <Bytram> =cite https://www.livescience.com
[23:38:52] <systemd> Journal Reference: Will humans ever learn to speak whale?, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/https://www.livescience.com/can-humans-understand-whales.html">https://www.livescience.com/can-humans-understand-whales.html</a>)
[23:41:26] <Bytram> =g "Individual, unit and vocal clan level identity cues in sperm whale codas"
[23:41:27] <systemd> https://royalsocietypublishing.org - Individual, unit and vocal clan level identity cues in sperm whale codas
[23:41:40] <Bytram> okaaay
[23:41:45] <Bytram> =cite https://royalsocietypublishing.org
[23:41:47] <systemd> Journal Reference: Individual, unit and vocal clan level identity cues in sperm whale codas, <cite>Royal Society Open Science</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rsos.150372">https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rsos.150372</a>)
[23:42:19] <Bytram> ^^^ "https://doi.org/https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/abs/10.1098/rsos.150372"
[23:42:54] <Bytram> https://royalsocietypublishing.org
[23:42:55] <systemd> ^ 03Individual, unit and vocal clan level identity cues in sperm whale codas ( https://royalsocietypublishing.org )