#editorial | Logs for 2017-08-26

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[00:00:26] * Bytram takes a look at Harvey: https://earth.nullschool.net
[00:00:50] <Deucalion> There will be no shit when dining on cloud food, there will also be no more sorrow, no pain, no loss, no hardship, no animosity, no internecine rivalry, just immaculate perfection. Of course that means an end to humanity but that's a small sacrifice right? Can't have imperfection muddying the waters as charming as it is with it's foibles :C
[00:02:01] * Deucalion fears the plot may have been lost
[00:04:07] * Bytram takes a different look at Harvey: https://earth.nullschool.net
[00:04:43] <Bytram> 9 meter waves @ 11.7 second spacing
[00:05:16] <Bytram> that's close to the height of a 3-story (flat-topped0 building
[00:56:39] <Bytram> am spacing stories at 111-minute intervals
[01:43:21] <takyon> hey TheMightyBuzzard
[01:43:25] <takyon> I found a legitimate bug
[01:43:27] <takyon> https://github.com
[01:43:28] <upstart> ^ 03Comments with no subject on journal entries · Issue #402 · SoylentNews/rehash · GitHub
[01:44:03] <chromas> was that my comment? :D
[01:44:21] <takyon> Yeah it was :((((((
[01:44:28] <chromas> special character
[01:44:31] <takyon> one sec
[01:44:37] <chromas> it's like a zero-width space or something
[01:44:48] * chromas has used it in a few comments
[01:45:33] <takyon> asswipe! http://puu.sh
[01:45:57] <takyon> I'll update the bug report. Even if it is a crazy unicode space it still ought to be clickable
[01:46:20] <chromas> I ran into that too awhile back, when someone replied :)
[01:47:52] <takyon> updated bug title and description
[01:47:56] <takyon> thanks
[01:48:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, neat.
[01:48:45] * TheMightyBuzzard slaps a reminder to kick chromas in the balls before fixing that bug.
[01:48:57] <takyon> it won't work, he has zero-width balls
[01:49:05] <chromas> Bender: grab takyon
[01:49:05] <Bender> Added quote 70
[01:49:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon++
[01:49:28] <Bender> karma - takyon: 60
[01:51:27] <Bytram> takyon++ Nice catch!
[01:51:27] <Bender> karma - takyon: 61
[01:52:42] <takyon> I think I need to turn off my +1s for friends, fans, new users, etc... it makes no sense for me since I already browse at -1 with all comments expanded, so it only confuses me when modding comments (since a new user that I have as friend and fan starts at 5 already).
[01:53:03] <Bytram> Very easy to generate a comment title containing what seems to be nothing: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:53:04] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[01:53:52] * Bytram has no +/- modifiers on comments... sees everything directly as shown by system... couldn't keep track of actual score otherwise!
[01:54:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, yeah, don't bytram it and confuse yourself with your own settings.
[01:54:18] <Bytram> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[01:54:18] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with five across the eyes
[01:54:21] <takyon> I mean, the nothingness of the subject might not be the problem so much as the comment not being clickable in at least one context
[01:54:41] <takyon> although putting a space character in the subject goes against the Lameness Filter
[01:54:50] <Bytram> didn't stop me =)
[01:54:55] <takyon> "Filter error: Please enter a Subject.
[01:54:56] <takyon> "
[01:54:59] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles at how long he had to troubleshoot Bytram trying to moderate comments from the same ip
[01:55:04] <takyon> I mean, goes against the SPIRIT of the lameness filter
[01:55:52] <Bytram> well, I used the following text, and ONLY the following text in the subject field of: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:55:53] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[01:55:55] <Bytram> &nbsp;
[01:55:58] <Bytram> and that was it.
[01:57:16] <Bytram> lameness filter caught me when the subject contained a single space character "Filter error: One character. Hmmm. Gee, might this be a troll?"
[01:58:45] <Bytram> tried typing 8 space chars for the subject and lameness filter gave me: "Filter error: Lots of space in the subject ... lots of space in the head. "
[01:59:43] <Bytram> But.. I *WAS* able to submit a comment whose subject was 4 space characters: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:59:44] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:06:37] <Bytram> This might be of use, too: http://www.fileformat.info
[02:06:38] <upstart> ^ 03Unicode Characters in the 'Separator, Space' Category
[02:07:01] <Bytram> there's 17 of them listed there
[02:07:52] <Bytram> but... the 3rd one listed, OGHAM SPACE MARK, has a visible character in my browser: " "
[02:20:04] <takyon> ask chromas what his actual subject was
[02:20:10] <takyon> he implied it was 1 char but idk
[02:20:31] <chromas> it's two I guess. Probably for lameness filter
[02:21:01] <chromas> if I copy/paste it back into the character map it doesn't find it (it autocompletes in firefox)
[02:21:15] <chromas> the bytes are 80e2 e28b 8b80
[02:24:45] <Bytram> Here are all of the unicode space characters, each separated from the next with a single octothorpe '#' char: # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #　
[02:26:59] <chromas> oh I figured it out. unicode is dum
[02:27:23] <Bytram> chromas: that's strange, for me, 0x80e2 is: 胢
[02:27:54] <chromas> yeah but is that the byte values or the unicode codepoint?
[02:28:11] <Bytram> code point.
[02:28:48] <chromas> Zero-width space (0x200B); Break permitted here (0x0082); Zero width no-break space (0xFEFF)
[02:29:01] <Bytram> beware of the difference between UNICODE code point, and UTF-8 (Unicode Transfer Format - 8 bit) which is a means to *transmit* unicode chars
[02:29:08] <chromas> Gotta have the variety to duck the filter
[02:29:22] <Bytram> you want variety? Hold on...
[02:29:24] <chromas> Right. The values I was giving were the actual byte values
[02:29:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:29:39] <chromas> only enough variety to duck the filter and have an apparently empty subject
[02:30:08] <Bytram> here are the unicode code points for all Unicode characters in the 'separator, space' category: U+0020 U+00A0 U+1680 U+2000 U+2001 U+2002 U+2003 U+2004 U+2005 U+2006 U+2007 U+2008 U+2009 U+200A U+202F U+205F U+3000
[02:30:23] <Bytram> 4 spaces, type from the keyboard worked for me.
[02:30:35] <Bytram> chromas: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:30:36] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:30:53] <chromas> oh it works for comments too
[02:30:59] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[02:31:00] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Boy Scouts Accused of "Covert Campaign to Recruit Girls" ( https://soylentnews.org )
[02:31:10] <chromas> probably should've tested it on dev instead
[02:31:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake chromas
[02:31:24] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a regex
[02:31:29] <Bytram> and, here's one which used just 3 spaces as the subject: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:31:30] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:32:05] <Bytram> !woop
[02:32:05] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[02:32:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm goin to bed. don't break prod.
[02:32:15] <chromas> wink
[02:32:37] <Bytram> and here's one with just TWO spaces, typed from the keyboard, for the subject: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:32:38] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:32:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: have a good night's sleep!
[02:37:06] <Bytram> chromas: this one is even more fun: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:37:07] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:41:23] <Bytram> and another of the same ilk: &#x2006;&#x2007;&#x2008;&#x2009;&#x200A;
[02:41:34] <Bytram> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:41:34] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN Comments | 20170502b - Submission to "Main Page" for testing new "user's submissions" page ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[02:44:05] <chromas> Submission filter is a little more strict :'(
[02:46:45] <Bytram> Yup, I added a few things to it. =)
[02:47:23] <Bytram> no, wait... I've added filters to *comments*... I don't recall adding anything explicity for submissions.
[02:48:36] <chromas> oh, herp. it's just complaining because I didn't select a topic
[02:48:45] <Bytram> ROFL!
[02:48:48] * chromas submits to dev
[02:49:06] <Bytram> Sounds like something *I* have done... and, sadly, not just once
[02:50:06] <chromas> I remembered it was important but when I looked I thought it was on some default (useful) value
[02:51:03] <Bytram> that seems like it would make sense, but having a default subject is like having a category 'misc' -- eventually 90% of everything ends up there. :(
[02:51:13] <Bytram> better to force me to make an explicit selection
[02:52:22] <chromas> Nah, use javascript to pick a topic based on running the text through bogofilter with a dataset for each topic. whichever one has the highest percentage gets selected :D
[02:53:07] <Bytram> too late and I'm too tired to follow that one, but first thought makes it sounds like a local max is found... and stays selected?
[02:53:41] <Bytram> heh... think I've got it figured out... biab
[02:55:21] <chromas> It put a "http://" into the special char-filled field during preview. I tried doing it again but it doesn't show up. Not sure if because dupe or it's slow
[03:01:24] * Bytram just created a comment filter on dev with Regex: ^(?:\s*)$ and with Field: postersubj and with Error message: Did you space out? Please use some non-space characters in the subject.
[03:01:59] <Bytram> if it works as intended, it should no longer possible to submit a comment whose title contains ONLY spaces
[03:04:14] <Bytram> !woop
[03:04:14] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[03:04:24] <Bytram> caught a try with 4 spaces type from kbd
[03:04:32] <Bytram> s/type/typed/
[03:04:33] <exec> <Bytram> caught a try with 4 spaces typed from kbd
[03:06:33] <Bytram> but, it failed to catch: &nbsp;&nbsp;
[03:07:47] <Bytram> backing up.... 10 space chars, 7 space chars, and 5 space chars (each typed from the keyboard) were all caught.
[03:07:48] <chromas> Needs to also check it post-entity conversion
[03:07:59] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:08:24] <Bytram> was trying to see what perl caught with it's /s meta-char for matching a 'space'
[03:09:00] <Bytram> For future reference, on dev, this is the filter I created: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[03:09:01] <upstart> ^ 03- Dev.SN User ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[03:09:11] <Bytram> and, with that, I really need to get some shuteye...
[03:10:47] <Bytram> hmmm,
[03:10:49] <Bytram> whereto? http://bit.ly
[03:10:51] <upstart> ^ 03Amy Allen – “Whatcha Do” | IndieCurrent ( http://indiecurrent.com )
[03:12:43] <chromas> hehe, it doesn't cover my blank comments on there :D
[03:13:47] <Bytram> it's a start... really need some sleep atm... will try again later.
[03:13:55] <Bytram> laters!
[03:13:58] <chromas> g'noight
[03:14:24] <Bytram> thanks a bunch for the fun with the new bug! Got my creative juices flowing... that's for sure!
[03:14:32] <Bytram> ciao for now!
[03:14:41] * chromas will have to find a new way to get empty subjects
[12:22:21] <Bytram> have seen this mentioned in another #rss-bot feed's headline... don't know if we ran this story yet? http://threatpost.com
[12:22:22] <upstart> ^ 03Race is On To Notify Owners After Public List of IoT Device Credentials Published | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ( https://threatpost.com )
[12:41:30] <Bytram> pushed out a couple stories... really gtg -- time for work.
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[22:03:06] <Bytram> http://www.zdnet.com
[22:03:06] <upstart> ^ 03Despite privacy outrage, AccuWeather still shares precise location data with ad firms | ZDNet
[22:03:36] <Bytram> upstart: s/her/her App/
[22:03:37] <exec> <Bytram> <upstart> ^ 03Despite privacy outrage, AccuWeather App still shares precise location data with ad firms | ZDNet