#editorial | Logs for 2020-01-03

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[01:34:22] <Bytram> =cite https://science.sciencemag.org
[01:34:25] <systemd> On-chip integrated laser-driven particle accelerator [$], <cite>Science</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aay5734">10.1126/science.aay5734</a>)
[01:34:26] <exec> └─ 13On-chip integrated laser-driven particle accelerator | Science
[01:34:27] <exec> └─ 13Error: DOI Not Found
[01:45:25] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[01:45:26] <systemd> ^ 03Spear-wielding female Amazons may be more than an ancient myth, archaeologists say ( https://www.cnet.com )
[01:45:28] <exec> └─ 13Spear-wielding Amazon women may not just be ancient myth, archaeologists find - CNET
[01:47:16] <Bytram> better article: https://www.washingtonpost.com
[01:47:26] <systemd> ^ 03Amazons were long considered a myth. These discoveries show warrior women were real.
[01:47:35] <exec> └─ 13Amazon warrior women were real, new research shows - The Washington Post
[01:51:19] <Bytram> =cite https://www.eurekalert.org
[01:51:20] <systemd> Archaeologists found the burial of Scythian Amazon with a head dress on Don, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
[01:51:21] <exec> └─ 13Archaeologists found the burial of Scythian Amazon with a head dress on Don | EurekAlert! Science News
[01:51:22] <exec> └─ 13Page Not Found
[01:57:30] <chromas> guess I need to work on the citation extractor majiggerator
[01:57:58] <Bytram> the HTML is *atrocious* ... is no wonder it choked
[02:02:40] <chromas> I also see there's nothing for it to've cited though, so I guess it works out
[02:02:40] <Bytram> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com
[02:02:46] <systemd> ^ 03An Early Armenian female warrior of the 8–6 century BC from Bover I site (Armenia) ( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com )
[02:02:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:02:57] <Bytram> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com
[02:03:24] <Bytram> hrmmm
[02:03:31] <chromas> from the stuck-thread dept.
[02:03:43] <Bytram> maybe the access token was needed in the uri?
[02:04:06] <chromas> should've at least grabbed the title
[02:04:09] * Bytram clicked and it loaded in my browser
[02:04:10] <chromas> works in waterfox
[02:04:22] <chromas> =cite https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com
[02:04:22] <systemd> An Early Armenian female warrior of the 8–6 century BC from Bover I site (Armenia), <cite>International Journal of Osteoarchaeology</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1002/oa.2838">10.1002/oa.2838</a>)
[02:04:24] <exec> └─ 13Error: DOI Not Found
[02:04:36] <Bytram> Mare sea!
[02:04:37] <chromas> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com
[02:04:38] <systemd> ^ 03An Early Armenian female warrior of the 8–6 century BC from Bover I site (Armenia)
[02:04:42] <chromas> weird
[02:04:46] * Bytram was just about to do that
[02:05:00] <chromas> =threadcount
[02:05:00] <systemd> 4
[02:05:05] <chromas> #smake
[02:05:05] <MrPlow> #smake <someone>
[02:44:59] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[02:45:00] <systemd> ^ 03Misleading video of Joe Biden is another test for Twitter, Facebook and YouTube ( https://www.cnet.com )
[02:45:01] <exec> └─ 13Misleading video of Joe Biden is another test for Twitter, Facebook and YouTube - CNET
[02:45:37] <Bytram> Yeesh! My internet connection is imitating be a yoyo!
[02:48:50] <Bytram> so... no link to the video in question, either?!
[02:49:53] <carny> youtube is censoring all kinds of content now
[02:50:03] <carny> mostly anything that is anti-left
[02:50:19] <Bytram> I wonder if this is the one: https://www.youtube.com
[02:50:20] <systemd> ^ 03Watch unedited Joe Biden Clip Discussing ‘Our European Culture’ - No Deceptive GOP Editing
[02:50:21] <exec> └─ 13Watch unedited Joe Biden Clip Discussing ‘Our European Culture’ - No Deceptive GOP Editing - YouTube
[02:50:36] <carny> apparently they're getting rid of obama speeches where he says things that can be used against democrats
[02:51:24] <Bytram> [citation needed]
[02:56:22] <carny> https://www.reddit.com
[02:56:23] <systemd> ^ 03reddit.com: quarantined ( https://www.reddit.com )
[02:56:25] <exec> └─ 13reddit.com: quarantined
[02:56:25] <exec> └─ 13reddit.com: quarantined
[02:56:29] <carny> lol
[02:56:39] <carny> you can't even talk about it anymore
[02:57:22] <carny> https://www.freerepublic.com
[02:57:22] <systemd> ^ 03OBAMA: "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun." - Search for video
[02:57:25] <exec> └─ 13OBAMA: "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun." - Search for video
[02:58:02] <carny> pretty soon sn will need a memory hole api for getting rid of articles that need to disappear from history
[03:00:28] <carny> i'm sure i could find audio of it from radio talk shows or podcasts but that's 2nd hand not the origional media
[03:00:51] <carny> but anyway that's not what i actually wanted to talk about
[03:01:42] <carny> i was just pointing out that you can expect more videos to disappear from the internet especially if they can be used to criticize or incriminate people on the left
[03:03:05] <carny> but anyway
[03:03:54] <carny> if security related posts get subbed to the queue are they always going to sit around and wait for their turn or can we find a way to get them to the front?
[03:04:10] <chromas> memory holes didn't delete though
[03:04:34] <carny> it's almost not worth bothering to put up a post about a citrix vuln if it's going to wait 3 or 4 days before it hits the front page
[03:06:13] <chromas> well it was already in the news. We just want it up so people can two-minutes-hate after they sober up from the holiday
[03:06:24] <Bytram> carny: there's no had and fast rule... it mostly depends on our spare time and what we see and when
[03:07:06] <Bytram> I am mostly over the worst of the crazy holiday retail season, so I'll finally have some more free time to give to the site.
[03:07:27] <carny> maybe there needs to be a rule for news that loses value fast if it gets delayed
[03:07:55] <carny> just mark everything involving security vulns as 'breaking'?
[03:10:16] <Bytram> if it is time-sensitive, by all means submit it as "Breaking News" !!
[03:13:34] <Bytram> afk; biab... 5-10 minutes
[03:13:50] <carny> ok how do i do that?
[03:16:53] <chromas> set the nexus
[03:17:38] <chromas> Oh, where it says "Select Section and Topic", change the combobox that says "Main Page"
[03:23:46] <carny> oh right i can't do it from irc
[03:24:28] <chromas> Yeah. Also, 'real' subs usually get higher priority than bot subs because they require less work on our end :)
[03:25:02] <carny> i guess i'll always be a second class citizen ;]
[03:25:02] <chromas> well, depending on the submitter
[03:25:46] <chromas> I guess there's no reason the bot couldn't do some detective work and set the Breaking nexus
[03:31:18] <Bytram> =cite
[03:31:18] <systemd> Generate a block of HTML for citing an article. Takes DOIs and URLs
[03:31:22] <Bytram> =cite https://www.nature.com
[03:31:26] <exec> └─ 13303 See Other
[03:31:58] <chromas> fpos
[03:32:18] <chromas> not sure why that happens since it follows redirects
[03:33:04] <chromas> =cite 10.1038/s41467-019-12895-y
[03:33:20] <chromas> stuck again
[03:33:57] <chromas> Must be time to throw it out and start over. Maybe in C# or something
[03:34:39] * chromas looks at the code with horror
[03:34:42] <Bytram> I can get the cite easily enough from science daily, was just seeing what the bot would produce, by comparison
[03:34:52] * Bytram looks at the code with chromas
[03:35:36] <chromas> It also gets stuck all the time when it tries to pull the citation block automatically, so I disabled it
[03:35:58] <chromas> it doesn't seem to get stuck in an infinite loop or anything; it just sorta quits
[03:36:18] <Bytram> can you set a timer so that, if there is no result in, say, 5s, it kicks it out and ignores it?
[03:36:31] <chromas> When it does work, it grabs more info, so if you want names and stuff, they can be put into the block
[03:36:43] <Bytram> very nice!
[03:37:13] <chromas> I guess the thread could spawn another thread
[03:37:52] <chromas> or make it a separate process so the bot can murder it more easilier
[03:41:54] * chromas looks at the Amazon Prime sub
[03:50:51] <Bytram> brb
[04:07:42] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[04:07:43] <systemd> ^ 03Filmmaker Sam Mendes explains how James Bond gave WWI movie 1917 its one-shot approach ( https://www.cnet.com )
[04:07:45] <exec> └─ 13WWI movie 1917 got its one-shot approach because of James Bond, Sam Mendes says - CNET
[04:11:52] <chromas> Roger Deakins [...] is to cinematography what Lennon and McCartney are to songwriting.
[04:11:55] <chromas> So he died?
[04:12:09] <Bytram> :: chuckles ::
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[04:34:30] <chromas> neat
[04:34:43] <chromas> I set ulimit so the bot just dies instead of hogging all the memory when it spergs out
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[04:37:54] <Bytram> =cite 10.1038/s41467-019-12895-y
[04:38:13] <chromas> :'(
[04:38:20] <Bytram> =folding-rank
[04:38:20] <systemd> 218
[04:38:47] <Bytram> so... it did not die?! yay!
[04:41:02] <chromas> it died but it came back
[04:41:36] <chromas> systemd is to bots what Lennon and McCartney are to songwriting.
[04:46:50] <chromas> This code's getting to tangled to work on. At least needs a big o' refactor
[04:47:42] <chromas> I should become a professional software developer. Make some software that kinda works most of the time, enabling someone else to get paid to fix it later one.
[04:47:56] <chromas> Broken Windows 95 Fallacy
[04:53:32] <Bytram> time to hit the sack
[04:53:43] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!
[04:53:52] <carny> you too Bytram
[07:47:27] <janrinok> chromas, Bytram - FYI, Lamx explained breaking news to me as being something that you would want to interrupt a meeting for if you were working e.g. terrorist attacks, major disasters, collapse of govt, etc
[07:49:37] <chromas> Good point. We're not exactly a channel of alerts and security holes are cheaper by the dozen
[07:49:39] <janrinok> I've always used that defininition myself. We are not a news aggregation site and I don't believe that we should be issuing knee-jerk stories unless they have special significance. It is also important to look at the source and corroboration. More than once there has been a 'news alert' that has been withdrawn after more facts become known.
[07:50:57] <janrinok> However, that is only 2c worth and we can always redefine what we mean it to be.
[07:50:57] <chromas> s/not //
[07:50:59] <exec> <chromas> Good point. We're exactly a channel of alerts and security holes are cheaper by the dozen
[07:51:04] <chromas> oh whoops
[07:51:17] <janrinok> not what you intended - lol
[07:51:26] <chromas> Yeah, I meant to change yours :D
[07:51:48] <chromas> We're not really a news aggregator, but we kinda are
[07:52:50] <janrinok> I don't think that we are a news aggregation site - we are a discussion site with a STEM bias. ....but I could be wrong (again)
[07:53:39] <janrinok> our stories can sometimes be weeks old!
[07:53:52] <chromas> SoylentOlds
[07:54:58] * chromas moves that we change the name to BlargBlog
[08:29:13] <janrinok> thinking a bit further on the topic, if we become the place for people to find up-to-date security warnings and then miss one, there might be complaints from the community that we are not doing our job. I'm not against publishing security stories, I even encourage it, but we must guard against becoming the place people look to for warnings as a matter of course.
[08:35:08] <janrinok> Perhaps looking at it another way, if the story is important enough to publish immediately and interrupt the existing queued stories, then perhaps it is Breaking Newsworthy, although I haven't thought this through fully yet...
[08:39:26] <janrinok> chromas, how does your 'cite' bot function here on IRC? Where does it put the results?
[08:39:56] <chromas> There's so many, maybe we should just roll them up into a weekly "haxx 'n' holes" story
[08:40:53] <chromas> It just poops out a block to paste in. I had it so the =submit function would try to grab the citaiton info but for reasons unknown, it like to get stuck
[08:41:10] <chromas> oh I mean, the block just comes out in irc
[08:41:31] <janrinok> at the moment I'm still manually extracting the relevant HTML as I haven't quite hacked all the possible places and formats that we see in potential stories.
[08:42:17] <janrinok> I'm toying with investigation your own idea that by quoting the DOI it finds all the relevant info itself but I'm very short for time currently
[08:42:30] <chromas> Mine just looks for a doi string, then appends that to https://doi.org and loads that page, then extracts the meta tags
[08:42:31] <systemd> ^ 03Digital Object Identifier System ( https://www.doi.org )
[08:42:32] <exec> └─ 13Digital Object Identifier System
[08:42:33] <exec> └─ 13Digital Object Identifier System
[08:43:19] <chromas> I haven't been able to find the bug, but it does emit a "-1" to the terminal, even though I can't find anything in the code that could do that
[08:43:45] <janrinok> I'll put that on my list of 'todo' things but I'm running to stand still at the moment
[08:43:58] <janrinok> is this in php or D?
[08:44:17] <chromas> D
[08:45:08] <janrinok> might simply be a permissions thing with parameter passing somewhere - I found that I was quite good at generating those!
[08:45:51] <chromas> Yeah. It's made worse because each =submit command spins off its own thread and I barely know how to use gdb :)
[08:46:09] <chromas> which, as far as I know, is the only debugger on linux I guess
[08:46:15] <janrinok> but you have more experience that I do in D so maybe I'll stop providing useless but well-intentioned suggestions...
[08:46:20] <chromas> maybe there's another
[08:46:36] <chromas> Naw, any input is welcome
[08:46:39] <janrinok> I think that there is but I can#t think of it's name at present
[08:47:31] <janrinok> got to go - RW tasks need to be done
[08:47:41] <chromas> =g'day janrinok
[08:47:42] * systemd sneakily shoves a printout of ingsocjus in janrinok
[08:48:02] <janrinok> =g'day chromas
[08:48:02] * systemd clumsily embiggens a dab of lasagna with chromas
[08:48:20] <chromas> lasagna++
[08:48:20] <Bender> karma - lasagna: 1
[10:12:25] <janrinok> AFK - going out to a 'surprise lunch' to celebrate my birthday. Probably will not be much use to anyone later on today, I intend to eat everything put in front of me!, but that is my normal condition...
[10:17:14] <chromas> nice
[10:17:19] <chromas> Happy birfday then
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