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[01:03:12] <Bytram> http://rss.computerworld.com
[01:03:14] <systemd> ^ 03Browser makers cite coronavirus, restore support for obsolete TLS 1.0 and 1.1 encryption ( https://www.computerworld.com )
[01:05:56] <Bytram> https://www.aljazeera.com
[01:05:56] <systemd> ^ 03Bill Withers, famed 'Lean On Me' singer-songwriter, dies at 81
[01:06:06] <Bytram> ::sad face::
[01:09:22] <Bytram> #yt lean on me
[01:09:22] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Bill Withers, Stevie Wonder, John Legend perform "Lean On Me" at the 2015 Induction Ceremony
[01:09:32] <Bytram> #yt lean on me -2015
[01:09:32] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Lean On Me (스며들기 좋은 오늘)
[01:09:59] <chromas> I thought Stevie wonder died decades ago. Hm
[01:10:01] <Bytram> #yt lean on me -2015 -tcKVQSILOtw
[01:10:02] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Bill Withers Tribute Medley (Grandma's Hands, Lovely Day & Lean on Me) - COVER
[01:10:09] <Bytram> #yt lean on me -2015 -tcKVQSILOtw -cover
[01:10:09] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Lean on Me (feat. Y-Smooth)
[01:10:22] <Bytram> #yt lean on me Bill Withers -2015 -tcKVQSILOtw -cover
[01:10:22] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Tribute to Bill Withers - Lean On Me
[01:10:27] <Bytram> =yt lean on me Bill Withers -2015 -tcKVQSILOtw -cover
[01:10:28] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Lean On Me - RIP, Bill Withers (3:26)
[01:11:43] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[01:11:44] <systemd> ^ 03Bill Withers "Lean On Me" Live Restored Video Edit (R.I.P. April 3, 2020)
[01:54:21] <carny> =submit from the nobody-should-use-zoom-ever dept. https://www.schneier.com
[01:54:22] <systemd> Submitting "Security and Privacy Implications of Zoom - Schneier on Security"...
[01:54:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Security and Privacy Implications of Zoom - Schneier on Security" (46 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:57:45] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[01:57:46] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[01:57:57] <chromas> well fine
[01:58:15] <chromas> anyhow, we have a Zoom story queued
[01:58:42] <chromas> Although it's a different one
[01:59:23] <carny> is it better than bruce schneier?
[01:59:41] <Bytram> =yt send it to zoom!
[01:59:42] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Zoom - Full ending (1:7)
[02:00:05] <chromas> Tonight on Soylent News: Bruce Schneier vs Brian Krebs
[02:00:17] <Bytram> =g ""First exploration of neutron shell structure below lead and beyond N = 126"
[02:00:18] <systemd> https://link.aps.org - First Exploration of Neutron Shell Structure below Lead and beyond ...
[02:00:23] <carny> Bruce Schneier's secure handshake is so strong, you won't be able to exchange keys with anyone else for days.
[02:00:35] <Bytram> =cite https://link.aps.org
[02:01:03] <carny> Bruce Schneier once decrypted a box of AlphaBits.
[02:01:06] <chromas> There's a web site for Chuck Norris-style Schneier jokes
[02:01:20] <carny> i'm already on it ;]
[02:01:33] <carny> https://www.schneierfacts.com
[02:01:34] <systemd> ^ 03Bruce Schneier Facts
[02:01:49] <chromas> New bookmark for Bytram
[02:02:35] <carny> Bruce Schneier can snatch the pebble from your hand, even if you aren't holding a pebble.
[02:02:42] <carny> that sounds more like chuck norris
[02:03:48] <chromas> This one's topical: Bruce Schneier can straighten out an elliptic curve with nothing but his teeth
[02:03:54] <chromas> Flatten the Curve™
[02:04:02] <carny> nice ;]
[02:04:16] <chromas> They need more pictures though
[02:04:45] <chromas> Just noticed the call to =cite. Fpos bot
[02:05:10] <carny> bruce is getting a bit crusty tho
[02:05:11] <chromas> I don't know enough about gdb to handle threads
[02:05:58] <chromas> I guess I could just make a command-line tool that calls the same code so it's threadless
[02:09:17] <Bytram> =cite https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:09:17] <systemd> <p><b>Journal Reference</b><br/> Weighing in on the origin of heavy elements, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)</p>
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[03:14:00] <Bytram> =g irefox 74.0.F1
[03:14:01] <systemd> https://support.mozilla.org - Browser does not support Netflix
[03:14:08] <Bytram> =g Firefox 74.0.1
[03:14:08] <systemd> https://www.mozilla.org - Firefox 74.0.1, See All New Features, Updates and Fixes
[03:14:28] <Bytram> =g Firefox Release Notes
[03:14:29] <systemd> https://www.mozilla.org - Mozilla Firefox Release Notes
[03:15:40] <Bytram> =g Firefox announces 74.0.1
[03:15:41] <systemd> https://www.neowin.net - Firefox 74.0.1 - Neowin
[03:15:49] <Bytram> =g Firefox announces 74.0.1 -neowin
[03:15:50] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Firefox - Wikipedia
[03:47:46] <Bytram> =g CVE-2020-6819
[03:47:47] <systemd> https://www.zdnet.com - Firefox gets fixes for two zero-days exploited in the wild | ZDNet
[03:49:21] <Bytram> https://www.zdnet.com
[03:49:23] <systemd> ^ 03How to prevent your Zoom meetings being Zoom-bombed (gate-crashed) by trolls
[03:52:15] <Bytram> =g CVE-2020-6819 -zdnet
[03:52:16] <systemd> https://cve.mitre.org - CVE-2017-6819 - CVE
[03:53:03] <Fnord666> evening Bytram
[03:53:47] <Bytram> odding Fnord666 !
[03:53:56] <Fnord666> =)
[03:54:13] <Fnord666> I gnu you were going to say that
[03:54:57] <Bytram> Did knot!
[03:55:04] <Fnord666> Did sew
[03:55:27] <Bytram> Deed not!
[03:55:36] <Bytram> Did two!
[03:56:52] <Fnord666> Arguing with yourself now?
[03:58:07] <Bytram> Well, I *do* live alone, so my choices are... limited.
[03:58:21] <Bytram> At least I get to have lots of practice!
[04:00:01] <Fnord666> lol. I wonder if that's a good sign or a bad sign
[04:00:43] <Bytram> half empty half full?
[04:01:13] <Bytram> On the one hand, I lose every argument I attempt. OTOH, I win every argument, too!
[04:01:36] <Fnord666> wrong size glass?
[04:01:58] <Fnord666> or one built to govt spec
[04:02:15] <Bytram> Engineered to be two times larger than necessary.
[04:02:22] <Fnord666> kinda like an elephant is a mouse built to govt specs
[04:03:02] <Bytram> So that explains why they they get along so well together! :P
[04:03:45] <Fnord666> The way SpaceX is going through startships they should name them Enterprise
[04:03:57] <Fnord666> s/startships/starships/
[04:05:47] <Bytram> Fnord666++
[04:05:47] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 143
[04:06:48] <Fnord666> oh crap. 31 submissions in the hold queue!
[04:07:32] <Bytram> Thing is, they are not only trying to debug a new space ship (and let's not forget this is rocket science), but they are also trying to design a manufacturing line for them, as well as the testing protocols for ensuring a working product... and they don't even know yet what will work!
[04:08:04] <Fnord666> I definitely get it.
[04:09:14] <Bytram> It gets *really* interesting when all your fully-worked-out testing strategies get tossed out because they decided to change the design. Back to the etch-a-Sketch!
[04:09:15] <Fnord666> I see it as waterfall software development v. agile
[04:09:41] <Bytram> aka Boeing vs SpaceX?
[04:09:58] <Bytram> I'd put ULA in the waterfall model, too.
[04:10:01] <Bytram> =g ULA
[04:10:02] <systemd> https://www.ulalaunch.com - United Launch Alliance: ULA
[04:10:02] <Fnord666> pretty much. or Nasa before
[04:10:43] <Fnord666> an iterative approach means plenty of things that don't work, and with "don't work" in rocketry, you get spectacular failures
[04:10:49] <Bytram> NASA, before, ran hard but did a huge amount of experimenting and research.
[04:11:07] <Bytram> Can you say "Venn Diagram"
[04:11:24] * Fnord666 says Venn Diagram
[04:11:27] <Fnord666> yup!
[04:11:58] <Fnord666> I believe the term is spontaneous disassembly
[04:12:26] <Fnord666> everything is no longer "nominal"
[04:12:31] <Bytram> Go through enough permutations to cover the truth table of possibilities, and what's left after a multi-dimensional version of "Mastermind" is a working rocket ship!
[04:12:55] <Bytram> RUD: Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.
[04:13:00] <Bytram> =g RUD
[04:13:01] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Rud | Definition of Rud by Merriam-Webster
[04:13:09] <Bytram> =g RUD -m-w
[04:13:10] <systemd> https://en.wiktionary.org - rud - Wiktionary
[04:13:18] <Fnord666> As long as you've covered enough dimensions
[04:13:21] <Bytram> =g RUD SpaceX
[04:13:22] <systemd> https://www.theguardian.com - This is what a 'rapid unscheduled disassembly' looks like | Science ...
[04:13:54] <Fnord666> yup, that's what it looks like all right
[04:16:08] <Fnord666> Bytram, when you did the last covid merge, did you just select them all and hit merge?
[04:18:56] <Bytram> yes... and be aware it pays no attention to the order of the submissions. :/
[04:19:30] <Bytram> click the checkbox that selects all of them, then click the "Merge" button.
[04:22:47] <Fnord666> ok
[04:23:06] * Bytram 2nds free-floating stars
[04:26:08] <Bytram> 2nding 6 GHz wifi
[04:26:33] <Bytram> whereto? https://redirect.viglink.com
[04:26:35] <systemd> ^ 03What you should know about Wi-Fi 6 and the 6-GHz band ( https://www.testandmeasurementtips.com )
[04:30:10] <Bytram> zoom story looks extremely familiar
[04:30:50] <Fnord666> Schneiers?
[04:31:05] <Bytram> yep
[04:31:07] <Fnord666> We have almost as many zoom stories as covid ones
[04:31:29] <Bytram> but do you ever see them in the same room?
[04:31:42] <Fnord666> ah!
[04:31:52] <Bytram> Chew!
[04:31:57] <Fnord666> bacca!
[04:32:28] <Fnord666> I searched for schneier before running it and didn't find any previous stories
[04:34:32] <Bytram> Not the exact same, physical story. But the zoom bombing we have covered, but now I think I read about TFA's security issues on Ars Technica, instead.
[04:36:07] <Fnord666> there's been a bunch of coverage but Schneier's article does a good job of rolling them all into one story
[04:36:41] <Bytram> yes, that is for sure.
[04:37:13] <Bytram> I was tempted to pull it from story consideration,
[04:38:08] <Fnord666> Your call. I won't be upset. :)
[04:41:44] <Bytram> 2nded and still in the queue.
[04:42:50] <Fnord666> adding "previously" links
[04:43:20] <Fnord666> never mind.
[04:43:23] <Fnord666> You got it already
[04:44:25] <Fnord666> thanks
[04:45:50] <Bytram> =)
[04:47:10] <Fnord666> teamwork++
[04:47:10] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 226
[04:47:19] <Fnord666> Bytram++
[04:47:19] <Bender> karma - bytram: 90
[04:48:40] <Bytram> indeed
[04:48:46] <Bytram> teamwork
[04:49:04] <Bytram> and that, my friend, marks the end of the day for me.
[04:50:00] <Bytram> Especially appreciate the wordplay at the outset!
[04:50:07] <Fnord666> :)
[04:50:21] <Bytram> It takes a certain mastery of the language to pull off such bon mots!
[04:50:24] <Fnord666> good night and pleasant dreams my friend
[04:50:33] <Bytram> and the same to you!
[04:50:44] <Bytram> laters!
[04:52:45] <Bytram> teamwork++
[04:52:46] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 227
[04:52:58] <Bytram> =yt this time for sure bullwinkle
[04:52:59] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Rocky and Bullwinkle Hat Trick (1:18)
[05:01:12] <Fnord666> ~eds I did a bad thing. I was trying to merge all of the coronavirus stories and accidently merged the regular queue instead.
[05:02:29] <Fnord666> https://soylentnews.org
[05:02:30] <systemd> ^ 03Merge: Fnord666 (04/04 04:53 GMT): SoylentNews Submission
[05:08:14] <Fnord666> manually restoring them now
[05:11:39] <Fnord666> but submitters are going to see that their story was accepted so something will need to be communicated out because their stories may or may not actually be run
[05:43:12] <Fnord666> all restored
[05:43:24] <Fnord666> ~weather
[05:44:13] <Fnord666> why is exec never around when I need him/her?
[07:27:06] <janrinok> for you the weather is overcast with a risk of embarrassment - clearing up later ;)
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[09:38:35] <Fnord666_> Ok, the coronavirus roundup is ready for someone else to take a look at.
[09:39:53] <Fnord666_> It's all getting a bit blurry ATM.
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[13:13:29] <janrinok> ~tell spiraldancing - you will only see comments that are made whilst you are logged in unless you have the ZNC bouncer set up. Did you do that with Juggs/Deucalion or not?
[13:13:40] <janrinok> damn - no bot
[13:14:46] <chromas> #tell janrinok test
[13:14:46] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[13:14:48] <janrinok> earth calling botmaster, earth calling botmaster - please hit the appropriate box with a big stick
[13:15:43] <janrinok> well, tell me then
[13:16:42] <janrinok> even the bots don't speak to me nowadays - prolly because we are in lockdown for another 2 weeks yet
[13:17:50] <janrinok> MrPlow - is there anyone alive? Am I alone...?
[13:19:35] <janrinok> Well the good news is that I saw a moving vehicle today. We had a cup of tea to celebrate... Not sure that S believed me though.
[13:19:38] <chromas> Weird. I got a message when I tested it
[13:19:45] <chromas> Did you check for PMs?
[13:19:57] <janrinok> I answered your PM
[13:20:16] <janrinok> or, more correctly, the PM from MrPlow
[13:21:02] <chromas> Sounds like he's working then
[13:21:25] <janrinok> ~tell chromas test test test
[13:21:45] <chromas> MrPlow's filling in for exec today
[13:21:57] <janrinok> not very well apparently
[13:22:09] <chromas> He takes a pound
[13:22:22] <janrinok> usually we get an acknowledgement
[13:22:33] <janrinok> #tell chromas test test test
[13:22:33] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[13:23:01] <janrinok> and to us Brits "£" is a pound!
[13:23:14] <chromas> Test message that should trigger MrPlow to PM me
[13:23:19] <chromas> PM received
[13:23:37] <janrinok> when did we change from exec to MrP
[13:24:01] <chromas> exec died yesterday or so. Needs some res erection
[13:24:04] <janrinok> #tell spiraldancing - you will only see comments that are made whilst you are logged in unless you have the ZNC bouncer set up. Did you do that with Juggs/Deucalion or not?
[13:24:04] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[13:24:39] <janrinok> we all need an erection, res or otherwise
[13:25:09] <janrinok> there's bugger all else to do on this fine sunny day
[13:26:05] <chromas> How's the garden coming?
[13:26:50] <janrinok> I've cut the grass, murdered a few weeds, but without being able to hire the necessary hardware I cannot do the major tasks that are outstanding
[13:27:15] <janrinok> needs considerable landscaping now
[13:28:37] <janrinok> I'm currently fighting with an nginx server trying to get it to play nicely with uwsgi and Python. It works to a degree, but not like the manual says it should
[13:30:13] <janrinok> Bearing in mind that I have to help S every 60 minutes or so, I cannot get into the zone without another essential interruption
[13:35:31] <chromas> I haven't used uwsgi though it's one of the many thousands of cgi alternatives I looked at awhile back
[13:36:47] <janrinok> well I've tried uwsgi and fastcgi, but the interface to Flask works in a limited fashion, but doesn't allow Flask to manage routings as it should.
[13:39:57] <chromas> That's weird. Been awhile since I messed with injun-ex but in apache, when setting up the proxy, I had to not end the path with a / or else it doesn't work without it
[13:40:09] <chromas> So like if I had /wiki/ then I couldn't access /wiki
[13:40:53] <janrinok> nginx does it slightly differently I believe
[13:41:36] <chromas> But if I make the path /wiki then I can access /wiki/ and it passes the / into the path variable. Web servers are weird
[13:42:39] <chromas> I think the reason I went back to apache is because of nextcloud or something not working as a subdirectory no matter how many different configurations I copied from the internet
[13:42:46] <chromas> (for nginx)
[13:43:24] <chromas> What're you buildin'?
[13:44:18] <janrinok> Many people have got it working fine - but 1. they all do it differently, and 2. they only go so far as showing the basic setup which works for me, but using a socket transport ignores the URI routing
[13:44:51] <janrinok> Trying to identify the critical bits from a dozen or more different sources is confusing the hell out of me
[13:45:18] <chromas> That was the problem I had
[13:46:41] <janrinok> I've got several utilities - some from you - that use a web server to handle stories and other processing. I'd like to set up a local server that does just that - but of course it has to interface to Python 3 - which has been done a million times but all apparently differently
[13:47:43] <janrinok> I've already got a local server (Apache) serving standard html pages etc, but I don't want to play with that as everytime it throws a wobbly it stops a hundred other different things from working.
[13:48:21] <chromas> You can make your apache be a proxy for another apache :D
[13:48:28] <janrinok> So I have a box with just nginx and the associated software on it so that I can solve the problem without interrupting other stuff that I need to keep working
[13:49:09] <chromas> Maybe I should setup nginx and python. If I get it to work, then you can have another set of instructions that won't work :)
[13:50:22] <janrinok> The problem is that the server doesn't talk to my apps - it will under certain limited conditions. But anything more than the basic online examples fall over whenever I try to do something useful. I can reconfigure the uwsgi to solve a problem, but then I find I have to reconfigure the nginx too.
[13:52:52] <janrinok> the nginx server works as advertised - but the examples for uwsgi/Python 3 are all inconsistent with each other and stop too soon in the examples.
[13:54:23] <janrinok> rather than get one app working to an advanced level, they all concentrate on getting multiple simple apps going simultaneously.
[13:55:40] <chromas> uwsgi looks more complicated than I thought. Glad I went with scgi.
[13:55:59] <chromas> I assume you've seen this page https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io
[13:56:00] <systemd> ^ 03Nginx support — uWSGI 2.0 documentation
[13:56:30] <janrinok> Yep, and a million others similar (but not the same) too, but thanks for the link
[14:01:05] <chromas> I didn't remember python being case-sensitive but I guess their projects are
[14:01:18] <chromas> uWSGI vs uwsgi
[14:01:50] <chromas> Seems like they could use some more confusement
[14:01:51] <janrinok> yeah - everybody agrees that the naming isn't a good idea, but it is too late now
[14:02:22] <janrinok> brb 2
[14:06:38] <janrinok> back
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[14:18:39] <janrinok> spiraldancing, hi!
[14:26:40] <janrinok> Fnord666, I've done a 2nd Ed on the CV round-up. A few insignificant minor changes but it look good to go. I have left it as No Display so that you can choose a release time of your liking.
[15:03:37] <janrinok> afk
[15:30:00] <Bytram> janrinok: So, in short "YOU ARE IN A LITTLE MAZE OF TWISTING PASSAGES, ALL DIFFERENT."
[15:30:02] <Bytram> ;)
[15:30:06] <Bytram> Goodluck!
[17:11:06] <Fnord666> Thank you janrinok
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[19:29:37] <Bytram> teamwork++
[19:29:37] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 228
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[23:15:30] <Deucalion> And over here for spiral
[23:15:34] <Deucalion> When you return
[23:15:36] <Deucalion> :D
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[23:27:09] <Bytram> whereto? https://arstechnica.com
[23:27:10] <systemd> ^ 03Frontier prepares for bankruptcy, regrets failure to install enough fiber
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