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[01:50:04] <Bytram> requerdanos: wb! glad yore feeling bettor!
[01:50:37] <requerdanos> Thanks.
[01:55:12] <Bytram> No, thank you! We'd had a small stream of editor volunteers in the past who'd stay for varying stints and then rapidly lost interest. You were conspicuous from your absence -- you've jumped in and made a real contribution to the team right from the start!
[01:56:53] <Bytram> Enough so that I could slack off somewhat and start getting my head screwed back on straight[-ish].
[01:57:23] <requerdanos> I am glad to be helpful. Sorry for disappearing.
[01:57:34] <requerdanos> It's a specialty of mine from time to time.
[02:01:17] <Bytram> np, it's wintertime and I tend to get SAD at some point. Naturally pull back from whatever is [or seems] overwhelming.
[02:02:14] <Bytram> teamwork++
[02:02:14] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 271
[02:03:01] <Bytram> gotyour6++
[02:03:01] <Bender> karma - gotyour6: 1
[02:06:04] <requerdanos> a couple more editors doing a couple stories a day and it would *really* ease off
[02:12:40] <Bytram> requerdanos: agreed! If you happen on a comment that suggests a good grasp of English and a, for lack of a better word, "demeanor" that you think might be a fit for our team, *please* PM me!
[02:39:37] * Bytram 2nds: https://soylentnews.org
[02:48:41] <Bytram> done
[02:48:55] * Bytram 2nds https://soylentnews.org
[02:51:10] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[02:51:11] <systemd> ^ 03New Catalyst Moves Seawater Desalination, Hydrogen Production Closer to Commercialization - SoylentNews
[02:51:19] <Bytram> done
[02:51:41] <Bytram> next: https://soylentnews.org
[02:51:43] <systemd> ^ 03In a World First, Physicists Narrow Down The Possible Mass of Dark Matter - SoylentNews
[02:54:00] <Bytram> done!
[02:54:05] <Bytram> Next: https://soylentnews.org
[02:54:07] <systemd> ^ 03Exoplanetary System Found With 6 Worlds in Orbital Resonance - SoylentNews
[02:57:36] <Bytram> =asub https://scitechdaily.com
[02:57:39] <systemd> Submitting "First Evidence That Earth’s Magnetosphere Can Create Water on the Moon’s Surface"...
[02:58:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03First Evidence That Earth’s Magnetosphere Can Create Water on the Moon’s Surface" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:07:18] <Bytram> =asub https://scitechdaily.com
[03:07:21] <systemd> Submitting "Surprisingly Fast Transport in Carbon Nanotube Membranes Could Advance Human Health"...
[03:07:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Surprisingly Fast Transport in Carbon Nanotube Membranes Could Advance Human Health" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:12:54] <Bytram> =asub from the something-to-think-about dept. https://scitechdaily.com
[03:12:57] <systemd> Submitting "Extreme Events in Quantum Cascade Lasers Enable an Optical Neuron System 10,000× Faster Than Biological Neurons"...
[03:13:19] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Extreme Events in Quantum Cascade Lasers Enable an Optical Neuron System 10,000× Faster Than Biolog" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:16:14] <Bytram> =sub from the why-not-use-it-before-a-heart-attack dept.
[03:16:14] <systemd> Bytram, 04submit failed: No URL.
[03:17:23] <Bytram> =sub from the why-not-use-it-before-a-heart-attack dept. https://scitechdaily.com
[03:17:27] <systemd> Submitting "Heart Recovery After Heart Attack Mapped in Great Detail"...
[03:17:29] <Bytram> Doh!
[03:17:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Heart Recovery After Heart Attack Mapped in Great Detail" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:19:20] <Bytram> =sub from the take-a-deep-breath dept. https://scitechdaily.com
[03:19:23] <systemd> Submitting "Novel Molecules Discovered to Combat Asthma and COVID-Related Lung Diseases"...
[03:19:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Novel Molecules Discovered to Combat Asthma and COVID-Related Lung Diseases" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:21:54] <Bytram> .
[05:22:04] <Bytram> Updating Beg-o-Meter
[05:31:34] <Bytram> mysql> select max(spid), max(ts), sum(payment_net), 100.0 * sum(payment_net) / 3500.00 from subscribe_payments where ts > '2021-01-01' ;
[05:31:34] <Bytram> +-----------+---------------------+------------------+------------------------------------+
[05:31:34] <Bytram> | max(spid) | max(ts) | sum(payment_net) | 100.0 * sum(payment_net) / 3500.00 |
[05:31:34] <Bytram> +-----------+---------------------+------------------+------------------------------------+
[05:31:34] <Bytram> | 1523 | 2021-01-29 10:34:56 | 488.76 | 13.9645714 |
[05:31:36] <Bytram> +-----------+---------------------+------------------+------------------------------------+
[05:31:38] <Bytram> 1 row in set (0.01 sec)
[05:31:40] <Bytram> mysql>
[05:31:48] <Bytram> Update completed.
[06:55:51] <Bytram> Gak! Can't believe it's this late and I'm still up!
[06:56:12] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody!
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[13:22:16] <requerdanos> =cite https://www.nature.com
[13:22:18] <systemd> Journal Reference: Melissa R. Marselle, Diana E. Bowler, Jan Watzema, et al. Urban street tree biodiversity and antidepressant prescriptions [open], <cite>Scientific Reports</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-020-79924-5">10.1038/s41598-020-79924-5</a>)
[13:49:20] <requerdanos> You know, a good list to mine for potential editors might be the HOF submitters, excluding current editors and bots might reveal those who are already partially involved with the work of getting stories to the site
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[14:56:32] <Bytram> requerdanos: good thinking. A quick glance does not reveal any obvious candidates -- will need to take some time to review how active they've been lately as I see some listed that I've not seen on the site for months.
[14:57:32] <requerdanos> with your mad database skills, I figure you can dive deeper into the list than just what's on the HOF page itself.
[14:59:09] <chromas> not many people left when you cull the bots from the subs list :'(
[14:59:21] <chromas> canopic jug is the only one I can think of
[14:59:33] <Bytram> appreciate the vote of confidence, but just following the link to each user's details page is good enough for a first pass.
[15:00:06] <Bytram> and ihsi has not access the site since 2020-11-11
[15:02:49] <Bytram> chromas: Unrelated, but I took another stab at hibernating my laptop... very strange.
[15:04:36] <Bytram> Somehow the swapfile I'd created was no longer recognized by the system (missing from: sudo swapon --show)
[15:04:59] <Bytram> Was also missing from the system monitor
[15:05:29] <Bytram> Added it back in: sudo swapon /swap1
[15:06:17] <Bytram> now showing back up again in sudo swapon --show and also in the system monitor
[15:06:21] <Bytram> yay!
[15:06:55] <Bytram> sudo systemctl hibernate
[15:07:34] <Bytram> screen blacked out, flashed a bit, and then everything went quiet.
[15:07:51] <Bytram> waited about 10 seconds and hit the power button
[15:07:59] <Bytram> came up asking for my password
[15:08:04] <Bytram> gave password
[15:08:13] <Bytram> and nothing was saved
[15:08:47] <Bytram> it looked as if I did a hard shutdown and starup.
[15:09:02] <chromas> anything in the systemd journal?
[15:09:28] <Bytram> looking at things now, the swapfile is no longer listed in sudo swapon --show
[15:09:39] <Bytram> not in system monitor either
[15:09:45] <Bytram> dunno
[15:09:46] <chromas> makes sense if it didn't resume
[15:09:50] <Bytram> how to xheck?
[15:09:54] <Bytram> brb
[15:11:13] <chromas> journalctl
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[15:19:09] <Bytram> back
[15:19:13] <Bytram> sorry about that!
[15:20:14] <Bytram> sudo journalctl --help shows *lots* of choices
[15:20:56] <chromas> you don't need sudo for help
[15:21:06] <Bytram> k
[15:21:28] <Bytram> but it does shut off the prompting for a while =)
[15:21:30] <chromas> if you run the command with no parameters then it should just present the journal in a scrollable pager (usually the less command)
[15:21:39] <Bytram> k
[15:22:52] <chromas> you can specify boots with the -b switch. -b will show the current boot, -b-1 will shw the previous, so if you do that and scroll to the end (or use -e) then anything just before the shutdown should show up there
[15:23:56] <chromas> Actually, I'm not sure if journalctl needs root at all. Maybe for speshul operations
[15:24:04] * Bytram tries to remember date/time I'm looking for
[15:24:45] <Bytram> hmmm
[15:25:18] <Bytram> you got some time available? How about I re-enable swap and do a fresh attempt?
[15:25:46] <requerdanos> "Why oh why didn't I take the *blue* pill"
[15:25:49] <chromas> You can specify a unit to limit the log view to, though I dunno what unit is responsible for hibernation since I don't use it
[15:26:07] <chromas> requerdanos: you were enticed by the hard life
[15:26:08] <Bytram> k
[15:26:24] <chromas> Yeah I'll be around for a bit
[15:26:35] <Bytram> chromas++
[15:26:35] <Bender> karma - chromas: 190
[15:26:54] <Bytram> let me close down a couple things
[15:27:16] <chromas> you could use one of the other laps for testing
[15:29:03] <Bytram> nope. Huey is ubuntu. Louie needs some BIOS-successor-thingy tweaking
[15:29:33] <chromas> efi?
[15:29:35] <Bytram> saving for later: mysql> select max(spid), max(ts), sum(payment_net), 100.0 * sum(payment_net) / 3500.00 from subscribe_payments where ts > '2021-01-01' ;
[15:30:40] <Bytram> PASTE-BEGIN
[15:30:44] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$ sudo swapon
[15:30:44] <Bytram> [sudo] password for martyb:
[15:30:44] <Bytram> NAME TYPE SIZE USED PRIO
[15:30:44] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~$
[15:30:51] <Bytram> PASTE-END
[15:30:59] <Bytram> yep, that's the one
[15:32:11] <Bytram> Hmm, I still have the original swapfile....
[15:32:13] <Bytram> wait...
[15:32:32] <Bytram> wasn't pasted in: /dev/dm-1 partition 976M 347.4M -2
[15:33:13] <Bytram> should be able to have multiple swap files, so no need to delete it, correct?
[15:33:41] <Bytram> .
[15:33:41] <Bytram> sudo swapon /swap1
[15:34:00] <Bytram> sudo swapon
[15:34:18] <Bytram> now shows this added: /swap1 file 16G 0B -3
[15:35:19] <Bytram> system monitor now shows swap increased from 1 GiB to 17 GiB
[15:35:46] <requerdanos> adding swaps manually with swapon is unlikely to cause hibernation to work
[15:36:32] <Bytram> Oh? pls tell me more!
[15:36:33] <chromas> I'm not sure about TuxOnIce but normally you have to pass a parameter into the kernel to tell it where to find the swap file
[15:36:50] <requerdanos> feed "hibernation kernel parameter" into your fave search engine
[15:37:37] <Bytram> copied
[15:38:42] <Bytram> browser started and DDG loaded
[15:38:53] <Bytram> only one item found.
[15:39:02] <Bytram> https://bbs.archlinux.org
[15:39:03] <systemd> ^ 03[Solved] boot loader kernel parameter device naming convention / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums
[15:39:05] <requerdanos> sorry, without the quotes
[15:39:09] <Bytram> k
[15:40:17] * Bytram sees entry for arch linuc, microsoft, etc.
[15:42:09] <Bytram> tried new DDG search: hibernation kernel parameter Ubuntu
[15:42:24] <Bytram> this looks very different: https://askubuntu.com
[15:42:25] <systemd> ^ 03How to enable hibernate option in Ubuntu 20.04?
[15:43:07] <Bytram> bah, coffee catching up with me
[15:43:10] <Bytram> bian
[15:43:12] <Bytram> biab
[15:43:46] <requerdanos> that article does describe the kernel parameter that specifies where to hibernate from.
[15:43:48] <chromas> coffee.io
[15:44:47] <requerdanos> the step where it has you grepping swap in your /etc/fstab means that these instructions assume you have a swap partition configured in your /etc/fstab
[15:45:16] <requerdanos> which tbh is probably the most-likely-to-work-right-off option as I understand it
[15:46:06] <requerdanos> whenever I see the phrase "swap file" I hear in my head "sounds good, doesn't work"
[15:46:37] <requerdanos> a swap partition, on the other hand, has a uuid you can feed into those instructions
[15:48:13] <chromas> Bigger swap partition would be ideal, but he'd have to move all his goat porn off the ssd to resize it
[15:48:30] <chromas> I wonder about resizing / and putting a new swap partition at the end though
[15:49:51] <chromas> Must've been a lot of coffee
[15:50:08] <requerdanos> "system rescue CD" is a bootable gentoo(?) with gparted that I use to do that kind of thing
[15:50:33] <Bytram> prior doc I had found suggested against a swap partition and recommended having a swap file in Ubuntu 18+
[15:51:45] <chromas> Never heard of such a recommendation
[15:52:13] <chromas> using a file for hibernation requires extra work
[15:52:48] * Bytram feels like such a noob here... aand to think I was instrumental in testing IBMs VM/CMS OS update that completely revamped their swap/paging system!
[15:53:28] * Bytram knows *what* I want to do -- just struggling to fnd the correct incantations
[15:53:52] <requerdanos> do you know why you are using LVM?
[15:54:12] <Bytram> Linux Virtual Machine?
[15:54:20] <chromas> Well basically you have to find the offset in bytes of your swap file and pass that in in your grub so linux knows where to look for swap
[15:54:22] <requerdanos> logical volume manager?
[15:54:41] <chromas> He used the default Ubuntu installer settings so his swap file is too smol
[15:54:46] <Bytram> oh, very vaguely.
[15:54:52] <Bytram> chromas++
[15:54:52] <Bender> karma - chromas: 191
[15:55:02] <chromas> wasn't me
[15:55:22] * Bytram just followed instructions and took defaults where I could.
[15:55:50] <chromas> LVM should mean it's easier to resize stuff but I'ven't really used it so I probably couldn't help much
[15:56:02] <Bytram> Why it created a swap file, of 1 GiB, on a system with 4 GiB RAM totally escapes me.
[15:56:04] <chromas> I just know they have more commands for it than Debian's package manager
[15:56:09] <requerdanos> if it was me, and it isn't, and hibernation ability were an important goal (rather than, say, saving your session or whatever), I would blow away, reinstall, and set up the partitions manually without lvm and set a nice big swap partition to hibernate to
[15:56:28] <Bytram> hmmm
[15:57:18] <chromas> Yeah, reinstalling is the best option. You sure you don't have access to a desktop pc you could borrow to do the file transfers?
[15:58:39] <Bytram> to *me*, "hibernate" means the current system "state" -- all running programs, window sizes, settings, history -- *everything* is saved away and the system powered down. Resuming from hibernation means *all* prior state is restored. (making allowances for date/time, internet connection, and the like)
[15:59:28] <requerdanos> saving session wouldn't do that. it might reopen applications in the same window location, but it would be staring them fresh
[15:59:32] <Bytram> it takes about ~6 hour to backup my 1 TB SSD over USB
[15:59:49] <chromas> that's why you need a desktop; it's faster
[15:59:55] <chromas> unless you have usb 3
[16:00:01] <Bytram> so... is what I am describing what YOU understand hibernation to be?
[16:00:16] <requerdanos> what you are describing is what I understand hibernation to be, yes.
[16:00:21] <Bytram> or should I be looking for something else?
[16:00:23] <requerdanos> everything magically back as if it never happened.
[16:00:26] <chromas> I think he's differentiating hibernation from desktop session saving
[16:00:33] <Bytram> 'zactly
[16:03:52] <Bytram> to me: "suspend" preserve the state-of-everything in ram and go into a lower-power system state; "hibernation" means save to non-volatile storage (e.g. disk) and then power off completely. Either way, resuming after suspend/hibernate should basically restore me to exactly the same way things were (with allowances for clock, IP address, and any other ephemeral items)
[16:05:23] <Bytram> those are the concepts I am aware of... except with a VM, one can take (one or more) snapshots of current state that can be resumed later
[16:05:34] <requerdanos> in my far from complete experience, the following things complicate hibernation: Swap file, LVM
[16:06:01] <requerdanos> The following things encourage it: Swap partition, using bare partitions instead of LVM
[16:10:12] <Bytram> the difference between talking straight to disk (whatever kind or capability) vs talking though a filesystem (of whatever kind or capability) -- different "abstractions" to refer to (1) the place where things are kept and (2) how to "talk" to it.
[16:10:48] <requerdanos> And, also what's available when. At boot time, partitions exist, but files don't because their filesystems have to be mounted.
[16:12:01] <Bytram> yes, agreed
[16:14:21] <Bytram> btw, I get 15 GB per month of bandwidth, with up to 1 GB grace, for tethering/MiFi. I am currently at 15.06 GB. I can, supposedly, call my phone provider and get 10 more GB for $10, and I am supposed to be able to go back afterwards, but have never tried it.
[16:15:08] <requerdanos> and a file doesn't exist until its filesystem is mounted, but the filesystem doesn't exist until its partition exists, and if it's a logical partition, then that doesn't even exist until LVM is initialized, etc...
[16:15:20] <requerdanos> yikes, I am at many terabytes of unlimited for the month
[16:17:11] <requerdanos> my wife just finished this morning's download of about 60GB in games that I am to work on installing on her computer while she is out.
[16:17:17] <Bytram> it's only like another $10 on my cell phone bill each month to have the initial 15 GB. I don't watch TV. So getting cable TV/Internet (my only other option) would run me ~$100/month.
[16:18:02] <requerdanos> yeah, we have only the cable modem, but it's $50/month for the cheapest option, and $100/month for the 300mbit (which is what we have)
[16:18:04] <chromas> What if you get cable sans tv?
[16:18:24] <Bytram> The extra speed and bandwidth would be nice, but not worth the price to me.
[16:18:44] <requerdanos> cable + (cheapest standard basic) TV was some obscene figure, like $175 a month
[16:19:11] <requerdanos> lots of companies want to provide you DSL for $20 a month in most places
[16:19:39] <Bytram> The *advertised* price is like $49.98 each, when bought together... plus taxes and feels and whatever other crap they can think of sticking in there.
[16:19:55] <Bytram> s/l//2
[16:19:55] <SedBot> <Bytram> The *advertised* price is like $49.98 each, when bought together... pus taxes and feels and whatever other crap they can think of sticking in there.
[16:20:00] <Bytram> s/l//3
[16:20:00] <SedBot> <Bytram> The *advertised* price is like $49.98 each, when bought together... plus taxes and fees and whatever other crap they can think of sticking in there.
[16:20:19] <requerdanos> yeah they are great crapstickers, no argument there
[16:20:25] <Bytram> it costs more for "bare" internet
[16:21:14] <Bytram> so, I'm looking at ~70/month
[16:21:45] <Bytram> fwiw, it would be thru Spectrum
[16:21:50] <chromas> Are you sure your lap doesn't have an msata slot or something?
[16:21:53] <requerdanos> maybe you should call earthlink or somebody about that $20 dsl :)
[16:24:06] <Bytram> d/l of video (e.g. anything from youtube) and I'm rate-limited to ~500 KB/s, max. I've seen it drop to as slow as ~50KB/sec on extended downloads. OTOH, a Ubuntu update was running > 1 MB/s
[16:25:38] <chromas> Yay, traffic shaping!
[16:25:55] <Bytram> stopping and restarting youtube-dl usually gets my speed back up until I've pulled a few MB, and then it gradually throttles down again.
[16:26:07] <chromas> Just think, with that $70/mo you could be torrenting all the Ubuntu ISOs all day long!
[16:27:07] <chromas> I know Charter used to have a $20/mo option, but I dunno if your Spectrum is Charter or that other guy
[16:27:43] <Bytram> It was pretty bad after x-mass with new subscribers stuffing the tower, but they seem to have mostly compensated since then (Or... I just have not noticed lately)
[16:28:47] <Bytram> I seriously doubt it would actually be unlimited on Spectrum.
[16:29:59] <chromas> well sure, they don't sell infinite internet :)
[16:30:47] <Bytram> I think I'll just sit on things as they are for now, and consider revisiting things after February 3.
[16:31:03] <Bytram> thanks guys!
[16:31:09] <Bytram> chromas++
[16:31:09] <Bender> karma - chromas: 192
[16:31:14] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[16:31:14] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 27
[16:31:23] <Bytram> teamwork++
[16:31:23] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 272
[16:31:35] <chromas> What happens then?
[16:31:51] <chromas> billing cycle?
[16:32:15] <Bytram> Start of new billing period, and another 15 GB
[16:32:29] <chromas> You don't need to use data to reinstall
[16:32:40] <chromas> I guess you'd need it for updates but you could put those off 'til later
[16:33:34] <Bytram> and to re-apply all the updates from that base install? Yeah, I think I do.
[16:34:23] <Bytram> Gives me more to think about!
[16:34:30] <Bytram> thanks again~
[16:34:34] <chromas> all you have to do is copy the files from your package cache now so you can paste them in later and update that way :D
[17:05:37] <Bytram> I believe some of that has already been cleaned up. :/
[17:18:47] <chromas> Do you have an s2disk command?
[17:19:44] <Bytram> :: /usr/sbin/s2disk
[17:24:01] <Bytram> phone call, afk for a while
[17:28:15] <chromas> the man page doesn't seem to be helpful, but you could be able to use the swap-offset command to get the offset of your swap file (/swap1) and then pass that into s2disk to suspend
[20:15:09] <requerdanos> =cite DOI: 10.3847/2041-8213/abd559
[20:15:09] <systemd> Journal Reference: 
[20:15:10] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[20:15:26] <requerdanos> =cite DOI: 10.3847/2041-8213/abd559
[20:15:26] <systemd> Journal Reference: 
[20:15:26] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[20:15:46] <requerdanos> =cite https://iopscience.iop.org
[20:15:48] <systemd> Journal Reference: Earth Wind as a Possible Exogenous Source of Lunar Surface Hydration - IOPscience, <cite>The Astrophysical Journal Letters</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/abd559">https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/abd559</a>)
[20:24:16] <requerdanos> so many interesting failure modes
[20:32:04] <chromas> =cite 10.3847/2041-8213/abd559
[20:32:06] <systemd> Journal Reference: Earth Wind as a Possible Exogenous Source of Lunar Surface Hydration - IOPscience, <cite>The Astrophysical Journal Letters</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.3847/2041-8213/abd559">10.3847/2041-8213/abd559</a>)
[20:32:27] <chromas> it's the "DOI: " that throws it off I think
[20:32:32] <requerdanos> I meant the no-authors and the DOI link, sorry
[20:32:38] <chromas> ah
[20:33:22] <chromas> hm, they're in the meta tags
[20:33:27] <chromas> although the meta tags are done wrong
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