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[00:07:14] <chromas> Ooh, I found an xmpp server tester. Says I'm 57% specs compliant
[00:07:38] <chromas> Says I'm missing features I have enabled :(
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[08:45:52] <janrinok> ~gday fyngyrz
[08:45:53] * exec deliciously penetrates a bottle of peaches with fyngyrz
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[13:06:07] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: o/
[13:06:14] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[13:06:25] <AzumaHazuki> off to work in 40m or so
[13:06:33] <Bytram> How are you this AM?
[13:06:42] <AzumaHazuki> i, and every single person in the pharmacy, may or may not have the 'rona :D
[13:06:52] <Bytram> saw about your cow-orker and the Cv-19 claim casuing... trouble
[13:06:57] <Bytram> sad face
[13:07:08] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. i don't think my coworker knows what her little tantrum lead to
[13:07:35] <AzumaHazuki> she is almost certainly faking it, but, if she turns out to have been asyptomatic and has traces of it, we're all boned
[13:07:44] <Bytram> I suspect she will get some... information from those she has affected
[13:08:04] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, like a lesson in fluent Russian profanity from me
[13:08:04] <Bytram> {{{ AzumaHazuki }}}
[13:08:18] <Bytram> specebo!
[13:08:37] <AzumaHazuki> maybe some Polish too, kurwa mac
[13:08:58] <Bytram> fwiw, and please pardon the phonetic attempt: ya la bleu tea bak
[13:09:09] <AzumaHazuki> lol
[13:09:13] <Bytram> comprende?
[13:09:21] <AzumaHazuki> no, honestly, but it sounds funny
[13:09:50] <Bytram> I could never quite pronounce it correctly :/
[13:10:20] <AzumaHazuki> i know my accent's probably not great
[13:10:43] <Bytram> dobre (utero / adan / vece ), specbo, puh jalsta, das vedania, ya la blu tabak
[13:11:21] <AzumaHazuki> i try to be a little careful with Slav profanity since it's a lot stronger than the English equivalent
[13:11:41] <AzumaHazuki> in particular, apparently using mat' on Moscow's streets gets you a disorderly conduct charge now
[13:11:43] <Bytram> when I had a guest who I guessed spoke russian, I would try to find a point where I could say either thank you (specebo) or hi (previet)
[13:12:11] <Bytram> often got a surprised look and smile in response
[13:12:44] <Bytram> then I would utter the preceding. (previet hi), thank you. your welcome, good bye, I love you.
[13:12:50] <AzumaHazuki> :)
[13:12:50] <Bytram> always got a smile and a laugh
[13:13:29] <AzumaHazuki> maaaan...i may be working 13 straight days. little miss malingerer was supposed to work this Sunday
[13:13:31] <Bytram> One time a couple of young women were approaching my area and I overheard the unmistakable
[13:13:50] <Bytram> 'trill' of russian, and when they got closer I sad: previet
[13:14:20] <Bytram> one's head spun towards me in an instant and she said "How you speak Russian?"
[13:14:35] <Bytram> so I repeated my little list
[13:14:42] <Bytram> sudden smiles and laughter
[13:15:08] <Bytram> come to find out, they had only been in the US a couple months when I greeted them.
[13:15:59] <AzumaHazuki> nice
[13:16:00] <Bytram> having traveled to a few foreign countries, I know the feeling of relief when I try to converse in their native tongue and hear "I speak English"
[13:16:19] <Bytram> Yay! Now I can talk without having to *think*
[13:16:37] <Bytram> that greeting developed into a multi year freindship
[13:17:01] <Bytram> Every couple months they'd stop by to say hi, chat, and look at watches
[13:17:11] <Bytram> went on for about 3-4 years
[13:17:30] <Bytram> they moved away and once in a while I'd wonder how they were doing
[13:17:46] <Bytram> then one day, out of the blue I looked up and there was one of them in the aisle
[13:17:55] <Bytram> I was waiting on a guest atm
[13:18:07] <Bytram> said to the russian "hold it!"
[13:18:16] <Bytram> to the guest "I'll be right back"
[13:18:29] <Bytram> and darted out of my bay to greet her.
[13:18:48] <Bytram> then realized I could make no assumptions, so just open my arms wide to invite a hug
[13:19:01] <Bytram> she came right up to me and gave me a bear hug
[13:19:04] <Bytram> =)
[13:19:15] <Bytram> And it all started with my just saying "hi!"
[13:20:14] <AzumaHazuki> meh, i'm not so good with people as you are
[13:20:47] <Bytram> I cannot imagine how hard it must be to move thousands of miles from home to a new country and a language which you struggle with, likely to encounter a bigot/racist at any time.
[13:21:14] <Bytram> when I put myself in their shoes, and try to imagine what that is like, what would help set me at ease.
[13:21:53] <Bytram> I just try to care, and generally, my intentions speak louder than any foible in communication that may arise.
[13:22:39] <Bytram> I'm still learning, but 16 years' working retail has helped a lot
[13:23:13] <Bytram> sadly, as a youth, I was generally ostracized, socially, from my peers (not a jock, not hot, and a nerd)
[13:23:48] <Bytram> it's taken a LOT of hard work, but now I can at least strike up a casual conversation and not feel totally self-conscious like I used to!
[13:24:17] <Bytram> I guess you could say I just had a delayed start and am now trying to make up for lost time/experience.
[13:24:37] <AzumaHazuki> for my part, i've been done with people since, say, age six
[13:25:08] <Bytram> I was dull and ignorant, others took time and patience to help me, I try and extend the same to those I meet. Seems to work!
[13:25:51] <Bytram> Who am I to say that if I had the same upbringing and life experiences as they did, that I would behave any differently than what I am seeing?
[13:26:27] <AzumaHazuki> that excuse goes only so far
[13:26:35] <Bytram> So, recognizing my own shortcomings, and appreciating others' tolerance of my mistakes, I try to extend the same to others.
[13:26:48] <AzumaHazuki> better people than me suffered less than me and died, sometimes of suicide, and i know because i saw some of them.
[13:27:48] <Bytram> I was gifted with a good intellect, and can make intelligent conclusions based on facts. Others way not be so gifted, and instead are driven by their feelings as to what is right or wrong... they are incapable of logical analysis.
[13:28:14] <Bytram> I've seen many who have succumbed to illness.
[13:28:29] <AzumaHazuki> yes. and they run things, because there are more of them than people like us, and they're more willing to cheat, lie, steal and in general feelz-over-realz
[13:28:35] <Bytram> It is humbling to realize that that could be me any given day.
[13:30:16] <Bytram> I've found it best to try and explain what I know in ways I hope they can understand, be patient and tolerant, and it certainly does not happen overnight, but people over time generally come to see my inputs as non-threatening and come to, if nothing else, entertain the thought that I might have something there.
[13:31:33] <Bytram> First off, though, I've come to realize I am absolutely powerless over other people. If I could control others, then that means they could control me. /me not like that. So I try to not force issues, but rather try to encourage a change to a different perspective.
[13:32:17] <AzumaHazuki> i have very little patience left for that. at this point, after all i've suffered and how many times peoples' plain old stupid selfishness damn near killed me or worse, i just do not care any longer
[13:32:28] <Bytram> Rather than trying to win a skirmish, right here right now, I aim for the longer term. Maybe sacrifice a pawn or two to get my way to the king
[13:33:05] <AzumaHazuki> whereas I don't even sit down at the board any longer. i just wish i could cage and mute dangerous idiots
[13:34:10] <Bytram> I'll not attempt to compare my misfortunes to yours... I suspect as much as I have suffered (and it is NON trivial!!), your has likely been worse and has made a greater impact. I feel sad for the pain you have experienced.
[13:34:24] <Bytram> use /ignore ??
[13:34:35] <Bytram> biab
[13:34:38] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:34:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 117
[13:34:50] <AzumaHazuki> would heaven i could do that in meatspace
[13:39:04] <Bytram> silence is golden, but there are also the sounds of silence.
[13:39:21] <Bytram> I can get away from others, at least temporarily, but not from myself.
[13:39:39] <Bytram> phone gtg
[13:39:48] <Bytram> good luck!
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[15:28:12] <Bytram> w2? http://robotics.sciencemag.org
[15:28:14] <systemd> ^ 03Biofuel-powered soft electronic skin with multiplexed and wireless sensing for human-machine interfaces ( https://robotics.sciencemag.org )
[15:28:16] <exec> └─ 13Biofuel-powered soft electronic skin with multiplexed and wireless sensing for human-machine interfaces | Science Robotics
[15:28:27] <Bytram> https://robotics.sciencemag.org
[15:28:29] <systemd> ^ 03Biofuel-powered soft electronic skin with multiplexed and wireless sensing for human-machine interfaces
[15:28:31] <exec> └─ 13Biofuel-powered soft electronic skin with multiplexed and wireless sensing for human-machine interfaces | Science Robotics
[15:28:43] <Bytram> =cite https://robotics.sciencemag.org
[15:28:45] <systemd> Journal Reference You Yu, Joanna Nassar, Changhao Xu, et al. Biofuel-powered soft electronic skin with multiplexed and wireless sensing for human-machine interfaces [$], <cite>Science Robotics</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1126/scirobotics.aaz7946">10.1126/scirobotics.aaz7946</a>)
[15:28:47] <exec> └─ 13Biofuel-powered soft electronic skin with multiplexed and wireless sensing for human-machine interfaces | Science Robotics
[15:50:39] <Bytram> =cite https://phys.org
[15:50:40] <systemd> Error: No DOI
[15:50:41] <exec> └─ 13A rare snail living on driftwood is discovered in the Arctic ocean
[15:51:02] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[15:51:05] <systemd> Journal Reference EKATERINA N. KROL, IVAN O. NEKHAEV. Redescription of Leptogyra bujnitzkii (Gorbunov, 1946) comb. nov., the first representative of the gastropod subclass Neomphaliones from the high Arctic, <cite>Zootaxa</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/zootaxa.4759.3.13">zootaxa.4759.3.13</a>)
[15:51:08] <exec> └─ 13Redescription of Leptogyra bujnitzkii (Gorbunov, 1946) comb. nov., the first representative of the gastropod subclass Neomphaliones from the high Arctic | KROL | Zootaxa
[16:00:20] <Bytram> https://go.theregister.co.uk
[16:00:21] <systemd> ^ 03European programmers take an extended lunch break as GitHub goes TITSUP* again ( https://www.theregister.co.uk )
[16:00:22] <exec> └─ 13European programmers take an extended lunch break as GitHub goes TITSUP* again • The Register
[16:25:32] <Bytram> =submit https://www.theregister.co.uk
[16:25:34] <systemd> Submitting "European programmers take an extended lunch break as GitHub goes TITSUP* again"...
[16:25:34] <exec> └─ 13European programmers take an extended lunch break as GitHub goes TITSUP* again • The Register
[16:25:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03European Programmers Take an Extended Lunch Break as GitHub Goes TITSUP* Again" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:27:04] <Bytram> chromas: ^^^ Strange! The bot says it worked, but had no luck using your web page: https://chromas.0x.no
[16:27:04] <systemd> ^ 03Soysub
[16:27:07] <exec> └─ 13Soysub
[16:27:53] <Bytram> Entered the exact same URL as above, screen cleared, and then all it displayed was:
[16:27:54] <Bytram> Blank form: linkdump | Sub editor
[16:27:54] <Bytram> Docs
[16:30:22] <Bytram> And, FWIW, I tried it with all three different scrapers.
[16:34:22] <Bytram> The =upstart sub did make it to the submission list, but seems to be missing text following a twitter blockquote.
[16:34:48] <chromas> the php borkage strikes again. fpos
[16:34:58] <chromas> I restarted it so it should work for a few minutes at least
[16:35:05] <Bytram> LOL!
[16:35:33] <Bytram> YAYS!
[16:35:41] <Bytram> chromas++ tank ewe!
[16:35:41] <Bender> karma - chromas: 141
[16:36:26] <chromas> Which text is missing?
[16:36:52] <Bytram> are you looking at the story?
[16:37:14] <chromas> Looking; not editing
[16:37:19] <Bytram> k
[16:37:35] <Bytram> see the twitter quote from "Justin"?
[16:37:38] <chromas> I guess the tweet content is missing but I think that's a javascript thing
[16:37:50] <Bytram> that was present, but everything following that was missing.
[16:38:16] <chromas> "Github itself recognized"? I see it there
[16:39:27] <Bytram> Hmmm, and now I see it, too.
[16:39:33] <Bytram> braincramp--
[16:39:33] <Bender> karma - braincramp: -1
[16:41:09] <chromas> Could be rehash borkage
[16:52:00] <janrinok> chromas, I think the twitter problem depends on whether you can log in to twitter or not. If the submitter uses twitter then when he is looking for links for his sub he sees different data than someone who is not a twitter user (e.g. me!)
[16:52:01] <Bytram> you have a point.
[16:52:33] * Bytram does NOT have a twitter account and, so, has never logged into twitter.
[16:53:02] <janrinok> gday Bytram - feeling a little better today I hope (but that is not an excuse for you to stop having your break!)
[16:53:05] <chromas> upstart also doesn't have a twitter account
[16:53:11] <Bytram> btw, who ran into github problems yesterday?
[16:53:22] <janrinok> not me...
[16:54:28] <Bytram> Been nibbling away at long-procrastinated stuff to reduce the sense of overload. Making progress, albeit slow.
[16:54:44] <janrinok> as long as you are making progress...
[16:55:08] <Bytram> there was a discussion on IRC, but I cannot remember which channel or by whom.
[16:55:17] <Bytram> yes, I am, thanks.
[16:55:31] <janrinok> well, that should narrow down the search /sarcasm
[16:55:46] <Bytram> Allergy season has arrived, so that always helps. :P
[16:56:09] <janrinok> yep, lots of oak pollen around here at the moment
[16:56:44] <janrinok> that snail on driftwood story has already been processed and is in the story queue
[16:56:45] <Bytram> Seems the worst offender for me is maple.
[16:56:51] <Bytram> kewel
[16:57:13] <Bytram> trying to not leave (pun intended!) you guys totally in the lurch!
[16:57:59] <janrinok> no, we are doing fine without you! Didn't realise that you had been away ;)
[16:58:15] <Bytram> too shay!
[16:59:00] <janrinok> you posted 3 today, 5 yesterday, but you were a slacker on Tuesday!
[17:02:14] * Bytram hangs his head in shame
[17:04:55] <Bytram> https://medicalxpress.com
[17:04:56] <systemd> ^ 03There is no evidence that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory
[17:04:57] <exec> └─ 13There is no evidence that the coronavirus was created in a laboratory
[17:06:37] <carny> lol
[17:07:11] <carny> except the replaced spikes and the sequences from non-coronavirus genomes
[17:07:23] <carny> but that happens in nature all the time
[17:07:54] <carny> both one in a zillion events taking place in the same virus
[17:08:15] <Bytram> https://astrogeology.usgs.gov
[17:08:20] <carny> along with a cas-9 handle on the end of the rna string
[17:09:14] <carny> and i'm sure it's just a coincidence that faucci's org gave millions to the wuhan bsl-4
[17:11:01] <Bytram> [citation needed]
[17:14:17] <carny> i have put links in this channel for all the technical statements already
[17:15:10] <carny> regarding faucci all you had to do was look at drudgereport.com one time over about a week period and take your pick of which major news outlet you wanted to believe
[17:15:29] <carny> but i guess you'll say drudge is fake news too
[17:15:53] <carny> even though he literally does nothing but aggregate other news sites headlines
[17:16:37] <carny> https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[17:16:39] <exec> └─ 13U.S. government gave $3.7million grant to Wuhan lab that experimented on coronavirus source bats | Daily Mail Online
[17:16:40] <systemd> ^ 03U.S. gave $3.7million grant to lab at center coronavirus scandal
[17:16:45] <carny> https://www.businesstoday.in
[17:16:46] <systemd> ^ 03Shocking! US gave $3.7 million to China's Wuhan lab that conducted coronavirus tests on bats
[17:16:47] <exec> └─ 13Shocking! US gave $3.7 million to China's Wuhan lab that conducted coronavirus tests on bats
[17:16:50] <carny> https://www.theblaze.com
[17:16:52] <exec> └─ 13Obama gave infamous Wuhan lab millions in taxpayer money. Trump has vowed to end further grants. - TheBlaze
[17:16:52] <systemd> ^ 03Obama gave infamous Wuhan lab millions in taxpayer money. Trump has vowed to end further grants.
[17:17:11] <carny> https://abc14news.com
[17:17:13] <systemd> ^ 03Obama gave infamous Wuhan lab millions in taxpayer money. Trump has vowed to end further grants.
[17:17:14] <exec> └─ 13Obama gave infamous Wuhan lab millions in taxpayer money. Trump has vowed to end further grants. | ABC 14 News
[17:17:39] <carny> first link is from april 13 and last one is 3 days ago
[17:17:54] <janrinok> None of those actually support your claim that the original link that you quoted is wrong though.
[17:18:17] <carny> so if you still think [citation needed] it must be because you have trump derangement syndrome and refuse to believe anything that contradicts your desire to blame everything on him
[17:18:23] <Bytram> =g the daily fail
[17:18:24] <systemd> https://failblog.cheezburger.com - FAIL Blog - The Daily Fail - Epic FAILs funny videos - Funny Fails ...
[17:18:38] <Bytram> =g "the daily fail" mail
[17:18:38] <systemd> https://rationalwiki.org - Daily Mail - RationalWiki
[17:18:50] <carny> <carny> i have put links in this channel for all the technical statements already
[17:19:02] <janrinok> just because you cannot provide evidence doesn't imply that everybody else is wrong
[17:19:49] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[17:19:51] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus Special Report -- J.C. on a bike -- Harvard to the Bighouse
[17:19:51] <exec> └─ 13Coronavirus Special Report -- J.C. on a bike -- Harvard to the Bighouse - YouTube
[17:19:52] <janrinok> to quote from your link: On the other hand, the RBD sequence of SARS-CoV-2 is very close (99%) to that of a coronavirus isolated in the pangolin. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 is the result of the recombination of two viruses. This recombination mechanism has already been observed in coronaviruses.
[17:20:00] <Bytram> =g https://www.urbandictionary.com
[17:20:01] <systemd> https://www.urbandictionary.com - hipster - Urban Dictionary
[17:20:02] <exec> └─ 13Urban Dictionary: Daily Fail
[17:20:03] <carny> i don't have time to teach you biology
[17:20:30] <Bytram> =g gish gallop
[17:20:31] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Gish gallop - Wikipedia
[17:20:34] <janrinok> and I don't have to believe everything you claim. You are an analyst or a biologist?
[17:20:56] <carny> are you saying a person can't study biology before becoming an analyst?
[17:21:01] <Bytram> =yt "I am not a doctor but I play one on TV"
[17:21:02] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Streets of Rogue - Part 4: Not a Doctor (37:15)
[17:21:17] <Bytram> =yt "I am not a doctor but I play one on TV" marcus welby
[17:21:18] <systemd> https://youtube.com - I'm not a Doctor, but I play one on TV Commercial 1986 with Peter Bergman Vicks Formula 44 (31)
[17:21:41] <janrinok> you are entitled to believe whatever you want - indeed I welcome and encourage it. But you cannot expect others to follow your beliefs without something more significant to back them up
[17:22:12] <carny> like the fact that i've been correct on just about everything i've said since i started tracking this virus in january?
[17:22:27] <janrinok> no, you could be an biologist and an analyst - but as yet you seem reluctant to provide any evidence to support those claims either
[17:22:32] <Bytram> [facts not in evidence]
[17:22:39] <Bytram> [claim to authority]
[17:23:44] <janrinok> you have told us what has happened - you have yet to accurately forecast something that will happen in the future based upon your expertise, and which could not be guessed by any other member of our community
[17:24:29] <carny> i said from the beginning that the who was lying about essentially every statement they made
[17:24:47] <carny> especially the claim that masks did not protect against infection
[17:25:07] <janrinok> I enjoy reading your contribution, but I have to balance it with what others - who have proven credentials - are also saying
[17:25:32] <carny> i said they were lying about their denial of human to human transmission
[17:25:32] <janrinok> masks do not protect against infection - they protect against transmission
[17:25:32] <Bytram> =g DFTT
[17:25:33] <systemd> https://www.urbandictionary.com - dftt - Urban Dictionary
[17:25:46] <carny> you don't balance anything
[17:25:51] <janrinok> wearing a mask doesn't mean you cannot catch CV - people wearing masks and visor have still died from it
[17:26:08] <carny> you reject anything that attacks your precious system of liars and the corrupted
[17:26:34] <janrinok> I haven't got a precious system - I am looking for evidence
[17:26:40] <carny> that's probably because they were untrained and or unequipped
[17:26:40] <Bytram> carny: You attack anything that rejects your precious system of liars and the corrupted.
[17:26:54] <carny> visors are not acceptable airborne precautions
[17:26:59] <carny> goggles are
[17:27:11] <janrinok> they were medical specialists who unfortunately were dealing with CV patients every day
[17:27:27] <carny> Bytram: i'm obviously much better at spotting lying public health officials than you are
[17:27:43] <chromas> Obviously
[17:27:46] <carny> janrinok: irrelevant
[17:27:49] <Bytram> science is making falsifiable predictions, and performing tests. Until such time as the results of said tests have been gathered, analyzed, and reviewed, any assertions are premature.
[17:27:49] <janrinok> so you simply believe everything that trump tells you
[17:28:01] <carny> i believe nothing that trump tells me
[17:28:05] <Bytram> =g cognitive disonance
[17:28:06] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia
[17:28:23] <carny> i stopped believing anything he says years ago
[17:28:50] <carny> show one example of me repeating a trump lie as if i believe it
[17:28:50] <janrinok> and I don't believe anything that officials tell me unless I am also able to view and assess the evidence on which their claims are based
[17:29:00] <Bytram> likewise
[17:29:27] <carny> on the other hand i routinely scoff at his statements since it's not hard to tell when he's not going to follow through with things
[17:29:38] <janrinok> you are claiming that this is a virus released from a lab in China - which your first link said was as yet without foundation
[17:29:48] <carny> i didn't say it was released
[17:30:25] <janrinok> or manufactured, or escaped. There is no evidence as yet for any of that. It may be found later, but it is not available today
[17:30:29] <carny> in fact if you had bothered to investigate properly you'd know that the likely patient zero was an intern who probably got infected by accident before infecting her boyfriend
[17:30:44] <carny> people have known this for 2 months
[17:30:56] <janrinok> that was for a previous sars virus release too
[17:31:04] <carny> shocking
[17:31:18] <carny> the chinese cdc can't manage to keep their shit in order?
[17:31:26] <carny> i am completely shocked
[17:31:50] <carny> it's almost like they didn't learn a damned thing from stealing all that data from the cdc network during bush 2.0
[17:31:58] <Bytram> the more vocal someone is about their viewpoint, the more I perceive it as being an attempt to persuade by belligerency. If one's foundations are solid, all that is needed is to lay the facts out there, present the step-by-step proof of how one leads to the other, and then leave it at that. Constant chest beating serves only to diminish the assertions being made.
[17:32:16] <carny> or maybe that's just how chinese rules view health and safety
[17:32:19] <janrinok> whether you are shocked or not doesn't matter - you offer nothing but your own opinion and interpretation of the 'evidence' that you agree with, while discounting that which does not support your claims
[17:32:38] <Bytram> =g wizard's first rule
[17:32:39] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Wizard's First Rule - Wikipedia
[17:32:44] <carny> yes but my opinion is correct a few orders of magnitude more often than yours
[17:33:05] <Bytram> more chest beating.
[17:33:15] <janrinok> I haven't claimed to know what is happening any more than anyone else on this site - but I do not what evidence I have read
[17:33:28] <janrinok> *but I do know what evidence I have read
[17:33:35] <Bytram> I've only done this previously with ciri, and one other poster on this site in the 6+ years I have been here.
[17:33:43] <Bytram> /ignore carny
[17:33:52] <Bytram> good bye,
[17:34:04] <carny> you've read lies and misdirection from official sources that only an insider could delude themselves into believing
[17:35:06] <Bytram> break time. will prolly check back in later this evening
[17:35:25] <janrinok> I'm not an insider - I am retired and most certainly not working for anyone
[17:35:58] <janrinok> I've also read lots of spurious claims with nothing to support them - this is a case in point
[17:35:59] <carny> for some reason i don't completely believe you
[17:36:40] <janrinok> I am 68 years old and retired, now living in a completely different country from the one I was employed in
[17:36:59] <carny> please don't insult my intelligence
[17:37:20] <janrinok> that is all factual, I don't care whether you believe it or not
[17:37:30] <carny> as if your kind ever stop working for the company no matter what borders you cross
[17:38:05] <janrinok> oh, personal insults now? 'My kind'? You know nothing about me
[17:38:24] <carny> i know what you told me
[17:38:31] <carny> and yes that kind
[17:38:51] <janrinok> I seem to recall that you claimed the same
[17:39:03] <janrinok> so are you of 'that kind' too?
[17:39:06] <carny> perhaps you should go read your logs again
[17:39:36] <carny> i have never in my life claimed to be in operations
[17:40:00] <carny> that kind
[17:40:37] <carny> the kind who wouldn't let the cdc kick the chinese out of their network for a whole bunch of idiotic reasons
[17:40:54] <carny> different borders but the exact same kind
[17:41:03] <carny> and now look what we've got
[17:41:37] <janrinok> you don't like the fact that the US cooperated with the Chinese do you? Yet your country is willing to move it labour force to that country.
[17:41:44] <carny> the ccp gets to play doctor with bioweapons while pretending to be part of the global health community
[17:42:08] <janrinok> as if the US doesn't do the same research - as defensive measures of course
[17:42:25] <chromas> from the wink dept.
[17:42:31] <carny> meanwhile the dia knew in december that dr li was trying to blow the whistle and the spooks didn't do shit to protect the citizenry
[17:43:01] <carny> don't try to lecture me on what the us does and doesn't do
[17:43:14] <carny> they don't do heinous things with my permission
[17:43:28] <janrinok> and why should the US spooks protect Chinese citizenry? Was he doing it on their behest, or behalf?
[17:43:46] <carny> the dia has an obligation to protect american citizens
[17:44:11] <carny> but that might conflict with the agendas of the spooks
[17:44:17] <janrinok> Not by protecting Chinese citizenry in China
[17:44:36] <carny> your straw man diversion is sophomoric
[17:44:46] <janrinok> you've watch far too many films
[17:45:11] <carny> sure thing
[17:45:19] <carny> that's me
[17:45:27] <janrinok> Er, you started this conversation
[17:45:27] <carny> call sign condor ;]
[21:39:40] <Bytram> w2? http://feedproxy.google.com
[21:39:42] <systemd> ^ 03YouTube turns 15 today. Watch the first video it posted ( https://www.cnet.com )
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[22:08:25] <Bytram> =yt wardrobe malfunction janet
[22:08:26] <systemd> https://youtube.com - [1080p HD] Janet Jackson Wardrobe Malfunction (Super Bowl 2004) (01:06)
[22:17:58] <chromas> Totally an accident that a rip-off piece came off when he pulled it
[22:20:55] <Bytram> and that there was a shiny "pasty" underneath, too.
[22:21:34] <Bytram> chromas: I just subbed the story.
[22:22:00] <chromas> It's 16 years old now. Old enough to drive
[22:22:32] <Bytram> feel free to push it out to the site and put it in the slot that is now occupied by "Mon-735: A New Low-Mass Pre-Main Sequence Eclipsing Binary in NGC 2264"
[22:23:39] <Bytram> that would be: 2020-04-23 23:12:00
[22:27:45] <Bytram> chromas: ^^^
[22:29:18] * chromas sets martyb as the author
[22:30:50] * Bytram continues his climb at the top of the HoF
[22:33:32] <chromas> It should say "Obligatory YouTube video...in Glorious HD"
[22:34:10] <Bytram> in Glorious Full-HD (tm)
[22:34:31] <chromas> Good point. Regular HD is barely better than anal og tv
[22:34:36] <chromas> er, was analog even
[22:34:38] <Bytram> which in a few years will look to be quite "quaint".
[22:34:42] <chromas> barely better than ntsc
[22:35:11] <chromas> Also missing a pun about the boob tube
[22:35:18] * Bytram remembers when TV stations trumpeted that the show was "brought to you in living volor".
[22:35:21] * Bytram remembers when TV stations trumpeted that the show was "brought to you in living color".
[22:35:37] <chromas> Then there was a sketch show named after that
[22:36:07] <Bytram> BBC seems to have basically rewritten a story after it was posted, I'm basically rewriting a story that was scheduled to go out.
[22:36:24] <chromas> Just put a note on it that says they changed it
[22:37:20] <chromas> Someone needs to invent a CMS that tracks changes
[22:37:38] <chromas> like wikipedia or git but for news
[22:39:39] <Bytram> internet archive
[22:39:51] <chromas> hack
[22:40:13] <chromas> I don't go to the nsa and ask for backups. I should be doing it myself
[22:41:06] <chromas> Did they at least say they changed it?
[22:41:27] <chromas> Otherwise I don't know how I can trust their little note that I can totally trust them as the best news source ever
[22:41:42] <Bytram> =notes
[22:41:42] * systemd ♩ (♩) ♪ (♪) ♫ (♫) ♬ (♬) 🎜 (🎜) 🎝 (🎝) 🎵 (🎵) 🎶 (🎶)
[22:42:05] <Bytram> I didn't see anything, but feel free to check for yourself: https://www.bbc.co.uk
[22:42:16] <exec> └─ 13Coronavirus: Scientists brand 5G claims 'complete rubbish' - BBC News
[22:42:16] <chromas> I don't remember making that an action
[22:42:16] <systemd> ^ 03No, 5G does not spread coronavirus
[22:42:42] * Bytram 2nds malfunction story
[22:43:23] <chromas> Maybe that's why YouTube had the star ratings originally
[22:43:37] <chromas> They hadn't figured out how to rate videos with nipple shield icons
[22:43:52] * Bytram notes that the code comments story has a good deal of discussion. =)
[22:44:02] * chromas rates this three tits out of five
[22:44:32] <Bytram> right up there with the worst CPUs ever story.
[22:44:44] <Bytram> Nice to see some constructive discussion on the site!
[22:44:58] <chromas> Finally
[22:45:08] <Bytram> tha treminds me
[22:47:10] * Bytram just checked for a reappearance of our favorite hosts spammer.
[22:47:23] * Bytram didn't see anything recent
[22:48:01] * Bytram notes the trick is to catch it quick and hit it with a spam mod. Then no further comments can be posted from that IP for a while.
[22:48:31] <chromas> Even better, put it in your HOSTS file
[22:50:19] <Bytram> =submit excellent explanations near the bottom of the original source: +https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/key-nose-cells-identified-likely-covid-19-entry-points https://www.sciencedaily.com
[22:50:21] <systemd> Submitting "Key nose cells identified as likely COVID-19 virus entry points: Human Cell Atlas study could help understand transmission of the virus"...
[22:50:22] <exec> ├─ 13Key nose cells identified as likely COVID-19 entry points | Wellcome Sanger Institute
[22:50:22] <exec> └─ 13Key nose cells identified as likely COVID-19 virus entry points: Human Cell Atlas study could help understand transmission of the virus -- ScienceDaily
[22:50:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "08Key Nose Cells Identified as Likely COVID-19 Virus Entry Points: Human Cell Atlas Study Could Help U" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:55:40] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.sciencedaily.com
[22:55:42] <exec> └─ 13Natural mood regulation low or even absent in people with depression -- ScienceDaily
[22:55:43] <exec> 1022 stories loaded
[22:55:44] <exec> story not found
[23:00:38] * Bytram noticed that both the Mon-735 and Youtube stoies were scheduled to go out at the same time; pushed Mon-735 to a later slot.
[23:08:40] <chromas> Weird. I didn't see the story there. I assumed you'd moved it already. Thorry
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[23:09:59] <Bytram> Know probe, Lem!
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[23:10:29] <chromas> Now I see where it was
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[23:10:33] <Bytram> I just lobbed another story submission into the hopper.
[23:10:44] <chromas> Miraculously, I pressed Back in Waterfox and it didn't reload the page
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[23:13:45] <Bytram> I want you to know that having that web scraping page of your really helps a lot. Look at a story, open a new tab, launch your page, paste in the link, open a new story page, paste i a selection... couple more read throughs to get a suitable extract.... much much easier than starting from scratch and trying to make sure I caught all of the links, and dealing with the site-relative links "//path/from/here.index.html" and italics and
[23:13:45] <Bytram> bold and ....
[23:13:51] <Bytram> chromas++ thanky!
[23:13:51] <Bender> karma - chromas: 142
[23:14:19] <chromas> Thanks :D
[23:14:30] <Bytram> No, thank YOU!
[23:14:33] * chromas glows
[23:14:46] * Bytram knows
[23:14:58] <chromas> Do you ever compare the difference extractors?
[23:15:09] * Bytram sticks with what works.
[23:15:33] <Bytram> except when the entire page isn't working, saw no need to try the others.
[23:16:16] <Bytram> Is nice to have a consistent, minds-eye view of incoming html for both the bot and the scraped html from your page... less to keep track of.
[23:16:52] <Bytram> And makes it easier to tell when a user's story submission has something wrong with it.
[23:17:36] * Bytram woke up too early this morning. time for a nap or an early bedtime, depending on how things go. =)
[23:17:43] <Bytram> thanks again
[23:17:50] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!