#editorial | Logs for 2017-05-20

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[00:11:08] <Xyem> charon_: Eh, it was quite handy. If he was going to demonstrate I should give no weight to his opinions, at least he was efficient about it and did it the first time I've spoken to him :)
[00:31:58] <charon_> he has that effect on people
[00:33:19] <Xyem> I find it funny that it ended with him blocking me.
[00:33:36] <Xyem> Clearly, my mocking sarcasm was just too much to handle.
[00:34:09] <Xyem> Or a totally genuine question? I'm not sure what actually prompted it.
[00:36:06] <Xyem> I really hope he didn't realise I'm on the SNdev team. I'm interested in seeing the reaction when the realisation hits.
[00:48:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh he's the same way with me. i'm one of the few people who'll talk to him when he's rambling on.
[01:36:18] <Bytram> charon_: over here
[01:36:30] <Bytram> greening antarctica story...
[01:37:30] <Bytram> only from knowing our submitters well, but I sensed there was something up with the story... the text was all lifted verbatim from "The Guardian" -- added a <blockquote>....</blockquote> to set it off; o/w it looked fine to me.
[01:41:48] <charon_> ?? oh durrr, my mind glossed over it. i though it already was in a blockquote
[01:41:55] <charon_> my bad
[01:42:37] <charon_> thank you for saving me, bytram
[01:42:42] <Bytram> np. even after all the stories I've posted, I still find it is all too easy to miss something... that's why we 2nd things.
[01:42:47] <charon_> ayep
[01:43:44] <Bytram> I know a few blunders of mine have made it to the main page... my feet need to be held to the fire just as much as anyone else -- it's all for the community.
[01:43:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, 2nding is for the meek. you don't see me going around getting a second opinion on my code, do ya?
[01:44:12] <Bytram> AHEM!
[01:44:15] <Bytram> ~blame
[01:44:17] * exec points at Bytram
[01:44:17] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[01:44:31] * Bytram LOLs
[01:45:02] * TheMightyBuzzard is still convinced the bugs didn't actually exist until Bytram breaks stuff
[01:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> quantum bugs
[01:45:29] <chromas> Schrödinger's Bytram
[01:45:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/b/h/
[01:45:45] <exec> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> quantum hugs
[01:46:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/b/ju/
[01:46:09] <chromas> This is both sexual and platonic.
[01:46:11] <exec> <TheMightyBuzzard> quantum juugs
[01:46:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, close enough
[01:46:23] <charon_> agape
[01:46:38] <Bytram> charon_: s/$/'/
[01:46:40] <exec> <Bytram> <charon_> agape'
[01:48:27] <charon_> ok. time to do the closing time chores, and go home. later folks
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[01:49:54] <Bytram> ciao chow chow
[02:07:05] <cmn32480> every editor has had some blunders make it to the fornt page...
[02:07:13] <cmn32480> the Alzheimers Cock comes to mind
[02:24:34] * Bytram is updating the site news story -- will need 2nding in a bit.
[02:24:53] <cmn32480> which 'un?
[02:26:52] <Bytram> SoylentNews Update 17.05; Backend Changes; Folding@Home News; Accounts Milestone; Funding Shortfall
[02:27:02] <cmn32480> oh
[02:27:12] <cmn32480> oooo Folding @ home news...
[02:27:19] <cmn32480> SirFinkus quit?
[02:27:25] <Bytram> got a wonky connection tonite... keep having my connection drop. :/
[02:27:38] <cmn32480> better your connection than your dinner
[02:28:46] <Bytram> excellent point!
[02:28:53] <SirFinkus> not that I'm aware of, but haven't really done anything lately
[02:29:07] <cmn32480> s'okay
[02:29:15] <cmn32480> I been lazy AF lately too
[02:29:58] <cmn32480> but I'm finally coming up for air... so that's good
[02:30:27] <Bytram> don't know if you noticed, but you've single-handedly totaled over 100 million points!
[02:30:52] * cmn32480 goes looking...
[02:32:16] <cmn32480> huh
[02:32:18] <cmn32480> who knew?
[02:32:25] * Bytram did!
[02:32:28] <cmn32480> I shoudl get a plaque or somesuch...
[02:32:54] <Bytram> cmn32480: http://fah-web2.stanford.edu
[02:33:15] <Bytram> AND!
[02:33:17] <Bytram> http://fah-web2.stanford.edu
[02:33:48] <cmn32480> apparently I'm special!
[02:34:01] * cmn32480 looks for his white Hockey helpmet
[02:34:53] <SirFinkus> yeah, I really need a gpu to do this properly
[02:36:07] <Bytram> according to this: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com
[02:36:20] <cmn32480> heh... my connection is wonky too
[02:36:23] <Bytram> we are on track to break through 300 and into the 2xx's on or about May 28th
[02:36:25] <cmn32480> I just dropped
[02:37:24] <cmn32480> it has been a slow arduous climb
[02:53:40] <nick> that's a lot of points you got there cmn32480
[02:53:59] <cmn32480> I earned them one-by-one
[03:09:54] <Bytram> teamwork++
[03:09:54] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 138
[03:28:17] <Bytram> teamwork++
[03:28:17] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 139
[03:28:22] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[03:28:22] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 140
[03:29:08] <Bytram> yep, I got the rest of the day's stories 2nded... and then you get a bunch more posted!
[03:29:18] <Bytram> =)
[03:29:19] <cmn32480> sorry.. I'll go delete them
[03:29:27] <Bytram> Touche'
[03:29:57] <Bytram> little bobby;)'-- delete all from
[03:30:01] <charon> http://lewisandquark.tumblr.com
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[04:24:58] -!- mode/#editorial [+v nick] by Hephaestus
[10:30:22] <Bytram> https://www.thurrott.com
[10:30:24] <upstart> ^ 03Windows 10 S Will Not Support the Linux Subsystem - Thurrott.com
[10:30:42] <Bytram> http://www.aljazeera.com
[10:30:45] <upstart> ^ 03Libya: 141 people killed in Brak al-Shat airbase attack | Libya News | Al Jazeera
[11:33:44] <Bytram> ~eds I'd like the site update story to go out soonish... is scheduled for 1500 UTC today. Is currently ticked NOT display. Would someone please 2nd the story and release it? Much obliged!
[11:33:46] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: i'd like the site update story to go out soonish... is scheduled for 1500 utc today. is currently ticked not display. would someone please 2nd the story and release it? much obliged!): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[11:48:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we generally post AFTER the update. why the rush this time?
[12:06:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: a few reasons. (1) to give advance notice of what's up, (2) keep community informed of other changes that are afoot / progress that has been made, and, most importantly, (3) beg for money -- but in a way that isn't solely a begging-for-money-story.
[12:07:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. really i'd like to not get their hopes up for new stuff and then be another month giving it to them because pj was going to be too busy to deploy though.
[12:08:00] <Bytram> A large anonymous contributor in the past has expressed displeasure with PayPal & CC pmts, we need the BC support asap.
[12:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp
[12:08:19] <Bytram> maybe NC can step in and/or others can step in to make it happen this weekend?
[12:08:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> which means we need deployed asap, which is another matter.
[12:08:32] <Bytram> bingo!
[12:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> well technically i can do it but i dislike the prospect of breaking prod instead of breaking dev.
[12:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it'd be overstepping
[12:09:55] <Bytram> I know the feeling... there's things for which I have the privs, but lack the expertise... but in an emergency, I can be guided through things to help get things running again.
[12:10:09] <Bytram> In short, just consider this story a 'calculated nudge' to encourage deployment sooner than later.
[12:10:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh it's not supposed to be any different on prod than on dev
[12:10:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i've done a gerzillion deploys on dev
[12:11:02] <Bytram> not *supposed* to be... yep.
[12:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[12:11:23] <Bytram> still, it's a bit different when there a few K people looking over your shoulder. amirite?
[12:11:32] <Bytram> *there are
[12:14:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup.
[12:14:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i didn't want to be an admin.
[12:22:02] <Bytram> and it's past time for me to get ready for work :/
[12:22:10] <Bytram> was able to push one story into the queue.
[12:22:37] <Bytram> nick: Looks like you have the skinny on this story: https://soylentnews.org
[12:22:39] <upstart> ^ 03Migrant crisis in Germany: SoylentNews Submission
[12:23:08] <Bytram> seems the consensus is to drop the story... if you concur, please feel free.
[12:27:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> given germany's stance on refugees to date, i'd be highly surprised if it doesn't end up being absolutely true despite the source. it's still speculation at this point though, even if correct.
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[16:28:42] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, it would have been possible to make a valid story with that point, but they didnt go that route, they went with twisting and selectively reporting of two separate stories to promote a political agenda with absolutely no attempt to check sources
[16:28:48] <nick> everyone went with this
[16:28:55] <nick> translation of the german article
[16:29:25] <nick> which is just not true, there is no English translation of the original article
[16:32:12] <nick> they had a point they wanted to make, and these two stories, one which is two years old and went nowhere
[16:33:02] <nick> was a perfect base to get people angry and emotional about what refugees are doing in some place, probably
[16:38:31] <nick> the editorial standards cannot rely on confirmation bias and projections about whats probably true, or will be at some point we assume so lets run with it.... and it certainly shouldnt be that low from a think-tank that staffed by people who spent their lives working in intelligence and foreign policy... its almost as if they're more interested in influencing than analysing
[19:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, i don't disagree
[19:44:22] <nick> that wasn't intended to be a rant at you... i'm just growing ever more tired of this editorial race to the bottom from both 'sides' of the political spectrum of who can be the most biased and misleading in their appeals to emotion
[19:46:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i didn't take it as such
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[21:40:59] <nick> howdy charon_
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[21:56:45] <charon_> hiyo nick
[21:57:06] <charon_> why do i even try to get on here from work
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[22:22:08] <nick> because you like being abused from all directions
[22:23:11] <charon_> that's about the size of it
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[22:44:38] <charon_> anyone planning on thinning the sub queue? there's a lot of stuff in there that has been sitting ignored for a while. as in, almost half of the current queue seems to be rejects.
[22:44:47] <cmn32480> yeah
[22:44:58] <charon_> or, more directly, does anyone has an objection if i do it?
[22:45:08] <cmn32480> I'll poke them with a sharp stick and set them on fire...
[22:45:15] <cmn32480> have at it!
[22:45:21] <cmn32480> with my blessings
[22:45:34] <charon_> being still the new guy, i'm not itching to mess crap up, but... it's crap
[22:45:45] <cmn32480> give it a stir big boy!
[22:46:01] <chromas> !grab cmn32480
[22:46:01] <Bender> Added quote 65
[22:46:15] <chromas> !grab nick
[22:46:15] <Bender> Added quote 66
[22:46:20] <charon_> chromas never sleeps
[22:46:37] <cmn32480> !grab charon_
[22:46:37] <Bender> Added quote 67
[22:47:23] <nick> my brain decided to read grab charon_ as grab bacon
[22:47:35] <Xyem> charon_: I thought I was the new guy?
[22:47:57] <cmn32480> You official yet Xyem?
[22:48:02] <charon_> you don't have privileges on prod yet, so you're still a fledgeling
[22:48:11] <Xyem> Ah I see.
[22:48:25] <Xyem> Fledgling -> NewGuy -> Editor?
[22:48:39] <charon_> but you know, it's been 7 months now, i think i can take off my new guy dunce cap
[22:48:50] <Xyem> I'd.. imagine so, yes.
[22:48:53] <cmn32480> Fledgiling -> FNG -> Jr. Editor -> Senior Editor
[22:48:55] <chromas> Pay goes up by 150% each rank
[22:48:58] <nick> i'm not sure, i think you can only stop being a new guy, when there's a newer guy
[22:49:08] <cmn32480> ^^^^
[22:49:11] <Xyem> chromas: Raking in that dollah.
[22:49:11] <cmn32480> nick be correct!
[22:49:15] <charon_> don't mess this up Xyem, you're my ticket out of hell
[22:49:20] <Xyem> Haha!
[22:49:41] <cmn32480> charon_, didn't Fnord666 come on a day after you?
[22:49:52] <charon_> yeah, and mrpg is a bit after me too
[22:50:15] * cmn32480 notes the emaiul to the ditorial staff that Xyem has rescinded his application wiht the reason "just to fuck charon_ over"
[22:50:22] <charon_> lol
[22:50:41] <nick> i dont think a couple of days counts as being a newer guy
[22:51:19] <cmn32480> technically.. nick outranks me by like a year
[22:51:40] <cmn32480> and several dozen passport stamps
[22:51:45] <charon_> after a certain point it's not time anymore, it's insane devotion
[22:52:03] <cmn32480> no kidding
[22:52:13] <cmn32480> you looked at Bytram's story count lately? jebus!
[22:52:23] <charon_> i'll never catch him
[22:52:26] <nick> cmn32480, you made up for that by posting more stories than me
[22:52:38] <charon_> gonna take down takyon any day though
[22:53:03] <nick> charon_, you say that now... just takes consistency, i was probably at around 1000 stories before cmn joined and look at him now!
[22:53:10] <cmn32480> Marty just cracked 3500
[22:53:52] <charon_> nick: and now you're all the way up to... 1100. wow
[22:53:53] <cmn32480> JR is a shade below 3400... I'm third with a little off 2700
[22:54:14] <cmn32480> he's at 1526 as of last night
[22:54:23] <charon_> i kid
[22:54:31] <cmn32480> LamX is only about 40 in front
[22:54:50] <nick> these days i go for quality over quantity! :p
[22:54:53] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[22:54:57] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[22:55:06] <charon_> holy cow, i never noticed when bytram passed JR
[22:55:14] <cmn32480> when it was mostly me bytram and JR for a while.. it was quantity just to keep the queue full
[22:55:38] <nick> cmn32480, i know how it goes... same when it was jr, lamx and me
[22:55:45] <cmn32480> yep
[22:55:58] <cmn32480> I remember. It is quite the grind
[22:56:04] <charon_> so what you're saying here is it's always been this way
[22:56:17] <cmn32480> no... I think we have more active eds now then we ever have
[22:56:29] <cmn32480> even the guys who post a few per week
[22:56:39] <cmn32480> they are consistent
[22:56:50] <charon_> quit coughing at me
[22:57:11] <cmn32480> I think we have about 8(?) guys who consistently are pushing stuff out
[22:57:14] <nick> if everyone does a little bit, it keeps the wheels moving... 3 editors can do it, but it's a daily obligation then for all 3
[22:57:29] <nick> and i'd rather it not be an obligation for anyone
[22:57:42] <cmn32480> amen
[22:57:49] <cmn32480> and that obligation eats a shitton of time
[22:58:14] <cmn32480> because each guy has to average 6 per day
[22:58:28] <cmn32480> every day
[22:58:31] <cmn32480> 7 days a week
[22:58:33] <nick> if you take care and the necessary time, it does... it's easy to push out a load of stories without regard for quality or variety
[22:58:47] <nick> yup
[22:59:22] <cmn32480> we've all gotten on rolls where we have a lot of material to work with and time, and we can dump 18 or 20 out and ea tthe whole day
[22:59:31] <cmn32480> but that is NOT the way to do things long term
[23:01:05] <nick> i refuse to go back to the days where i dreaded visiting the stories queue
[23:01:31] <cmn32480> that'd be the reason I haven't posted nearly so much in the last 6 months
[23:02:05] <cmn32480> it was a grind that I started to hate
[23:02:23] <nick> as i think we said when charon_ and Fnord666 started... burning out is a thing that can/will happen
[23:02:46] <cmn32480> yes it does
[23:02:51] <nick> it's a thankless task that never ends and the news doesn't get better.
[23:03:16] <cmn32480> and when that pressure relief valve hits (such as when a bunch of FNG show up) the temptation is to drop out of sight for a while...
[23:03:29] * cmn32480 knows from personal experience
[23:04:45] <nick> even though i hadn't been contributing, seeing the FNGs show up was a relief to me too
[23:08:42] <nick> the more eds we have, the better the quality of the content will be, the site and the community benefits from that, and the eds will enjoy their contributions more.
[23:09:11] <Xyem> FNG?
[23:09:46] <Xyem> Oh
[23:09:52] <Xyem> Never mind, I figured it out :)
[23:11:28] <cmn32480> really? took thins long?
[23:11:38] <cmn32480> nick - we may wanna reconsider this one....
[23:12:24] <nick> i dont know, seems like Xyem will be a good patsy
[23:12:34] <nick> err i mean good editor
[23:17:43] <Xyem> In my defense, I'm rarely only doing one thing at a time and things get flushed out of memory..
[23:18:50] <Xyem> And it doesn't help that one of the things I'm doing involved RNGs :)
[23:18:54] <Xyem> involves*
[23:19:35] <Xyem> (Writing a dungeon generator module for a game engine.)
[23:19:56] <cmn32480> Randon Number Gnerators?
[23:20:16] <cmn32480> I spelled 1 of 3 words right in that sentence... I'm imrpoving!
[23:20:29] <Xyem> Well it's either that or Random New Guys.
[23:20:52] <cmn32480> fix the one in MRPlow
[23:21:05] <cmn32480> his idea of random seems to favor the buzzard
[23:22:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you say that now but not when you butt stomp me with half my health.
[23:22:48] <charon_> Fucking Number Generator?
[23:25:43] <charon_> uh, i can't view the source for https://soylentnews.org ; blocked by my work firewall. is the jab at journalists in the tiel at all warranted?
[23:25:45] <upstart> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[23:26:15] <charon_> they may have been the subjects of the study, but does it purport to say they behave differently than any other cohort would?
[23:27:02] <charon_> also, the mis-typed word is "title"
[23:27:42] <nick> charon_, change it if you want
[23:27:56] <charon_> well, i can't see the source, so i can't do it blindly
[23:28:19] <nick> how long before it goes live
[23:28:33] <charon_> just sounds a lot like, "hurr durr, journalists are morans"
[23:29:02] <nick> yeah i don't disagree, i was considering changing it but got distracted
[23:29:04] <charon_> an hour
[23:29:34] <nick> im changing it now
[23:30:41] <charon_> thank you nick
[23:31:38] <nick> the summary is actually wrong anyway
[23:31:54] <nick> i only took a quick skim of the paper earlier, but looking closer now
[23:36:10] <nick> well the pdf seems to go both ways, it says something in the conclusion that supports the summary as written, but the diagram attached says the opposite
[23:36:14] <nick> unless im reading it wrong
[23:36:27] <nick> ive updated it now
[23:38:46] <charon_> get ready for blood. it's time for a gewg butchering
[23:39:09] <nick> AT&T story?
[23:41:03] <cmn32480> feel free to put an ed note on the end of it
[23:41:15] <cmn32480> [Ed note: this submission vandalized by charon.]
[23:41:58] <nick> 'Lovingly Butchered at Soylent News' Editorial Farm'
[23:42:08] <cmn32480> lol
[23:42:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> gewg_ sub?
[23:44:54] <charon_> ayep
[23:45:03] <charon_> lol nick
[23:45:24] <charon_> i think i'll copy it into dev so Xyem can have some fun too
[23:45:43] <nick> good idea
[23:46:51] <Xyem> Should I feel like I'm being set up?
[23:47:04] <cmn32480> at least he's pretty perceptive
[23:47:31] <cmn32480> gewg_ is a submitter adn frequent commenter who can't see past his own bias
[23:47:51] <cmn32480> if it doesn't coem from the left side of politics, it's shit
[23:47:59] <cmn32480> if it doesn't run linux, it's shit
[23:48:08] <cmn32480> if you disagree with him, YOU are shit
[23:48:19] <cmn32480> this is why he and I don't really get along at all
[23:57:02] <Deucalion> such an open mind :)
[23:58:07] <charon_> if you are not a socialist workers collective, you're part of the problem
[23:58:56] * charon_ hides from Deucalion
[23:59:15] <Deucalion> why?