#editorial | Logs for 2018-02-25

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[02:20:03] <Bytram> http://money.cnn.com
[02:20:04] <upstart> ^ 03Trump administration cracks down H-1B visa abuse - Feb. 23, 2018
[02:20:05] <exec> └─ 13Trump administration cracks down H-1B visa abuse - Feb. 23, 2018
[02:32:40] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.theverge.com
[02:32:41] <upstart> ^ 03Symantec ends NRA membership deals after backlash - The Verge ( https://www.theverge.com )
[02:32:42] <exec> └─ 13Symantec ends NRA membership deals after backlash - The Verge
[02:39:34] <takyon> just throw it in _that_ story
[02:39:40] <takyon> as an "also at" line
[02:50:19] <Bytram> oh, it's already in there... I was just testing out the link after eliding some link additions made by one of the submitters.
[02:53:07] <Bytram> I think I'm most of the way there... will definitely want a second on this merge!
[02:56:21] <takyon> yeah I know you get worse the tireder you get
[02:56:47] <Bytram> someone has been reading Alice
[02:56:57] <takyon> or living it
[02:56:59] <Bytram> Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
[02:57:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:57:20] <Bytram> saved. Link to 2nd the merged stories: https://soylentnews.org
[02:57:21] <upstart> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[02:57:23] <exec> └─ 13- SoylentNews User
[03:06:26] <takyon> loooks fine
[03:06:32] <takyon> did you want the verge link thrown in there?
[03:08:25] <takyon> jk, i see that it is in the quoted portion
[03:10:48] <Bytram> very much appreciate the second look!
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[07:49:55] <janrinok> chromas, are you around?
[07:50:24] <chromas> I am
[07:50:30] <chromas> Sorry, I slept wayy in before
[07:50:44] <janrinok> no problem - that's what beds are for!
[07:50:55] <chromas> I read the editorial policy and stuff on the wiki
[07:51:04] <janrinok> no wonder you slept!
[07:51:27] <chromas> Yeah, but I didn't learn much new :)
[07:51:35] <chromas> Except for the internal dispute secion
[07:51:47] <chromas> s/(c)(i)/\1t\2/
[07:51:52] <janrinok> for the next 30-45 minutes I'll have to keep getting up to help the nurse, but if you want to we can start doing something now
[07:52:01] <chromas> k
[07:52:31] <janrinok> I'm just starting up dev on my other machine
[07:53:36] <janrinok> OK, as you want to concentrate on 2nd editing, we'll look at that. How much have you done on dev?
[07:54:20] <chromas> I made a poll and merged a submission with another
[07:54:55] <janrinok> OK, well everyone is different, but I open up 3 tabs, front page, stories and submissions
[07:55:01] <chromas> Added a note or two and "seconded" at least one submissions
[07:55:24] <janrinok> so you understand the colour coding on the stories page?
[07:55:25] <chromas> That's a good idea. I should spawn a new window just for this
[07:55:47] <chromas> No I think I need refreshment on that
[07:56:05] <janrinok> OK, let me know when you have the Stories page open
[07:56:12] <chromas> It's open
[07:57:18] <janrinok> k, the colours are a slightly different hue from the live system, but that is because we were experimenting for those with certain sight disabilities
[07:57:33] <chromas> This gray story appears to be non-display
[07:57:36] <janrinok> essentially there are 4 colours
[07:58:25] <janrinok> the grey is non-display. and it is useful when you make a cock-up. You probably remember my first release 4 years ago when the story went out live when it shouldn't have done
[07:58:37] <janrinok> if you don't remember - Google certainly does
[07:58:59] <janrinok> if it is grey - no one will see it. Good to bear that in mind
[07:59:06] <chromas> I heard a cockup is part of the initiation process :)
[07:59:27] <janrinok> it is - and you are expected to maintain the standards we have set
[07:59:50] <janrinok> so, cockup in the first few days is almost guaranteed
[07:59:53] <chromas> I see one yellow. It's set to display but has no second; is that the meaning of yellow?
[08:00:34] <chromas> I guess not. The reds also have no seconding
[08:00:36] <janrinok> OK, it gets a bit trickier now. The colours are different for each editor. Or more correctly, for the first editor and everyone else
[08:00:50] <chromas> Oh, yellow for me
[08:00:56] <chromas> since it's my post
[08:01:07] <janrinok> reds need a 2nd ed. They will still go out and be seen by the world, but they haven't been checked by anyone else
[08:01:25] <janrinok> this is necessary for Breaking News or major system problems
[08:01:29] <chromas> And that's generally unpreferred
[08:01:34] <chromas> Ah
[08:01:46] <janrinok> but essentially, every story should be seen by at least 2 editors before going live.
[08:02:31] <janrinok> sometimes TMB will put out a META story that will just need 2nd'ing but if nobody does anything it will still go out
[08:02:56] <janrinok> and NCommander is a law unto himself. we normally get to play with his stuff as it goes live!
[08:03:18] * NCommander casts BANHAMMER
[08:03:24] <NCommander> ... it's not very effective
[08:03:30] <janrinok> If you see a yellow, then it is a story that you have released
[08:03:37] <janrinok> lol! Bon jour NCommander
[08:04:15] <chromas> Aw, I don't have permissions for the Security tab
[08:04:25] <chromas> But it still shows. Bug report!
[08:04:26] <janrinok> as the story is yours, you obviously cannot 2nd it as well, but we will all see the same story in Red
[08:04:55] <chromas> Seems like there should be a column for that
[08:05:06] <janrinok> you'll get the privs for security when you get on the live system
[08:05:40] <janrinok> so anything in red is good for you to 2nd
[08:06:01] <janrinok> everything else should be green, which means it has been seen by 2 eds minimum, and is good to go
[08:06:38] <janrinok> happy with the colours now?
[08:06:54] <chromas> Aye
[08:07:26] <janrinok> OK, pick the first grey story on your list and make it turn to another colour - any ideas how to do that?
[08:08:47] <chromas> Oh that's no good. The first one I accepted so I can't second
[08:09:01] <janrinok> but you can still change its colour
[08:09:02] <chromas> I should say, the first gray one is one I accepted awhile back from the queue
[08:09:20] <chromas> saved and updated
[08:09:23] <janrinok> hence the reason why I didn't say what colour to change it to
[08:09:50] <janrinok> which story did you change - not seen here
[08:10:17] <chromas> Well it's still gray
[08:10:23] <chromas> [1] Should Beteridge's Law
[08:10:44] <janrinok> what does the grey indicate, and what do you have to do to change it?
[08:11:51] <chromas> Checked Display and saved. It's now yellow and the nexus story list is different from the normal one
[08:12:47] <janrinok> excellent. Sometimes a story will be in the live queue but put to do not display because it needs more work. You might be able to do that work and release it
[08:12:47] <chromas> Since it goes to the bewbs nexus and won't go back to the main nexus. At least, I'm not seeing a link to it
[08:13:20] <janrinok> OK , well look at the nexus now then
[08:13:35] <chromas> Lots o' red
[08:14:06] <janrinok> you can see the the nexus table - do you know how to edit each setting?
[08:15:07] <janrinok> ping
[08:15:23] <chromas> I don't see settings on that particular page. Edit, Preview and Skin have links though
[08:15:34] <chromas> oh, pong
[08:16:00] <janrinok> OK, look at the Topics list and click on the '+' on the right hand side (RHS)
[08:16:40] <janrinok> .... and it is not working! That is sometimes the problem on dev. it isn't as up to date as production
[08:16:46] <chromas> No + on the right. I'm on https://dev.soylentnews.org
[08:16:47] <upstart> ^ 03- Dev.SN User ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[08:16:49] <exec> └─ 13- Dev.SN User
[08:17:10] <janrinok> go back to the bewb story that we were editing
[08:17:34] <janrinok> everything that we need to do is on this page - somewhere...
[08:17:36] <chromas> ah. ok. I see the + button right of topics
[08:18:22] <chromas> I should probably change to default site theme though because the Select Topics is light gray text on white background
[08:18:23] <janrinok> you should see a pop up window which normally would display all the possible topics, and Meta, BreakingNews, Politics etc nexus names
[08:18:32] <chromas> I see it
[08:18:56] <janrinok> well, I can't even read it on my display so I'll have to ask TMB nicely to fix it
[08:19:16] <janrinok> ah, got 'tree' - that's better
[08:19:30] <janrinok> so can you see the tree of nexuses and topics
[08:19:38] <chromas> I see it
[08:20:03] <chromas> Select Topics, Nexuses and Topics tree, Add, Close et cetera buttons
[08:20:06] <janrinok> OK, one at a time, select a topic and click the add key at the bottom
[08:20:32] <janrinok> you can add several topics to any story. There is probably a limit but I've never needed to reach it
[08:20:36] <chromas> Added, Breaking News; Meta
[08:20:49] <janrinok> they are nexuses and not topics...
[08:20:55] <chromas> yeah oops
[08:21:03] <chromas> Yay, My First Cockup™
[08:21:12] <janrinok> doesn't count - this is not live
[08:21:31] <chromas> Gotta practice for maximum spectacle
[08:21:42] <janrinok> a story might need topics of mobile, hardware and software for example.
[08:22:28] <janrinok> when you 2nd a story, make sure that the topic selected is appropriate. It is very easy to just accept what the submitter has suggested and not check it for suitability.
[08:22:41] <chromas> I see it doesn't organize the Topics list to put topics under the Topics section
[08:23:19] <janrinok> They should go _above_ the -^-Topics_^_ line
[08:23:39] <chromas> They did, but that's also where the nexus is
[08:23:39] <janrinok> its arse about face but that is how it is
[08:23:51] * chromas cancels and reloads the page to be sure
[08:23:57] <janrinok> now the nexus doesn't behave itself, so you have to move it manually
[08:24:25] <janrinok> highlight your selected nexus and us the Up and Down pointers to move it to the top
[08:24:37] <janrinok> you should only have 1 nexus selected
[08:25:25] <chromas> Moved Bewbs to the top.
[08:25:54] <chromas> When I try to add /dev/random and Answers topics it asks if I want to replace a topic, but the other topics don't do that when adding
[08:26:00] <janrinok> it should go _above_ the _^_Nexus_^_ line
[08:26:33] <chromas> Seems weird to have them combined into the same listbox
[08:26:53] <janrinok> this is cutting edge 1990's technology!
[08:27:07] <chromas> Where's the nosql webscale?
[08:27:32] <chromas> So I've added a few topics and moved the nexus name above the Nexus header
[08:27:44] <janrinok> to be fair, as there are only a handful of people actually editing, it doesn't get as much love and attention as the rest of the site
[08:28:12] <janrinok> On my display Bewbs is still second in the list below the nexus line
[08:28:19] <chromas> Oh, I haven't saved
[08:28:25] <janrinok> gotcha 2
[08:28:31] * chromas clicks update
[08:29:25] <chromas> I see you in the editor/admin session list at the bottom. So that's functionality I'm aware of
[08:29:30] <janrinok> you are still showing 2 nexuses in that list - you can remove The Main Page because Bewbs is part of the main page
[08:29:52] <chromas> Deleted; updated
[08:29:57] <janrinok> if you look at the title editing, it should also show that I am in the same story
[08:30:37] <chromas> I see
[08:30:52] <janrinok> brb 10 - need to help the nurse
[08:30:59] <chromas> Does javascript update that at all or is it just when I load the page
[08:31:05] <chromas> Okay
[08:31:47] * chromas plays with it some more while nobody's looking
[08:35:08] * chromas scopes out the editor page screenshots on the wiki
[08:50:25] <janrinok> javascript does NOT update the page - you need to do a page refresh
[08:53:02] <janrinok> ping - I'm back
[08:53:10] <chromas> pong - still here
[08:53:31] <janrinok> ok, where were we?...
[08:53:43] <chromas> Do the extra options in Comment Status work on stories? Just Friends etc
[08:54:06] <janrinok> ah yes, topics.
[08:54:25] <janrinok> probably, but we don't use them for our stories. They are more for journals
[08:54:39] <chromas> oh yeah. I added topics and updated
[08:55:38] <janrinok> now, it doesn't really matter where the topics and nexus actually are in that list - they work anyway. But from an editing point of view, if you keep them organised then they are easier to manage and we make fewer mistakes
[08:56:19] <janrinok> OK, we will keep moving slowly down the editing page
[08:56:50] * chromas fantasizes about changing the page layout
[08:57:04] <janrinok> Title field next. Titles should be in Title Case of course, but it doesn't do a good job of abbreviates such as USA, FDA, NATO etc
[08:57:54] <chromas> Capitals except articles, prepositions and stuff, right?
[08:58:08] <janrinok> so check titles are correct when you 2nd a story. And make sure that they match the story! Sometimes they don't, or are unecessarily sensationalised or politicised
[08:59:17] <janrinok> correct. The button does a reasonable job but you have to watch the abbreviations and similar. things such a "Andrew'S" where the S should be s
[09:00:21] <janrinok> remember we strive to put our a neutral and unbiased story so don't be afraid of 'calming down' a Title if it needs it
[09:00:52] <janrinok> and that brings me to a general editing point.
[09:01:48] <janrinok> We don't have different tiers of editors. You are either an editor or you aren't. Your opinions and views are as valid as anyone else's. Of course, at first it is best to seek advice if you are uncertain of something.
[09:01:49] * chromas changes it to clickbait title: 13 Reasons Betteridge's Law Should be Abolished. Number 6 Will Eat Your Goldfish
[09:02:15] <janrinok> But don't shy away from stopping a story or changing something if you genuinely believe it to be necessary.
[09:02:30] <chromas> Okay
[09:02:58] <janrinok> we might talk about it later - and you might lose your argument - but don't be afraid of taking action
[09:03:56] <janrinok> you have been around long enough to know that there are several things that could bring this site down -legal proceedings being one of them. So if in doubt, stop the story
[09:04:23] * chromas came for an argument but ended up in Abuse
[09:04:29] <janrinok> which is why we always try to quote another source rather than make statements ourselves
[09:04:34] <janrinok> No you didn't
[09:04:43] <chromas> Yes I did!
[09:04:52] <janrinok> no, I think you are mistaken ...
[09:05:05] <chromas> That makes sense. Also, put opinions in comments instead of stories
[09:05:08] <janrinok> ah. MP - I miss it
[09:05:31] <chromas> I think all the sketched are you youtube
[09:05:38] <chromas> At least the popular ones
[09:05:51] <janrinok> yep. Some submitters have an axe to grind - they shouldn't be using our site as their personal blog.
[09:06:23] <janrinok> I often reject stories are tell the submitter to put it in his/her blog.
[09:06:31] <janrinok> s/are/and/
[09:06:33] <exec> <janrinok> I often reject stories and tell the submitter to put it in his/her blog.
[09:07:17] <janrinok> now another general issue is spelling. What do you understand (if anything) about spelling in a submission
[09:07:56] <chromas> Leave it alone if its differente from my version of Englishe for one
[09:08:04] <chromas> Like colour vs color
[09:08:22] * chromas doesn't remember what else he read
[09:08:31] <chromas> I know about editors brackets [] though
[09:08:45] * chromas sneaks an apostrophe in there somewhere
[09:09:10] <janrinok> we use the dialect that the original source material is in. If it is a US source then the title should spell Color like that, but if it is UK or Aus, then Colour is correct.
[09:09:49] <janrinok> Dont go changing the spelling in quoted material simply because your browser says it is wrong. Have various dictionaries installed to cope with the source
[09:10:00] <chromas> Ah there it is. /me has the Editing Process wiki page open in a buried tab
[09:10:41] <chromas> Heh, usually Firefox wants me to change US spellings to UK English even though it's set to US
[09:10:49] <janrinok> when you have several sources in different dialects pick one - usually the lead source - and stick with that, but never change quoted material
[09:12:15] <janrinok> but using different dialects sometimes means that we have to explain abbreviations or unusual words. If when you are 2nd'ing a story it is not immediately obvious what is meant, then it probably needs editing and explaining in an Ed Comment
[09:13:11] <janrinok> these might seem like obvious things - but when an ed is rushing to put something on the front page then it is easy to overlook the obvious
[09:13:31] <janrinok> the 2nd's job is to help pick these things up
[09:14:06] <janrinok> In an ideal world, of course, the 2nd ed should have nothing to do - that is OK too. No point in changing something just for the sake of it
[09:15:06] <janrinok> right, back to the editing page again. We got a little ahead of ourselves and missed discussing the Editor's Notes box
[09:15:07] <chromas> But I still sign off on it if no one else has.
[09:15:56] <janrinok> yep, ideally we want every story to be green before release, but we _should_ go back and 2nd stories that have already gone out.
[09:16:29] <janrinok> the priority for 2nd eds is stories not yet released, then stories that are out but not checked.
[09:16:50] <chromas> Is use of the <abbr> and similar tags halal and/or kosher? Or is it haram?
[09:17:12] <janrinok> If the story has been released - check the comments. Very often helpful commenters will tell us if we have got something wrong.
[09:17:51] <janrinok> Once a story has been released though, make sure that you make it clear that edits have taken place since release - perhaps an Ed#
[09:18:08] <janrinok> Ed's comment underneath the story with a date time in it
[09:19:18] <janrinok> I don't use the <abbr> tags - I'm not even sure if they are accepted in Rehash. Quite a lot of tags are flushed out to make the site more secure
[09:20:53] <janrinok> I use something like "USA (United States of America)" if the abbreviation is used in the source and is not obvious, or "United States Of America (USA)" if I am going to use the abbreviation later in the story
[09:21:37] <janrinok> but apply commonsense. If you didn't know immediately what something meant, then somebody else will probably have the same problem
[09:22:27] <janrinok> So, any more immediate questions or shall we move on to "Editor's Notes' box
[09:23:12] <chromas> We can move on. Though what about the Similar & Related? The Ignore column is to make it ignore certain key words?
[09:24:27] <janrinok> Similar and Related are stories that Rehash thinks are, well, similar and related. They are worth checking so that you can link to them, but more often than note Rehash is wrong.
[09:25:02] <chromas> Checking the Related box adds it to "Related Stories" in the article posting?
[09:25:05] <janrinok> I read what it says, but I don't both ticking the ignore or related box
[09:25:17] <chromas> Ah.
[09:25:23] <janrinok> dunno - probably. This is the place to try it though
[09:25:44] <janrinok> give it a try
[09:26:13] <janrinok> nope - not on my box
[09:26:36] <chromas> Works for me. "Related Stories" \n test )edit_
[09:26:57] <chromas> s/\)(.*)-/(\1)/
[09:27:05] <janrinok> oh, it is a hyperlink ok, but it doesn't add the script to your main story
[09:27:08] <chromas> no sedbotting eh
[09:27:39] <chromas> it's in a section below the story
[09:28:39] <janrinok> not on my box.
[09:28:52] <chromas> In preview, I checked the "Ignore" box for "spoiler" and now it's gone from the suggestions list, so I guess that works
[09:29:21] <janrinok> OK, Editor's Notes....
[09:29:31] <chromas> k
[09:30:14] * chromas put a note in there earlier
[09:30:26] <janrinok> from its arrival in the Submissions queue until editing the story will be looked at by numerous eds. They might each have additional information relevant to the story: a new link, a warning about the source, or whatever.
[09:31:29] <janrinok> Ignore these comments at your peril. Somebody might have spotted something that affects the way we process the story. Read them and check if any important in them has been overlooked
[09:33:03] <janrinok> Recent examples include submissions that are coming from a company that is trying to garner political support - so not a genuine story and not something that we should be printing anyway. Another is when we get duplicate submissions that are trying to get to the front page
[09:33:21] <janrinok> but they are reformatting them so that it is not obvious.
[09:34:36] <janrinok> the only clue might the IP hash, but it is not something that we usually check as a matter of course. If another ed has seen it, they will make a not of it. The notes stay with the sub/story forever
[09:37:15] <janrinok> Moving down the page make sure that the release date and time are sensible. Sometimes we will prepare a story for release many days in advance, to mark a specific anniversary or event. If you find a date that is out of sequence have a think about whether it is intentional or not. Usually, this would be a candidate for an Editors Note too
[09:38:31] <chromas> And Fastforward to set it to now. Does that check the Display box too?
[09:38:31] * chromas tests
[09:38:35] <janrinok> if you switch back to the stories page again. You will find that the story you are editing (and others) have '***' after the title. Hovering your mouse over this should show you the Editors Notes
[09:39:42] <chromas> Looks like it does not display.
[09:39:44] <chromas> I see the note
[09:40:42] <janrinok> Again, I usually do things manually anyway so I can't say that I have used the FastForward much. I have used it, but I don't recall what else I had to do. But seeing a grey colour would immediately get me to tick that box instinctively anyway
[09:42:08] <janrinok> something you might want to do is to cut a too-long story between Intro Copy and Extended Copy.
[09:43:35] <janrinok> Nobody wants to see a wall of text in a summary. So often we will limit the Intro Copy into a couple of essential paragraphs, and then put the remainder into the extended copy. That way the front page will show only the intro unless the reader selects Continue on that page
[09:44:32] <janrinok> Where that boundary is can be subjective. So, if you think that the story that you are 2nd'ing is simply too long, consider splitting it but beware of a couple of pitfalls.
[09:45:02] <janrinok> Firstly, you might have to rewrite the first few paragraphs so that they make sense as standalone text
[09:45:57] <janrinok> Secondly, on the editing page, any selections that are valid in the intro part do not apply to the extended part. For example:
[09:46:33] <chromas> I notice the Extended Copy section doesn't get the semi-random <p>s thrown in by the software when there're multiple consecutive newlines.
[09:46:44] <janrinok> If you are in the middle of <blockquote> and you move the text to extended, the portion that you move will NOT be in blockquote.
[09:46:53] <chromas> (contrary to the Intro Copy section)
[09:47:17] <janrinok> You will have to insert another </blockquote> in Intro and add <blockquote> at the start of Extended
[09:47:58] <janrinok> not sure what you meant by that
[09:48:24] <janrinok> there shouldn't be any 'random' <p>s anywhere?
[09:48:30] <chromas> Oh, in the Intro Copy section, if I put in several blank lines, it sticks a <p> in it. The Extended Copy section doesn't do that.
[09:49:03] <janrinok> doesn't do than on mine!
[09:49:16] <chromas> Oh, now it did add one. I just didn't have enough lines before I guess
[09:49:37] <chromas> Well anyhow, I know how to use html tags so I won't be doing that anyway
[09:49:52] <janrinok> have you got Takyons javascript tool install (V14 is current)?
[09:50:03] <chromas> I don't.
[09:50:51] <janrinok> get it from his sig and it works under grease monkey and what has replaced grease monkey. It gives you loads of handy buttons and facilities. I use it extensively for editing
[09:51:13] <janrinok> not sure which browser you are using though
[09:51:54] <chromas> Firefox
[09:52:07] * chromas clicks the script's link
[09:52:19] <janrinok> The script makes editing much easier. It automagically lets you insert lists, links, blockquotes etc
[09:53:58] <janrinok> I had to tweak the latest script because it was putting buttons on every website, but there is a simple mechanism for limiting it to just SN pages to get round this problem
[09:54:29] <janrinok> are you installing it now?
[09:54:47] <chromas> Was gonna
[09:55:05] <janrinok> go ahead - I will welcome a short break from thinking!
[09:55:15] <chromas> Firefox crashed while I was looking at tampermonkey vs greasemonkey
[09:55:24] * chromas goes with the popular one
[09:55:48] <janrinok> can't help you on that - I am a Pale Moon user
[09:55:58] <chromas> Oh, you don't have to think. Give me permissions on prod and watch the chaos
[09:56:10] <janrinok> my setup is very retro - MATE and Pale Moon. like the good ol' days
[09:56:36] <chromas> At least you get real, authentic Tree Style Tabs
[09:56:47] <chromas> (if you want)
[09:56:52] <janrinok> I have to be able to sit back and say 'Well, I told him not to do that' when people point fingers at me :)
[09:57:02] <chromas> The new firefox version is hacky because of the webextensions api
[09:58:17] <janrinok> I have loads of 'useful' scripts that do not work with FF anymore. So I have abandoned it in favour of something that is more sane, at least to me
[09:58:56] <chromas> Hm. I don't see a place to name the script. It's just "Unnamed Script"
[10:00:05] <chromas> It's pasted in though.
[10:00:11] * chromas reloads the dev page
[10:00:48] <janrinok> did you save it as a yourscriptname.user.js?
[10:01:08] <janrinok> You might have to restart FF to get it to take
[10:01:40] <janrinok> ... but I might be talking crap again
[10:01:47] <chromas> I clicked New User Script and got a tab with a place to paste the script and a save button. No place for naming
[10:02:01] <chromas> Probably the new webextensions version is dumb
[10:02:32] <janrinok> I normally download it somewhere, rename the script to Soylent.user.js, and then install it
[10:02:40] <janrinok> it shows up then as Soylent
[10:03:31] <chromas> Greasemonkey says it's active but no visible alteration of the page takes place. Maybe I should boot Pale Moon
[10:04:01] <janrinok> perhaps that is a FF issue
[10:06:00] <chromas> I switched to TamperMonkey and it works. Even got the proper title.
[10:07:57] * chromas fills the Notes section with toilet glyphs
[10:09:18] <janrinok> a bit of practice with it and you will find that is saves loads of time when editing, or at least I found that I did
[10:11:47] <janrinok> I've got another 20 minutes or so available this morning before I have to go and cook our lunch. Do you want to practice for a bit, or have you got any burning questions?
[10:12:42] <chromas> No questions; I'm saving them up for just after you leave.
[10:12:50] <janrinok> sounds like a plan!
[10:13:21] <chromas> lunch++
[10:13:21] <Bender> karma - lunch: 1
[10:13:51] <janrinok> OK, explain the colours to me
[10:14:29] <janrinok> e.g how many are there, what do they mean, how can you change from one to another
[10:15:29] <chromas> Gray for non-visible. Check Visible and click Update for green, which is visible. Oh one thing I didn't check out is color of visible but not-yet-live
[10:15:35] * chromas checks
[10:16:12] <chromas> Yellow for my posts. Red for non-seconded posts
[10:16:32] <janrinok> for visible use Displayed - otherwise you will confuse every other editor
[10:16:41] <chromas> oh yeah. sorry
[10:16:53] * chromas has great memory. the best memory
[10:17:06] <janrinok> and what do you mean by displayed but not-yet-live?
[10:17:46] <chromas> Displayed but in the future
[10:18:26] <chromas> I set Twitter Syndication Test Story One to the future and I see it's still green, so that answers that question
[10:18:50] <chromas> (Technically, it's green now and wasn't before, since it had a single author.)
[10:19:09] <janrinok> OK, the only thing that tells you whether a story has gone live is the date time on the RHS of the page, and the comment count next to it!
[10:19:47] <chromas> Seems like a little flag or colorizing the Date column could be useful
[10:21:05] <chromas> So gray for no-display. Check Display for yellow if it's my story, or green if it's not.
[10:21:14] <janrinok> OK, I have submitted a short story - 2 lines -. Please edit it and comply with the instructions in it. I'll look at it this afternoon, in a couple of hours time.
[10:21:27] <chromas> Red for single-author/no-seconding. Update for green
[10:21:46] * chromas loads it up
[10:21:56] <janrinok> NOPE - Yellow indicates that you have done the first editor task. You cannot change the colour any further. Only a 2nd ed can do that
[10:22:38] <janrinok> Red means that another editor has done the first editor task, you can change the colour by doing a 2nd edit on it
[10:23:27] <janrinok> well, I suppose you could change your yellow story to grey by removing the Display tick
[10:25:48] * chromas edits date; checks Display; saves
[10:27:04] <janrinok> why is your story yellow? What will happen if I 2nd it?
[10:27:41] <chromas> It's my story and I'm sticking to it. If you second it, it should turn green right?
[10:27:42] <janrinok> if your story is yellow, what colour is it on my screen
[10:27:53] * chromas doesn't remember if it stays yellow for him but changes green for anyone else
[10:27:58] <chromas> red
[10:28:19] <janrinok> check its colour now - refresh the page
[10:28:33] <chromas> I see it's green now.
[10:29:01] <chromas> Signed off by janrinok. Don't see any other changes.
[10:29:13] <janrinok> OK, and at 1500UTC it should hit the front page. But if you noticed a major error in it, how would you stop it?
[10:30:28] <chromas> Click Edit; uncheck Display; click Update; edit, then check Display and I suppose possibly reschedule it depending on the time it takes to edit.
[10:32:03] <janrinok> as long as you know the uncheck Display you are OK. The rest can be done in slower time. incidentally, if you do stop a story and there are more in the queue all ready for release. consider moving one them into this slot so that there isn't a gap on the front page
[10:33:00] <janrinok> If you have stopped a story, put an Editor's Note in there explaining why, and initial your note.
[10:33:36] <janrinok> e.g. "Story stopped because it links to NSFW material--JR"
[10:33:47] <chromas> And pop in here and ask for help if needed.
[10:34:13] <janrinok> we recommend that you sit on this channel while editing, particularly in the early stages.
[10:34:35] * chromas lurks in almost all the channels :)
[10:34:50] <janrinok> That way we know how to get in touch with you. It might mean that you are watching loads of windows but that is part of the task
[10:35:21] <janrinok> however, I am as guilty of not doing this as much as anyone.
[10:35:43] <janrinok> as long as the story has been stopped then no harm is done.
[10:36:21] <janrinok> I've got to go now. I suspect that you will be asleep when your story goes out :)
[10:36:42] <janrinok> ... unless you change the release time to 1200UTC ...
[10:37:03] <janrinok> or even 1100UTC hint hint
[10:37:58] <janrinok> seems like it has gone out!
[10:38:34] <chromas> oh no, and I forgot to add in some errors
[10:38:55] <janrinok> You changed the time to 0100 UTC and it is already 1038 UTC - so whamo! Front page!
[10:39:13] * chromas hides it
[10:39:24] <chromas> and it's back to gray
[10:39:42] <janrinok> but it has hit the front page, so if you edit it now remember what else you should do
[10:40:15] <janrinok> gtg, laters chromas - have a good sleep
[10:40:22] <chromas> ~g'night janrinok
[10:40:24] * exec irresponsibly deletes a bottle of cubic splines from janrinok
[10:40:34] * janrinok is lurking while cooking lunch
[10:40:37] <chromas> No splines for you! —the Spline Nazi
[10:40:51] <janrinok> ~gday chromas
[10:40:53] * exec prematurely corrupts a +1 mace of beans & rice with chromas
[10:42:21] * chromas updates with a dept plus Display and Fastforward checked to adjust release time to now even though it was already in the past
[10:51:31] <chromas> Hm, shouldn't the admin's UI be called BackHash?
[12:21:08] <janrinok> chromas - you should have put a note at the bottom of the story showing that it had been edited after release.... :)
[12:21:26] <chromas> Oh noes!
[12:21:30] <janrinok> lol
[12:22:07] * janrinok walks off muttering about not being able to get the staff nowadays
[14:34:46] <janrinok> chromas, you still awake?
[15:05:59] <cmn32480> frickin' old people I sweart
[15:06:17] <cmn32480> and young people
[15:07:57] <cmn32480> an frickin' servers with stupid jobs that need to be babysat for an emergency weekend upgrade 'cuz people were too stupid to think down the road when they bought the product
[15:08:45] * cmn32480 blames janrinok for all of it
[15:10:16] <cmn32480> ~blame
[15:10:18] * exec points at Bytram
[15:10:23] <cmn32480> yeah... him too
[15:10:36] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[15:10:39] * exec derisively pairs a tin of lips & assholes with cmn32480
[15:11:02] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[15:11:04] * exec presumably drops a whiff of logical phalluses on janrinok
[15:11:10] <janrinok> good to catch you in such a tolerant mood
[15:11:29] * cmn32480 is considering kicking puppies today
[15:11:37] <janrinok> not your puppy I hope
[15:11:37] <cmn32480> apparently TMB's mood from the other day is catching
[15:11:47] <janrinok> I missed that too
[15:12:07] <cmn32480> no not my puppy
[15:12:11] <cmn32480> then my wife will kick me
[15:12:46] <cmn32480> how is you?
[15:12:53] <cmn32480> yeah tht seems like a reasonably safe topic
[15:13:41] <janrinok> not bad - had a training session with chromas this morning. Marty and I chatted and decided to try to include 2nd ed'ing as part of the training.
[15:13:55] <cmn32480> ok
[15:14:17] <janrinok> Once I am sure he wants to go live, I'll get him on prod
[15:14:25] <cmn32480> just be careful... chromas is a little... um... off
[15:15:00] <janrinok> had no problem this am, but pm me if you have something I should know
[15:15:12] * cmn32480 is not so secretly hoping chromas see all the insults
[15:15:29] <janrinok> oh, he will :) I've been doing it myself
[15:15:30] <cmn32480> nah just me stirring the pot
[15:15:40] <cmn32480> oh
[15:15:41] <cmn32480> good.
[15:15:53] * cmn32480 feel sbetter for not having been around much that the place hasn't burned down
[15:15:54] <janrinok> lets start the way we normally continue
[15:16:14] <janrinok> every man for himself and be damned!
[15:16:21] <cmn32480> fair 'nuff
[15:16:36] <cmn32480> when we stop insulting you it means we don't love you anymore?
[15:16:52] <janrinok> I've got an operation planned for mid-March, but I should be able to continue on here
[15:17:05] <cmn32480> finally getting that vasectomy?
[15:17:17] <janrinok> S sends you a hug, by the way. How is J and the tribe?
[15:17:35] <cmn32480> Please give S one for me as well
[15:17:46] <janrinok> had the big chop years ago. They are operating on my throat this time - prolly going to cut my head off
[15:17:47] <cmn32480> ehh... she's the only one treats me nice... she cna have 2
[15:18:09] <cmn32480> well.. upside is that they can't really make you any uglier
[15:18:22] <janrinok> and I like nurses
[15:18:26] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[15:18:57] <cmn32480> somethign tells me they all look like Broom Hilda and not the ones in those naughty movies you sent me
[15:19:12] <janrinok> I won't be able to speak at all for 2 or 3 days, and I will be limited to blended food for a bit longer
[15:19:48] <janrinok> No, I've already met some of my possible nurses and they will do for the short time I will be in there
[15:19:48] <cmn32480> OH NO! Pizza day is out the window for a while
[15:19:59] <janrinok> I can blend a pizza no problem
[15:20:36] <cmn32480> you must have a bigger blender than I do
[15:20:53] <janrinok> I have a bigger everything than you have, or so J said
[15:21:02] <cmn32480> this all heppening while S is hanging out at her home away from home?
[15:21:23] * cmn32480 saw the pictures... she lied to you, my friend
[15:21:24] <janrinok> no she will still be here with help coming in - but it is only for 24 hours or so
[15:21:36] <cmn32480> that's good
[15:21:41] <janrinok> true, your kilt is much bigger than mine ...
[15:21:47] <cmn32480> see?
[15:21:54] <cmn32480> so is my beer belly
[15:21:54] <janrinok> but then, so is your waist
[15:22:01] <janrinok> ninja'd
[15:22:13] <cmn32480> semi-great minds think alike
[15:22:32] <janrinok> and so do we, my friend, so do we
[15:23:08] <janrinok> so, tell me more about babysitting servers. I love it when you talk dirty
[15:23:11] <cmn32480> are they hopeful that this will resolve the fact that you sound like a frog with a frog that has laryngitis stuck in its throat?
[15:23:18] <janrinok> that's the plan
[15:23:27] * cmn32480 will keep you in my prayers
[15:24:18] <cmn32480> so there was once this nimnob that decided to implement a system without talking to IT and without looking for any guidance as to the limitations of said system
[15:24:39] <cmn32480> silly little things like what is the back end DB that it talks to
[15:25:11] <janrinok> I'm getting the gist of it
[15:25:35] <cmn32480> so this owner of the company implements the system adn to save a few $$ he gets the Pro version instead of the corporate version
[15:25:48] <cmn32480> now note that this is a multi-user application
[15:26:02] <cmn32480> so the PR version has an MSAccess DB as the back end
[15:26:06] <janrinok> I can see a flaw, but pray continue
[15:26:08] <cmn32480> *Pro
[15:26:22] <cmn32480> the "Corporate" version uses SQL server
[15:26:23] <janrinok> I can see several flaws
[15:27:18] <cmn32480> so to save about $1500 (which we now had to spend to upgrade the licenses), I've spent the last 48 hours upgerading this system from MS Access to SQL Server
[15:27:34] <cmn32480> and the two pieces that take the longest each run for about 24 hours
[15:27:47] <cmn32480> but if they get any errors, they stop.
[15:27:55] <janrinok> can't they watch it and call you if it stops?
[15:28:04] <cmn32480> the second 24hours does.. the first one doesn't
[15:28:38] <cmn32480> that would admit taking ownership of said error in initail judgement
[15:28:46] <janrinok> yup
[15:29:30] <cmn32480> and as this person is one who will never accpet blame, or acknowledge taht the failure was his... no that wasn't even offered
[15:29:31] <janrinok> so they still claim it is your fault for letting them buy the wrong thing. Of course, I should have thought of that ...
[15:29:51] <cmn32480> on a system that I dodn't get the credentials for until very recently.
[15:30:15] <cmn32480> it has been in place 4 year
[15:30:16] <cmn32480> s
[15:30:46] <janrinok> so are the company billing them for weekend work rates, because you could have done this during the week
[15:31:06] <cmn32480> so I've timed thigns to the point where I can at least cat nap between where I know the errors are going to be (sice I did run a test upgrade on a replica server
[15:31:15] <janrinok> the fact that they bought the wrong thing is their fault
[15:31:24] <cmn32480> i could not do this during the week
[15:31:31] <janrinok> brb nurse
[15:31:54] <cmn32480> ok, Doctor... but I'm not wearing the skimpy outfit like the other day.
[15:35:46] <cmn32480> we only do that if you are filming!
[15:43:40] <cmn32480> I'm back
[15:43:46] <cmn32480> had to take Willow out for a piddle
[15:44:04] <janrinok> so am I, and I've had a piddle too. but not in the garden
[15:44:21] <cmn32480> long as you dind't do it on the rug
[15:44:51] <cmn32480> https://imgur.com
[15:44:52] <exec> └─ 13Imgur: The magic of the Internet
[15:44:59] <cmn32480> that's current as of earlier this week
[15:45:03] <janrinok> we have tiled floors throughout. It is easier for the wheelchair and to clean up after I piddle
[15:45:16] <cmn32480> good point
[15:45:26] <janrinok> its growing!
[15:45:33] <cmn32480> like the weeds in your garden
[15:46:01] <cmn32480> she's about 20kg now
[15:46:48] <janrinok> some of my weeds weigh about the same I reckon
[15:47:24] <cmn32480> her breeder just posted that she is trying to home one of her breeding Newfoundlands...
[15:47:34] <cmn32480> 82kg
[15:48:42] <janrinok> that is a lot of dog
[15:50:09] <cmn32480> looks more like a small bear walking throuhg the field
[15:50:34] <cmn32480> if memory servers.. that'd be bigger than you!
[15:56:04] <janrinok> yup, I'm around 4kg lighter
[15:56:25] <cmn32480> we coudl get you a saddle
[15:56:53] <janrinok> what makes you think I haven't got one?
[15:58:12] <janrinok> I was going to do some programming this afternoon. but I have happily wasted the best part of an hour chatting to you. And I'll have to go start cooking dinner soon
[15:58:21] <cmn32480> yeha, cowboy!
[15:58:26] <cmn32480> you are quite welcome
[15:58:46] <cmn32480> I'm sitting here watching the numbers on theis f**king upgrade increment ever so slowly
[15:58:55] <janrinok> how big a db is it?
[15:58:56] <cmn32480> thank you for the diversion
[15:59:03] <cmn32480> it has greatly improved my mood
[15:59:09] <cmn32480> not that large
[15:59:26] <cmn32480> the problem is that the DB contains the link ot the documents which are stored elsewhere
[16:00:03] <cmn32480> after you chacnge the license keys to go up to the corporate edition, the software recreates EVERY quote in the system to embed the new license key for some reason
[16:00:18] <janrinok> bummer
[16:00:23] <cmn32480> so 55,000 documents later, I'll be able to rehome to SQL server
[16:00:32] <cmn32480> holy hell
[16:00:38] <cmn32480> Willow just crop dusted me
[16:00:49] <cmn32480> the paint is peeling off the walls
[16:01:23] * cmn32480 wishes he could shar this incredible trauma through Smell-O-Vision
[16:01:25] <janrinok> he's a good boy, and you know it
[16:01:43] * janrinok is rather pleased that cmn32480 cannot do that
[16:01:57] <cmn32480> figures
[16:02:41] <cmn32480> the SQL remoe will take aout an hour
[16:02:48] <cmn32480> *rehome
[16:03:00] <cmn32480> my eyes are stillall teary from the gas attack
[16:03:19] <janrinok> I'd worked it out - I'm used to your typing now - and you can't blame the dog for that. You always type encrypted
[16:03:32] <cmn32480> security through IUGFEPITGG
[16:05:06] <cmn32480> so what's for dinner tonight?
[16:05:10] <cmn32480> anythign good?
[16:05:22] <janrinok> traditional style roast chicken with veggies
[16:05:29] <cmn32480> nice
[16:05:38] <janrinok> hopefully, it is always good.
[16:05:40] <cmn32480> we made chicken and fresh dumplin's last night
[16:05:52] <janrinok> my mouth is watering now
[16:06:03] <cmn32480> it was quite good
[16:06:09] <cmn32480> be even better today
[16:06:21] <janrinok> I'm sure it was. and I'm sure it will be
[16:06:23] <cmn32480> after a night in the fridge for all the flavors to meld
[16:06:32] <cmn32480> always better the second day
[16:06:46] <janrinok> do the kids like it too?
[16:06:56] <cmn32480> sort of
[16:07:04] <cmn32480> 1 ate all but the peas
[16:07:13] <cmn32480> one ate all but the carrots
[16:07:34] <cmn32480> one pushed the plate aside and said "you know I don't like chicken"
[16:07:36] <janrinok> and you helped out by eating whatever was left...
[16:08:12] <cmn32480> duh?
[16:08:45] <janrinok> I've got to go - S will be getting hungry in an hour or so
[16:08:50] <cmn32480> ok
[16:08:53] <cmn32480> give her my love
[16:09:00] <cmn32480> and a slobber from Willow
[16:09:26] <cmn32480> and a hug for yo too
[16:09:33] <janrinok> enjoyed the chat, and you have had a hug don't get greedy! My best to J and Willow. and a tickle for the kids
[16:09:35] <cmn32480> thanks for pulling me out of my mood
[16:09:49] <cmn32480> I needed it
[16:10:04] <janrinok> np - will be back on later when you will prolly still be waiting for it to update ....
[16:10:15] <cmn32480> it says 11 hours left
[16:10:19] <janrinok> lol!
[16:10:21] <cmn32480> pending errors
[16:10:25] * janrinok lurking
[16:10:34] * cmn32480 skulking
[16:36:36] <Fnord666> Good morning/afternoon all!
[16:37:20] <cmn32480> heya Fnord666
[16:37:34] * cmn32480 sin't sure if it is mornign or afternoon... or even the day
[16:37:58] <Fnord666> Howdy cmn32480 janrinok
[16:38:32] <Fnord666> hey cmn32480 I would ask how you’re doing but I think you answered it.
[16:38:36] <cmn32480> janrinok is only lurking.... last I saw he was off to prepare dinner... a nice roast chicken with fresh veggies
[16:39:10] <Fnord666> saw that in the back scroll
[16:39:56] * cmn32480 bangs his head on the desk
[16:40:26] <Fnord666> don’t worry it feels better when you stop
[16:40:26] <cmn32480> well.. least I don't feel like kicking puppies anymore.. so that si a plus
[16:41:06] <cmn32480> my dog just got inside a very large Amazon box and has made herself quite comforatble
[16:41:21] <Fnord666> sounds like you’ve bee nhaving a lot of fun - not
[16:42:15] <Fnord666> the pup on the other hand…
[16:42:29] <cmn32480> the dog in the box is the best thign that has happened since Friday
[16:44:54] <Fnord666> ugh
[16:47:21] <Fnord666> Dogs have a great way of doing things like that when you’re out of sorts
[16:47:27] <cmn32480> yeah
[16:47:35] <cmn32480> she's been pretty good for me in general
[16:47:43] <cmn32480> and way too big to get flushed
[16:48:09] <cmn32480> dog in a box
[16:48:10] <cmn32480> https://imgur.com
[16:48:12] <exec> └─ 13Imgur: The magic of the Internet
[16:48:56] <Fnord666> lol - yeah goldfish don’t do a whole lot of cute
[16:49:08] <cmn32480> exactly
[16:49:33] <cmn32480> and just for scale... a pair of 25x20x4 furnace filters came in that box
[16:50:13] <Fnord666> How big is your pup?
[16:50:18] <cmn32480> 4 months old
[16:50:22] <cmn32480> about 45lbs
[16:50:52] <Fnord666> should fit nicely
[16:51:02] <cmn32480> for another month or two
[16:51:12] <cmn32480> expectation is that she shoudl top out at about 130lbs
[16:51:47] <Fnord666> Now we’ve has a cat or two in the past that have climbed into a box and I’ve been tempted to tape it up and ship it to Timbukto
[16:52:01] <cmn32480> yes
[16:52:03] <cmn32480> that happens
[16:52:47] <cmn32480> she and the cat are not partiulary friendly at this point
[16:52:56] <cmn32480> but I think it is becasue the cat is old and crotchety
[16:53:15] <Fnord666> They tend to get that way
[16:54:15] <Fnord666> The main difference is the attitude. Dogs have a family, cats think they have staff.
[16:54:27] <cmn32480> lol that's about right
[16:56:29] <Fnord666> You seen any good plans for building an Ark? :)
[16:56:39] <cmn32480> no... but I been looking
[16:56:46] <cmn32480> 'cuz jeebers!
[16:57:00] <Fnord666> yup. The yard is like walking on a soaked sponge
[16:57:17] <cmn32480> i know.. I'm out on it every couple hours with the pooch
[16:57:36] <cmn32480> it is goign to be quite the mess when i ahve to think about grass in a month or two
[16:58:23] <Fnord666> Yup.
[16:59:05] * cmn32480 prefers not to think abotu the yard quite yet
[16:59:50] <Fnord666> These warm days are plaing hell with the flowers. They’re quite confused about whether it’s spring or not
[16:59:55] <Fnord666> playing
[17:00:20] <Fnord666> What breed is the pop?
[17:00:25] <Fnord666> pup?
[17:00:27] <cmn32480> Newfoundland
[17:00:34] <Fnord666> ah, nice
[17:00:40] <cmn32480> pop is a human,,,, jsut like me!
[17:01:44] <Fnord666> :)
[17:01:55] <cmn32480> she is friendly... smart... drooly
[17:02:58] <Fnord666> a good combination
[17:03:06] <cmn32480> as soon as the bitey stage is over... we'll be in a much better fram of mind
[17:04:00] <cmn32480> how you been Fnord?
[17:04:00] <Fnord666> ah puppies.
[17:04:09] <Fnord666> I have been reasonably well
[17:04:42] <Fnord666> a quick bout with a sinus infection but other than that...
[17:05:02] <cmn32480> glad things have been good
[17:05:24] <Fnord666> Yourself?
[17:06:18] <cmn32480> other than the usual.. and the annoying crap like this weekend that could have been avoided... I've been pretty good
[17:06:46] <Fnord666> That’s good to hear.
[17:06:50] <cmn32480> been home for a while, but i'm getting ready ot head out on the raoad
[17:08:00] <Fnord666> Did you get to spend the holidays at home?
[17:08:19] <cmn32480> I did
[17:08:34] <cmn32480> corporate policy... we dont' travel the week of Thanksgiving or Christmas
[17:08:34] <Fnord666> That’s nice
[17:08:52] <Fnord666> of them
[17:08:59] <cmn32480> unless it is driving distance, adn the weather looks to be good
[17:09:38] <Fnord666> Sounds too reasonable to be corporate policy
[17:09:46] <cmn32480> nope that is policy...
[17:09:50] <cmn32480> I know.. I made it
[17:09:59] <cmn32480> and forced the owners to OK it
[17:10:01] <Fnord666> :)
[17:10:23] <Fnord666> Tis good to be the “king"
[17:12:19] <Fnord666> ??
[17:12:55] <Fnord666> apologies. I’ll be biab. Apparently there’s some furniture moving going on here.
[17:13:50] <cmn32480> sorry got sidetracked by a kid
[17:13:55] <cmn32480> yes it si good to be the kinf
[17:14:19] <cmn32480> you ahve fun w/ furniture... I'm going to attempt a power nap for about 30 minutes
[17:19:25] <Fnord666> enjoy!
[18:12:12] <janrinok> I'm back - still converting your db, cmn32480 ?
[18:14:26] * janrinok is stuffed with chicken and veggies, S is happy too
[18:19:05] <Fnord666> janrinok cmn32480 has headed off for a nap
[18:19:35] <Fnord666> and howdy!
[18:20:29] <janrinok> ~gday Fnord666,
[18:20:31] * exec romantically gives birth to a tinfoil hat of rum for Fnord666,
[18:20:38] <Fnord666> ~gday janrinok
[18:20:39] * exec cromulently merges a tremendouns number of muchas grassy ass with janrinok
[18:20:50] <janrinok> you've been editing well over the last few weeks....
[18:20:58] <Fnord666> ah rum!
[18:21:05] <Fnord666> thank you
[18:21:14] <Fnord666> Nice to have you back as well!
[18:21:40] <janrinok> nice to be back, although still got a few hurdles to get over in the next few months or so
[18:21:53] <Fnord666> It’s a process as they say
[18:22:10] <janrinok> yup, but I am better than I was so it's looking good!
[18:22:21] <Fnord666> That’s great to hear!
[18:23:12] <janrinok> did a training session with chromas this morning - he should be able to help on 2nd ed'ing within a day or two
[18:23:51] <Fnord666> That’s great that he’s willing to help
[18:24:25] <Fnord666> Looks like he’s doing well
[18:24:44] <janrinok> there is another in the pipeline too, so hopefully we will be getting up to something like reasonable strength again soon
[18:25:47] <Fnord666> I had heard rumors of another…..
[18:25:58] <janrinok> Bytram and I are trying something different for training. Get them on the prod as a 2nd ed and then slowly bring them to the full set of skills over a couple of more days. That way they become productive earlier
[18:26:49] <janrinok> we'll have to see how it goes
[18:26:56] <Fnord666> I like that. They can compare the submission to the posted story before another editor gets it
[18:27:25] <Fnord666> Seeing both steps of the process
[18:28:11] <janrinok> well, it also frees us up to concentrate on getting stories processed without having to lose time 2nd'ing them
[18:28:27] <Fnord666> Also true
[18:29:14] <janrinok> I note also that between us we have been making a fair number of submissions too
[18:31:50] <Fnord666> Yep. I see that you’ve been making some updates to Storybot
[18:32:32] <Fnord666> or at least updated the version number
[18:32:36] <janrinok> well, it is still not fully automatic, but I have improved the searching, and will now concentrate on cleaning up the product
[18:33:27] <janrinok> I think you might be using an old version - I don't remember updating it 'recently', but my memory is faulty so I might have done an increment along the line somewhere
[18:34:49] <janrinok> I also intend changing the layout of the submission that Arthur produces, putting all the headings at the end, to make it easier to edit and release.
[18:35:05] <Fnord666> I think the version you shared with me was a 0.2x
[18:35:20] <Fnord666> and I think you’re up to 0.3x now
[18:35:23] <janrinok> Let me get this one sorted out and I'll update you
[18:35:31] <Fnord666> ok. thanks
[18:35:53] <janrinok> I've been working on 0.3 for over 8 months here, but I have not had as much time as I would have liked as you well know
[18:36:06] <Fnord666> That update to Arthur sounds like a good idea too
[18:36:20] <Fnord666> yeah, RL seems to have a habit of getting in the way….
[18:37:01] <janrinok> it certainly does. I hope that we cheered cmn up earlier on - he was not in a good mood when he first came online
[18:37:31] <Fnord666> I noticed that
[18:37:51] <janrinok> that is going to be one big dog when it grows up!
[18:38:18] <janrinok> the sort of dog that will take children for a walk, whether they want to or not
[18:38:53] <Fnord666> yeah, they eat big and poop big!
[18:39:05] <janrinok> there is that downside to it, true
[18:40:07] <Fnord666> Sometimes they take the kids for a drag
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[18:40:59] <janrinok> ~gday mrpg
[18:41:01] * exec sardonically kipes a snapshot of vibrators from mrpg
[18:41:14] <Fnord666> ~gday mrpg
[18:41:16] * exec unjustifiably cracks open a scrote of glass for mrpg
[18:41:46] <mrpg> I dont know the verb kipes but thank you :-)
[18:42:04] <mrpg> I dont know what is a scrote either :) haha but thnaks, hello.
[18:42:11] <janrinok> I didn't know what it meant either, but I thought that by staying quiet I might get away with it
[18:42:22] <mrpg> #g kipe
[18:42:23] <MrPlow> http://www.dictionary.com - "Kipe definition at Dictionary.com, a free online dictionary with pronunciation, synonyms and translation. Look it up now!"
[18:42:23] <upstart> ^ 03Kipe | Define Kipe at Dictionary.com
[18:42:29] <Fnord666> #scrotum
[18:42:34] <Fnord666> #g scrotum
[18:42:35] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The scrotum is an anatomical male reproductive structure that consists of a suspended dual-chambered sack of skin and smooth muscle that is present in most terrestrial male mammals and located under the penis. One testis is typically lower than the other to avoid compression in the event of impact. The perineal raphe is ..."
[18:42:35] <upstart> ^ 03Scrotum - Wikipedia
[18:43:06] <mrpg> To steal: kiped some cherries from the bar
[18:43:27] <mrpg> no, it says scrote
[18:43:30] <mrpg> #g scrote
[18:43:31] <MrPlow> https://www.urbandictionary.com - "noun- Literally short for scrotum. When a person, usually a male, is so useless and insignificant that they do not deserve the tiny effort it takes to spit out a second offensive syllable; less than a scrotum."
[18:43:32] <upstart> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: scrote
[18:43:39] <mrpg> aaaaah
[18:43:52] <Fnord666> :)
[18:44:19] <janrinok> What an educational discussion we are having this evening ...
[18:44:23] <Fnord666> lol
[18:44:36] <Fnord666> learn something new every day they said....
[18:44:46] <mrpg> It is for me, I'm learning English, for my next job interview at the embassy of the US :-)
[18:45:18] <Fnord666> I can see where scrotum would be helpful then
[18:45:40] <janrinok> prolly best you don't mention the site during that interview
[18:45:44] <janrinok> just sayin'
[18:45:57] <Fnord666> or scrotums
[18:46:09] <mrpg> Well, in actual fact, it is in my CV.
[18:46:19] <mrpg> Editor at soylentnews.org
[18:46:49] <janrinok> lol - I'm sure that they will be suitably impressed
[18:47:16] <mrpg> With the word "editor" yes, with the actual content yes, but not with the red color of the site :)
[18:47:39] <janrinok> the colour of the display is user selectable
[18:47:52] <mrpg> But they wont create an account first.
[18:47:57] <mrpg> I'm gonna do this one: https://soylentnews.org
[18:47:58] <upstart> ^ 03US Environmental policies driven by the bible. : SoylentNews Submission
[18:48:00] <exec> └─ 13US Environmental policies driven by the bible. : SoylentNews Submission
[18:48:16] <janrinok> well, that is their loss then, and probably yours when it comes to the job :)
[18:53:46] <mrpg> haha right
[18:57:38] <mrpg> #g lent
[18:57:38] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Lent (Latin: Quadragesima: Fortieth) is a solemn religious observance in the Christian liturgical calendar that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends approximately six weeks later, before Easter Sunday. The purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer for Easter through prayer, doing penance, mortifying the flesh, ..."
[18:57:39] <upstart> ^ 03Lent - Wikipedia
[18:58:00] <mrpg> #translate
[18:58:11] <mrpg> #help
[18:58:11] <MrPlow> Commands: help, weatheradd, weather, submit, seen, smake, smakeadd, youtube, abuser, bot, admin, socialist, roll, bnk, join, part, tell, klingon, g, sammich, sammichadd, say, pissoff, dieinafire, quit, nelson
[18:58:26] <mrpg> #socialist
[18:58:26] <MrPlow> Has half of a libertarian debate. #socialist <nick>
[18:58:55] <mrpg> #socialist bender
[18:58:55] <MrPlow> bender, you're a socialist!
[18:59:24] <janrinok> you having fun?
[19:00:06] <mrpg> not yet, Im trying to translate lent to Spanish.
[19:00:17] <mrpg> ¡Cuaresma! ok
[19:00:40] <janrinok> Lent the religious festival or lent as in I lent him a book?
[19:00:52] <mrpg> The religious one
[19:00:56] <janrinok> k
[19:06:35] <mrpg> Scott Pruitt Cited the Bible to Defend his Oil-friendly Policies - ready
[19:07:19] <mrpg> Now I'll do this " US State Legal Supremos Show Lots Of Love For Proposed Cloud Act "
[19:09:06] <janrinok> Well the Pruitt story should generate a bit of friction!
[19:10:35] <janrinok> you,ve got Trump, religion, global warming and science in the one story - Bingo!
[19:11:35] <mrpg> hehehe
[19:14:23] <mrpg> ...while ensuring that privacy and civil liberties are respected... hahahaha
[19:14:57] <mrpg> oh, stop it, you killing me attorney general!
[19:15:16] <Fnord666> welp, gotta run some errands before they day is completely gone.
[19:15:25] <Fnord666> I will talk to you all later.
[19:15:39] <Fnord666> Good seeing you janrinok. Give S a hug for me.
[19:15:55] <Fnord666> ttyl mrpg. Happy editing!
[19:16:03] <janrinok> Thanks I will, have a good one yourself
[19:16:10] <Fnord666> thanks.
[19:16:14] <mrpg> bye have fun thanks
[19:16:23] <janrinok> S sends a hug back
[19:16:51] <Fnord666> :)
[19:16:56] <janrinok> she is never sure if I am just making these names up ...
[19:17:41] <Fnord666> technically they are….
[19:17:52] <mrpg> U.S. law to Snoop on Citizens' Info Stored Abroad - ready
[19:19:38] <mrpg> How about this submission of blockchain near peak hype? are we fed up with blockchain stuff yet?
[19:24:25] <janrinok> no, go for it.
[19:28:44] <mrpg> ok
[19:33:21] <janrinok> gtg - it's that time again
[19:33:39] <janrinok> have a good one mrpg - hope to see you back on here soon
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[19:34:27] <mrpg> janrinok: thanks, good night, hope to see you later too.
[20:00:51] <mrpg> Blockchain Nears Peak Hype: UK Politicos To Probe Crypto-Coin - ready
[20:12:27] <mrpg> Enough. Bye good night
[20:12:37] <mrpg> ~gnight all
[20:12:39] * exec unwillingly reticulates The Cloud of toejam for all
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