#editorial | Logs for 2019-05-10
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[05:27:47] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[05:27:48] <upstart> ^ 03Jeff Bezos unveils his sweeping vision for humanity’s future in space ( https://arstechnica.com )
[05:27:50] <exec> └─ 13Jeff Bezos unveils his sweeping vision for humanity’s future in space | Ars Technica
[05:27:57] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[05:27:58] <upstart> Submitting "Jeff Bezos unveils his sweeping vision for humanity’s future in space"...
[05:27:59] <exec> └─ 13Jeff Bezos unveils his sweeping vision for humanity’s future in space | Ars Technica
[05:28:20] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Jeff Bezos Unveils His Sweeping Vision for Humanity’s Future in Space" -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:30:54] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[05:30:56] <upstart> Submitting "Britain's answer to 'King Tut's tomb' found on roadside"...
[05:30:56] <exec> └─ 13Britain's answer to 'King Tut's tomb' found on roadside
[05:31:18] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Britain's Answer to 'King Tut's Tomb' Found on Roadside" -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:39:13] <Bytram> Fnord666++ Saw the story queue was running dry, popped in to lend a hand, and see that you were right on top of things! THANKS!!
[05:39:13] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 72
[05:39:58] * Bytram was able to get one story out, would like to get more of a buffer of queued-up stories, but really should go back to bed.
[05:40:30] <Bytram> have a great night everyone!
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[17:53:21] <mrpg> Hi.
[17:53:27] <mrpg> I'll do Source Code Discovery Sheds Light on the Business of Malware
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[18:07:31] <AzumaHazuki> we need to talk, janrinok
[18:11:42] <mrpg> I won't do more stories, I'm sleepy. Maybe at night.
[18:12:04] <mrpg> Source code - ready
[18:13:57] <AzumaHazuki> this isn't about the number of stories, janrinok has accidentally stepped on a trolling landmine, and got upset when i called him out for it in public
[18:14:13] <AzumaHazuki> i was considering coming in here and doing it in PM first, but you know, i see some kind of disturbing behavioral trends...
[18:15:59] <mrpg> Your comments are welcome. Me, I'd vote for no politics stories at all.
[18:16:23] <janrinok> I'm here
[18:16:32] <AzumaHazuki> Amen to that. But since he insists, and since he doesn't check who's posting or consider why they might be posting it...well, we have this mess :/
[18:16:41] <janrinok> I know who posted it
[18:16:49] <AzumaHazuki> There you are
[18:16:55] <janrinok> it is the content and not the poster that is important
[18:17:08] <janrinok> sorry, I am not at your beck and call.
[18:17:14] <AzumaHazuki> You miss the point...
[18:17:20] <janrinok> I don't - you do
[18:17:45] <AzumaHazuki> here's another example: when you see someone spamming "it's okay to be white" all over the place, what do you think he actually means, beyond the words themselves?
[18:18:01] <AzumaHazuki> think. you can consider the source without committing the genetic fallacy
[18:18:35] <janrinok> the source is IEEE. The content is unbiased and factual. What is your bloody problem!?
[18:19:03] <AzumaHazuki> my bloody problem, janrinok, is that that account has never once acted in good faith on this site, and his sub was a transparent shit-stirring attempt
[18:19:07] <AzumaHazuki> he's using you
[18:19:14] <AzumaHazuki> and you fell for it. he's LAUGHING AT YOU
[18:19:22] <janrinok> you don't like the submitter - that does not mean that the submission is bad
[18:19:40] <AzumaHazuki> come on, you're not stupid
[18:20:06] <janrinok> you want to discuss male rape. That is ok by you. But female harassment in the workplace is somehow wrong?
[18:20:23] <AzumaHazuki> ...janrinok. do you really not see what he's doing?
[18:20:38] <AzumaHazuki> have you see his post history at all?
[18:20:40] <janrinok> I can clearly see what you a doing
[18:20:54] <janrinok> yes - that does NOT CHANGE THE SOURCE OR CONTENT OF THE STORY
[18:20:56] <AzumaHazuki> somehow i doubt that, based on previous performance so far, but do enlighten me...
[18:21:38] <janrinok> I don't care who submits it - stories are selected based on the source and content of the STORY - not whether you like the person of not.
[18:22:00] <AzumaHazuki> you're deliberately missing the point. the content isn't the problem, and the fact that it's NPC-what's-his-arse itself isn't either.
[18:22:17] <AzumaHazuki> it's that this guy has an agenda, he's trying to stir shit and rift the userbase, and you fell for it
[18:22:43] <janrinok> You are not listening/reading. You are in talk mode only. Reread what I have just said. The story is important - not the submitter
[18:23:03] <AzumaHazuki> Oh, I see what you're saying, but it's not the point. You. are. being. used. and he's laughing at you. he's got you pegged dead to rights. he KNEW you'd react like this when called on it too
[18:23:40] <janrinok> He hasn't put a rift in the userbase. We have a community, not users. Look at the comments that are not people such as yourself complaining about the submitter.
[18:23:52] * AzumaHazuki sighs
[18:23:59] <AzumaHazuki> Cassandra Syndrome strikes again...
[18:24:19] <fyngyrz> Some stories may be considerably more divisive than others, however. If someone has a *pattern* of submitting divisive stories. perhaps some consideration for choosing something *else* on a regular basis, instead of that, might be worthy.
[18:24:38] <AzumaHazuki> I've screenshotted this and will hold you to it
[18:24:39] <janrinok> sigh all you like. It is NOT YOUR PREROGATIVE to decide whose stories we accept and which we reject
[18:24:53] <fyngyrz> there are lots of factual stories. It doesn't have to be a cesspool.
[18:24:59] <AzumaHazuki> oh, i never said it was. just letting you know You Done Fucked Up (TM)
[18:25:03] <janrinok> Like male rape for instance? What do you think that the comments for that will look like?
[18:25:17] <AzumaHazuki> awful, but at the same time, they are going to be consciousness-raising
[18:25:43] <janrinok> Just like the current discussions - but you object to them purely based on WHO is submitting them
[18:25:51] <fyngyrz> I'm only pointing out that there are more facets to this than "factual" - they can certainly be ignored, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.
[18:25:56] <AzumaHazuki> this is a problem far too few people know about. and i hope to temper some of the worst tendencies of some of our own members. they need to see this and understand it
[18:26:24] <janrinok> So is sexual harassment in the workplace
[18:26:36] <AzumaHazuki> intent may not be magic but it counts a hell of a lot. he is trying to cause chaos by rehashing old ground; i am trying to raise consciousness by bringing up a little-known issue
[18:26:45] <AzumaHazuki> one that will likely be important to more people than you think
[18:26:59] <AzumaHazuki> the sheer incongruity of the sites local lesbian feminist bringing it up will make people sit up and think too
[18:27:19] <AzumaHazuki> like "Jesus, if *she* thinks it's an issue..."
[18:27:48] <janrinok> It is not 'old ground' - it is the latest study. It is happening today. It is from a respected source. Suck it up
[18:28:09] <AzumaHazuki> you're just upset because you think i'm "undermining your authority" from the sound of it...
[18:28:15] <fyngyrz> today's overblown sensitivity to what many want to call sexual harassment was, in *many* cases, yesterdays fond appreciation for the (vive la0 differences between the sexes. Without office romance, my SO would not have been born, and her (very happy) parents would not have gotten together. Sometimes these PC pograms go WAY too far.
[18:29:17] <janrinok> And let's go back a bit. Why has Jan Rinok stepped on a landmine, up the page. I didn't post it. I am NOT the Editor in Chief. But I still the story is correct and that Fnord666 was correct to release it
[18:30:00] <AzumaHazuki> because, again: you didn't consider the motives of the person posting it, based on his comment history. you refuse to believe we are under attack from his sort, despite me warning you several times.
[18:30:22] <AzumaHazuki> ever hear the saying "the devil can cite scripture for his own purposes?" That is EXACTLY what is happening here
[18:30:24] <chromas> So if another person had submitted it, then it'd be okay to post?
[18:30:27] <janrinok> So stop trying to attribute blame to me. I might be the only one standing up to you - but that is because you are wrong to try to control what stories can be published
[18:30:58] <AzumaHazuki> oh, don't misunderstand...i'm not trying to control it. i'm trying to shame the eds for being so careless so THEY control THESELVES
[18:31:25] <janrinok> None of us have an ulterior motive. None of us lets any bias affect our work. And stories are double checked before release.
[18:31:53] <AzumaHazuki> let's go back up to the earlier example: if someone is spamming "it's okay to be white" all over the place...why? What is *actually* being said? What are the motives, what is the agenda?
[18:32:04] <AzumaHazuki> you can't tell from a single post, but a pattern may emerge from previous posts
[18:32:16] <janrinok> We all have our personal views but you have publicly said in that threat that we should not have posted that story based purely on the name of the submitter. Bias in spades.
[18:32:35] <janrinok> *thread
[18:32:39] <AzumaHazuki> oh my God, no, I said it should not have been posted because of WHAT THE GUY'S DONE IN THE PAST.
[18:33:00] <janrinok> do not accept any stories from NPC BIG NUMBER
[18:33:10] <AzumaHazuki> that's not bias. that's another warning that your principles are being used against you as weapons by him and he's laughing at you for being a useful idiot
[18:33:52] <janrinok> THAT IS YOU SHOWING A BIAS AGAINST A NAMED SUBMITTER- you are the one stirring things up here, not the submitter
[18:33:56] <AzumaHazuki> you did see the rest of that post specifically telling you WHY, right?
[18:34:04] <AzumaHazuki> it's what he did, not who he is
[18:34:29] <janrinok> yes, but that is simply something I disagree with. You do not dictate what our community can see or discuss
[18:34:45] <AzumaHazuki> Didn't say I did :)
[18:35:13] <AzumaHazuki> but if you're not careful you're going to corrode this place from the inside out, doing their work for them...
[18:35:26] <janrinok> you said 'Do NOT accept any subs from NPC-$BIGNUM. True or False
[18:35:35] <AzumaHazuki> True. And also consider the context, please.
[18:35:41] <janrinok> finish good night
[18:35:55] <janrinok> now stop stirring and leave me alone
[18:35:56] <AzumaHazuki> I said not to accept subs from him because of what he's done in the past
[18:36:12] <janrinok> don't give a shit why you said it - YOU WERE WRONG
[18:36:21] <janrinok> ... and I called you out for it.
[18:36:36] <AzumaHazuki> This is more pulling rank than an actual callout, but keep telling yourself that...
[18:36:37] <janrinok> Now be a good girl and go away
[18:37:02] <AzumaHazuki> hah! this is clearly more about your ego than anything
[18:37:14] <AzumaHazuki> you know, i was defending you from Ari until this
[18:37:16] <janrinok> I haven't got a rank here - everybody on this site is equal
[18:37:27] <AzumaHazuki> but some are more equal than others, de facto...
[18:37:54] <AzumaHazuki> look, don't bullshit me. it doesn't work, it insults both our intelligence, and you know damn well i'm right about how the trolls and infiltrators work
[18:38:02] <janrinok> But you don't pick and chose who our community members are, not dictate what they can say or do. Apologise on that thread and we can continue this discussion.
[18:38:21] <AzumaHazuki> would there be a point? you've said nothing's going to change, right?
[18:38:42] <janrinok> We always have, and always will, select stories on their content. full stop
[18:39:02] <janrinok> no point in continuing until you apologise in that thread
[18:39:13] <AzumaHazuki> Just keep an eye out for how that might be abused...that's all i'm saying. because you will be taken advantage of if you're not careful
[18:39:19] <AzumaHazuki> like this
[18:40:13] <janrinok> These logs are also public. Anyone can read them
[18:40:52] <AzumaHazuki> that's the point
[18:41:28] <AzumaHazuki> no one will be able to say you were not warned, Cassandra Syndrome aside
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[18:55:36] <AzumaHazuki> ye gods. more than double my age, acts less than half of it...
[18:59:05] <mrpg> If I may ask, how old are you?
[19:01:27] <AzumaHazuki> this body is 33. whatever is driving it around is likely somewhere between 2 and 10 times older
[19:05:29] <mrpg> good
[19:07:16] <AzumaHazuki> it's rather tiring. i think i've outgrown this mode of existence, and that's making me a bit weird
[19:07:41] <mrpg> Tired? bored?
[19:07:43] <mrpg> I'm 40
[19:10:46] <AzumaHazuki> i've seen and suffered a bit too much. going to be leaving this town in a few months, i think
[19:10:51] <AzumaHazuki> going somewhere i can be alone
[19:17:33] <mrpg> I moved a few years ago for the best. I'm plannig on doing it again.
[19:17:53] <mrpg> s/plannig/planning
[19:35:27] <mrpg> I'll do "Britain's Answer to 'King Tut's Tomb' Found on Roadside"
[19:38:11] <mrpg> Ready
[19:41:06] <mrpg> No more.
[19:41:27] <AzumaHazuki> i've just had too much.
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[19:43:01] <Sulla> https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[19:43:02] <upstart> ^ 03Pioneering gene therapy could repair deadly heart attack damage
[19:43:04] <exec> └─ 13Pioneering gene therapy could repair deadly heart attack damage | Daily Mail Online
[19:47:42] <Sulla> https://www.abcactionnews.com
[19:47:43] <upstart> ^ 03Homeowner faces $30K in fines, foreclosure after not mowing lawn
[19:47:44] <exec> └─ 13Homeowner faces $30K in fines, foreclosure after not mowing lawn
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[23:57:22] <Bytram> ~eds anybody around?
[23:57:24] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: anybody around?): janrinok n1 nick Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 FatPhil mrpg chromas fyngyrz
[23:57:51] <chromas> did the queue die?