#editorial | Logs for 2019-10-17
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[00:26:40] <Bytram> =submit https://www.independent.co.uk
[00:26:46] <upstart> Submitting "Turkey ‘effectively holding 50 US nuclear bombs hostage’ at air base"...
[00:27:08] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Turkey ‘effectively Holding 50 US Nuclear Bombs Hostage’ at Air Base" (47 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:36:41] <Bytram> =submit https://digiconomist.net
[00:36:43] <upstart> Bytram, submit failed: Article root node is null.
[00:46:35] <chromas> less--
[00:46:35] <Bender> karma - less: -1
[01:09:33] <Bytram> whereto? http://jsonbot.org
[01:09:39] <Bytram> whereto? https://jsonbot.org
[01:41:19] <chromas> hey, there's a python3 version https://pypi.org
[01:41:20] <upstart> ^ 03jsonbot
[01:43:12] <Bytram> lol
[01:45:14] * Deucalion bans all bots.
[01:46:16] <Bytram> you is gonna get 'em all... married?
[01:46:33] <Bytram> Oh, wait. That would be banns of marriage. nvm
[01:47:19] <Hephaestus> !bier Loggie
[01:47:30] <chromas> !bier Hephaestus
[01:47:30] * Bender tapt een glas witbier voor Hephaestus
[01:48:50] <Bytram> !bier chromas
[01:48:50] * Bender pak het gerust zelf, chromas
[01:49:47] <chromas> !sex Bytram
[01:49:47] * Bender Nee nu niet, ik heb hoofdpijn. Bytram
[02:17:34] * Bytram has been trying to push out a story for the last hour or so and is just too tired to concentrate.
[02:17:55] <Bytram> have a great night everyone!
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[07:19:41] <janrinok> Fnord666, PING
[11:14:53] <janrinok> ~tell Fnord666 - I'm not sure what you have seen in today's systemd story that wasn't covered in the original, but I suggest that you make a comment as to why you feel it is worth further discussion and re-release it.
[13:06:44] <Bytram> janrinok: Sorry, exec isn't running. :(
[13:07:26] <Bytram> Fnord666++ Congratulations! Only one more story to reach 3800 stories posted! https://soylentnews.org
[13:07:26] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 112
[13:07:38] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame ( https://soylentnews.org )
[13:18:37] <janrinok> Bytram, np, I tried to PING him on here but he wasn't around.
[13:21:38] <Bytram> gnawed gnawed
[13:21:54] <Bytram> I'm expecting a phone any minute now, so can't chat long
[13:23:27] <janrinok> hope you are well - go take your phone call!
[13:24:01] <Bytram> much better, thanks. Tried for an hour last night after work to post a story, but the remaining braincells refused to cooperate.
[13:24:14] <janrinok> what? both of them?
[13:24:17] <Bytram> Finally gave up and went to bed; slept pretty well, so am feeling much better!
[13:24:20] <Bytram> sleep++
[13:24:20] <Bender> karma - sleep: 16
[13:24:23] <janrinok> good to hear
[13:24:28] <Bytram> and you?
[13:24:53] <janrinok> much the same as you - slept better last night but looking forward to my week off at the end of the month
[13:25:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:25:08] <Bytram> give my best to S
[13:25:29] <Bytram> Huh.... exec may not be *here*, but is still updating: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[13:25:30] <upstart> ^ 03Storybot - SoylentNews
[13:25:38] <Bytram> scroll to the bottom and check the date/time stamp
[13:27:01] <janrinok> yup - it's just not talking to us. Can't say that I blame it
[13:33:12] <janrinok> Bytram, S sends you a hug!
[15:00:24] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.cnet.com
[15:00:25] <upstart> ^ 03Senator proposes data privacy bill with serious punishments ( https://www.cnet.com )
[15:00:38] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.cnet.com
[15:00:39] <upstart> ^ 03Senator proposes data privacy bill with serious punishments
[15:29:10] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[15:29:11] <upstart> ^ 03China gives Tesla green light for production - Roadshow ( https://www.cnet.com )
[15:29:22] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.cnet.com
[15:29:32] <Bytram> yeah, I didn't think so.
[15:29:39] <Bytram> =submit https://www.cnet.com
[15:29:40] <upstart> Submitting "China gives Tesla green light for production - Roadshow"...
[15:30:02] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "China Gives Tesla Green Light for Production - Roadshow" (6 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[16:47:23] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.ecoc2019.org
[16:47:24] <upstart> ^ 03ECOC 2019
[18:08:30] <Bytram> whereto? https://arstechnica.com
[18:08:32] <upstart> ^ 03Yahoo is deleting all content ever posted to Yahoo Groups ( https://arstechnica.com )
[18:08:53] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[18:08:56] <upstart> Submitting "Yahoo is deleting all content ever posted to Yahoo Groups"...
[18:09:18] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Yahoo is Deleting All Content Ever Posted to Yahoo Groups" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:12:08] <janrinok> Bytram, did you see the {} from S earlier?
[18:22:08] <Bytram> janrinok: Sorry, no, I must have missed it.
[18:22:13] * Bytram scrolls back
[18:23:08] <janrinok> it's only about a dozen lines up ^
[18:23:26] <Bytram> not seeing it here... hold on
[18:23:54] <janrinok> the only reason I asked is because she asked if you had said anything
[18:24:13] <janrinok> well, it is what it is - S sends you a {}
[18:24:36] * Bytram glances at: https://logs.sylnt.us
[18:25:07] <janrinok> look up about a dozen lines to where we finished chatting earlier!
[18:25:20] <janrinok> last thing I said to you...
[18:26:00] <Bytram> didn't see it there, either, but no matter! Thanks for passing it along and making sure I saw it! Give her a bunch from me, but don't squeeze too hard!
[18:26:16] <janrinok> I will and I won't, in that order
[18:26:50] <janrinok> I've started putting a few subs in the queue to get us through the w/e.
[18:27:04] <Bytram> Hmmm, I think I see what happened.
[18:27:06] <janrinok> I see you have already picked up 2
[18:27:27] <janrinok> it was interrupted for your phone call?
[18:28:03] <Bytram> as long s hexchat is running while I am taking a phone call (and thus off line), it seems that ZNC fails to detect that the connection got dropped so, when I get back online, it fails to fill in the gap
[18:28:27] <Bytram> I see it now; your reply at: https://logs.sylnt.us
[18:28:28] <upstart> ^ 03#editorial | Logs for 2019-10-17 ( https://logs.sylnt.us )
[18:28:38] <janrinok> blame chromas - for no other reason than he has just appeared on #soylent
[18:28:39] <Bytram> and the line following it never got to my hexchat session. :(
[18:28:45] <Bytram> lol
[18:28:49] <Bytram> not gonna happen
[18:28:52] <Bytram> ~blame
[18:29:04] <Bytram> Heh. No exec!
[18:29:07] <Bytram> lol
[18:33:23] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[18:33:24] <upstart> ^ 03Under New Ownership, DigiCert Expands into Verified Mark Certificates ( https://www.securityweek.com )
[18:33:31] <Bytram> =submit https://www.securityweek.com
[18:33:33] <upstart> Submitting "Under New Ownership, DigiCert Expands into Verified Mark Certificates"...
[18:33:54] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Under New Ownership, DigiCert Expands Into Verified Mark Certificates" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:34:40] <janrinok> storybot5 now gives me word and line counts, but you do not see them by the time they reach you as submissions
[18:35:19] <Bytram> k
[18:35:27] <Bytram> brb, making a meal
[18:37:35] <chromas> Time for janrinok to make an irc bot
[18:38:19] <janrinok> just downloaded the source for jsonbot today - although it is well down on my list of things to do
[18:40:11] <chromas> Why would you do that?
[18:42:35] <janrinok> 'cos I haven't got a clue how they work. I'm doing computing backwards. All the things that most people learnt first, I've not even tried. Hence playing with web servers, html, css and eventuall bots
[18:42:36] * chromas gets out the gimp suit
[18:43:27] <chromas> Yeah, but wasn't jsonbot an abonimation even unto the python lord?
[18:43:29] <janrinok> I started on big iron and didn't do the usual start at the beginning and work up. Damn, there wasn't a web when I started
[18:43:53] <janrinok> haven't looked at it yet so I don't know
[18:44:15] <janrinok> but the link popped up on here earlier so I thought I would download it for a rainy day
[18:44:42] <janrinok> brb
[18:45:01] <chromas> To be fair, you didn't miss out on anything by ignoring the web all this time
[18:45:45] <chromas> There are other all-in-one python bots too, like supybot, which I think has several forks
[18:46:22] <chromas> But if you really wanna be cool and soylent fresh, you gotta make your own bot and add a submit function ;)
[18:46:25] <Bytram> Though my first access to computers in grade school and high school were on DEC minis (PDP-8 and PDP-11), my first full-time job was working on Big Iron(TM) at IBM
[18:47:03] <Bytram> I saw the handwriting on the wall, but it took me the better part of a decade to be able to get work on PCs
[18:47:39] <chromas> but now they're just copying the iron days
[18:47:48] <chromas> cloud iron
[18:48:17] <chromas> but instead of dumb terminals, we have web browsers
[18:48:39] <Bytram> that said, I had an opportunity to join IBM working at their PC division in Boca Rato, FL back in mid-1982, but they would not offer me any kind of pay allowance for the longer distance from my home, so I picked the closer of their two offers.
[18:49:09] <Bytram> =g Algorithms Datastructures Program Wirth
[18:49:10] <upstart> https://www.amazon.com - Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs (Prentice-Hall Series in ...
[18:49:16] <chromas> If you want some nostalgias, there are youtube videos about the PDPs and stuff. I think there was one where a teenager bought one to play with
[18:49:37] <Bytram> nah, I'm good, thanks.
[18:50:20] <Bytram> Could prolly run a PDP-8 emulator in Javascript in a browser with all the improvements that have happened over the past few decades
[18:50:27] <chromas> of course, now that I'm loking for it, all I get is a bunch of unrelated popular videos, even though it used to be in the suggestions all the time
[18:51:18] * Bytram first put hand to teletype in 1972; 110-baud modem dialup connection to a PDP-8 running TSS/8 with 24 k words (12-bit each) of memory
[18:52:14] <chromas> 45 years later, we're pretending computers are still ttys
[18:52:35] <chromas> 12-bit words? fancy
[18:53:16] <janrinok> I don't think he bought a PDP - but it was a huge chunk of kit. Required 30 amps if I recall the video properly
[18:53:46] <chromas> Yeah, I could be confusing it with the SGI video
[18:54:46] <janrinok> couldn't get it into his cellar without digging out a huge ramp and even then it didn't quite fit but they (he and his dad) got it in somehow
[18:55:09] * Bytram also got to work on some SGI Indigos and Octanes
[18:55:25] <Bytram> =g flip-chip
[18:55:26] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Flip chip - Wikipedia
[18:55:55] <Bytram> whole thing was built using discrete components, IIRC
[18:57:08] <janrinok> just as the convo is getting interesting, I have to go. Typical - I'll have to set my clock to a different tz and sod the locals
[18:57:19] <Bytram> lol
[18:57:26] <Bytram> darn! I had a question for ya
[18:57:43] <janrinok> go on then, a few minutes won't hurt
[18:58:09] <Bytram> I have a core-2 duo latitude E6400 laptop as my main machine running Win 7 Pro x64
[18:58:18] <janrinok> never mind
[18:58:27] <Bytram> got a Latitude E6410 with an i5 for a song, but no hard disk
[18:58:37] <janrinok> OK so far
[18:58:55] <Bytram> can I just copy the 6400's disk to a new one and install in the 6410? whart shoud I watch out for?
[18:59:29] <Bytram> I have a microsoft code to use for the new install, if needed
[18:59:35] <janrinok> if you get disks the same size they should work, but you will have a problem with Windows when it phones home - 2 machines with 1 key
[18:59:44] <janrinok> ninja'd
[18:59:47] <Bytram> lol
[18:59:59] <chromas> I think there's an option somewhere to change the license
[19:00:04] <Bytram> identical drives; Samsung 1 TB EVO SSD
[19:00:07] <janrinok> I'm not sure when you would input the key if you disk copy
[19:00:39] <Bytram> would it just up and die, or prompt me to enter a new key?
[19:00:40] <janrinok> you need to do a disk copy of course, just copying the files will not do it. You need the same partitions etc
[19:00:49] <Bytram> yep
[19:01:10] <Bytram> sector for sector disk duplication
[19:01:20] <chromas> It'll probably just deactivate and tell you so
[19:01:37] <janrinok> shove a linux live disk into the working machine and connect to the new machine and do a disk copy
[19:01:48] <chromas> The activation is linked to bits of hardware it links together to make a hardware id
[19:02:10] <Bytram> that makes sense, a GUID based on machine's... guts
[19:02:41] <janrinok> you want them both running Windows, why not be brave and have a dedicated linux machine
[19:03:08] <chromas> Yes. Put Gentoo on it so it matches the sn server :D
[19:03:11] <janrinok> live on the edge...
[19:03:13] <Bytram> replacing the 500 GB WD spinny disk with a 1 TB SSD worked fine, using the tool that Samsung shipped with the drive
[19:03:34] <Bytram> I already made a linux box withthe other 6410 I picked up
[19:03:38] <janrinok> how much did the drive cost?
[19:04:15] <Bytram> under USD $130
[19:04:32] <janrinok> that's a bargain - nothing like that price over here
[19:04:50] <Bytram> I wanted to get a TLC before every thing went QLC with much reduced endurance
[19:06:18] <janrinok> having just checked the prices locally on amazon, it seems the prices are tumbling here too - might pick up a few drives for myself. I'm using mainly 500GB SSD and 2TB spinning rust
[19:09:38] <Bytram> trump's trarrif wars with china might work out to your advantage; Samsung will still want to move product, so may drop prices elsewhere to boost demand
[19:11:26] <janrinok> good point - I'll pay more attention. I wonder if the same will apply to whisky/whiskey producers :)
[19:11:35] * Bytram has no idea
[19:12:01] <janrinok> not that I drink it, but it is popular as a present.
[19:12:24] <Bytram> ahhh, nod nod
[19:12:32] <janrinok> so you are now running 3 computers?
[19:13:14] <janrinok> I really pushed the boat out tonight - I had a glass of red wine with my italian dinner
[19:13:27] <Bytram> nope. Running the 6400 with win 7 pro. Lappy with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS has booted and seemed okay, waiting on connecting to my monitor/tv.
[19:14:03] <Bytram> =g area of texas
[19:14:04] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Texas - Wikipedia
[19:14:09] <janrinok> but you want to copy Windows to another machine, or overwrite your Ubuntu?
[19:14:41] <Bytram> I have three 6410's I got for $25 each
[19:14:49] * janrinok will have to go, he's getting confused
[19:14:51] <Bytram> 1 is going to be for parts
[19:15:16] <janrinok> and a 6400 as your main machine
[19:15:26] <Bytram> currently, yes
[19:15:34] <janrinok> so that's 4 computers
[19:16:14] <janrinok> you won't catch me I've got 8 desktops and - I think - 7 Pi's
[19:16:14] <Bytram> yes
[19:16:25] <Bytram> Noice!
[19:16:56] <Bytram> I've got 5-6 more desktops I haven't booted in years...
[19:17:16] <janrinok> I think I have 5 (or maybe 6) linux distros and one box for Win7 which is sat in a corner being ignored.
[19:17:20] <Bytram> Win 95, RedHat 6.0, Winnt
[19:17:45] <Bytram> no, wait. not winnt; WinME
[19:18:09] <Bytram> anyway, thanks for the info and feedback!
[19:18:13] <janrinok> no point in being too modern, is there!?
[19:18:23] <Bytram> Laundry should be ready soon, and time to do the dishes, too.
[19:18:30] <janrinok> np - I'm not sure I contributed much, but I have to do
[19:18:30] <Bytram> As always, nice chatting with you!
[19:18:32] <janrinok> to go
[19:18:44] <Bytram> toodles
[19:18:47] <janrinok> and you - don't work too hard tomorrow
[19:18:53] <janrinok> pip pip
[19:18:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:19:00] <Bytram> *laughter*
[19:29:44] <Bytram> =g CPRIT
[19:29:45] <upstart> https://www.cprit.state.tx.us - Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas
[19:34:28] <Bytram> janrinok: Not sure what happened, but it looks like your bot got confused with this story submission: https://soylentnews.org
[19:34:29] <upstart> ^ 03Virgin Galactic Unveils Commercial Space Suits: SoylentNews Submission
[19:34:53] <Bytram> 5th sentence from the end reads: "Virgin Galactic, which was founded in 2004, has spent years developing its fatal accident in 2014, has twice crossed the barrier into the final frontier."
[19:35:34] <Bytram> The source from phys.org reads:
[19:35:35] <Bytram> <p>Virgin Galactic, which was founded in 2004, has spent years developing its <a href="https://phys.org/tags/space+program/" rel="tag" class="textTag">space program</a>, and after a <a href="https://phys.org/tags/fatal+accident/" rel="tag" class="textTag">fatal accident</a> in 2014, has twice crossed the barrier into the final frontier.</p>
[19:37:22] <Bytram> I am *guessing* the rel attribute on the anchor element might be the culprit, as I expect you have encountered (and handled) class attributes there before.
[19:57:29] <chromas> I think the bot was just making a joke
[19:58:33] <chromas> It's probably stripping out unnecessary links, like tags, but is accidentally the text between the tags
[20:06:23] <Bytram> =g LALR(1)
[20:06:24] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - LALR parser - Wikipedia
[20:07:01] <Bytram> at best, I think the bot was making a "token" effort.
[20:09:05] <Bytram> chromas: Don't know if you saw my earlier mention of it, but I really do appreciate all the time you've put in 2nding stories and pushing out new ones. I am entering the crazy season at work; the retail world equivalent of the Superb Owl so already have longer shifts, soon to be followed with even longer shifts, as well as earlier shift starts and later shift ends.
[20:09:46] <Bytram> Plus our department is short one full-timer, and we only had 4 full-timers to start with!
[20:10:34] <Bytram> Besides, I am concerned that JR is overdoing it, so anything you can push out is that much less load for him to bear.
[20:10:40] <Bytram> chromas++ thank you@
[20:10:41] <Bender> karma - chromas: 101
[20:10:46] <Bytram> dalmations
[20:34:19] <chromas> I think
[20:34:25] <chromas> Fnord666++ is doing all the work
[20:34:25] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 113
[20:53:02] <Bytram> teamowrk++
[20:53:02] <Bender> karma - teamowrk: 1
[20:53:05] <Bytram> lol
[20:53:09] <Bytram> teamwork++
[20:53:09] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 208
[20:53:22] <Bytram> every bit helps!
[20:54:17] <Bytram> btw, one more story and Fnord666 will have posted 3800 stories. =) https://soylentnews.org
[20:54:27] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame ( https://soylentnews.org )
[21:19:06] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.sciencedaily.com
[21:19:16] <Bytram> oh yeah, no bot.
[21:19:19] <Bytram> =submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[21:19:20] <upstart> Submitting "Evidence of behavioral, biological similarities between compulsive overeating and addiction"...
[21:19:42] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Evidence of Behavioral, Biological Similarities Between Compulsive Overeating and Addiction" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:51:45] <carny> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[21:51:48] <upstart> Submitting "Unpatched Linux bug may open devices to serious attacks over Wi-Fi"...
[21:52:10] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Unpatched Linux Bug May Open Devices to Serious Attacks Over Wi-Fi" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:55:39] <carny> not sure how easy it is to exploit but any affected realtek chip is vulnerable if it's powered on
[21:57:05] <Bytram> carny: Hey! Thanks for the story submissions!
[22:21:26] <carny> defense is everyone's duty ;]
[22:35:37] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[22:35:40] <upstart> ^ 03After flooding US with opioids, industry giants offer $50 billion settlement ( https://arstechnica.com )
[22:37:16] <Bytram> http://science.sciencemag.org
[22:37:19] <upstart> ^ 03Isolated cortical computations during delta waves support memory consolidation ( https://science.sciencemag.org )
[22:39:34] <Bytram> http://science.sciencemag.org
[22:39:47] <upstart> ^ 03Spikes in the sleeping brain ( https://science.sciencemag.org )
[22:40:37] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[22:40:38] <upstart> ^ 03Behold the world's fastest ant, star of a future sci-fi horror flick ( https://www.cnet.com )
[23:18:25] <Bytram> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[23:18:25] <upstart> ^ 03Male and female mice have different brain cells: Rare sex-specific neurons are present in the brains of male and female mice
[23:19:06] <Bytram> https://phys.org
[23:19:07] <upstart> ^ 03Male and female mice have different brain cells
[23:21:09] <Bytram> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[23:21:10] <upstart> ^ 03A simpler way to make some medicines: Chemists find new way of creating the building blocks of many drugs
[23:22:03] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[23:22:06] <upstart> ^ 03Senators propose near-total ban on worker noncompete agreements ( https://arstechnica.com )
[23:22:26] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[23:22:29] <upstart> Submitting "Senators propose near-total ban on worker noncompete agreements"...
[23:22:51] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Senators Propose Near-total Ban on Worker Noncompete Agreements" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:23:46] <Bytram> =submit http://feedproxy.google.com
[23:23:48] <upstart> Submitting "Here's everything you need to know about that planned merger of T-Mobile and Sprint"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.cnet.com )
[23:24:10] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Here's Everything You Need to Know About That Planned Merger of T-Mobile and Sprint" (49 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:24:51] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[23:24:54] <upstart> ^ 03The world’s fastest ant clocks record speed of 108 times its own body length ( https://arstechnica.com )
[23:25:07] <Bytram> break time