#editorial | Logs for 2020-10-13

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[01:01:16] <Bytram> https://t.co
[01:01:16] <systemd> ^ 03https://twitter.com/Msuraev/status/1313945340039528448/photo/1
[01:03:11] <Bytram> =g translate Слов нет, всё видите сами
[01:03:12] <systemd> https://context.reverso.net - Вы видите сами себя - Перевод на английский - примеры ...
[01:03:38] <Bytram> =g translate Слов нет, всё видите сами to English
[01:03:39] <systemd> https://context.reverso.net - я не понимаю - Translation into English - examples Russian ...
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[02:08:44] <Bytram> have a great night everybodt!
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[14:28:12] <Bytram> https://m-w.com
[14:28:13] <systemd> ^ 03Dictionary by Merriam-Webster: America's most-trusted online dictionary ( https://www.merriam-webster.com )
[14:48:53] <Bytram> =cite
[14:48:54] <systemd> Generate a block of HTML for citing an article. Takes DOIs and URLs. Template:
[14:48:54] <systemd> ${authors}${title}${access}, <cite>${journal}</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/${doi}">${doi}</a>)
[14:49:08] <janrinok> bytram!!
[14:49:15] <Bytram> o/
[14:49:21] <janrinok> \o
[14:49:30] <Bytram> lol!
[14:49:42] <janrinok> how's things?
[14:50:40] <Bytram> lust loving story submissions which omit links and italics
[14:51:45] <janrinok> understood - we're just waiting for the doc to arrive for her regular visit to S
[14:52:26] <Bytram> a bit tired, not sleeping well lately, friend in the hospital with stage 4 cancer, was a witness to a verbal altercation last week and presenting testimony tonight, And, hurricane Delta has just reached me. Other than that, great! :D
[14:53:02] <Bytram> hmm, while you are here...
[14:53:19] <janrinok> go ahead
[14:54:23] <Bytram> I was under the impression that "" was deprecated, that one should use "" instead as it better conveyed *semantic* meaning as opposed to typographical appearance....
[14:54:39] <Bytram> that was a long time ago
[14:54:46] <Bytram> thoughts?
[14:55:36] <janrinok> well, it is connected to screen readers I believe. doesn't say anything about how that phrase should be expressed verbally e.g. emphasis, excalamation etc whereas is self evident
[14:56:31] <Bytram> I knew about the "emphasis" past, never thought of screen readers...
[14:56:38] <janrinok> both should look the same on the page but screen readers do not put any change in spoken expression to 
[14:57:33] <Bytram> so... when quoting text that is, itself quoting something that is in Italics...
[14:58:29] <janrinok> the range of screen reader options is defined somewhere but I've never bothered to look for it. Not sure how it handles various combinations though
[14:58:31] <Bytram> Long quotes, use blockquote; short quotes, set off with italics
[14:59:01] <Bytram> a document I have presents to the user as:
[14:59:25] <janrinok> that is our interpretation - and I've not heard any of our community complaining but in the interest of inclusiveness perhaps we should think about it when we have a few minutes to spare!
[15:00:19] <Bytram> "This is a quotation from the source document which emphasized these words"
[15:00:32] <Bytram> try again, that's the semantics.
[15:00:52] <janrinok> I don't think that you can nest itallics can you?
[15:01:27] <Bytram> the appearance on my browser of that text is all italics, but that fails to capture the semantics.
[15:01:47] <Bytram> Get same results it I replace with 
[15:01:55] <Bytram> *if I
[15:02:01] <janrinok> the inner set of itallics should be but of course not everybody - or very few sites - have got round to changing how they format pages
[15:02:30] <janrinok> how do you emphasize an emphasis?
[15:03:32] <Bytram> this is text from the source which quotes this text
[15:04:05] <janrinok> be careful, because IRC might also be having a say in what you see on here
[15:04:12] <Bytram> That is an example of what I see on the printed page.... nod nod
[15:04:26] <Bytram> hence my use of and hexchat removes certain characters on a whim it appears
[15:06:06] <Bytram> My understanding is that nested italics should be presented as plain text
[15:06:27] <janrinok> I don't know
[15:06:32] <Bytram> that is something that I would expect the CSS / HTML elements to handle for me.
[15:06:41] <Bytram> does not seem to work that way.
[15:07:12] <Bytram> I needs to recognize the nesting and either (1) un-emphasize the nested text or
[15:07:28] <Bytram> (2) write a style to implement it like:
[15:07:44] <Bytram> em > em {font-style" normal}
[15:07:52] <Bytram> em > em {font-style: normal}
[15:08:27] <Bytram> and extend that to however many levels I may encounter.
[15:08:27] <janrinok> I've can't say that I have had problems with it - most submissions that are copied from sources seem to have solved the problem. Are you looking at a specific sub or just talking in generalities?
[15:08:53] <Bytram> A small thing, but it has been nagging at me for a while, so I thought I'd ask.
[15:09:11] <Bytram> generalities -- not SoylentNews related
[15:10:22] <janrinok> OK, as I don't do much html or css it is not a thing I have had a problem with so it is outside my sphere of knowledge - along with just about everything else nowadays...
[15:10:53] * Bytram is finding that increasingly so, as well
[15:11:35] <janrinok> lol
[15:11:37] <Bytram> thanks bunches... gtg
[15:11:45] <janrinok> laters maybe
[15:11:51] <Bytram> pls tickle S for me; you can have a kiss!
[15:11:56] <janrinok> lol
[15:11:58] <Bytram> ;)
[15:12:07] <Bytram> ciao for now
[15:12:11] <janrinok> ciao
[18:08:02] <Bytram> =cite https://doi.org
[18:08:04] <systemd> Journal Reference: Marielle N. Smith, Tyeen C. Taylor, Joost van Haren, et al. Empirical evidence for resilience of tropical forest photosynthesis in a warmer world, <cite>Nature Plants</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41477-020-00780-2">10.1038/s41477-020-00780-2</a>)
[18:27:00] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[18:27:06] <systemd> Journal Reference: M. Schlecker, C. Mordasini, A. Emsenhuber, et al. The New Generation Planetary Population Synthesis (NGPPS). III. Warm super-Earths and cold Jupiters: A weak occurrence correlation, but with a strong architecture-composition link [open], <cite>Astronomy & Astrophysics</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/202038554">10.1051/0004-6361/202038554</a>)
[18:32:36] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[18:32:37] <systemd> Journal Reference: Daniel Dores, Craig R. Glenn, Giuseppe Torri, et al. Implications for groundwater recharge from stable isotopic composition of precipitation in Hawai'i during the 2017–2018 La Niña, <cite>Hydrological Processes</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1002/hyp.13907">10.1002/hyp.13907</a>)
[18:35:00] <Bytram> =g Kona storms
[18:35:00] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Kona storm - Wikipedia
[18:35:41] <janrinok> Bytram, S sends you a big hug and kiss!
[18:35:49] <Bytram> Woo Hoo!
[18:36:34] <janrinok> but can't stay - I was just switching the computer off... Bye
[18:36:41] <Bytram> laterz
[18:40:27] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[18:40:29] <systemd> Journal Reference: Tanguy Bertrand, François Forget, Bernard Schmitt, et al. Equatorial mountains on Pluto are covered by methane frosts resulting from a unique atmospheric process [open], <cite>Nature Communications</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-020-18845-3">10.1038/s41467-020-18845-3</a>)
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