#editorial | Logs for 2020-03-21

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[00:14:12] <Bytram> =cite https://www.biorxiv.org
[00:14:14] <systemd> Death recognition by undertaker bees [$], <cite>bioRxiv</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.05.978262">10.1101/2020.03.05.978262</a>)
[00:34:54] <Bytram> Fnord666: Ping!
[00:35:31] <Fnord666> Pong!
[00:37:48] <Fnord666> Bytram - related story for NASA "NASA to Launch 247 Petabytes of Data Into AWS - but Forgot About Egress Costs"
[00:38:14] <Fnord666> https://soylentnews.org
[00:38:16] <systemd> ^ 03NASA to Launch 247 Petabytes of Data Into AWS - but Forgot About Egress Costs - SoylentNews
[00:38:17] <exec> └─ 13NASA to Launch 247 Petabytes of Data Into AWS - but Forgot About Egress Costs - SoylentNews
[00:39:32] <Bytram> I checked, calculated a time, pasted it in, and poof you had already snuck a story into *my* slot! For shame!! ;)
[00:39:46] <Fnord666> related to duck company ideas
[00:39:48] <Fnord666> https://www.amazon.com
[00:39:57] * Fnord666 is ashamed
[00:40:16] * Bytram is tired
[00:40:21] * Bytram yawns
[00:40:21] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[00:47:51] <Fnord666> =declined
[00:47:51] <systemd> Thanks for submitting this story. It appears that no editor has yet selected this story to be run. At least a week has passed since the story was submitted, and if an editor was going to have selected it, they would likely have done so by now. It has, therefore, been removed from the submission queue.
[00:50:33] <Fnord666> bytram - I adjusted your story for weekend spacing
[00:58:44] <Bytram> oh? oh! Thanks!
[00:59:51] <Bytram> I keep forgetting that!
[01:00:51] <Bytram> Fnord666++ thanks!
[01:00:51] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 138
[01:00:54] <Bytram> teamwork++
[01:00:54] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 224
[01:01:51] <Fnord666> =)
[01:02:17] <Fnord666> How's your Friday been?
[01:03:32] <Bytram> Full.
[01:03:54] <Bytram> Been following up on: https://soylentnews.org
[01:03:57] <systemd> ^ 03Changing the Site UI to Making Long Stories Easier to Navigate -- Input Requested - SoylentNews
[01:03:58] <exec> └─ 13Changing the Site UI to Making Long Stories Easier to Navigate -- Input Requested - SoylentNews
[01:04:30] <Bytram> I probably am close to an all-time-high in the number of comments i posted in one day. =)
[01:04:38] <Fnord666> lol
[01:05:14] <Bytram> Hey, if I'm going to ask for feedback, it behooves me to pay attention to what the community says!
[01:05:51] <Fnord666> yup
[01:06:03] <Bytram> And if they are making an effort to provide feedback, I like to acknowledge it, answer questions, and straighten out misconceptions or provide elaboration where needed.
[01:06:14] <Fnord666> "ask and ye shall receive" or "be careful what you wish for"
[01:06:45] <Bytram> how 'bout this: "Be careful where you wish FROM."
[01:07:31] <Bytram> If it comes from my head, then it is probably selfish or self-seeking. If it is from my heart, then I am probably trying to help someone. Big difference!
[01:08:09] * Bytram heard that on a retreat he went to some 20-or-so years ago.
[01:09:27] <Fnord666> I like it!
[01:09:58] <Bytram> Figured you would. =)
[01:12:11] <Bytram> Hmmm, I have an idea. Yes, I know... that could be dangerous!!!
[01:14:05] <Bytram> okaaay. getting there.
[01:24:53] <Fnord666> biab. Tea++
[01:35:30] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:35:42] <Fnord666> back
[01:35:52] <Bytram> how are your image manipulation skills?
[01:36:54] <Bytram> I'm trying to get a screen cap of the new "Skip to comment(s)" button I created on dev, but shrunk to the same size as the printer icon that appears in the title bar at the top of a comment.
[01:37:09] <Bytram> welcome back, btw!
[01:40:30] <chromas> You can use a unicode glyph: 🖨🖶
[01:40:35] <Fnord666> what image program do you have?
[01:40:47] <Bytram> other way around
[01:40:58] <Bytram> Have screen cap of dev page.
[01:40:59] <chromas> 🗨🗩🗪🗫
[01:41:12] <Bytram> has "Skip to comment(s)" button in it
[01:41:25] <Bytram> trying to extract just the button
[01:41:36] <Bytram> and then resize it to same height as the printer icon
[01:43:20] <chromas> Seems like the skip button should be betwixt the story and extended sections
[01:44:20] <Fnord666> I normally do a print screen, then paste into an image program. crop then resize as needed
[01:45:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:45:39] <chromas> There's an anchor tag called topcomment that is lower on the page
[01:45:41] * Bytram is using paint.exe on winders
[01:46:16] <chromas> You can use css to resize the button to the size you want, then screenshot it
[01:46:47] <Bytram> thanksfully, it is a png, so I don't have to worry about raster issues
[01:47:08] * Bytram did a bunch of Ctrl-+
[01:47:16] <Bytram> got is as large as I could
[01:47:20] <Bytram> screen cap
[01:47:24] <Bytram> paste into paint
[01:47:47] <Bytram> move around so button was in upper left-hand corner
[01:47:50] <Bytram> crop
[01:47:54] <Bytram> zoom in
[01:47:58] <Bytram> lots!
[01:48:05] <Bytram> view grid lines
[01:48:11] <Bytram> precisely crop
[01:48:25] <Bytram> (right up to the edge of the button)
[01:48:28] <Bytram> save as
[01:48:50] <Bytram> now have: PNG image data, 381 x 56, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[01:50:03] <Bytram> doh!
[01:50:18] <Bytram> it was originlly created with CSS, I bet
[01:51:47] <Fnord666> not sure if it's the right size though
[01:52:21] <Fnord666> Bytram, sending you image now
[01:52:54] <Fnord666> would be interesting to see the result using CSS actually
[01:55:03] * Bytram thinks he flubbed receiving the file
[01:56:39] <Fnord666> sending now
[01:57:35] <Fnord666> connection timed out
[01:58:16] <Bytram> I think my firewall is blocking it
[01:58:59] <Bytram> email? martyb (at) soylentnews dot org
[02:00:01] <Fnord666> PMed you a link
[02:09:53] <Bytram> got it.
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[17:33:39] <SoyCow8162> ~arthur https://www.vice.com
[17:34:09] <SoyCow8162> #submit https://www.vice.com
[17:34:11] <exec> └─ 13Here's What Facebook's Internal Facial Recognition App Looked Like - VICE
[17:34:19] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:34:44] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:34:47] <SoyCow8162> #submit https://www.theguardian.com
[17:34:47] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:34:48] <exec> └─ 13The tech execs who don't agree with 'soul-stealing' coronavirus safety measures | Technology | The Guardian
[17:35:13] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[18:27:08] <Bytram> #weather greenville, SC
[18:27:14] <Bytram> #weather greenville, SC
[18:27:15] <MrPlow> Trio, East Coffee St, Greenville, SC 29601, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 81/49F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 29%, Wind ~4mph. Sun: "Light rain in the evening and overnight." 59/47F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 67%, Wind ~9mph. Mon: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 56/45F, Humidity: 88%, Precip: 97%, Wind ~5mph.
[18:31:35] <Bytram> =cite https://dl.acm.org
[18:31:38] <exec> └─ 13Coterie | Proceedings of the Twenty-Fifth International Conference on Architectural Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems
[18:33:41] <Bytram> =cite https://www.purdue.edu
[18:33:41] <systemd> Novel system allows untethered high-quality multi-player VR @PurdueRP, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
[18:33:42] <exec> └─ 13Novel system allows untethered high-quality multi-player VR - Purdue University News
[18:50:08] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[18:50:09] <systemd> ^ 03Skip to comment(s) -- Second Try [Updated: 2020-03-21 15:06:00 UTC] - SoylentNews
[18:50:09] <exec> └─ 13Skip to comment(s) -- Second Try [Updated: 2020-03-21 15:06:00 UTC] - SoylentNews
[18:52:55] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation
[18:52:55] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Mystery meat navigation - Wikipedia
[18:53:03] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation -Wikipedia
[18:53:04] <systemd> https://www.freecodecamp.org - Material Design and the Mystery Meat Navigation Problem
[18:53:18] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation -Wikipedia -material
[18:53:19] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Mystery Meat Navigation's Archtype - YouTube
[18:53:29] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation -Wikipedia -material -Archtype
[18:53:29] <systemd> https://twitter.com - Luke Wroblewski on Twitter: "Don't ever say you don't have choices ...
[18:53:47] <chromas> =g define mystery meat navigation
[18:53:48] <Bytram> =g web pages that such
[18:53:48] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Mystery meat navigation - Wikipedia
[18:53:49] <systemd> https://developer.mozilla.org - What is the difference between webpage, website, web server, and ...
[18:54:41] <Bytram> At a school cafeteria: I don't know what it is, but I think I will try ... that... and see what happens.
[18:54:49] <Bytram> =g web pages that suck
[18:54:50] <systemd> http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com - Web Pages That Suck - learn good web design by looking at bad ...
[18:58:08] <Bytram> What WAS his name? Darn!
[18:58:56] <chromas> Vincent Flanders?
[18:58:58] <Bytram> Big name in the business, about usability and design of web pages.
[18:59:02] <Bytram> nope
[18:59:06] <Bytram> neil???
[18:59:39] <chromas> Never heard of 'im
[18:59:44] <Bytram> workplace brought him in to give us an afternoon talk on the whats and the whys of good web design
[18:59:52] <Bytram> neilson?
[19:00:00] <Bytram> web design neilson
[19:00:05] <Bytram> =g web design neilson
[19:00:06] <systemd> https://www.nngroup.com - Top 10 Mistakes in Web Design - Nielsen Norman Group
[19:00:14] <chromas> ah yes. Leslie Neilson
[19:00:38] <Bytram> https://www.nngroup.com
[19:00:39] <systemd> ^ 03Jakob Nielsen, Ph.D. and Principal at Nielsen Norman Group
[19:00:40] <exec> └─ 13Jakob Nielsen, Ph.D. and Principal at Nielsen Norman Group
[19:00:41] <Bytram> LOL
[19:04:31] <janrinok> Bytram, how's things? Your patch on dev looks very good
[19:05:58] <Bytram> obrigato!
[19:06:06] <Bytram> djing kwea!
[19:06:22] <Bytram> spacebo!
[19:06:40] <janrinok> I assume that djing kwea is chinese/asian?
[19:06:51] <Bytram> Early morning for me, so starting to drag a little....
[19:06:52] <janrinok> spasibo
[19:07:03] <Bytram> want another guess?
[19:07:10] <janrinok> nope
[19:07:17] <Bytram> try a different continent
[19:07:23] <Bytram> Europe
[19:07:29] <Bytram> Poland
[19:07:37] <Bytram> =g poland thank you
[19:07:38] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - How to Say "Thank You" in Polish | Polish Lessons - YouTube
[19:07:44] <Bytram> =g poland thank you -youtube
[19:07:45] <systemd> https://thankpoland.info - Thank Poland letter
[19:07:48] <Bytram> lol
[19:07:57] <janrinok> doesn't look polish to me, but I'll take your word for it
[19:07:58] <Bytram> =g poland thank you wiktionary
[19:07:59] <systemd> https://en.wiktionary.org - thank you - Wiktionary
[19:08:26] <Bytram> Polish: dziękuję
[19:08:33] <janrinok> Dziękuję Ci
[19:08:37] <Bytram> LOL!
[19:09:34] <Bytram> here's one for ya...
[19:09:50] <Bytram> nouns in French have different genders, right?
[19:09:56] <janrinok> correct
[19:10:24] <Bytram> So the word "the" takes on different forms depending on the gender of the noun that follows it
[19:10:32] <janrinok> yep
[19:10:40] <Bytram> and singular/pural, etcc.
[19:10:52] <janrinok> yep 'ish
[19:11:05] <Bytram> there are languages where the word that is used depends on the gender... of the person speaking it.
[19:11:34] <janrinok> I can't think of one, but I don't know that many languages
[19:12:05] <Bytram> Portuguese: obrigado (pt) (said by male), obrigada (pt) (said by female), bem haja (pt), muito obrigado (pt)
[19:12:11] <janrinok> but lets say 'yep' for the sake of argument
[19:12:18] <Bytram> Ayuh!
[19:13:13] <janrinok> ah, yes, I have seen that and understand why it is so
[19:13:48] <Bytram> I've seen it, but I fail to understand its usefulness, unless the men and women look the same?
[19:13:57] <Bytram> j/k
[19:14:13] <janrinok> I'm trying to think of an example that would explain it in English.
[19:15:33] <janrinok> Imagine 'it is pleasing to me'. The 'me' would be different for male or female. 'To' would suggest the dative case, so you would need the appropriate gender of the dative case for 'me'
[19:15:39] <Bytram> Do understand I am not saying I think it is wrong; it's just that after 3 years' study of German, I can quite readily handle different word use for different genders, but not when it is self-referential.
[19:15:52] <Bytram> Es ist mir sehr gut!
[19:15:53] <janrinok> that's probably as clear as mud because I haven't explained it very well
[19:15:57] <Bytram> it is to me very good
[19:16:20] <Bytram> AHA! Got it!
[19:16:31] <Bytram> Es ist mir gar nichts!
[19:16:45] <Bytram> It is, to me, nothing at all.
[19:16:52] <janrinok> for example, consider a reflexive verb - I wash myself. The myself would have to reflect the gender of the person saying it
[19:16:58] <Bytram> nodnod
[19:17:14] <Bytram> I just gave two examples from German...
[19:17:33] <Bytram> it is ... similar, but different
[19:17:43] <janrinok> Not in many languages but certainly in some. Yep, I saw, but in German it doesn't do the same thing.
[19:17:59] <Bytram> as soon as yu explained it with an example and then mentioned dative case, that nailed it.
[19:18:39] <Bytram> No, it doesn't... but, they are so rigorous in their grammar, once you gave an example, I could see how that could manifest.
[19:18:51] <Bytram> Es ist uns sehr gut.
[19:18:55] <Bytram> it is to us vry good.
[19:19:02] <janrinok> Now some languages use the dative case, but in others (English) the word is the same in both cases
[19:19:31] <janrinok> the case is implied by the 'to'
[19:19:41] <Bytram> got it.
[19:20:11] <Bytram> mere see!
[19:20:42] <janrinok> Now somebody is going to come along and point out variations that don't follow that rule - but every language (except Esperanto) has exceptions
[19:21:16] <janrinok> Esperanto was intended to simplify that sort of thing as well as being a universal language
[19:21:16] <Bytram> btw, I don't recall if I properly acknowledged it, but I'm glad you liked the ... buttonless button for skipping to comments.
[19:21:45] <Bytram> almost universally nobody uses it?
[19:21:49] <Bytram> ;0
[19:22:23] <chromas> Nobody like languages without exceptions. Except a few people.
[19:22:31] <janrinok> Yep, I had a play with it. We need to produce a guide on all the possible click options on a normal story page that produce different actions.
[19:22:54] <janrinok> I had completely forgotten the clicking of the comment count function
[19:22:58] * Bytram has a few higher-priority items on his plate.
[19:23:11] <janrinok> chromas, yep, you are right there! lol
[19:23:13] <Bytram> easier target is the entire story title.
[19:23:36] <janrinok> but I'll bet that some people don't know that either
[19:25:06] <Bytram> OTOH, there is a toggle which enables "subcounts" of links to comments. "0, 2, 6, 12, 23, 6 Comments" Means there were 0 comments modded 5, 2 modded 6, ... and 6 moderated to -1.
[19:25:34] <Bytram> click on one of the numbers to start off with that as your (?) threshold.
[19:25:41] <janrinok> that's not one that I can remember ever using
[19:25:57] <Bytram> came from /.
[19:26:45] <janrinok> I suppose if I had the time I could wade through the code looking for similar functions
[19:27:10] <Bytram> When there were 100+ comments to a story, I might click so as to only select the +5 or +4 and up, so as to get a selection that I cold read in a reasonable amount of time.
[19:27:39] <Bytram> Oh,l what I am saying is the code should still be there. We just need to turn it on, and see how well it doesn't work.
[19:27:41] <janrinok> good idea - but I didn't know it existed
[19:27:46] <Bytram> =)
[19:28:03] <janrinok> that's the QA in you talking...
[19:29:50] <Bytram> given how much of the early days was just trying to find ANY paths through the code that worked, I'm sure a bunch of "dark corridors" were walled off until they could be examined and cleaned up later... and later never comes. So, here be dragons!
[19:30:39] <janrinok> perhaps one day we will have the time...
[19:30:45] <chromas> Sounds like it's time to start deleting code. A good time will be had by all.
[19:31:12] <Bytram> I want to say it the name was something like railroad or crumbs or some such.
[19:31:30] <Bytram> anyway, I'm fading fast and think I'll take a nap.
[19:31:58] <Bytram> Fnord666++ thanks for taking up the slack when I gave out last night!
[19:31:58] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 139
[19:32:01] <chromas> breadcrumbs is a thing in ui
[19:32:02] <janrinok> it's almost time for my bed
[19:32:03] <Bytram> nhaps++
[19:32:03] <Bender> karma - nhaps: 1
[19:32:08] <Bytram> naps++
[19:32:08] <Bender> karma - naps: 9
[19:32:43] <Bytram> grate mimes think alike
[19:33:04] <janrinok> just waiting for S to say that she has had enough for today, and then I will be soon tucked up in my own bed
[19:33:09] * Bytram is even too tried to come up wiht a guord pun
[19:33:16] <Bytram> nodnod
[19:33:25] <janrinok> not tired enough apparently
[19:33:47] <Bytram> give her a pinch for me, eh? On second thought, better not, let her fall peacefully to sleep.
[19:34:22] <Bytram> and may you have a full and restful night, as well!
[19:34:27] <janrinok> I'll go and check in a moment - she might have fallen asleep watching TV - but I will pass your best wishes on as soon as I can
[19:34:49] <janrinok> thanks, and I hope you have a good day after your nap
[19:35:44] <Bytram> obrigado
[19:35:47] <Bytram> obrigada
[19:35:55] <Bytram> whatevah!
[19:35:57] <Bytram> =)
[19:36:09] <janrinok> depends on how you walk ....
[19:37:52] <Fnord666> howdy Bytram janrinok
[19:38:52] <Fnord666> hope everyone is doing well
[19:43:06] <janrinok> hi Fnord666
[19:43:19] <janrinok> yep, but it is the end of my day
[19:46:52] <janrinok> I've not gone stir crazy yet - in fact I managed to get about 40 minutes exercise/gardening in today. Other than that, we are pretty restricted when it comes to going outside the home.
[19:47:08] <Fnord666> same here
[19:47:25] <Fnord666> working from home and not going anywhere that is non-essential
[19:47:48] <janrinok> plenty of things to keep me busy inside the home, but they are not all things that I want to do!
[19:47:55] <Fnord666> exactly
[19:48:56] <janrinok> were you working today?
[19:49:08] <Fnord666> not today
[19:49:17] <Fnord666> fortunately I can work from home
[19:49:34] <Fnord666> I mean techincally I did a little work but I wasn't "working"
[19:49:59] <janrinok> understood
[19:50:18] <Fnord666> yourself?
[19:50:44] <janrinok> retired years ago!
[19:50:52] <Fnord666> nice!
[19:51:32] <Fnord666> How is S doing?
[19:51:37] <janrinok> you have to retire from the military at 55, so I am making the most of my retirement!
[19:51:55] <Fnord666> ah, good old mandatory retirement
[19:52:29] <janrinok> she is coping well, I'm just waiting for her to fall asleep and then I can go to bed myself. I can hear the TV but she _might_ have fallen asleep watching it. I'll check in a minute or two
[19:52:41] <Fnord666> gotcha
[19:52:50] <Fnord666> and that's good to hear
[19:53:09] <Fnord666> You two are never far from my thoughts
[19:53:18] <janrinok> yep, she is tired after about 6pm but she likes to watch nature programs etc
[19:53:22] <Fnord666> even more so these days
[19:54:11] <janrinok> that's very kind of you, many thanks. We have two cases within 1km or so but we suspect it will spread eventually
[19:55:13] <Fnord666> hopefully they will have a vaccine sooner rather than late
[19:55:16] <Fnord666> late
[19:55:19] <Fnord666> later
[19:56:51] <Fnord666> do you have a vegetable garden?
[19:58:49] <Fnord666> and i meant sooner rather than later on the vaccine, not as in see you later.
[20:03:57] <janrinok> I didn't grow veggies last year nor do I intend to this unless the virus goes quickly - the seed shops are not open now.
[20:04:12] <janrinok> S is off to sleep now.
[20:05:17] <janrinok> I do have a large garden that is divided into a formal garden, an area for veggies and fruit trees, and a wild patch which attracts lots of wildlife
[20:05:44] <Fnord666> nice
[20:06:11] <janrinok> I was hoping to put a permanent pathway around it all so that S could get out in her wheelchair but my plans for this year seem to be slipping away ;)
[20:06:53] <Fnord666> that would be a cool project
[20:07:55] <Fnord666> and yeah, plans have a way of doing that
[20:08:43] <janrinok> still got plenty of time for the path once we are allowed to go purchase the necessary bits and pieces so that is still achievable this year
[20:09:02] <janrinok> but I should really getting the summer veggies in the ground by now.
[20:10:18] <janrinok> well, time for my bed too. Thanks for the chat, perhaps catch up with you again tomorrow?
[20:12:21] <Fnord666> that sounds like a plan
[20:12:27] <janrinok> k, cu then
[20:12:34] <Fnord666> l8r
[20:12:49] <Fnord666> good night and pleasant dreams
[20:13:04] <Fnord666> give S a hug for me as well
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[23:35:03] <Bytram> =cite https://doi.org
[23:35:07] <exec> └─ 13303 See Other
[23:35:16] <Bytram> okaaay
[23:35:41] <Bytram> =cite https://www.nature.com
[23:35:45] <exec> └─ 13303 See Other
[23:36:06] <Bytram> =g "Estimating food production in an urban landscape"
[23:36:07] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Estimating food production in an urban landscape | Scientific Reports