#editorial | Logs for 2017-05-25
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[00:47:40] <Bytram> hi guys!
[00:47:52] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[00:47:54] <upstart> ^ 03Boeing teams up with DARPA to create a new spaceplane - CNET ( https://www.cnet.com )
[00:49:15] <Bytram> http://boeing.mediaroom.com
[00:49:18] <upstart> ^ 03Boeing, DARPA to Design, Build, Test New Experimental Spaceplane ( http://boeing.mediaroom.com )
[01:16:19] <charon_> hiyo bytram
[01:17:41] <Bytram> charon_: bone chewer!
[01:18:10] <charon_> i have made a terrible mistake
[01:20:35] <Bytram> whacha do?
[01:27:40] <Bytram> charon_: what happened?
[01:29:47] <charon_> heh, bit on some of Ethanol Fuelled's bait
[01:30:05] <Bytram> ahhh... got it
[01:42:05] <charon_> how's things?
[01:43:05] <Bytram> having dinner... looking forward to a rainy day off tomorrow. u?
[01:48:28] <charon_> i also have tomorrow off. only 12 minutes left til i can get out of work
[01:49:14] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:49:35] <charon_> why do i always get drawn into these sexism threads?
[01:49:40] <charon_> stupid me
[01:49:40] <Bytram> makes for a long day for ya... takes time to get home, eat, unwind, and finally get to bed.
[01:49:54] * Bytram is 2nding stories atm
[01:50:00] <charon_> yeah, true. the unwinding is tough
[01:51:14] <Bytram> multitask! Start unwinding while on the road -- just drive backwards! =)
[01:51:36] <charon_> brilliant
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[02:18:13] <Bytram> http://www.perthnow.com.au
[02:18:15] <upstart> ^ 03The Perth dog that's probably smarter than you | Perth Now
[02:18:49] <Bytram> ^^^ "Dog sits on the editorial boards of seven international medical journals"
[02:19:11] <Bytram> His name is... Doggie Howser, M.D. ?? =)
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[10:46:13] <Bytram> n1: tip o' the hat to ya
[10:50:36] <Bytram> yet ANOTHER bin spam submission from a hairstylist named 'Chad Kenyon' --- /me is gonna add a story filter to block submissions
[10:51:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, are you certain? there's good odds our community could use some styling.
[10:52:01] <Bytram> speaks for yourself
[10:52:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, style oozes from my every orifice
[10:52:50] <Bytram> so THAT is what that smell was!
[10:53:23] <Bytram> and, the submission is written in bad English:
[10:53:23] <Bytram> In the crowded world of hair colorists, Chad Kenyon successfully stands tall and apart from others. The professional hair stylist has been offering various kinds of hair solutions to clients since a long time. Chad, who is passionate about hair coloring and solutions, learned the hair color technique in Spain after being raised at Illinois.
[10:53:33] <Bytram> cf: https://soylentnews.org
[10:53:36] <upstart> ^ 03Chad Kenyon: An Experienced Hair Colorist and Balayage Artist: SoylentNews Submission
[10:55:19] <Bytram> Hmmm, what to use for the filter error message? "We are all bald, you insensitive clod!"
[10:57:01] * Bytram decides to go with: "Please do not submit spam to our story submission queue."
[11:03:17] <Bytram> NOTE TO SELF: Trick to submitting a new story filter: on CONFIG / Filter: select 'submissions', cllick create. See way-too-big number displayed as filter number on new page. Select 'submissions' again, and click create again. Saw a more normal filter number displayed (in this case, 77). Then scroll down and enter filter parameters and click 'Save filter'
[18:01:51] <Bytram> https://www.forbes.com
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[18:13:38] <janrinok> hi guys
[18:13:53] <Bytram> janrinok: HI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:14:03] <Bytram> So good to SEE you!
[18:14:06] <janrinok> Bytram, and a very good evening to you too!
[18:14:12] <Bytram> mare see
[18:14:16] <janrinok> nice to be seen
[18:14:31] <janrinok> how's things with you?
[18:14:32] <Bytram> before I get engrossed in conversation...
[18:14:50] <Bytram> {{{ JR & S & ILs }}}
[18:14:55] <janrinok> my conversation has never be engrossing
[18:15:04] <Bytram> okay. tired, but have day off and trying to take it easy.
[18:15:06] <janrinok> thank you!
[18:15:16] <Bytram> I'm sure you are quite tired with all you've been through...
[18:15:21] <Bytram> hope things are on the upswing!
[18:16:09] <janrinok> well, yes and no. They are still having treatment and one is awaiting additional surgery, but there is not much that we can do now so it is a little easier to cope with
[18:16:24] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:16:43] <janrinok> S sends you a big hug and a TY back
[18:17:08] <Bytram> It often takes banging my head against a hard object, but I can usually, eventually, come to accept the things I have no power to change.
[18:17:16] * Bytram smiles!
[18:17:52] <janrinok> I'm planning another trip back to the UK in late June and early July - which means that S has to go back into a home for the duration but she is happy with that
[18:19:12] <Bytram> she looks beyond the short term, to see that absence makes the heart grow fonder, and you'll return refreshed and invigorated and well, you know... =)
[18:19:46] <janrinok> I'll return knackered, but with up-to-date news and the knowledge that everything that can be done is being done
[18:20:02] <Bytram> I have no doubt about that!
[18:20:15] <Bytram> something tells me you have a certain, pesistence, when called for.
[18:20:25] <janrinok> :)
[18:20:28] <Bytram> *persistence
[18:20:47] <janrinok> also called stubbornness by some ...
[18:21:18] <Bytram> like a feature is a bug, but with a useful side effect?
[18:21:27] <janrinok> yup, that sort of thing
[18:21:55] * janrinok is not surprised that QA came up with that analogy
[18:22:12] <Bytram> elsewhere in the computer world, that might be known as an exploit
[18:22:23] <Bytram> depends on the recipient's sense of humor
[18:22:58] <janrinok> sense of humour - I had one of those once....
[18:23:18] <Bytram> lemme guess, now its scents of humor?
[18:23:35] <janrinok> no, we can still spell in Europe ;)
[18:23:55] <Bytram> ewe rope? watts that?
[18:24:13] <Bytram> you may be able to spell, but you still talk funny. ;)
[18:24:29] <janrinok> says the 'merican!
[18:25:13] <Bytram> Who can exchange some pleasantries in over a dozen languages... can't be 'merican if I can do that, right?
[18:25:33] * Bytram is much better with 'thank you" than "hello" or "good byte"
[18:25:42] <Bytram> ugh.
[18:25:44] <Bytram> good bye!
[18:25:45] <Bytram> lol
[18:25:50] <janrinok> had a bit of a scare on Monday evening after the attack in Manchester when one of the names that came up was similar to a relative of mine - false alarm fortunately for me, but not for her family of course
[18:25:58] <Bytram> not the best with "you're welcome", either
[18:26:16] * Bytram sad about bombing
[18:26:37] <janrinok> it was always a case of 'when', not 'if'
[18:26:38] <Bytram> hope you folks don't cower or bring out new restrictions... just ignore 'em and not let their terror take hold
[18:27:00] <Bytram> if it does, then they 'win' -- let our response to 9/11 be a warning
[18:28:08] <janrinok> you obviously haven't been seeing the uk coverage - makes me proud to be a Mancunian! They are been taking the piss out of ISIS explaining that after Hitler, the IRA, and other terrorists attacks, it will take more than some nut-job who decides to blow himself up to scare them
[18:28:26] <Bytram> YAY!!
[18:28:55] * Bytram chooses to neither watch the telly nor read local papers... what is not alarmist is trying to sell me something that I do not want.
[18:28:57] <janrinok> 8 arrests so far, and the finds have been describe as 'very significant'
[18:29:14] <Bytram> well, what ELSE are they gonna call 'em?
[18:29:34] * Bytram is a bit synicalabout such things.
[18:29:39] <janrinok> you might have seen the news about the leaks about our int in the US?
[18:29:54] <Bytram> nope
[18:30:03] <Bytram> ignorance is bliss
[18:31:02] <janrinok> sensitive information passed by Manchester police to LE in the US, appeared in the NYT this morning. May is raising the matter with Trump today in Brussels. Manchester police are refusing to pass any more info to the US#
[18:31:14] <Bytram> GOOD!
[18:31:19] <Bytram> ahme.
[18:31:22] <Bytram> ahem
[18:31:53] <Bytram> journalism has its place, don't get me wrong, or I wouldn't be here!
[18:32:32] <Bytram> but, I have very little trust and faith in the current administration to have much systems purview -- seems to be tactical jabs and reactions.
[18:32:41] * Bytram hopes he is wrong on that count.
[18:33:06] <janrinok> if it had been releasable - we would have done it to our own newspapers as well. However, apart from being distressing to the families of victims, it has raised the possibility of prejudicing legal proceedings here
[18:33:35] <Bytram> succinctly put. agree.
[18:34:32] <janrinok> I made a few comments in the thread last night - it seems there is a fair bit of inaccurate reporting taking place on your side of the pond
[18:35:33] <Bytram> powers-that-be putting their spin on things, no doubt... as well as people who are afraid leaping to conclusions.
[18:37:35] <janrinok> you have a good lead on me in the stories stakes - I don't suppose I'll be catching you up for quite a while!
[18:38:18] <janrinok> congratulations, you and the team have kept the site going. I always knew I was not needed :)
[18:38:33] <Bytram> BULL COOKIES!
[18:38:39] <janrinok> lol
[18:39:07] <Bytram> You and LamX single?-handedly kept the site going without the generous-feeders-of-the-submission-queue we have now
[18:39:33] <janrinok> yeah, I noted that there were over 50 subs yesterday! When did that last happen?
[18:39:35] <Bytram> I recall times in my early days that you and lamx would switch off subbing stories for the other to post
[18:40:03] <janrinok> as you know, one does what is needed to be done
[18:40:15] <Bytram> comes and goes... but we generally have at least a half-dozen workable stories in the queue... others we hold onto, just in case the queue runs dry.
[18:40:38] <Bytram> not good enought to use, but too good to throw away until we are absolutely sure we can
[18:40:47] <janrinok> too many pol stories for my liking, but if that is what people want then it is not for me to object
[18:41:27] <Bytram> we try to keep it to one story per day... provides a sandbox where (most of) the chatter can be diverted
[18:41:48] <Bytram> from what I've seen, it seems to be working!
[18:41:52] <janrinok> who is training up Xyem?
[18:42:31] <Bytram> I came home from work one day and from the scrollback, it looks like char.n and fnord... took it upon themselves to get him up to speed.
[18:42:45] <Bytram> just offered a couple pointers / clarifications as I saw would be useful.
[18:43:08] <janrinok> neither of whom are technically authorised, but what the hell
[18:43:40] <Bytram> true that, but the practice was on dev, for one, two I'd have jumped in if theings were trerribly amiss, and third
[18:43:57] <Bytram> the best way to learn something is to try and explain it to someone else.
[18:44:35] <janrinok> yup, can't argue with that. As long as the final say goes to one of the qualified instructors then no foul I suppose
[18:44:43] <Bytram> they did a fine job, and being [relatively] knew, themselves, were able to vividly recall the gotchas to watch out for.
[18:45:14] <Bytram> yep, he's still on the dev site for a bit longer... as he's also taken a shining to helping out with dev work
[18:45:33] <Bytram> just need a priv bump and he could be at it.
[18:46:04] <janrinok> my concern would be if they were asked a question regarding something that they had not experienced. Whether they would say what they would do or say what _should_ be done
[18:46:11] <Bytram> how would you like to handle the final decision as to when/if he should get privs on prod?
[18:46:41] <Bytram> that's why we throw them test stories so we can acutaly see 'em in action!
[18:46:46] <Bytram> *actually
[18:46:52] <janrinok> Give me a week before I am fully back in the saddle - still a few other things pulling me in other directions
[18:47:04] <Bytram> oh yeah, no hurry.
[18:47:49] <Xyem> It's actually the other way around. I volunteered for development first and then volunteered to be an editor too.. though saying that, I don't remember how or when they happened.
[18:48:01] <janrinok> and I very pleased that charon and fnord stepped up to the plate - at least they assumed responsibility to get the job done
[18:48:13] <Xyem> when that happened*
[18:48:19] <janrinok> hi Xyem
[18:48:21] <Bytram> janrinok: just wanted to give you options as to delegate, if the need arose based on your circumstances.
[18:48:33] <Xyem> Evening :)
[18:48:51] <janrinok> well you and cmn are also authorised as instructors
[18:48:52] <Bytram> I assume the two of you have met previously, or should I do introductions?
[18:48:58] <janrinok> we've chatted
[18:49:25] <Bytram> true.
[18:49:34] <Bytram> good
[18:49:58] <janrinok> and I spoke to n1 the other day - he is also auth'ed too
[18:50:06] <Bytram> Getting your approval means a lot, and I don't want to overstep. period.
[18:50:20] <Bytram> ahh, yes, /me had forgotten.
[18:50:32] <janrinok> you were authorised for the last training which was in Dec?
[18:50:40] <Bytram> bio break... gtg... biab
[18:50:46] <janrinok> but - it is only a technicality
[18:50:47] <Bytram> good to see ya!
[18:50:59] <janrinok> and you - I'll have to go soon so take care
[18:52:46] <janrinok> Xyem - do you think you are ready for the big time yet?
[18:52:58] <janrinok> do you want fame and fortune?
[18:55:42] <Xyem> Probably not. As far as I know, I didn't do anything majorly wrong with the test stories though.
[18:55:51] <Xyem> No-one seems to have noticed me so far..
[18:55:57] <janrinok> lol
[18:56:35] <janrinok> do you want me to throw you a few more stories to play with?
[19:00:11] * Bytram realized he had not eaten anything yet today, so took a sidetrip to the kitchen
[19:00:44] <Xyem> As long as you didn't get them mixed up..
[19:00:50] <Xyem> janrinok: Sure, that'd be good :)
[19:01:09] <Bytram> Xyem: luv your cents of humor
[19:01:15] <Bytram> s/c/sc/
[19:01:17] <exec> <Bytram> Xyem: luv your scents of humor
[19:05:44] <Bytram> janrinok: to answer your earlier question as to how the story sub queue is so full... taky.. and p666 have been up to their usual, robust number of submissions, and lately butthu.t has stepped up rather heavily, too.
[19:05:47] <janrinok> OK, don't hold your breath
[19:05:53] * Bytram exhales
[19:05:54] <janrinok> that was for Xyem
[19:06:01] <Bytram> I know!
[19:06:08] <Bytram> just joshin ya.
[19:07:09] <Xyem> I'm not in any rush. I'm just here to help out.
[19:07:13] <janrinok> well, that is S down for the night, and it is time that I was moving on too
[19:07:25] <janrinok> so a goodnight to one and all
[19:07:39] <Bytram> janrinok: and a goodnight to you, as well!
[19:07:40] <janrinok> and hopefully I will be back on here tomorrow
[19:08:02] * Bytram will be at work at that time... will be missing the visit :9
[19:08:04] <janrinok> take care Bytram, and thanks for the emails over the last few months
[19:08:05] <Bytram> :(
[19:08:17] <Bytram> will do, and it's the least I could do.
[19:08:38] <Bytram> that's what friends are for, yanno?
[19:08:50] <Xyem> Night janrinok.
[19:08:59] <janrinok> true, but having them make you appreciate them more
[19:09:19] <janrinok> bye...
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[20:13:39] <Bytram> nap time... laters
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[21:25:35] <mrpg> hi im gonna do this submission https://www.theregister.co.uk
[21:25:36] <upstart> ^ 03Linux homes for Ubuntu Unity orphans: Minty Cinnamon, GNOME or Ubuntu, mate? • The Register
[21:35:57] <mrpg> hopefully it is not too much opinionated
[21:41:06] <mrpg> Devuan is stable! good luck.
[21:41:17] <mrpg> My work here is done. Bye.
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