#editorial | Logs for 2019-08-05
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[00:00:03] <Fnord666_> Looking at it now myself
[00:00:14] <Fnord666_> Seconding your current stories
[00:00:27] <Bytram> new story sources tend to be rather "dry" until well after noon-ish on Monday
[00:00:38] <Bytram> mar sea!
[00:00:43] <Bytram> mare sea!
[00:01:09] <Fnord666_> yup
[00:01:28] <Fnord666_> I've noticed that.
[00:04:49] <Bytram> Has been a while since I've done this; should prolly start trying to do it again. Back a couple years ago, JR showed me that by stuffing the story queue through the weekend and into Monday if at all possible, that would cause the submission queue to run low, activate the nagger (when there were fewer than 20 (10?)) stories, and that, in turn, would lead to a few more stories being submitted; enough, generally, to make it over the slump.
[00:05:15] <Bytram> we tosses in a missing ")"
[00:05:21] * Bytram tosses in a missing ")"
[00:05:50] <Bytram> shades of cmn32480 coming out of my fingertips today
[00:06:06] <Bytram> break time; biab
[00:06:34] <Fnord666_> k
[00:10:33] <chromas> we just need a second n_gger—one that pops up when all the subs are trash
[00:13:21] <Fnord666_> That is the issue for me. Too many subs in the queue that are crap and no one is likely to run them
[00:13:37] <Fnord666_> We give it the benefit of the doubt though just in case and leave them for a week or more
[00:21:40] <Fnord666_> Maybe we could train a deep learning machine to identify submissions that will ultimately be rejected
[00:39:20] <Bytram> back
[00:39:49] <Bytram> FYI: there is no requirement we hold on to story submissions that nobody wants to run.
[00:40:28] <Bytram> cmn and I would occasionally go through, identify each sub, agree on: nuke it, use it now, or save for later.
[00:40:42] <Bytram> Would take about 15-30 minutes to clean things up.
[00:44:12] <Fnord666_> I guess my question would be do we have a standard set of deletion feedback details?
[00:44:44] <chromas> Deleted. Reason: "Gave me cancer"
[00:45:05] <Fnord666_> lol
[00:45:21] <Bytram> =decline
[00:45:24] <Bytram> =declined
[00:45:24] <upstart> Thanks for submitting this story. It appears that no editor has yet selected this story to be run. At least a week has passed since the story was submitted, and if an editor was going to have selected it, they would likely have done so by now. It has, therefore, been removed from the submission queue.
[00:45:53] <Fnord666_> Yep, that one I include with any submission I time out after a week or more
[00:45:57] <Bytram> Or, if you have genuine feedback to offer that would make a story more palatable, then that is absolutely fine, too.
[00:46:18] <Fnord666_> Sorry, no one will likely be interested in this?
[00:46:26] <Bytram> upstart: s/At least a week has/A few days have/
[00:46:42] <chromas> exec = ded;
[00:47:04] <Bytram> urgh.
[00:47:11] <Bytram> hmmm, how bout plow
[00:47:17] <Bytram> #g soylentnews
[00:47:19] <Fnord666_> Sorry, your submission is so slanted anything placed on top of it would slide off?
[00:47:38] <Bytram> O_O
[00:47:54] <Bytram> How would YOU like to get THAT message?
[00:48:07] * Bytram has to admit he did guffaw on that one, though
[00:48:23] <Fnord666_> That's why I was asking about or looking for a more neutral, agreed upon set of messages
[00:48:34] <chromas> "No."
[00:49:48] <Fnord666_> Other than "Does not meet the submission guidelines, found at asfafafasfaf and has therefore been removed from the queue."
[00:50:01] <Bytram> since there's 3 of us here, let's iterate through a few and see what comes up?
[00:50:13] * Bytram looks at https://soylentnews.org
[00:50:41] <Fnord666_> Looked at it before. Not really balanced
[00:51:16] <Fnord666_> Kina like "I'm innocent I tell you."
[00:51:59] <chromas> He should've just installed FreeBSD
[00:52:16] <Bytram> Thanks for submitting this story. Story submission guidelines suggest providing balanced, impartial sources. This submissions seems to tell the story solely from one side.
[00:52:26] <Bytram> Thanks for submitting this story. Story submission guidelines suggest providing balanced, impartial sources. This submissions seems to tell the story solely from one side.
[00:52:30] <Bytram> Thanks for submitting this story. Story submission guidelines suggest providing balanced, impartial sources. This submission seems to tell the story solely from one side.
[00:52:50] <chromas> I dunno. Don't most stories tell one side?
[00:53:00] * Bytram has been fighting CTS (cmn typing syndrome) all day
[00:53:07] <Fnord666_> lul
[00:53:16] <Bytram> It's a start... what would you suggest instead.
[00:53:40] <Fnord666_> No I like it as a start
[00:53:44] <Bytram> Almost all people convicted of a crime complain that they didn't do nuthin.
[00:53:54] <Fnord666_> Can we hyperlink in the deletion comment?
[00:53:54] <Bytram> they was out to get me!
[00:54:38] <Fnord666_> The story contains a lot of claims that are unsubstantiated I believe
[00:54:45] <Fnord666_> “Microsoft did hire a bunch of PR,” Lundgren confirmed to us. “They actually went back and threatened to Sue everyone that wrote about me.. Like WAPO [Washington Post], HLN, FORBES, The Verge, LA TIMES, Etc.”
[00:55:24] <Fnord666_> We should note that we’re quoting here an informal discussion, hence typed in a hurry.
[00:55:37] <Fnord666_> So not really a reporting piece either
[00:57:03] <Fnord666_> Any rejection that refers to the submission guidelines should hyperlink to them or at least include the URL.
[00:57:03] <Bytram> excellent points...
[00:57:19] <Bytram> so, maybe add an editor's disclaimer ahead of the story?
[00:57:58] <Fnord666_> That would work. It's more like an OpEd piece or even a blog post than a "story"
[00:59:32] <Bytram> <p>[Editor's Note: we generally try to provide balanced coverage of a story. This interview is "straight from the horse's mouth" and is, therefore, going to contain the biases of the interviewee.]</p>
[00:59:49] <Fnord666_> I like it!
[01:00:00] <Bytram> Nonethless, we thought the story interesting enough that we wanted to put it out to the community to discuss.
[01:00:38] <Bytram> I'm on it.
[01:00:51] <Fnord666_> Well said
[01:03:57] <Bytram> 2019/08/05 10:30:00
[01:04:01] <Bytram> ragu!
[01:04:22] <Bytram> looking at blockchains: https://soylentnews.org
[01:04:23] <upstart> ^ 03Four Ways Blockchain Could Make the Internet Safer, Fairer and More Creative: SoylentNews Submission
[01:08:48] <Fnord666_> It'll be an interesting discussion that's for sure
[01:10:06] <Bytram> I think I can hack that down to work. Note: there is an assertion that "Blockchains are distributed, tamper-proof ledgers" but that is not true if someone has access to more than 50% of the compute power of the entire system in a proof-of-work scheme.
[01:11:15] <Bytram> chromas: Fnord666: while I am chewing on this story, feel free to go on and discuss/thrash the next ones in the queue and make go/no-go suggestions
[01:11:24] <Fnord666_> k
[01:11:52] <Fnord666_> Or sure, toss us the first Ari submission
[01:12:16] <chromas> "(-1, Offtopic)"
[01:14:12] <Fnord666_> Agreed. Apparently mrpg and Bytram are of the same opinion
[01:15:28] <Bytram> urgh.
[01:16:00] <Fnord666_> I rejected it for lack of interest
[01:16:36] <Bytram> first hacking-down pass completed.
[01:17:36] <Fnord666_> "GPS data used to find triathlete kidnapper"
[01:18:28] <Fnord666_> I don't really see much interesting in this story
[01:18:33] <Bytram> agreed.
[01:18:40] <Bytram> you'll see that I panned that one.
[01:19:12] * chromas tilts
[01:19:32] <Fnord666_> :)
[01:20:36] <Fnord666_> At best it would have been a weekend story
[01:21:01] <Bytram> gnawed gnawed
[01:21:09] <Bytram> blockchain done.
[01:21:52] <Bytram> =decline
[01:21:54] <Bytram> =declined
[01:21:54] <upstart> Thanks for submitting this story. It appears that no editor has yet selected this story to be run. At least a week has passed since the story was submitted, and if an editor was going to have selected it, they would likely have done so by now. It has, therefore, been removed from the submission queue.
[01:22:17] <Bytram> ^^^ works for the GPS and FAA stories, if you want to use it.
[01:23:41] <Fnord666_> So the GPS story doesn't even have a submitter. Any reason to put anything in the delete text block?
[01:23:47] <Bytram> nope
[01:23:56] <Fnord666_> Didn't think so. Deleting
[01:24:01] <Bytram> ditto for FAA, it's a bot sub.
[01:24:29] <Bytram> next, Ideological diversity fits in the one-week-no-takers
[01:24:31] <Fnord666_> I'm hurt
[01:24:43] <Bytram> huh?
[01:24:43] <Fnord666_> No one ran it though.
[01:24:51] <Fnord666_> The FAA story was my submission!
[01:25:10] <Fnord666_> :)
[01:25:16] <Bytram> consider yourself notified?
[01:25:20] <Bytram> ;)
[01:25:23] <Fnord666_> yup
[01:25:31] <Fnord666_> deleted
[01:25:48] <Bytram> wait a minute, didn't we run a storey on the capital one leak?
[01:26:12] <Bytram> think I may have failed to clean out ALL the other submissions
[01:26:47] <Fnord666_> I think it's new
[01:27:27] * Bytram does a search
[01:27:54] <Bytram> dupe of: https://soylentnews.org
[01:27:55] <upstart> ^ 03Capital One Target of Massive Data Breach - SoylentNews
[01:28:24] <Bytram> and that story (^^^) was followed up with: https://soylentnews.org AND with: https://soylentnews.org
[01:28:25] <upstart> ^ 03The Technical Side of the Capital One AWS Security Breach - SoylentNews
[01:28:27] <upstart> ^ 03Lawsuit Filed Against Github In Wake Of Capital One Data Breach - SoylentNews
[01:28:53] <Bytram> Fnord666: is a bot sub, so feel free to nuke without message
[01:29:14] <Fnord666_> What's the current submission?
[01:29:26] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[01:29:26] <Fnord666_> nvmd
[01:29:27] <upstart> ^ 03Feds: Former Cloud Worker Hacks Into Capital One and Takes Data for 106 Million People: SoylentNews Submission
[01:29:39] <Fnord666_> deleted
[01:29:54] <Fnord666_> The philoso
[01:30:24] <Fnord666_> The philosophy story os a preprint/draft of a potential paper
[01:30:41] <Bytram> huh? clicky.
[01:31:05] <Fnord666_> [Penultimate draft. The paper is forthcoming in Philosophical Psychology.
[01:31:05] <Fnord666_> Comments very welcome.]
[01:31:23] <Fnord666_> Not sure if/when it's supposed to appear
[01:31:55] * Bytram loads the pdf
[01:32:26] * Bytram wonders why all of the <br> tags got added to the story submission?
[01:32:49] <Fnord666_> In other words it has not been published in a peer reviewed journal
[01:32:59] <Bytram> ding ding ding
[01:33:50] <Bytram> but... it has lotsa graphs and numbers and stuff!
[01:33:58] <Fnord666_> And of course the text in the submission...
[01:34:53] <Bytram> Certainly looks interesting, but think it best to wait until it is published in a peer-reviewed journal. declined.
[01:35:24] <chromas> hardwrapping--
[01:35:24] <Bender> karma - hardwrapping: -1
[01:35:45] <Bytram> =g youtube christmas wrapping
[01:35:46] <upstart> https://www.youtube.com - The Waitresses - Christmas Wrapping (Music Video) - YouTube
[01:35:57] <Bytram> has a killer bass beat
[01:36:08] <Fnord666_> Agreed. If it ever gets published.
[01:36:23] <Bytram> you want to decline it or have me do it?
[01:38:10] <Bytram> Fnord666: ^^^
[01:38:39] <Bytram> btw, I just saw your note on the writing boot sector code story.
[01:38:56] <Bytram> story is from... 2007?
[01:39:04] <Bytram> I'll bin it.
[01:39:18] <Bytram> done
[01:40:09] <Fnord666_> Go ahead and decline it if you already have a good wording for the reason
[01:40:40] <Fnord666_> Yeah, the VIM article is from 2014 although as a long time user of VIM it is at least a little interesting
[01:40:44] <chromas> You can both decline it ;)
[01:40:53] <chromas> As long as you have a link to it you can decline it over and over
[01:41:24] <Fnord666_> :)
[01:41:37] <Bytram> decline.... isn't that something to do to verbs?
[01:42:52] <Fnord666_> I think the term you're looking for is conjugate
[01:43:17] <Fnord666_> both verbs and rabbits
[01:43:35] <Bytram> =g decline verb
[01:43:36] <upstart> https://dictionary.cambridge.org - DECLINE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
[01:44:24] <Bytram> "decline verb (GRAMMAR)
[01:44:25] <Bytram> [ I or T ] language specialized If a noun, pronoun, or adjective declines, it has different forms to show if it is the subject or object, etc. of a verb or if it is singular or plural, etc. If you decline such a word, you list its various forms:
[01:44:25] <Bytram> In Latin we learned how to decline nouns.
[01:44:25] <Bytram> "
[01:45:22] <Bytram> we is gone to the store
[01:45:44] <Bytram> we are us
[01:45:47] <Fnord666_> The Pirate Party submission is just a position statement
[01:45:52] <Bytram> I am me
[01:46:01] <Bytram> clicky
[01:46:42] <Bytram> icky
[01:46:48] <Bytram> bin it
[01:47:20] <Fnord666_> done
[01:47:46] <Bytram> gracias
[01:49:42] <Fnord666_> Shifting stories...
[01:49:45] <Fnord666_> "This post was inspired by the “‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens [theonion.com]” articles released by The Onion. It may contain sarcasm."
[01:50:23] <Fnord666_> From the Development Community story
[01:51:06] <Bytram> though I appreciate the point they are making, I don't caare for the presentation.
[01:51:39] <Fnord666_> Also "Besides some personal threats I have received in response to this parody/sarcastic joke, I have been asked to make suggestions how to fix the problem, here’s an incomplete list of what I personally think is wrong with npm:"
[01:51:56] <Bytram> to my eye, it minimizes the actual significance of a very real problem.
[01:52:31] <Bytram> or maybe my sense-of-humor is a bit off today?
[01:52:43] <Bytram> either way, I'm not intersted in running that story.
[01:54:08] <Bytram> I subbed this through a bot; on second thought, unless someone else wants to pipe up and run it, feel free to bin it. https://soylentnews.org
[01:54:09] <upstart> ^ 03Wave Pool Transforms Into Tsunami Pool, Injures Over 40 People: SoylentNews Submission
[01:54:24] <Bytram> break time; back in a few minutes
[01:56:08] <Fnord666_> Deleted npm package issue story
[01:57:33] <Fnord666_> So you're AnonymousLuser?
[01:57:51] <Fnord666_> Bytram, so you're AnonymousLuser?
[01:59:42] <Fnord666_> Posting Alzheimers story
[02:05:40] <Fnord666_> chromas, do you connect to irc through ZNC?
[02:05:51] <chromas> I don't
[02:07:02] <Fnord666_> Ok.Thanks.
[02:07:40] <Fnord666_> Replaced my old laptop with a slightly less old laptop and I'm trying to recall the connection details.
[02:08:02] <chromas> I think it's just a different port
[02:08:36] <chromas> It's probably a secret, for secret channels only
[02:08:56] <Fnord666_> :)
[02:11:27] <chromas> Oh, it's on the wiki I guess https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[02:11:27] <upstart> ^ 03ZNC - SoylentNews
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[02:17:27] <Fnord666> Ok, that's sorted
[02:17:49] <Fnord666> Thanks chromas
[02:18:14] <chromas> You're
[02:18:16] <chromas> welcome bakc
[02:18:59] <Fnord666> I had forgotten some specifics about how to format the username in the connection
[02:19:08] <Deucalion> So secret I put it on the wiki :D
[02:19:20] <Fnord666> :D
[02:19:46] <Fnord666> Thank you Deucalion for such foresight!
[02:20:40] <Fnord666> Haven't spoken to you in a while. How have you been Deucalion?
[02:24:31] <Deucalion> Just wonderful. Life couldn't be better. Wealth beyond imagination with little effort, 3 beautiful wives, 19 children all of whom are well adjusted adults in their own right each with fulfilling families and stables full of winning race horses. None of that is true of course but I am happily deluded. How's things with you?
[02:24:38] <Bytram> back (and forth)
[02:25:37] <Bytram> BTW... timely appearance of this fortune on the bottom of the page on SN that I am looking at: "Large increases in cost with questionable increases in performance can be tolerated only in race horses and women. -- Lord Kelvin
[02:25:37] <Bytram> "
[02:26:09] <Fnord666> Doing pretty well this summer. Heading to Vail CO for a week soon.
[02:26:35] <Bytram> Seems a little early for the ski season.
[02:27:14] <Fnord666> It is but the lodging providers don't seem to know that based on the rates.
[02:27:24] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:27:26] <Fnord666> Friend of mine's daughter is getting married
[02:27:32] <Bytram> noice!
[02:27:50] <Fnord666> Their kids and mine have grown up together
[02:27:58] <Bytram> so, things are going to start off going... downhill? ;)
[02:28:01] <Deucalion> The lodging providers know what they can get away with charging
[02:28:08] <Fnord666> Yes they do!
[02:28:55] <Bytram> Fnord666: fyi, a bunch of the upstart subs are from me, so I can't very well push them out myself.
[02:28:56] <Deucalion> If you rock climb, the only way is up! Not everything in the mountains in downhill
[02:29:09] <Fnord666> Bytram, I'll try to refrain from making that observation
[02:29:53] <Bytram> I'm going to skim down the list and see if there are any upstart subs that are not mine and that I can push out.
[02:30:12] <Fnord666> Especially since the ceremony is at the top of the local peak
[02:30:43] <Bytram> which peak?
[02:30:47] <Fnord666> Bytram, I'll keep looking over the other upstart subs
[02:30:56] <Bytram> got it, tx!
[02:31:08] <Fnord666> The tall one at the top of the gondola lift?
[02:31:19] <Fnord666> one sec
[02:31:23] <Bytram> times up
[02:31:26] <Bytram> =)
[02:32:38] <Deucalion> They'll be divorced in less than 2 yrs. If the ceremony has to be that contrived you know the relationship is also on rocky ground. But do give them all my best wishes that they prove me wrong.
[02:32:42] <Fnord666> The ceremony is on "Vail Mountain Wedding Deck"
[02:33:12] <Bytram> #g "Vail Mountain Wedding Deck"
[02:33:40] <Bytram> yep, looks like mrplow needs a restart... back in a bit
[02:33:43] <Deucalion> I'll dtop being so cynical when life reliably proves me wrong to be so.
[02:34:02] <Fnord666> Deucalion, I will. They've been hiking / climbing the Vail area for several years to they decided to have the wedding there
[02:34:18] <Fnord666> Deucalion, yeah me too
[02:34:41] <Deucalion> I hope for the best but prepare for the worst :)
[02:35:03] <Fnord666> I hear ya
[02:35:11] <Deucalion> I'll be happy to be wrong.
[02:36:23] <Bytram> about to do a command on beryllium; sudo killall -9 rustbot
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[02:36:54] <Fnord666> The rustbot needs a little oil
[02:36:58] <Bytram> should restart any time now (well within a minute or two)
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[02:37:03] <Deucalion> Bytream killed Kenny!!
[02:37:14] <Bytram> ~blame
[02:37:41] <Fnord666> #smake MrPlow
[02:37:41] * MrPlow smakes MrPlow upside the head with a nanoaggression
[02:37:56] <Bytram> Deucalion: of course, I was just taking a big drink of water when you wrote that and had to supress a mouth-through-nose cleansing
[02:38:13] <Fnord666> Get yourself a net pot
[02:38:29] <Bytram> ??
[02:38:30] <Fnord666> s/net/netti/
[02:38:46] <Fnord666> #g netti pot
[02:38:47] <MrPlow> https://www.webmd.com - "Jan 24, 2018 ... WebMD examines the use of Neti pots to help relieve sinus problems and allergy symptoms."
[02:38:48] <Bytram> oh, one of those? No. Thank. You.
[02:39:13] <Fnord666> You don't like parasitic worms wriggling in your brain?
[02:39:15] <Bytram> Had a coworker who had one and swore by it. Just can't get over the idea of water up my nose.
[02:42:16] <Bytram> #g pictures Neti Pots
[02:42:16] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "Feb 24, 2014 ... Looking for a green alternative to traditional allergy medications? Give the neti pot a try! This simple, quick, and cheap tip can help clean your ..."
[02:42:34] <Bytram> #g pictures Neti Pot
[02:42:35] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "Feb 24, 2014 ... Looking for a green alternative to traditional allergy medications? Give the neti pot a try! This simple, quick, and cheap tip can help clean your ..."
[02:42:46] <Bytram> #g pictures Neti Pot -youtube
[02:42:46] <MrPlow> https://www.gettyimages.com - "Find the perfect Neti Pot stock photos and editorial news pictures from Getty Images. Download premium images you can't get anywhere else."
[02:47:22] <Deucalion> That's mostly because it trickles out and down toward the throat and triggers the gag reflex. Interesting factoid - the gag reflex is entirely learnt, not autonomic and can be suppressed or reprogrammed really easily. Unfortunately search terms such as suppress gag reflex lead to a whole different dimension of why you may want to do so just for experimentation to a very different place.
[02:47:59] <Deucalion> Vuewer discretion is advised.
[02:48:09] <Deucalion> Viewer* even
[02:49:07] * Deucalion parts behind a wisp of white smoke
[02:49:25] <Bytram> given the amount of orthodontia I have endured, my gag reflex has been very well instantiated
[02:51:54] <Fnord666> NSFW even!
[02:56:49] <Fnord666> One of the interesting things I've noticed from automated submissions is how often source articles are updated or changed after publication
[02:57:52] <Fnord666> Often without any indication that it has occurred.
[02:57:59] <Bytram> yuppers, except how few actually njote that they HAVE changed the story.
[02:58:05] <Bytram> ninja'd
[02:58:08] <Fnord666> lol
[02:58:29] <Fnord666> I see that as an indicator of the credibility of a news outlet
[02:59:20] <Bytram> good point.
[03:00:38] <Bytram> I've been known to go in and tweak a story that has appeared on the main page without noting it in the story, when it is a minor change... title capitalization, white space adjustment, bold/italics/anchor termination issues.
[03:02:52] <Fnord666> That's one thing but changes to details in paragraphs of the story are different INO
[03:02:55] <Fnord666> IMO
[03:07:20] <Bytram> tru dat
[03:07:48] * Bytram looks at vim
[03:09:44] <Fnord666> like I said, it's from 2014 but it is an interesting and informative piece on the "incantations" of VIM commands
[03:11:56] <Fnord666> I added a block quote around the coastal story and the journal details
[03:12:31] <Fnord666> Be right back
[03:12:50] <Bytram> Fnord666: thanky, good catch!
[03:26:36] <Bytram> huh! I thought for sure I added that in there. I guess I missed it in preview. tx again
[03:27:50] <Bytram> whelp, tomorrow's a work day and $diety knows I could use some [beauty-]sleep
[03:28:32] <Bytram> have a great night everyone!
[03:29:20] <Bytram> oh, just checked and now that there are 19 stories in the submissions queue, the nagger has returned to the main page.
[03:29:30] <Bytram> this time for sure
[03:42:47] <Fnord666> Good night Bytram
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[06:38:46] <aristarchus> In the darkest hours, the non-English speakers dwell. Είμαι εντελώς ξύπνιος.
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