#editorial | Logs for 2019-11-17
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[00:57:49] <Fnord666> Evening all!
[01:01:19] <chromas> g'day
[07:44:50] -!- Booga1 [Booga1!~617199b2@13-634-674-199.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #editorial
[07:48:01] <Booga1> Is this the right place to request consideration for a submission?
[07:56:51] <Booga1> Not mine, I know how to submit stuff. Just wanted to know if there was a way to vote or advocate for something already in the subs queue without putting it through again.
[08:01:28] <chromas> Which sub?
[08:01:48] <chromas> If it's not too political and/or is stem-related it'll probably get posted
[08:02:40] <Booga1> Researchers Develop an AI System With Near-perfect Seizure Prediction: https://soylentnews.org
[08:02:41] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03Researchers Develop an AI System With Near-perfect Seizure Prediction: SoylentNews Submission
[08:02:42] <exec> └─ 13Researchers Develop an AI System With Near-perfect Seizure Prediction: SoylentNews Submission
[08:04:52] <Booga1> I generally like the selections for the site, though this one in particular is of interest to me. Lost a friend that drowned after having a siezure.
[08:05:43] * chromas opens it up
[08:15:42] <janrinok> it looks a good candidate for selection
[08:16:49] <janrinok> ... although it is a bit light on information. The submission is the whole story and we have to cut it down to meet fair-use legal requirements.
[08:17:20] <chromas> Yeah; I'm looking at the IEEE Spectrum page they link to, which is slightly longer
[08:17:32] <janrinok> lol - I was just doing the same!
[08:17:53] <chromas> and even though it says the paper's free on ieee xplore, it turns out that's actually the opposite of how it actually is
[08:18:27] <janrinok> most of the other sources are the same 3 paras. The spectrum one looks favourite.
[08:18:53] <chromas> I'm not sure if I should be surprised that an institute for engineering has a terrible web site
[08:26:35] <chromas> queued
[08:26:57] <chromas> oh, I did forget to change the title to match ieeeeee's though
[08:39:23] <Booga1> Yeah, it's light on info. Hopefully this is less than X+5 years away from commercial availability.
[08:43:23] <janrinok> and 2nd'ed
[08:44:07] <janrinok> Booga1, it goes out at 20:20 UTC - not sure what that is your own tz
[08:44:24] <janrinok> oops, 19:20 UTC...
[08:44:59] <Booga1> I am not worried about timezone. It'll be Sunday, but it's not like I expect a lot of people would be commenting on that type of story.
[08:47:18] <Booga1> I know it doesn't show in the comments, but there are plenty of stories I enjoy on the site. I do like some of the more scientific interest stories, even if they only get a comment or two. It's hard to comment on stuff like black holes and such, but that doesnt't mean it's not appreciated.
[08:50:12] <janrinok> I think that is the view of most of our community. Although the politics stories generate the most comments they are simply mud slinging and name calling in most cases. The scientific stories make people think, or at least keep them informed of advances in technology.
[08:52:05] <janrinok> As a tip, stories submitted by our community stand a better a chance than those collected by bots. The bots are simply there to make sure we have enough good material to keep the front page full when there are a lot of poor quality subs in the queue.
[08:52:58] <Booga1> Was that a bot sub? I wasn't sure if that was a bot sub or an IRC-style bot where it just takes input from users.
[08:53:54] <janrinok> And submitting stories on a Thursday or Friday means they have a good chance of being selected for release over the weekend. We try to pre-load the queues for the weekend so that we are not working to keep up and we can get some family time too.
[08:53:55] <chromas> That one was from an irc user
[08:56:21] <Booga1> Yeah, I noticed the pattern on the subs queue getting drained up to the weekend then suddenly full with 36+ hours of stories. I think that's totally reasonable and kinda expected.
[08:56:30] <janrinok> The 'problem' with bots is that it is not clear until we open the story who has originated it. If you make a submission the long way - via the submissions page - we have an immediate view of the submitter's ID. I always go for those stories first, followed by IRC subs and finally independent bots such as Arthur
[09:00:04] <Booga1> Ah, that would explain a lot. I did kinda wonder if my subs were put up faster because of that sort of reasoning or if someone was watching for my submissions. Obviously the second option is far to generous to my ego, so it must be false.
[09:00:17] <janrinok> Certain submitters can be relied upon to produce very good, well-prepared, subs requiring the minimum amount of work on our part - when we are busy they are the one's that we will naturally go for. And the bots all provide a complete copy of an URL page so we have quite a bit of editing to do to make them usable.
[09:01:13] * Booga1 nods. "At least the bot subs are predictable in what kind of editing would be needed. It sucks, but at least it's expected."
[09:01:14] <janrinok> But _any_ submission from any source is better than nothing at all, so we are grateful for them all whatever the origin.
[09:03:30] * Booga1 nods.
[09:11:24] <janrinok> Booga1, another point is that when looking at submissions, we have to decide whether it is time critical (i.e. has to be posted soon to remain relevant) or whether it will keep for a few days when we can use it to fill a quieter period in the submissions cycle.
[09:12:41] <janrinok> Some submissions can sit in the queue for quite a few days before being picked up - it isn't because they are low quality, but that we can keep them in our back pocket for a more appropriate time.
[09:13:54] <janrinok> We read them all soon after submission, but we have a system of leaving comments and views on each submission so that every editor can have his say and we can decide how best to use the sub.
[09:14:50] <Booga1> I figured as much. It's not like most submissions need to put up "right now."
[09:15:50] <janrinok> the important part is not the submission but the discussion that follows. We do not try to be an up-to-the-minute news service - we simply haven't got the resources to do that.
[09:16:36] <janrinok> Personally, I would rather read a dozen intelligent comments than 200 rubbish ones.
[09:17:28] <Booga1> Heck, some of the submissions are from years ago, but I missed them. It's nice catching up on some odd things here and then when they show up. There's no way to keep up with everything.
[09:18:31] <janrinok> Well, we do try to filter out the very old subs! We have a crude search facility where we can look for previous reporting on a topic or even find when we have published a story back when it was first released.
[09:18:53] <Booga1> Which is kinda why I ignore the whole comparison to the green site. I don't find comments like "OMG, they had that story out yesterday. Where were you?" to be useful.
[09:19:22] <janrinok> If people prefer the green site then they have a simple option...
[09:21:05] <chromas> Yep; set the theme to BADA55
[09:21:23] <Booga1> Your attention to dupes is at least an order of magnitude better than the source code would suggest. I expect that is due to personal dilligence on the part of the eds.
[09:21:24] * janrinok chuckles
[09:21:36] <chromas> or VT100
[09:22:09] <Booga1> I love the VT themes, just to put on before loading the site. It fuckes with people more than you might expect.
[09:22:11] <janrinok> we make enough mistakes to keep the community on their toes...
[09:22:54] <Booga1> True enough. There was a recent story with about 20% dupe in the actual story. Dunno if that got corrected yet.
[09:24:04] <janrinok> I'm currently looking at a bug in my own bot which appears to repeat some paragraphs on certain stories. Not sure why it has started doing that...
[09:24:56] <Booga1> That's what it looked like. A whole story with just the last paragraph repeated.
[09:25:02] <chromas> upstart is rubbing off on Storybot
[09:25:13] * janrinok thought that parsing html would be straight forward - he now laughs at his naivety
[09:25:23] * chromas joins in laughter
[09:25:29] <Booga1> You cannot parse HTML with regex.
[09:26:29] <chromas> You could use one to pick out the tags though
[09:26:38] <chromas> Then build a tree from there
[09:26:55] <janrinok> there is so much js, web2 and other crap that it is no longer viable without a library or module designed specifically to do that. I use lxml which is a standard piece of C code available on almost every distro that I can find.
[09:26:59] <chromas> Or just nest more regex :D
[09:27:06] <Booga1> Not anymore.
[09:28:31] <janrinok> Booga1, don't be so convinced. If you simply extract all the text between <p> and </p> you cut out over 2/3rds of the crap, although it still needs additional processing.
[09:29:07] <Booga1> Anyway, thanks for hearing me out on my oddball submission request.
[09:29:22] <janrinok> But BeautifulSoup et al all have a good role to play
[09:29:34] <janrinok> np - thanks for the input. Have a good Sunday!
[09:39:10] <Booga1> G'night.
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[13:07:26] <Bytram> =submit https://www.pewresearch.org
[13:07:27] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Americans and Privacy: Concerned, Confused and Feeling Lack of Control Over Their Personal Information"...
[13:07:28] <exec> └─ 13Americans and Privacy: Concerned, Confused and Feeling Lack of Control Over Their Personal Information | Pew Research Center
[13:07:49] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Americans and Privacy: Concerned, Confused and Feeling Lack of Control Over Their Personal Informati" (39 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:07:51] <exec> └─ 13Americans and Privacy: Concerned, Confused and Feeling Lack of Control Over Their Personal Informati: SoylentNews Submission
[13:07:55] * Bytram is back to working full-time and it's taking more out of me than I expected...
[13:08:51] <Bytram> ~eds can't thank you all enough for picking up the slack while I'm recuperating... just don't have the same endurance I had had. Getting better all the time, but it will take a while, it seems.
[13:08:52] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: can't thank you all enough for picking up the slack while i'm recuperating... just don't have the same endurance i had had. getting better all the time, but it will take a while, it seems.): janrinok n1 nick Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 FatPhil mrpg chromas fyngyrz
[14:02:02] <Bytram> and... it's time for me to get ready for work... won't be back for another 9 hours at the earliest... could well be a couple hours more than that, though.
[14:02:12] <Bytram> thanks so much for stuffing the story queue!
[14:02:18] <Bytram> and off I go
[19:06:45] <FatPhil> https://soylentnews.org = dupe
[19:06:47] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03New Metal Array Floats Even When Damaged - SoylentNews ( https://soylentnews.org )
[19:06:48] <exec> └─ 13New Metal Array Floats Even When Damaged - SoylentNews
[19:06:49] <exec> └─ 13New Metal Array Floats Even When Damaged - SoylentNews
[19:07:26] <FatPhil> woh, is exec responding to both CHL and me? we need a third bot... and then a 4th ;-)
[20:17:47] <Fnord666> well crap. @FatPhil, thanks for catching that.
[20:18:10] <Fnord666> it's been up for a bit now.
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[23:42:05] <Mrpg> Hi all what are you up to
[23:42:50] <Mrpg> Bytram: glad to read you are ok
[23:43:18] <Mrpg> Im at a park wth free WiFi
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[23:48:35] -!- mode/#editorial [+v Mrpg] by Hephaestus
[23:48:58] <Mrpg> Hi again
[23:49:27] <Mrpg> Janrinok: hi i dont have a pc So i dont connect often how are you
[23:50:01] <Mrpg> Í bought an used Samsung j5 it works ok
[23:50:47] <chromas> G'day Mrpg. How's things and whatnot?
[23:54:13] <Mrpg> Im in chile so ive the chance to smell gas when goo
[23:54:28] <Mrpg> When going to work
[23:55:01] <Mrpg> How are things here?
[23:57:35] <chromas> The usual. Most subs are still bot subs. I'm usually around but make Bytram, Fnord666 & janrinok do most of the work ;)