#editorial | Logs for 2018-01-04
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[00:20:29] <Bytram> am making major update to https://soylentnews.org
[00:20:30] <upstart> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:20:31] <exec> └─ 13- SoylentNews User
[00:20:33] <Bytram> ugh
[00:20:52] <Bytram> to THIS story: https://soylentnews.org
[00:20:54] <exec> └─ 13Patch for Intel Speculative Execution Vulnerability Could Reduce Performance by 5 to 35% - SoylentNews
[00:20:54] <upstart> ^ 03Patch for Intel Speculative Execution Vulnerability Could Reduce Performance by 5 to 35% - SoylentNews
[00:49:55] * Bytram is still working on the update
[00:59:13] <Bytram> ~time x
[00:59:15] <exec> Thursday, 4 January 2018 @ 12:59 am UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
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[01:50:15] <takyon_> zzdfdf
[02:30:47] <Bytram> https://developer.arm.com
[02:30:48] <upstart> ^ 03Arm Processor Security Update – Arm Developer
[02:30:50] <exec> └─ 13Arm Processor Security Update – Arm Developer
[02:30:58] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[02:30:59] <upstart> ^ 03“Meltdown” and “Spectre”: Every modern processor has unfixable security flaws | Ars Technica
[02:31:01] <exec> └─ 13“Meltdown” and “Spectre”: Every modern processor has unfixable security flaws | Ars Technica
[02:31:16] <takyon_> so how bad is it for AMD users?
[02:32:41] <Bytram> meltdown Definitely affects intel procs, and some ARM ones.
[02:32:51] <Bytram> spectre seems to a ffect 8all* procs
[02:33:07] <Bytram> spectre seems to affect *all* procs
[02:33:40] <Bytram> meltdown fix has 5-30% perf hit, depending on how often one needs to pop into 9and out of) the kernel from userland
[02:33:56] <Bytram> AMD claims it is NOT vulnerable to meltdown
[02:34:18] <Bytram> AMD acknowleges vulnerabilites
[02:34:40] <takyon_> good to see intel is the only one getting a performance ding
[02:34:49] <takyon_> Intel now = AMD
[02:35:18] <Bytram> problem is, when rolling out the fix... some may not chek if on AMD box, and so needlessly impair perf on the AMD system.
[02:35:48] <Bytram> seems phoronix has some benchmarks
[02:36:12] <takyon_> yeah that would be quite terrible
[02:36:26] <Bytram> hears some info from ARM: https://armkeil.blob.core.windows.net
[02:59:29] <Bytram> .
[02:59:43] <Bytram> don't know if these are the ones I saw referred to earlier: https://www.phoronix.com
[02:59:44] <upstart> ^ 03Further Analyzing The Intel CPU "x86 PTI Issue" On More Systems - Phoronix ( https://www.phoronix.com )
[02:59:45] <exec> └─ 13Further Analyzing The Intel CPU "x86 PTI Issue" On More Systems - Phoronix
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[04:14:18] <Bytram> Fnord666: saw the submission queue was running a little rough; just submitted one in case you are looking for something easy to put in the queue
[04:19:48] <Bytram> .
[04:19:58] <Bytram> here's AMD's statement: https://www.amd.com
[04:19:59] <upstart> ^ 03An Update on AMD Processor Security | AMD
[04:20:05] <exec> └─ 13An Update on AMD Processor Security | AMD
[11:06:03] <Bytram> ~tell janrinock Wow! Only 10 more stories and you'll reach 3500 stories posted... !woop https://soylentnews.org
[11:06:06] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[11:20:48] <Bytram> ahhh, finally found 'em!
[11:20:50] <Bytram> https://www.kb.cert.org
[11:20:53] <upstart> ^ 03Vulnerability Note VU#584653 - CPU hardware vulnerable to side-channel attacks
[11:21:03] <Bytram> and the CVEs:
[11:21:05] <Bytram> http://web.nvd.nist.gov
[11:21:27] <Bytram> http://web.nvd.nist.gov
[11:21:35] <Bytram> http://web.nvd.nist.gov
[11:22:52] <Bytram> looks like all three are still embargoed???
[11:22:53] <Bytram> CVE ID Not Found
[11:22:54] <Bytram> A vulnerability has been identified, and possibly a CVE has been assigned, why is it not in your database?
[11:22:54] <Bytram> Although a CVE ID may have been assigned by either CVE or a CAN, it will not be available in the NVD if it has a status of RESERVED by CVE.
[11:22:54] <Bytram> Please check the CVE dictionary first, and if you have further questions about a specific CVE and when it will be available, please contact cve@mitre.org directly.
[11:22:56] <Bytram> Reference ID: NWVD-NDEx
[11:28:31] <Bytram> .
[11:28:41] <Bytram> add this to the list of relevant and readable stories:
[11:28:43] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[11:28:43] <upstart> ^ 03Meltdown, Spectre: The password theft bugs at the heart of Intel CPUs • The Register
[11:28:45] <exec> └─ 13Meltdown, Spectre: The password theft bugs at the heart of Intel CPUs • The Register
[11:28:45] <Bytram> .
[11:36:48] <Bytram> https://developer.arm.com
[11:36:50] <upstart> ^ 03Arm Processor Security Update – Arm Developer
[11:36:51] <exec> └─ 13Arm Processor Security Update – Arm Developer
[11:36:58] <Bytram> .
[11:36:59] <Bytram> https://developer.arm.com
[11:39:38] <Bytram> .
[11:39:46] <Bytram> oh, this one is a fun read!
[11:39:48] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[11:39:48] <upstart> ^ 03We translated Intel's crap attempt to spin its way out of CPU security bug PR nightmare • The Register
[11:39:50] <exec> └─ 13We translated Intel's crap attempt to spin its way out of CPU security bug PR nightmare • The Register
[12:24:00] <Bytram> .
[12:24:03] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[12:24:05] <upstart> ^ 03247,000 DHS Employees Affected by Data Breach | SecurityWeek.Com ( http://www.securityweek.com )
[12:24:06] <exec> └─ 13247,000 DHS Employees Affected by Data Breach | SecurityWeek.Com
[12:25:40] <Bytram> https://www.dhs.gov
[12:25:40] <upstart> ^ 03Privacy Incident Involving DHS OIG Case Management System | Homeland Security
[12:25:41] <exec> └─ 13Privacy Incident Involving DHS OIG Case Management System | Homeland Security
[15:01:05] <Bytram> .
[15:01:06] <Bytram> https://blog.mozilla.org
[15:01:06] <upstart> ^ 03Mitigations landing for new class of timing attack | Mozilla Security Blog
[15:01:09] <exec> └─ 13Mitigations landing for new class of timing attack | Mozilla Security Blog
[15:08:04] <Bytram> .
[15:08:06] <Bytram> whereto? https://apnews.com
[15:08:07] <upstart> ^ 03AP NewsBreak: US to end policy that let legal pot flourish
[15:08:08] <exec> └─ 13AP NewsBreak: US to end policy that let legal pot flourish
[15:13:21] <Bytram> .
[15:13:22] <Bytram> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com
[15:13:22] <upstart> ^ 03F**CKWIT, aka KAISER, aka KPTI – Intel CPU flaw needs low-level OS patches – Naked Security
[15:13:24] <exec> └─ 13F**CKWIT, aka KAISER, aka KPTI – Intel CPU flaw needs low-level OS patches – Naked Security
[15:17:45] <Bytram> https://lwn.net
[15:17:45] <upstart> ^ 03Notes from the Intelpocalypse [LWN.net]
[15:17:46] <exec> └─ 13Notes from the Intelpocalypse [LWN.net]
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[15:38:56] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[15:38:58] * exec illegitimately pisses a trunk of the chron on janrinok
[15:39:01] <cmn32480> yer on early today
[15:51:38] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[15:51:40] * exec cohesively formulates a pint of Hitler did nothing wrong for janrinok
[15:51:48] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[15:51:50] * exec presumably pits a safespace of potato salad against bytram
[15:51:55] <Bytram> he was on earlier... I saw him workng on stories, earlier
[15:52:01] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[15:52:03] * exec hurriedly formulates a volley of Hershey's cocoa for cmn32480
[15:52:09] <cmn32480> I saw same
[15:52:18] <cmn32480> maybe he connected and had to go handle lunch or somethintg
[15:52:23] <cmn32480> mmmmm lunch
[15:52:29] <Bytram> potatoe salad and cocoa -- I've heard of worse meals
[15:52:41] <Bytram> oh, yeah! Lunch!
[15:54:17] <janrinok> sry guys - nursey just arrived, gone now
[15:54:27] <janrinok> hi cmn32480 Bytram
[15:54:39] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[15:54:47] <janrinok> Bytram !!
[15:54:50] <Bytram> lol
[15:54:58] <Bytram> ~weather janrinok
[15:54:59] <exec> 10Paimpol, France - currently 53°F / 12°C, mostly cloudy, wind W at 19 mph, humidity 80% - Thursday showers (44°F:55°F / 7°C:13°C), Friday partly cloudy (39°F:50°F / 4°C:10°C), Saturday scattered showers (43°F:48°F / 6°C:9°C), Sunday rain (41°F:46°F / 5°C:8°C)
[15:55:22] * Bytram wishes for such weather, has not broken freezing for over a week's time
[15:55:40] <janrinok> unfortunately, we had a storm last night and a bit of water has pooled in one of the bedrooms. No idea where the leak is
[15:55:48] <Bytram> look up
[15:56:08] <janrinok> have had to call a roofing specialist to come and investigate - hopefully soon
[15:56:31] <Bytram> actually, leaks can be very tricky... where the water gains entry can be a ways from where it finally reveals itself on the inside
[15:57:16] <janrinok> construction of the house makes it difficult to access the likely areas, hence I'll pay for a professional to do it
[15:57:27] <Bytram> sounds like a good plan
[15:57:44] <janrinok> it's a plan at any rate.... whether it is good we will see
[15:58:02] <janrinok> Bytram, sent you an email, thx for yours
[15:58:24] * Bytram goes to look
[15:59:24] * Bytram wishes he had such a gift for writing -- very well done!
[16:00:01] <janrinok> well, didn't want to dissuade him
[16:00:14] <Bytram> nod nod -- I sent out a similar-ish email months ago
[16:01:01] <Bytram> I agree with your sentiments, and FYI, in a pinch I can restore rpivs on dev and prod, but might be best to keep that w/ TMB so one person is fully aware of the state of things.
[16:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i didn't take privs off dev
[16:01:19] <janrinok> yep, makes sense
[16:01:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:01:32] <janrinok> TMB, what you did was correct thx
[16:01:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[16:01:46] <Bytram> whould it need to be restored, what was his seclev on prod?
[16:02:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> 100
[16:02:20] <janrinok> if you are asking me then the answer is 4' 6"
[16:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> 100 + author in all sections, same as all non-senior eds.
[16:02:44] <Bytram> was what I thought, but wanted to make sure and to document it for future ref in need to restore his editor privs... sec lev 100 for charon it was
[16:02:53] <Bytram> got it, tnx!
[16:06:26] <Bytram> .
[16:06:27] <Bytram> https://www.forbes.com
[16:06:28] <upstart> ^ 03Here Are All The Available Fixes You Need For Those Huge Chip Hacks ( https://www.forbes.com )
[16:06:36] <Bytram> .
[16:06:56] * Bytram thinks of cmn32480 and hopes these processor issues are [mostly] non-impacting on his servers, systems, etc.
[16:07:20] <janrinok> I'm just watching this problem develop, I'm 95% AMD here but something will turn up to bite me
[16:08:04] <janrinok> I've got 3 rasp Pi, but they are none critical and hold no sensitive data
[16:09:03] <Bytram> so you'll be safe from Meltdown (Intel-specific), but apparently no vendor that has speculative execution is safe from Spectre. :(
[16:11:03] <janrinok> well my 3xPi are vulnerable, but otherwise I'll just keep my head down
[16:11:23] <Bytram> won't that make it hard to find your leak? ;)
[16:11:45] <janrinok> No, I can watch the professional from a lying position
[16:12:07] <Bytram> lol
[16:12:34] * Bytram wonders if janrinok is lying, now?
[16:12:47] <Bytram> (pun, intended)
[16:12:58] <janrinok> I've got various operational computers and radio receivers in the loft space, but I think/hope that they are safe from the leak. But if it all goes dark and quiet I assume that they are not
[16:13:29] * Bytram rummages around for a tarpaulin
[16:13:49] <janrinok> I you think I'm going up a ladder onto the roof in this wind you can think again
[16:14:17] * Bytram thinks
[16:14:26] <janrinok> thats a first
[16:14:38] <Bytram> two shay!
[16:14:48] <janrinok> perhaps I should submit it as a special event story
[16:14:55] <janrinok> :)))
[16:15:00] <Bytram> I thought you said it was in the loft space... do you have to go on top of the roof in order to access it?
[16:15:15] * Bytram looks around for a sawzall
[16:15:48] <janrinok> well, the tarp would be better stopping the water from entering rather than just covering the electronics that might end up sitting in a pool of water
[16:16:13] <Bytram> oh, ok
[16:16:44] <janrinok> if the ceiling comes down because of the water, I suspect the kit will be following shortly
[16:17:24] <Bytram> that would be a big oooops!
[16:18:00] <janrinok> should make for an interesting spectacle for a few moments ...
[16:18:06] <Bytram> now this is what I'd call a *nap* https://singularityhub.com
[16:18:07] <upstart> ^ 03This Unbelievable Research on Human Hibernation Could Get Us to Mars
[16:18:10] <exec> └─ 13This Unbelievable Research on Human Hibernation Could Get Us to Mars
[16:18:37] <cmn32480> what??? you fell inot a lens grinder and made a spectacle of yourself?
[16:19:18] <cmn32480> make sure if you get on the roof S has the video camera handy for "insurance purposes"
[16:19:40] <Bytram> #g song up on the roof
[16:19:41] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org(song) - "\"Up on the Roof\" is a song written by Gerry Goffin and Carole King and recorded in 1962 by The Drifters: released late that year, the disc became a major hit in early 1963, reaching number 5 on the U.S. pop singles chart and number 4 on the U.S. R&B singles chart. In the UK it was a top ten success for singer Kenny Lynch, ..."
[16:20:31] <janrinok> If I had a voice I would be singing along - I'll try to cough to the same rhythm as the song
[16:20:47] * Bytram sniffles in unison
[16:20:49] <Bytram> colds--
[16:20:50] <Bender> karma - colds: -3
[16:21:13] <janrinok> cmn32480, you say hello, disappear for ages and then just pop in with random comments - good to see you buddy
[16:21:48] <janrinok> ... and it's pizza night. no cooking for me tonight
[16:21:54] <Bytram> oh, while I'm here, please give my best to S!
[16:22:10] <Bytram> what toppings do you plan to get?
[16:22:17] <janrinok> PiL left about 10 this morning. Other than the leak we have had a quiet day
[16:22:25] * Bytram likes hawaiian -- chicken & pinappple
[16:22:36] <Bytram> quiet is very good
[16:22:39] <cmn32480> mmmmm quiet day...
[16:22:56] <janrinok> Bytram, done. My pizza is a vulcano, chillies, chorizo, anything that sets fire to my mouth basically
[16:22:58] <cmn32480> some of us are workgin for a living
[16:23:12] <janrinok> let me know if you see one who fits the bill, cmn
[16:23:12] <cmn32480> I cna't help that people keep popping in my office
[16:23:26] <cmn32480> it is becomgin quite the mess cleaning up all the people pieces!
[16:23:28] * Bytram has been fighting a cold for a few days... so looked forward to having yesterday off after a six-day stretch, and then got a call from work -- seems I misread my scheduled and I was supposed to work yesterday.
[16:23:35] <janrinok> lock your door ?
[16:24:01] * Bytram figured with how he was feeling, was best to use his last paid-day-off and stay home... am off today and tomorrow, too.
[16:24:05] <janrinok> Bytram, so did you have to go in or did they just rejig your time off?
[16:24:13] <janrinok> ninja'd
[16:24:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:24:31] * Bytram can't remember the last time he had 3-days-off in a row
[16:24:37] <cmn32480> if I lock the door I'll ahve to hope they don't ahve blasters
[16:24:47] <Bytram> major nor'easter coming through today
[16:24:51] <cmn32480> and there is a glass inset... they will be able to see me giving them the finger
[16:24:52] <janrinok> memory going now, eh? Sign of old age creeping up
[16:25:09] <cmn32480> janrinok used to know
[16:25:12] <janrinok> cmn32480, sounds perfect
[16:25:15] <cmn32480> but he forgot
[16:25:35] <Bytram> From what I've read, I should not drink, I should not smoke, and I should not carouse with women... I've decided to give up reading.
[16:25:38] <janrinok> at my age the fact I can type without wetting myself is seen as a plus
[16:25:52] <Bytram> hten you really better get that roof fixed asap!
[16:26:09] <cmn32480> seeing as you can't talk.. typing is porbably far better than carrying a white board adn dry erase marker
[16:26:14] * Bytram misses the friendly banter
[16:26:25] <janrinok> we have a layer of concrete between the ground floor and the bedrooms. If it comes through that we are all dead
[16:26:27] <cmn32480> adn it's a lot easier for us to see
[16:26:30] <Bytram> or slate, chalk, and cloth
[16:26:49] <janrinok> ah, remembers school
[16:27:00] <janrinok> not that I went too often
[16:27:03] * Bytram remembers, too
[16:27:05] * cmn32480 can't understand how bytram is missing the friendly banter.. he is rather in the middle of it... perhaps it is his old guy memory
[16:27:36] <Bytram> hard to concentrate when sinuses feel like they want to expand to the size of grapefruits
[16:27:50] <cmn32480> smash your finger with a hammer
[16:27:55] * Bytram and push one's cheeks past the eye sockets
[16:27:56] <cmn32480> it'll make you forget your sinuses
[16:28:10] <Bytram> also makes it harder to type
[16:28:13] <janrinok> try a hot bath and a drink of honey and lemon - it doesn't help but it will pass an hour or so
[16:28:48] <Bytram> well, I've gotten some temprary relief from chili & rice, augmented with several hearty shakes of additional chili powder
[16:28:59] * Bytram thinks he should make up some now... back in a few minutes
[16:29:00] <janrinok> or a hot lemon bath and smear the honey all over
[16:29:07] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[16:29:24] <Bytram> tell S that you want to do that!
[16:29:29] <janrinok> it doesn't work either but is more fun for others to watch
[16:29:39] <Bytram> if that don't get a giggle, nothing would
[16:29:46] <Bytram> lol
[16:29:59] <janrinok> S is busy watching a film that she has recorded - I disturb her at my peril until I return with pizzas
[16:30:06] <Bytram> be sure to empty a feather pillow while you are at it, right?
[16:30:07] * cmn32480 releases the bear cubs in Bytrams apartment
[16:30:17] <Bytram> ursa major or minor
[16:30:26] <Bytram> #g pooh
[16:30:27] <MrPlow> https://www.merriam-webster.com - "Define pooh: —used to express contempt or disapproval."
[16:30:36] <Bytram> huh?
[16:30:40] <janrinok> ursa andress, wasn't she in a Bond film?
[16:30:45] <Bytram> #g winney the pooh
[16:30:45] <MrPlow> http://winniethepooh.disney.com - "Visit the official Winnie the Pooh website to watch videos, play games, find activities, discover movies, browse photos, shop for merchandise and more!"
[16:30:51] <cmn32480> if I release a pooh in bytrams apartment... the sewage authority might come a knockin'
[16:30:55] <Bytram> #g andress bond
[16:30:56] <MrPlow> https://www.mansionglobal.com - "Dec 27, 2017 ... The long-time home of 1960s “Bond girl” Ursula Andress is back on the market for nearly $3 million after getting a facelift from a local interior designer. Decorator and interior architect Malgosia Migdal bought Ms. Andress's Beverly Hills house for $2.28 million in March, according to property records. Despite ..."
[16:31:20] <Bytram> #g ursula andress
[16:31:21] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Ursula Andress (born 19 March 1936) is a Swiss film and television actress, former model and sex symbol, who has appeared in American, British and Italian films. She is best known for her breakthrough role as Bond girl Honey Ryder in the first James Bond film, Dr. No. She later starred as Vesper Lynd in the James Bond ..."
[16:31:35] <janrinok> I remember the excitement when that film was released - oh, how revealing and explicit it was claimed to be
[16:32:17] <janrinok> now, every schoolgirl releases a video showing far more on her facecrap page
[16:33:00] <janrinok> TMB is finding all the best stories over on Soylent ...
[16:33:04] <Bytram> https://upload.wikimedia.org
[16:33:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'troo. RT is really making me laugh today.
[16:38:28] <janrinok> got to go pizza hunting - hopefully back on later
[16:38:36] * janrinok is lurking
[16:39:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: liked your links -- thanks for the laughs
[16:39:49] <Bytram> and I really am now going to make some lunch... back in a bit
[16:40:54] * cmn32480 kicks his exchange server
[17:17:29] <Bytram> .
[17:17:30] <Bytram> https://www.phoronix.com
[17:17:31] <upstart> ^ 03VM Performance Showing Mixed Impact With Linux 4.15 KPTI Patches - Phoronix
[17:17:32] <exec> └─ 13VM Performance Showing Mixed Impact With Linux 4.15 KPTI Patches - Phoronix
[17:20:00] <Bytram> .
[17:23:41] * cmn32480 wonders what tools janrinok uses for his pizza hunting...
[17:23:59] * cmn32480 thinks a shotgun might cause un needed damage to the crust.
[17:25:32] * Bytram suggests a taser -- for an extra crispy crust
[17:31:32] <cmn32480> shocking suggestion
[17:32:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> live trap. so you can hear their screams when you dismember them.
[17:33:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh shit, we're bout out of stories. two left in the queue.
[17:34:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> get to work, slackers! i got an important nap to take.
[18:14:19] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[18:14:20] <upstart> ^ 03TSA unveils weirdest checkpoint finds of 2017 - CNET ( https://www.cnet.com )
[18:14:21] <exec> └─ 13TSA unveils weirdest checkpoint finds of 2017 - CNET
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[18:22:47] * janrinok is back
[18:35:08] * janrinok decides Bytram is having lunch or a nap, cmn32480 is pretending to work, and I'm full of pizza and red wine
[18:36:33] * Bytram just finished his lunch and the dishes
[18:36:41] * Bytram needs a nap
[18:38:50] * janrinok thinks that a 50% hit rate so far is not bad
[18:39:55] <Bytram> well, that is also a 50% miss rate, but I prefer your viewpoint by a large margin
[18:40:24] <janrinok> fair enough
[18:40:49] <janrinok> and it isn't a miss, cmn32480's actions are, as yet, unconfirmed
[18:41:37] * janrinok decides that all we know so far is that cmn32480 is NOT working, but may be pretending to do so
[18:42:13] * Bytram is so confused... so, cmn32480 is pretending to be not working?
[18:42:47] * janrinok believes that Bytram is easily confused, decides not to try to sell him a bridge at this point though
[18:42:59] <Bytram> #g a bridge too far
[18:42:59] <MrPlow> http://www.imdb.com - "Drama · Operation Market Garden, September 1944: The Allies attempt to capture several strategically important bridges in the Netherlands in the hope of breaking the German lines. However, mismanagement and poor planning result in its failure."
[18:43:39] <janrinok> ah, that is war. There has never been a well-managed war, well, not intentionally well managed
[18:44:04] * Bytram doubts they were intentionally mis-managed
[18:44:07] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[18:44:07] <upstart> ^ 03As of today, no US airlines operate the mighty Boeing 747 | Ars Technica ( https://arstechnica.com )
[18:44:10] <exec> └─ 13As of today, no US airlines operate the mighty Boeing 747 | Ars Technica
[18:45:01] <janrinok> Bytram, are you typing this from your bedside - I thought you needed a nap?
[18:45:33] * Bytram fondly remembers flying in a 747 that was nearly empty... may 40-50 people, tops. Was being returned back to US for a (presumably) full load back to the carribean. Was enough room in there to flip up all the arm rests in the middle aisle and one could lie back and sleep across all five seats
[18:45:51] <Bytram> neighbor is enjoying his 'music' a little too loudly to permit sleep atm
[18:46:22] <janrinok> they were the days, not seen an empty aircraft like that for many years. Nobody can afford to fly aircraft empty
[18:46:44] <Bytram> unless they need to dead-head it back to another location to pick up a full load
[18:47:10] <Bytram> if you are gonna need to get it there, might as well sell some fares on it to reduce the cost.
[18:47:17] <janrinok> I've seen airlines go via nosuchplace to make sure that they had somebody on board
[18:48:26] <Bytram> #g nosuchplace
[18:48:26] <MrPlow> http://nosuchplace68.com - "Our classic, mid-century venue is located in the heart of Covent Garden and was designed to offer a timeless event space perfect for a range of occasions, parties, meetings and events. With the ability for guests to play their own music, complimentary wifi and your very own team working with you to make sure your event is ..."
[18:48:44] <Bytram> lol!
[18:48:56] <Bytram> for later reference: https://lwn.net
[18:48:57] <upstart> ^ 03Notes from the Intelpocalypse [LWN.net]
[18:48:58] <exec> └─ 13Notes from the Intelpocalypse [LWN.net]
[18:49:03] <janrinok> its a bugger trying to land in Covent Garden... Keep hitting the buskers and in-crowd
[18:49:17] <Bytram> and your point is? ;)
[18:49:36] <Bytram> here's another one... javascript needs to be enabled. :/ https://www.forbes.com
[18:49:36] <upstart> ^ 03Here Are All The Available Fixes You Need For Those Huge Chip Hacks ( https://www.forbes.com )
[18:49:47] <janrinok> the 747 probably goes somewhere else to pick up passengers. Everything that I have read is a lie!
[18:50:03] <Bytram> there you go lieing down again
[18:50:26] <janrinok> now that is a spelling of lying that I haven't seen before
[18:50:29] * janrinok takes notes
[18:50:37] <Bytram> tra la la la la!
[18:51:04] <janrinok> to be polite I will assume that it is a usasian thing
[18:53:23] <janrinok> Bytram, that link also requires me to deselect adblock - sry, I will do no such thing
[18:54:23] <Bytram> understood.
[18:54:53] <Bytram> needed to temp suspend block on forbesimg and forbes.com and then it worked okay.
[18:55:17] <Bytram> I only do such things on occasion, but otherwise leave my "shields up"
[18:55:28] <Bytram> noscript++
[18:55:28] <Bender> karma - noscript: 1
[18:55:30] <janrinok> understandable
[18:55:53] <Bytram> the things I'll do for the community
[18:55:58] <janrinok> I sometimes have to do the same when I am editing, but I use a different machine then
[18:56:09] <Bytram> da
[18:56:31] <janrinok> oltlichno, tovarishch
[18:56:44] <Bytram> roflmao!
[18:57:02] * Bytram was wondering if you wold run with that! Speceba!
[18:57:13] * Bytram waits for the polite spelling correction
[18:57:21] * janrinok can't translate roflmao into Russian, needs to get the books out sometime
[18:57:39] <janrinok> spasibo
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[18:57:54] <Bytram> you're welcome!
[18:57:57] <janrinok> although your spelling is the correct pronounciation
[18:58:03] <Bytram> !woop
[18:58:03] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[18:58:15] <Bytram> pajalsta?
[18:58:42] <janrinok> pozhalyujista - I suppose
[18:58:55] <Bytram> oi! wasn't even close
[18:59:03] <janrinok> again, pronunciation is good
[18:59:26] <janrinok> its one of those words that gets have swallowed when said
[18:59:43] <janrinok> *half swallowed
[19:00:08] <Bytram> Пожалуйста, pronounced pa-ZHA-lusta
[19:00:13] * cmn32480 came in at the wrong point in this conversation
[19:00:20] <Bytram> nyet!
[19:00:40] <janrinok> Russian words that sound as though they end in -ovo are actually spelled as -ogo
[19:01:07] <janrinok> dobrij vecher cmn32480
[19:01:13] <Bytram> so, to complete JR's prediction, and to take advantage of the momentary pause in neighbor's 'music', I think I will attempt a nap.
[19:01:17] <cmn32480> I don't speak French
[19:01:24] <Bytram> dobrij utero
[19:01:33] <Bytram> dobre dan
[19:01:37] <janrinok> so, I learned today, neither do I
[19:01:38] <Bytram> dobrij dan
[19:01:59] <janrinok> dobri dyen, dobrojo utro
[19:02:16] <Bytram> ja la blue tabien
[19:02:22] <Bytram> =)
[19:02:28] <janrinok> although if you were speaking yugoslavian you would be much closer
[19:02:40] * Bytram was attempting croatian
[19:03:11] <Bytram> hwalla!
[19:03:24] <Bytram> and, I really need to get some shut-eye... laters!
[19:03:57] <Bytram> janrinok: so very good to 'see' you and chat -- hope this becomes a more frequent occurence signifying things have settled down on your end, too.
[19:04:09] <Bytram> ciao for now!
[19:04:38] <janrinok> sleep well, mon ami
[19:05:24] <janrinok> cmn32480, I had to have a French lesson on pronunciation from the Pizza Lady before she would serve me...
[19:05:41] <cmn32480> sounds like the french
[19:05:53] <janrinok> 11 years we have been going to her and then she pulls that one on me
[19:06:31] <cmn32480> you likely deserved it or spoke in English... or God forbid, looked like an American
[19:06:34] <janrinok> I'm going to pee on her oven when she is not looking (and after I have been served of course)
[19:07:24] <cmn32480> but not before you get served next week
[19:07:29] <janrinok> no-one can imitate looking like an American except a handful of comedians and every bloody American
[19:08:13] <cmn32480> we are rather good at that
[19:08:45] <janrinok> years of practice
[19:09:10] <cmn32480> more likely dumb luck
[19:09:33] <janrinok> years of practice
[19:09:51] <cmn32480> at having dumb luck?
[19:10:07] <janrinok> yup
[19:10:38] <cmn32480> no argument here.
[19:11:42] <janrinok> you still up to your armpits in snow?
[19:12:39] <cmn32480> nah...
[19:12:43] <cmn32480> we got a couple inches
[19:12:50] <cmn32480> bytram is gonna get dumped on
[19:12:57] <janrinok> so she said, but how much snow have you got?
[19:13:45] <janrinok> weather not looking so good for the next few days then?
[19:14:45] <cmn32480> for me it will only be cold
[19:15:00] <janrinok> a weekend at home, though?
[19:15:02] <cmn32480> snow si supposed to stop this afternoon... 'bout 10cm total'
[19:15:30] <cmn32480> bytram is supposed to get a crapton (or whatever that converts to in metric)
[19:15:40] <janrinok> craptonne I think
[19:15:47] <cmn32480> ahhh of course
[19:16:01] <janrinok> but it will certainly divide by 10
[19:16:31] <cmn32480> taht'd be a craptenne, woudln't it?
[19:17:07] <janrinok> probably, but we would pronounce it completely differently to confuse foreigners
[19:17:15] <cmn32480> touche
[19:17:32] <cmn32480> or... translated to American... butt
[19:19:06] <janrinok> prolly, but we wud say it with an accent y'all
[19:19:53] <cmn32480> the BRitish guy living in France is implying that the Americans talk funny...
[19:20:25] <janrinok> now that you mention it - the French do speak a little weird
[19:21:26] <cmn32480> might be in the ears of the beer holder
[19:21:52] <janrinok> but I've been drinking red wine tonight
[19:22:36] <cmn32480> any cheese with that?
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[19:23:26] <janrinok> yes, St Agur, some Camembert, and a piece of goats' cheese - all genuinely eaten tonight
[19:24:27] <cmn32480> oooo very nice
[19:24:30] <cmn32480> was that on the pizza?
[19:25:04] <janrinok> no, I was trying to finish of the cheese board now that my PiL have gone. But i failed, so I will try again tomorrow evening
[19:25:42] <cmn32480> m,ust be rough
[19:25:50] <cmn32480> but I know you can do it
[19:26:00] <janrinok> it can be very tough, but we force ourselves to carry on
[19:26:07] <cmn32480> with adequate training and some hard work... and crackers... you'll make it happen!
[19:26:34] <janrinok> crusty french bread for the win
[19:27:00] <cmn32480> same idea
[19:27:32] <cmn32480> just make sure you baguette when you are done so it don't go stale
[19:27:37] <janrinok> I was given a food hamper by the locals for my 'contribution to the community' at Christmas. There was a lovely bottle of Bordeaux that I had to finish off too
[19:28:01] <cmn32480> you mean that you landed at D-Day?
[19:28:45] <janrinok> I think that my contribution was 'staying indoors out of the way most of the time', but it might also have been for 'not frightening the tourists'
[19:29:24] <cmn32480> or perhaps it was FOR frightening the tourists
[19:29:45] <janrinok> I was, of course, too old for D day, I first came here on B Day and tried again on C Day.
[19:31:56] <cmn32480> betcha there was a lot less shooting those days
[19:32:14] <janrinok> yep, and those muskets were very inaccurate
[19:32:59] <cmn32480> good thing!
[19:33:09] <cmn32480> it was the pointy swords you had to watch out for
[19:34:43] <janrinok> well, the blunty swords were not much of a problem but, as you point out (no pun intended, honest) the pointy ones could play hell in the Trussocks
[19:35:11] <janrinok> Look the last one up in Google if you are not sure
[19:36:00] <janrinok> Trussochs is the correct spelling
[19:40:04] <cmn32480> if you stay on your feet your true socks shoudln't have a problem, unless the elastic is weak, then tehy will fall around your ankles
[19:41:16] <janrinok> This is where we get into a confused conversation regarding garters, suspenders, hold-ups etc which mean entirely different things on either side of the Atlantic
[19:43:23] <cmn32480> yes...
[19:43:45] <cmn32480> but you shouldn't really know much about them (as I don't) given that most of them are thigns worn by ladies
[19:44:53] <janrinok> so a friend told you that they are things worn by ladies? Perhaps that's why the French want me to stay indoors
[19:45:37] <cmn32480> I dind't say I didn't enjoy it... just that they ought ot be worn in private
[19:45:51] <janrinok> that's no fun at all!
[19:46:07] <cmn32480> makes me feel sexy
[19:46:28] * janrinok notes the he has a photo of cmn32480 wearing a skirt
[19:46:51] <cmn32480> it was a kilt
[19:47:16] <janrinok> kilt / skirt whatever. And you don't deny it...
[19:47:44] <cmn32480> also note that I had mltiple beers in my hands
[19:48:16] <janrinok> I suspect that lots of cross-dressers drink beer
[19:48:33] <cmn32480> I wasn't dressed like Jesus...
[19:48:41] <cmn32480> that'd make me a cross dresser
[19:48:46] <janrinok> he would have been too ashamed
[19:49:11] <cmn32480> dunno.. he seems to have been pretty forgiving
[19:49:20] <janrinok> and you didn't need to explain your joke - I just can't type fast when I am laughing. Unlike yourself, who can't type...
[19:49:35] <cmn32480> ever
[19:50:39] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go - S is ready to go to sleep now. Give my best to J, spend some time with the kids, and have a good Friday
[19:51:23] <cmn32480> my best to S
[19:51:30] <cmn32480> a big wet sloppy kiss ofr her
[19:51:35] <cmn32480> and a pat on the head for you
[19:51:45] <cmn32480> enjoy the quiet
[19:51:49] <janrinok> cu tomorrow - I will reluctantly pass on the sloppy kiss
[19:52:09] <cmn32480> I'll bet
[19:52:13] <cmn32480> but she'll like it
[19:52:18] <janrinok> of course
[19:52:27] <cmn32480> swet dreams janrinok
[19:52:44] <janrinok> oh, I'll dream of swet then
[19:52:58] <janrinok> bye
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[21:31:23] <Bytram> .
[21:31:31] <Bytram> more for the fire: https://security.googleblog.com
[21:31:32] <upstart> ^ 03Google Online Security Blog: More details about mitigations for the CPU Speculative Execution issue
[21:31:33] <exec> └─ 13Google Online Security Blog: More details about mitigations for the CPU Speculative Execution issue