#editorial | Logs for 2020-09-05
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[00:02:56] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video)"
[00:02:56] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[00:02:57] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video) (03:45; 948,606 views; π2,857 π122)
[00:02:58] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 1,543,048 views; π4,188 π295)
[00:27:12] * Bytram yawns
[00:27:12] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[00:47:49] <Bytram> I'm wiped out. was able to push out a few stories, but now need some sleep. See ya all tomorrow.
[00:48:03] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody!
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[01:17:14] <AzumaHazuki> ye gods. closer today, 8-6 tomorrow, need to be up at 6 to get there on time and relatively sane...
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[05:41:35] <aristarchus> submit https://www.washingtonpost.com
[05:41:49] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.washingtonpost.com
[05:44:35] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.sfgate.com
[05:44:38] <systemd> Submitting "Texas assistant AG loses job after reports of QAnon posts"...
[05:44:59] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Texas Assistant AG Loses Job After Reports of QAnon Posts" (5 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:46:09] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.buzzfeednews.com
[05:46:11] <systemd> Submitting "Quibbles & Bits: Hereβs Why BuzzFeed News Is Calling QAnon A βCollective Delusionβ From Now On"...
[05:46:33] <systemd> β* Sub-ccess! "03Quibbles & Bits: Hereβs Why BuzzFeed News is Calling QAnon a βCollective Delusionβ From Now on" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:46:59] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.nytimes.com
[05:47:01] <systemd> Submitting "Opinion | We Are Not Going to Fact-Check Our Way Out of QAnon"...
[05:47:23] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Opinion | We are Not Going to Fact-Check Our Way Out of QAnon" (48 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:48:45] <aristarchus> =w QAnon
[05:48:46] <systemd> QAnon (/kjuΛΙΛnΙn/) is a far-right conspiracy theory alleging that a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring - https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:50:45] <aristarchus> =w alt-right
[05:50:46] <systemd> The alt-right, an abbreviation of alternative right, is a loosely connected far-right, white nationalist movement based in the United States. A largely - https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:51:17] <aristarchus> =w altright
[05:51:17] <systemd> Spencer and his NPI. In February 2017, Reddit then closed down the "r/altright" subreddit after its participants were found to have breached its policy - https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:53:04] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com
[05:53:06] <systemd> Submitting "Biden says QAnon conspiracy supporters should seek mental health help - Business Insider"...
[05:53:28] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Biden Says QAnon Conspiracy Supporters Should Seek Mental Health Help - Business Insider" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:55:21] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.nationalreview.com
[05:55:26] <systemd> Submitting "The Age of QAnon Politics | National Review"...
[05:55:48] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03The Age of QAnon Politics | National Review" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:57:41] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.politico.com
[05:57:42] <systemd> Submitting "Facebook removes QAnon-supporting candidateβs 'squad' post for inciting violence"...
[05:58:04] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Facebook Removes QAnon-supporting Candidateβs 'Squad' Post for Inciting Violence" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:59:11] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.thedailybeast.com
[05:59:13] <systemd> Submitting "Inside the Weird Pro-QAnon German Group Behind RFK Jr.βs Latest Anti-Vaxx Stunt"...
[05:59:35] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Inside the Weird Pro-QAnon German Group Behind RFK Jr.βs Latest Anti-Vaxx Stunt" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:03:48] <aristarchus> =submit https://talkingpointsmemo.com
[06:03:50] <systemd> Submitting "Iowa Senator Pushes QAnon Theory About COVID Death Toll"...
[06:04:12] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Iowa Senator Pushes QAnon Theory About COVID Death Toll" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:09:42] <aristarchus> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[07:09:45] <systemd> Submitting "Sorry, Amazon, Microsoft wins JEDI contract again upon re-evaluation"...
[07:10:06] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Sorry, Amazon, Microsoft Wins JEDI Contract Again Upon Re-evaluation" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:27:43] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.cnbc.com
[07:27:46] <systemd> Submitting "Key coronavirus forecast predicts over 410,000 total U.S. deaths by Jan. 1: 'The worst is yet to come'"...
[07:28:08] <systemd> β* Sub-ccess! "08Key Coronavirus Forecast Predicts Over 410,000 Total U.S. Deaths by Jan. 1: 'the Worst is Yet to Com" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:29:07] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.thedailybeast.com
[07:29:09] <systemd> Submitting "Inside the Weird Pro-QAnon German Group Behind RFK Jr.βs Latest Anti-Vaxx Stunt"...
[07:29:31] <systemd> aristarchus, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (187364746), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[07:30:54] <aristarchus> =submit https://en.wikipedia.org
[07:30:59] <systemd> Submitting "QAnon - Wikipedia"...
[07:31:25] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03QAnon - Wikipedia" (88 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:01:35] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.indystar.com
[08:01:38] <systemd> Submitting "Evangelicals need to address the QAnoners in our midst"...
[08:01:59] <systemd> β Sub-ccess! "03Evangelicals Need to Address the QAnoners in Our Midst" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[11:03:16] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video)"
[11:03:17] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video) (03:45; 957,964 views; π2,886 π126)
[11:03:18] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[11:03:19] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 1,543,180 views; π4,190 π295)
[14:14:41] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[14:14:42] <systemd> ^ 03Could a tree help find a decaying corpse nearby? ( https://arstechnica.com )
[14:53:27] <Bytram> =yt http://www.youtube.com
[14:53:28] <systemd> https://youtube.com - SpaceX Hops Starship SN6 to 150 Meters (02:38:38; 383,950 views; π8,364 π183)
[15:00:17] <Bytram> =yt http://www.youtube.com
[15:00:18] <systemd> https://youtube.com - SN6 FF (02:04; 1,459 views; π31 π0)
[15:01:00] <Bytram> =yt http://www.youtube.com
[15:01:01] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Starship SN6 150M Successful Hop! (05:16; 184,726 views; π4,024 π63)
[15:03:02] <Bytram> =yt http://www.youtube.com
[15:03:03] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Starship SN6 150m Hop (08:12; 20 views; π2 π0)
[15:03:36] <Bytram> =yt http://www.youtube.com
[15:03:37] <systemd> https://youtube.com - SpaceX Build Site/Launch Site Flyover 09/02! (01:46; 3,942 views; π341 π0)
[15:04:04] <Bytram> http://www.youtube.com
[15:04:05] <systemd> ^ 03Starship SN6 150m Flight Test ( https://www.youtube.com )
[15:04:21] <Bytram> =yt http://www.youtube.com
[15:04:22] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Starship SN6 150m Flight Test (56; 819,947 views; π49,601 π401)
[15:24:00] <Bytram> =g IHME canada
[15:24:01] <systemd> https://covid19.healthdata.org - Canada
[15:24:16] <Bytram> =w IHME canada
[15:24:17] <systemd> the institute director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME). Beginning in 1990, he has worked on ways to measure the burden of disease - https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:40:19] <Bytram> =w american civil war
[15:40:20] <systemd> The American Civil War (also known by other names) was a civil war in the United States from 1861 to 1865, fought between northern states loyal to the - https://en.wikipedia.org
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[18:43:58] <Bytram> whereto? https://aws.amazon.com">
[18:43:59] <systemd> ^ 03JEDI: Why we will continue to protest this politically corrupted contract award
[18:44:12] <Bytram> whereto? https://aws.amazon.com
[18:44:12] <systemd> ^ 03JEDI: Why we will continue to protest this politically corrupted contract award
[18:44:22] <Bytram> whereto? https://aws.amazon.com
[18:44:23] <systemd> ^ 03JEDI: Why we will continue to protest this politically corrupted contract award
[18:44:28] <Bytram> whereto? https://aws.amazon.com
[18:44:28] <systemd> ^ 03JEDI: Why we will continue to protest this politically corrupted contract award
[18:49:58] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video)"
[18:49:58] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[18:49:59] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video) (03:45; 968,281 views; π2,917 π128)
[18:50:00] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 1,543,275 views; π4,191 π295)
[19:07:20] <Bytram> Fnord666++ thanks for stuffing the story queue! Didn't sleep well/enough and heading off to a nap.
[19:07:20] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 168
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[23:02:07] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video)"
[23:02:07] <Bytram> =yt "Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video)"
[23:02:08] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video) (03:45; 975,382 views; π2,937 π129)
[23:02:09] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 1,543,357 views; π4,192 π295)
[23:10:10] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: o/ How'd your day go?
[23:10:21] <AzumaHazuki> long, ye gods.
[23:10:36] * AzumaHazuki really hopes she gets this hospital position she's interviewing/assessing for
[23:11:07] <Bytram> I hear ya... I've had far too many "clopens" (close the store one night and be in early the next day to open it back up)"
[23:11:25] * Bytram wishes you the best of luck!
[23:12:26] <AzumaHazuki> i don't remember how many days i've been working, or how many remain in this streak. and it's still only limited to 40 a week because corporate is fucking cheap
[23:12:39] <Bytram> =g "Metasurface holographic movie"
[23:12:40] <systemd> https://www.osapublishing.org - Metasurface holographic movie: a cinematographic approach - OSA
[23:12:43] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:12:48] <AzumaHazuki> i may not give notice at all, or i may just use the entire 40 hours of vacation time i have at once and give 5 workdays' notice
[23:13:12] <Bytram> doesn't keep 'em from having you end one week and start another...
[23:14:01] <Bytram> "Say something in anger and you'll give the best speech you'll ever regret." My experience has been
[23:14:27] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i know...i'm telling myself to be very careful about this
[23:14:37] <Bytram> that no matter how warranted I feel to burn a bridge behind me, I'm glad that
[23:14:53] <Bytram> I always made it a point to leave on good terms;
[23:15:22] <Bytram> if I am finding things challenging, then my manager probably is, too.
[23:15:57] <Bytram> Issue is with the bean counters, or the higher ups, yanno?
[23:16:48] <Bytram> =g "Metasurface holographic movie" -osapublishing
[23:16:48] <systemd> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - Metasurface holographic movie: a cinematographic approach
[23:16:53] <AzumaHazuki> oh yeah, corporate is corporate everywhere
[23:17:02] <Bytram> =g "Metasurface holographic movie" -osapublishing -pubmed
[23:17:03] <systemd> https://www.nanowerk.com - Metasurface materials put true holographic movie within grasp (w ...
[23:17:07] <Bytram> now you're talking
[23:17:17] <AzumaHazuki> my managers are generally good people and i get on well with them. partly because they can talk nerdy with me, speak the tools of the trade and have it understood
[23:17:47] <AzumaHazuki> so far three different pharmacists have asked why i'm "only a tech" and don't go to pharmacy school. Money, honey! Poor girls don't get to do that!
[23:18:17] <AzumaHazuki> so i just smile under my mask, grind my teeth a bit, and quickly change the subject. privilege is a bitch.
[23:19:16] <Bytram> maybe get a job someplace with tuition reimbursement? Never hurts to ask if they offer it -- shows williingness to grow in one's career
[23:19:40] <Bytram> and... if they will pay for it, all the better!
[23:20:26] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. but i'm still planning to haul ass for Canada ASAP. i see the writing on the wall. this country is finished
[23:21:03] <Bytram> and... university credits don't transfer?
[23:22:16] <AzumaHazuki> there's no more time. i need out of here ASAP and that's likely not happening for a year
[23:22:28] <AzumaHazuki> so i have to put everything i have into preparing and shoring up
[23:23:38] <Bytram> just beware of "out of the frying pan and into the fire" alo, if the grass is greener on the other side, it might be growing over a septic tank
[23:24:52] <Bytram> whereto? https://youtu.be
[23:24:53] <systemd> ^ 03Metasurface holographic movie showing a rotating Earth ( https://www.youtube.com )
[23:25:58] <AzumaHazuki> i've considered all this. there is no grass here; this IS the septic tank
[23:26:08] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, this country is over, do you not get this?
[23:28:53] <Bytram> I'm not quite ready to throw in the towel. I've been through THREE recessions, two life-threatening illnesses (maybe 3, depends on how you count 'em) and I'm still holding up... in fact, I'm in better mental/emotional shape than I've ever been.
[23:29:05] <AzumaHazuki> and this sucks because i like buffalo better than anywhere i've ever been except some parts of my old NYC hometown stomping grounds. if the country weren't basically dead i could settle here
[23:30:57] <Bytram> I'm happy to hear that you like it there
[23:32:41] <Bytram> Yes, the country is in a mess. I'm trying to do what I can to help change things. I may not be able to change the country, but I *can* make a difference in my corner of it, and that includes trying to convince folk to not vote for Trump and hopefully help to tip the balance in the senate...
[23:34:03] <Bytram> my current senator is a long-term republican, and she is NOT getting my vote in Nov... she's done a lot for my state, but I'm looking beyond local self-interest and towards what would be the greater good for my country.
[23:34:20] <AzumaHazuki> you know SN is a cesspool. i am this close, THIS CLOSE, to just calling the FBI on this place with about six dozen juicy screenshots
[23:34:38] <AzumaHazuki> thing is, all the alphabet soup agencies are infiltrated by people like runaway too
[23:35:49] <AzumaHazuki> between the RWNJs like Bot and Entropy and Oakenshield and Runaway, the shithead antisocial trolls like Uzzard and fusty, and the general selfishness and sociopathy of the userbase...
[23:35:57] <Bytram> Sadly, I have little enough free time after putting together and pushing out stories, I don't have much left to actually participate in the discussions
[23:36:31] <AzumaHazuki> tech sites tend to get like this
[23:36:37] <Bytram> of *some* of the userbase -- you're including *me* in that broadstroke
[23:36:51] <AzumaHazuki> the userbase as a whole has a distinctly rwnj flavor to us
[23:36:58] <AzumaHazuki> and i am so, so tired of fighting mostly alone
[23:38:10] <Bytram> "More people are flattered into virtue than bullied out of vice." -- R. S. Surtees
[23:38:52] <AzumaHazuki> normal functioning people yes. you seem not to understand how many sociopaths there are on here
[23:39:34] <Bytram> I don't worry about the battles, I go for using strategy. I speak my piece, substantiate it with facts, and my experience is that the truth will (eventually) win out.
[23:39:50] <Bytram> brb, food should be about ready
[23:39:51] <AzumaHazuki> truth has no magical power
[23:40:03] <AzumaHazuki> people who have closed themselves off to the light are dead to it
[23:42:50] <Bytram> "Strive to understand your problem, don't try to solve it. A fully stated problem embodies its solution"
[23:43:29] <Bytram> =g "Wizard's rules"
[23:43:30] <systemd> https://sot.fandom.com - Wizard's Rules | Sword of Truth Wiki | Fandom
[23:43:31] <AzumaHazuki> The solution is to contain the damage. that is by definition impossible the way this place is set up. entropy alone says as much: it's a lot easier to shit on the rug than to clean shitstains out of the rug
[23:44:45] <Bytram> so I try to help people see how their shit stinks and how that is messing up *their* life. Appeal to their self interests.
[23:46:30] <AzumaHazuki> they don't care
[23:46:57] <AzumaHazuki> don't you get this? we are dealing with human Klein bottles here. nothing is going to make them pull their heads out except excruciating, prolonged personal suffering
[23:47:13] <AzumaHazuki> when their choices make them homeless, hungry, and friendless, SOME will learn
[23:47:53] <Bytram> I'm by no means perfect, but I would like to think that if you look back on my posting history, here and on the site, that I am a man of my word. I try to avoid grandstanding and belittling. Just tell it like I see it and ...
[23:48:52] <Bytram> I, personally, have seen literally over a hundred people have that "moment of clarity" and have helped quite a number along that path.
[23:48:52] <AzumaHazuki> you are not a sociopath. stop assuming you're dealing with other normal human beings
[23:49:02] <AzumaHazuki> the assumptions you're making do not apply to sociopaths
[23:49:30] <Bytram> what did I say suggested that I was dealing with "normal" human being?
[23:51:08] <AzumaHazuki> the idea that you can convince them with reason, logic, or appeals to common humanity
[23:51:35] <AzumaHazuki> or the assumption that they will give one single solitary lonely god-damn about facts
[23:51:44] <Bytram> My experience has been that when people perceive that it is easier to change than to keep doing what they are doing, then they become willing to change. (refer back to Wizards Rules and Surtees quote, above)
[23:53:09] <AzumaHazuki> yes...and for the sociopath, only intense and personal suffering will produce that reaction
[23:53:12] <Bytram> that means changing some long-held ideas and conclusions. Most people do not like change.
[23:53:51] <Bytram> Bullying people to change -- nope. Not gonna work...
[23:54:15] <Bytram> "Just because you've silenced an opponent does not mean you have won them over:
[23:55:35] <Bytram> realize, I have 4 decades' experience testing software and have men more than my share of "Prima Donalds". I've learned a few things along the
[23:56:04] <Bytram> way about diplomacy "the art of disagreeing without being disagreeable"
[23:57:04] <Bytram> I've found there is no "one size fits all" -- each person I deal with is different.
[23:57:31] <AzumaHazuki> some people can't be changed, is my point
[23:57:34] <AzumaHazuki> not by these methods
[23:58:12] <AzumaHazuki> in fact, they specifically look down on you and disdain you for attempting them. please see Trump's "I don't get it, what was in it for them?" comment about Afghanistan war dead for example
[23:58:17] <Bytram> They can't see the way out from where they are, but I can. So I try and act as a tour guide and lead/guide them (not force) them long.
[23:58:33] <AzumaHazuki> you may as well explain mountaineering to an oyster. they lack the cognitive and emotional function to understand it