#editorial | Logs for 2017-02-12

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[00:17:53] <charon_> hiyo editorial
[00:17:59] <charon_> suckitchromas!
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[01:24:31] <Fnord666> howdy Bytram charon_
[01:24:54] <Bytram> bone chewer!
[01:25:08] <Fnord666> eh?
[01:25:13] <Fnord666> ah!
[01:25:15] <Bytram> bon jour!
[01:25:16] <Bytram> lol
[01:25:21] <charon_> hi diddly doodly, neighbor!
[01:25:25] <Bytram> mare see buckets, too!
[01:25:54] <Fnord666> treble n
[01:26:20] <charon_> ¿ñ?
[01:26:27] <Bytram> noice! never herd that won bee four
[01:26:41] <Fnord666> how is everyone this eve? Other than cmn who appears to be on a road trip
[01:26:59] <Fnord666> tre bien charon_
[01:27:09] <charon_> headachy. counting the minutes until i can leave work
[01:27:38] <Fnord666> sounds like a lot of fun. not.
[01:27:43] <charon_> ette twa?
[01:28:21] <Fnord666> come see come saw
[01:28:40] <charon_> bee-end
[01:28:56] <charon_> damnit Bytram
[01:29:06] <charon_> now you've got me doing it
[01:29:18] * Bytram is trying to run some queries on dev's db before his connection drops on him.
[01:29:20] <Bytram> putty--
[01:29:20] <Bender> karma - putty: -1
[01:32:44] <Fnord666> Can't say I've ever had much trouble out of putty
[01:33:05] <charon_> trying to muster up the energy to find a few new subs, since the queueueueueueue is running pretty dry and stagnant
[01:33:44] <Fnord666> I guess I could have left it alone and we would have been good through Sunday.
[01:34:47] <Fnord666> We just wouldn't have had anything new go out for 24 hours or so
[01:35:35] <charon_> candidate for the ig-nobel prize right here: https://www.technologyreview.com
[01:35:51] <charon_> oh, no exec for the headline: The Curious Case of Cockroach Magnetization
[01:36:39] <Fnord666> exec commit hari kari again?
[01:36:59] <charon_> something about cmns firewall
[01:37:37] <Fnord666> oh yeah
[01:37:51] <Fnord666> exec runs on one of his boxen I believe
[01:38:43] <Bytram> yep, and it is currently behind his, now non-functioning firewall, at work -- said firewall he is on the way to restarting
[01:38:44] <Fnord666> re the cockroaches. At least it wasn't our tax money funding the grantys this time.
[01:40:20] <Fnord666> So what I get from that is if you need to magnetize a cockroach to make a compass, kill it first.
[01:40:36] <charon_> i prefer arthur, but if mrplow is the only bot available....
[01:46:20] <Bytram> charon_: there *is* the other option of just, yanno, submitting a story like the rest of us =)
[01:46:37] <Bytram> yeah, is not so convenient, I'll grant you that.
[01:47:02] <charon_> i usually do submit for real, but my brain is hurting and i don't want to make it explode
[01:47:44] <charon_> also: that's crazy talk!
[01:49:06] <Bytram> hope your brain stops hurting soon; is VERY not fun.
[01:49:49] <charon_> i took aspirin an hour ago but it seems to be doing nothing. maybe i need a lie down
[01:50:28] <Bytram> except for the headache, is everything else okay? any fever? muscle aches? blurred vision?
[01:51:22] <charon_> nope, none of that. over tired, because i've stayed up too late the last few nights playing video games
[01:51:32] <charon_> for which i totally blame nick
[01:51:37] <Bytram> lol
[01:52:14] <Bytram> at least there is a reason for it; sometimes symptoms are a good thing to let us know when something is REALLY messed up.
[01:52:59] <Bytram> at least the barometer is on the rise for ya, that should help
[01:53:10] <charon_> yep. possibly eye strain, i've always had good perfect vision, but i'm getting to the age when a lot of people start to need glasses
[01:53:53] <Bytram> Again I was ahead of the curve... got glasses when I was a teen =)
[01:54:04] <charon_> four eyes
[01:54:12] * charon_ points and laughs
[01:54:27] * Bytram aims...
[01:54:35] <Bytram> .kick
[01:54:40] <charon_> ow
[01:54:46] <Bytram> and a miss!
[01:54:57] <Bytram> that was close. ::)
[01:55:09] <Bytram> now, THAT ^^ is four eyes!
[01:55:12] * charon_ breathes a sigh of relief
[01:55:16] <charon_> nice
[01:55:32] * Bytram suggests alternating the exhales with inhales
[01:55:46] <charon_> huh, it does work better like that
[01:57:23] <charon_> alright, 3 minutes... do i have any last minute work?...
[01:57:32] * charon_ goes to check
[02:00:51] <charon_> nope, all done. just need someone to close out my register and i can go
[02:07:01] <Bytram> many thanks for all the stories you have pushed out on the site... /me is very grateful as that is that much more of my time that it freed up to work on testing/qa
[02:07:57] <charon_> me? you're quite welcome. i know you, like everyone only have 24 hours in a day
[02:08:27] <charon_> glad you do the testing, because i don't have the patience for that job
[02:10:35] <charon_> ok, off to home, see you on the other side
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[14:55:16] <Bytram> ~eds story queue is low; I just pushed out a story, but need to head to work.
[14:55:17] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: story queue is low; i just pushed out a story, but need to head to work.): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[14:55:29] <cmn32480> I'll dig on it Bytram
[14:55:35] <Bytram> ok, gtg have a GREAT day everyone!
[14:55:37] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[14:55:37] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 85
[14:55:39] <Bytram> teamwork++
[14:55:39] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 126
[14:55:40] <cmn32480> you to be safe
[14:56:17] <Bytram> yep; thanks. I'm just hoping I don't have too much ice on my car windows; took me 30 minutes to clear off my car windows last night after work. :(
[14:56:22] <Bytram> give my best to J
[14:56:23] <Bytram> laters
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[14:58:59] <janrinok> Bytram, any idea what takyon's book recommendation has got to do with the Beyonce story?
[15:10:34] <cmn32480> NFI
[15:14:22] <Fnord666> #submit https://www.engadget.com
[15:14:23] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:14:24] <exec> └─ 13Tiny airborne probe could help local weather forecasts
[15:14:48] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:17:57] <Fnord666> #submit https://techxplore.com
[15:17:57] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:17:59] <exec> └─ 13AI researchers get a sense of how self-interest rules
[15:18:23] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:38:07] <takyon> janrinok: it was not my recommendation. Check the original submission
[17:39:06] <takyon> TheMightyBuzzard: am I crazy or is the site update timestamp bugged
[17:39:33] <takyon> check timestamps for site update and "ACLU Claims" stories
[17:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's post-dated on purpose
[17:40:19] <takyon> how does the 02/12 21:59 story appear before 02/12 16:36
[17:40:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it's set to 2018 instead of 2017 =P
[17:40:42] <takyon> LOL
[17:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> seemed easier than picking a different day
[17:41:44] <takyon> ok, thanks
[17:42:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp
[17:43:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free to repunctuate and such as necessary
[17:43:58] <janrinok> takyon - sorry, my bad
[17:44:30] <takyon> I did however add an "s" to the name of the story after someone pointed it out
[17:44:39] <janrinok> lol - your good!
[17:45:24] <takyon> i think it's time to pitch some science stories in
[17:46:17] <takyon> oh and I have to update my extension to take into account the site update, such as adding the SPOILER tag
[17:46:43] <takyon> I predict the commenters will have a lot of fun with <spoiler>(insert dank meme here)</spoiler>
[17:47:10] <janrinok> probably ;)
[17:48:23] <janrinok> thank $DEITY that we have some decent subs again
[18:01:09] <takyon> two things I have the do for the new update are handle the field for adding dept in subs, and the spoiler tag button
[18:01:31] <takyon> the new nexuses might need some code. have to look at it
[18:03:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> <spoiler>( o Y o )</spoiler>
[18:04:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if i can put that in my sig...
[18:05:02] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[18:05:05] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Xiaomi to Build its Own "Pinecone" Smartphone SoCs
[18:05:18] <takyon> I think so TMB
[18:05:26] <Fnord666> any idea why the stories list is showing the site update story appearing on Monday, 2/12?
[18:05:36] <takyon> because the update story is in 2018
[18:05:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot!
[18:05:54] <takyon> that's how long it's going to take to roll out :P
[18:06:21] <Fnord666> thanks. That .splains it
[18:06:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i think pj is gonna roll it out tonight sometime.
[18:06:42] <cmn32480> shit.. it has already been a year... what's one more
[18:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> say... ain't we due an anniversary story soon?
[18:07:13] <Fnord666> BTW very nice writeup TMB.
[18:07:19] * TheMightyBuzzard tips hat
[18:07:31] <takyon> you're due a Soylent Upgrade v13 journal in the next day or so
[18:07:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[18:08:28] <Fnord666> takyon - can the blockquote closing tag go on a new line by itself when inserted?
[18:09:11] <takyon> Fnord666 I originally put it on same line as text to prevent any extra whitespace issue at the end of the thing
[18:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i couldn't use it myself on account of it would confuse me on what went in the rehash code and what was in yers. not that i touch edity pages if i can help it. damned javascript.
[18:09:27] <takyon> that's not a good description but I'm not sure if it was ever a problem or just my OCD
[18:09:40] <Fnord666> ok
[18:09:52] <Fnord666> makes sense.
[18:10:11] <takyon> maybe it adds a whole nother line. let's test it
[18:10:47] <Fnord666> I like to double click on paragraphs to insert the tag and if the blockquote is on the same line it gets picked up as well.
[18:11:19] <takyon> you use paragraph(s) first, then blockquote
[18:11:43] <takyon> although usually I have little trouble because the soylent submission system typically adds already
[18:12:03] <takyon> don't respond, need to check something
[18:12:22] <takyon> yeah basically
[18:13:00] <takyon> unless the submitter did something weird like add their own line breaks I'm almost never adding new parapraph tags. Usually I am deleting them because of merging two paragraphs into 1
[18:13:05] <Fnord666> yeah I do the para first now then the blockquote
[18:13:41] <Fnord666> I was thinking more as a submitter than as an editor
[18:13:56] <takyon> submitters don't need to fuck with P tags
[18:13:56] <Fnord666> although it sounds like I'm doing too much manual work.
[18:14:36] <takyon> If you do Plain Old Text mode which I use almost exclusively, your line breaks delineate the paragraphs
[18:14:40] <Fnord666> just blockquote it with line breaks and the submission will handle the ?
[18:14:45] <takyon> you can add your blockquote and the system will handle it correclyt
[18:14:49] <Fnord666> ninja'd
[18:15:08] <takyon> I don't know if this information is very intuitive to small time submitters
[18:15:10] <Fnord666> cool. thanks.
[18:15:34] <Fnord666> I never knew that Plain Old Text was on the submission page for the longest time
[18:15:37] <takyon> like, I am using Plain Old Text all the time and adding HTML tags. Does that make sense? Not much.
[18:16:12] <takyon> HTML Formatted = I hope you like adding your own line breaks and paragraphs, chump!
[18:16:23] <cmn32480> is that what that does?
[18:16:44] * cmn32480 learned something... now he gets to go home
[18:16:46] <takyon> it makes it so that Soylent does not handle the line breaks. you do everything manually
[18:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> HTML Formatted is slightly more "don't tell me what the fuck i mean, bitch"
[18:17:19] <takyon> does it handle HTML entities slightly differently or something?
[18:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, basically just what you said. you get to be more the boss of formatting.
[18:18:16] <takyon> I got a small question. Is the addition of <spoiler /> going to cause browsers to throw more validation errors? You know, the ones gewg_ complains about incessantly?
[18:18:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably
[18:18:53] <Fnord666> #submit http://www.popularmechanics.com
[18:18:53] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[18:19:00] <exec> └─ 13Woman's Headache Turns Out To Be Live Cockroach In Skull - Cockroach in Woman's Head
[18:19:23] <takyon> given all those crazy tags that were added into HTML5 to make doing your CSS easier, I'm surprised W3C or WhatWG hasn't added an official <spoiler> element yet
[18:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, oh, no. it converts it to a <div class="spoiler">
[18:19:47] <Fnord666> we have a class for that?
[18:19:49] <takyon> oh. how compliant
[18:19:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do now
[18:20:10] <Fnord666> sweet
[18:20:26] <cmn32480> from the just-squish-it dept.
[18:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> for the books nexus mostly but i don't care if folks abuse it
[18:20:48] <takyon> http://www.w3schools.com
[18:20:51] <exec> └─ 13HTML5 Semantic Elements
[18:21:06] <takyon> TMB: You've gotta be crazy if you think it's not going to get wide adoption on all stories
[18:21:11] <Fnord666> "It took doctors almost an hour to extract it, and yes, there's a video."
[18:21:11] <takyon> it will be used for truly epic lulz
[18:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas fine. idgaf.
[18:22:05] <Fnord666> and yet we still don't have a sarcasm tag
[18:22:10] <takyon> I didn't you had to gaf. I'm interested to see what will happen though
[18:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, yes we do =P
[18:22:36] <Fnord666> probably the same thing as the blink tag
[18:22:37] <takyon> it's called: every comment
[18:22:49] <Fnord666> good point
[18:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it just slaps <sarcasm></sarcasm> visibly around whatever you put it around
[18:23:14] <Fnord666> ok then we need a <!sarcasm> tag
[18:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, troof
[18:23:47] <takyon> I need some coffee or something. I'm too dumb
[18:23:53] <takyon> I'll get to work on this extension
[18:24:01] <Fnord666> coffee++
[18:24:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 72
[18:24:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> long as nobody figures out a good way to truly annoy me with the spoiler tags, i'm not gonna restrict em to /Books
[18:24:23] <Fnord666> hmmmm...
[18:24:32] * cmn32480 thinks very hard....
[18:24:46] * cmn32480 wonders if we can use them in the stories?
[18:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, you two ain't chromas and Bytram.
[18:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes
[18:25:17] <Fnord666> one's got to have goals tho
[18:25:39] <cmn32480> it's good to have goals...
[18:26:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> gooooooooooal!
[18:26:16] <Fnord666> :)
[18:26:39] <Fnord666> I should break that out during performance reviews.
[18:27:13] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard s/gooooooooooal!/gooooooooooat!/
[18:27:15] <exec> <cmn32480> <TheMightyBuzzard> gooooooooooat!
[18:27:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that's: GOAT!!
[18:28:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i haven't said that in a couple years on account of half the people what know why we said it is dead now.
[18:28:06] <Fnord666> goat. see?
[18:28:43] <janrinok> I'm not sure of the difference between Books and Reviews nexuses - but I'm sure it will all become clear
[18:29:01] <Fnord666> afk. biab.
[18:29:14] * janrinok remembers discussing that 'Books' was perhaps restrictive and Reviews could cover books, films and games
[18:30:04] <takyon> there is no reviews nexus
[18:30:07] <takyon> it's a topic
[18:30:11] <takyon> oh
[18:30:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think Books was sposed to be more an active participation type thing. like a book club.
[18:30:47] <janrinok> well, I watch and see how it gets used
[18:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto
[18:31:07] <cmn32480> I think reviews might be better...
[18:31:09] <takyon> if we did active participation for watching TV together, we would be a reddit. books are slightly more intellectual and slower paced
[18:31:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ain't involved in it cept for creating it and making the spoiler tag
[18:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, and promoting dyingtolive to editor so's he can help curate it. i shall thoroughly warn him not to step on full-on editorial toes though and only give him authors perms in Books.
[18:33:55] <janrinok> well, he will need some training - otherwise he will not know how to deconflict stories so that they don't all come out at the same time. Each nexus cannot operate in total isolation from the others, IMHO
[18:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure if he needs seclev 100 to go with "author in: books" or not really
[18:34:31] <janrinok> nor do we want 6 book stories per day, for example
[18:34:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. will send him over for yall to learn him da ropes.
[18:35:11] <janrinok> np, I can fit him in
[18:35:15] * cmn32480 ties a new noose
[18:35:15] <takyon> I think the aim is for 2-4 book club type posts per month, and maybe some book reviews in there
[18:35:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse any toes i mighta stepped upon there. hadn't thought of Books being on the main page as well.
[18:35:54] <janrinok> well, as long as we all understand that (and I didn't), it can be included in the wiki so that we have something to refer to
[18:36:30] <janrinok> same for Politics and any other nexuses that we are introducing
[18:37:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, politics is just a dumping ground for yall though. no new edity people for it.
[18:38:19] <janrinok> wouldn't it be easier to simply train dyingtolive to be an editor along with the rest of us? Or does he have some objection to that?
[18:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but he hasn't volunteered for full on editorial duties. yall will have to sneak it onto him like how paulej72 got me on staff then admining.
[18:40:18] <janrinok> lol - we'll go slowly at first and see how it goes
[18:40:43] <janrinok> don't want to put of any help - even part time or single nexus
[18:40:49] <janrinok> off*
[18:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna give him full on training though, yer the editor.
[18:41:33] <cmn32480> full training will basically be required.. even if he is only working the books nexus... it all works the same.. I imagine
[18:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't hurt to have him properly trained just in case yall all go out and get horribly drunk at the sn editors party
[18:41:40] <janrinok> well, my view is that he will have to know how to operate the entire editing process - it will be the same for any nexus - so I don't see that there is much difference in the training requirement
[18:42:04] <cmn32480> ninja'd!
[18:42:23] <janrinok> ninja'd * 2
[18:42:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> less sticky rules about what to publish and how badly OO needs a kicking.
[18:42:47] <cmn32480> and us getting drunk on the 2 beers that the SN credit limit will allow.. is pretty funny
[18:43:11] <janrinok> especially when our Christmas bonus is related to our take-home pay
[18:43:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well if we didn't have to pay for all these bloody servers...
[18:43:44] <cmn32480> tmb - speaking of which... I have some temporary backup space set up for the FreeBSD testing
[18:43:45] * TheMightyBuzzard slaps a SN instance up on his home server and redirects the DNS entry
[18:44:28] * janrinok waits for TMB to complain that his lights are dimming, in fact the entire township is having problems
[18:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya? talk with NC about that. i'm still team gentoo.
[18:44:41] <cmn32480> he was the one looking for the temporary space
[18:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> sheit. i coulda give him a vm to break to his heart's content. i just didn't see it in the scrollback.
[18:46:29] <cmn32480> either way
[18:46:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, the only real reason we can't run this all from like 1 box is because we like the site being UP
[18:46:37] <cmn32480> i know
[18:46:45] <janrinok> yeah, we're picky like that
[18:47:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure my desktop box could handle the entire site's load on every service.
[18:47:40] <janrinok> except the db downloading every story and then throwing some of them away - that bit made me chuckle...
[18:47:52] <janrinok> s/story/commnt/
[18:47:53] <sedctl> <janrinok> except the db downloading every commnt and then throwing some of them away - that bit made me chuckle...
[18:47:55] <exec> <janrinok> except the db downloading every commnt and then throwing some of them away - that bit made me chuckle...
[18:48:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that was some dumbshit design.
[18:49:30] <janrinok> I put an editor's note to your release story - seriously, that was the clearest explanation of an update I have seen for this site
[18:51:09] <cmn32480> usually it is "We put out a buncha new stuff. Y'all figure it out and let us know if you like it."
[18:51:36] <janrinok> anybody know what TZ dyingtolive is in - I'm guessing he is in the US somewhere
[18:52:10] <cmn32480> based on his WhoIs... Missouri
[18:52:17] <cmn32480> puts him central time
[18:52:26] <cmn32480> he is loggid into #soylent
[18:52:35] <cmn32480> you can bring him here so we can all abuse him
[18:53:07] <janrinok> just pinging him now
[18:53:51] <janrinok> if I get no reply I will message him
[18:56:36] <cmn32480> I'm gonna be cleaning up the crap from this upgrade fro months
[18:56:44] * cmn32480 sighs....
[19:04:50] <cmn32480> and now toss all the firewall stuff on top of it.
[19:08:35] <janrinok> I've messaged dyingtolive and invited him to join us on here whenever he fancies it
[19:14:08] <janrinok> cmn32480, who can you actually point the finger at for the server cock-up at work?
[19:14:26] <cmn32480> only the mirror
[19:14:38] <cmn32480> but I belienve that my server has alzheimers
[19:14:54] <janrinok> figures ...
[19:20:55] <cmn32480> yeah
[19:21:00] <cmn32480> just the usual crap
[19:21:12] <cmn32480> 2 systems that were "integrated" with a freaking crowbar...
[19:21:30] <janrinok> .. you mean, there is another way?!
[19:21:52] <janrinok> but surely these 'other ways' cost money?
[19:26:15] <cmn32480> nope... get ris of one of them
[19:26:21] <cmn32480> saves $$
[19:27:00] <cmn32480> and they currently won't talk to each other...
[19:27:09] <cmn32480> judgemental shit pieces of software
[19:27:29] <janrinok> I was going to make a sexist joke and then decided against it - probably wise
[19:50:40] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480 - got to be on my way
[19:50:43] * exec historically fires a whiff of buttsecks at cmn32480
[19:50:47] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[19:50:49] * exec diabolically passes an F cup of hate to janrinok
[19:50:56] <cmn32480> hopefully see you tomorrow
[19:50:57] <janrinok> all my best to J and the kids
[19:51:01] <cmn32480> I shall
[19:51:04] <cmn32480> my best to S
[19:51:04] <janrinok> yeah, I should be here
[19:51:10] <janrinok> thx - will pass it on
[19:51:11] <cmn32480> providing I don't lite the firewall up
[19:51:15] <janrinok> lol
[19:51:18] <cmn32480> again
[19:51:59] <janrinok> you might find dyingtolive turns up here later - I'm sure you can help him out
[19:52:12] <janrinok> gtg
[19:52:14] <cmn32480> I shall help him out by pointing to the other channel and your nick
[19:52:20] <janrinok> lol
[19:52:25] <cmn32480> yer welcome!
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[21:05:46] -!- mode/#editorial [+v charon_] by Hephaestus
[21:06:04] <charon_> ~gday editorial
[21:06:06] * exec covertly flings a buzzfeed listicle of the chronic at editorial
[21:06:18] <charon_> and welcome back to my favorite little bot, exec
[21:39:21] -!- dyingtolive [dyingtolive!~brad@26-509-7-436.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #editorial
[21:39:27] <dyingtolive> hello sirs.
[21:39:50] <charon_> hiyo, how goes it?
[21:40:35] <dyingtolive> going okay. figured i'd get some computer time in before the girlfriend gets off work.
[21:41:35] <charon_> so janrinok wanted to get you trained as an editor for the books nexus
[21:41:56] <dyingtolive> sure.
[21:42:10] <dyingtolive> it takes 2-3 hours, he said?
[21:42:23] <charon_> so i can get you started, but we need TMB to get you permissions on dev so you can practice
[21:43:14] <dyingtolive> i suppose i should make an account on dev as well.
[21:43:41] <charon_> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[21:43:44] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[21:43:45] <charon_> good plan
[21:44:53] <dyingtolive> apparently i have one, or someone registered one under my nick. didn't use the same password i use for the site. hrm. gonna see if it's linked to my email addy.
[21:45:06] <charon_> can't be too many of you around
[21:46:09] <dyingtolive> nah, i got it. i just forgot whatever password i used for it.
[21:47:30] <charon_> so that link gives an overview of how to use the editing tools available to us. since you won't be editing normal stories, you probably don't have to worry overmuch about stuff like tone/bias/politics
[21:48:26] <charon_> really it should just be a matter of seeing how to move a story from a raw sumbission into the publishing queue
[21:48:45] <dyingtolive> ok. reading through it now.
[21:53:05] <charon_> and don't worry if it doesn't all make sense. it will after a bit of practice
[21:54:35] * TheMightyBuzzard pokes his head in
[21:54:48] <charon_> hey TMB
[21:55:04] <charon_> can you give dyingtolive editing permissions on dev?
[21:56:21] <charon_> also, do i need permissions to edit the wiki? or just an account?
[21:56:53] <charon_> hmm, looks like i don't have a wiki account anyway
[21:57:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's hooked up with full editor privs on dev cause we don't have a books nexus on it. will just be books on prod unless you really wanna be a full editor, dyingtolive.
[21:57:57] <charon_> give him time. we have to ease him into it so he doesn't notice the water is boiling
[21:58:22] <charon_> thank you
[21:58:26] <charon_> TheMightyBuzzard++
[21:58:26] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 5
[21:58:33] <dyingtolive> not particularly unless you need one. i'm more than happy to go with the "ease my way into it" option.
[21:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're still gonna have seclev 100, though i'm not sure that gains you much.
[21:59:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably gets you a really limited admin bar at the top of the page which you shouldn't monkey with outside of Books until they talk you into being a full editor.
[22:00:40] <charon_> who handles the wiki accounts? is that you too?
[22:00:40] <chromas> Is 100 relatively untested? Sounds like someone needs to fiddle >:)
[22:00:56] <charon_> chromas, your seclev is -10000
[22:01:09] <chromas> it's true
[22:01:29] * chromas monkies negatively
[22:01:46] * charon_ watches in horror as the site melts down
[22:02:09] <chromas> if tmb can't hand out wiki privs, I think cmn32480 and Bytram can
[22:02:27] <charon_> i'll catch bytram after work then
[22:03:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp. who does our wiki...
[22:04:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> sir finkus
[22:04:26] <charon_> the hell?
[22:04:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[22:04:39] <exec> └─ 13WhosWho - SoylentNews
[22:05:01] <dyingtolive> well, i'm through the reading. not sure what some of the terminology means, but i imagine it will make more sense when i actually get into it.
[22:05:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm sure someone else knows how to give out accounts but damned if i know who.
[22:05:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, go look at it. https://dev.soylentnews.org
[22:05:31] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[22:06:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm out for the next couple hours guys. got some brauts to boil up in beer then throw on the grill.
[22:07:11] <charon_> later TMB
[22:08:04] <charon_> dyingtolive: look for the admin bar on the top of the dev page, should have several new options
[22:08:16] <dyingtolive> yeah, i was looking at that now.
[22:09:19] <charon_> the stories link is things that have been review and are going to post when their time comes
[22:09:29] <charon_> reviewed^^
[22:10:07] <charon_> 101 submissions is things thet have not yet been reviewed and are waiting for YOU to play with
[22:11:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i should bug mechanicjay to set up an email forwarder of books@sn for whoever wants to be on the list.
[22:11:11] <dyingtolive> i was looking at that, what does the back/hold/quik thingy mean? wiki mentioned it, but didn't talk about what they were.
[22:11:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, remind me if i forget for too long
[22:12:03] <charon_> HOLD is if there's a sub that we don't want to publish yet. like say a story about april fool's day
[22:12:26] <charon_> we stash it there so it's not confused with a normal sub that could be pushed any old time
[22:13:05] <charon_> QUIK is supposedly time sensitive stuff like: terrorist attack in {your hometown}
[22:13:05] <dyingtolive> that makes sense. i'm guessing quik is for breaking news?
[22:13:45] <charon_> i don't know about BACK. it's not available on the prod server
[22:14:14] <charon_> but you can switch things in and out if need be
[22:15:12] <dyingtolive> does it just put a flag on it or is there logic applied to it?
[22:15:53] <charon_> as i understand it doesn't alter the sub or story. it's just in a separate list so you don't see it unless you go looking for it
[22:16:17] <charon_> it's done manually by the editors
[22:17:54] <charon_> in the context of books, maybe you make a discussion story that won't be published until the end of the month. so you put it in hold so no one else mistakenly published it early
[22:19:36] <dyingtolive> sure. that seems reasonable.
[22:20:56] <charon_> so if you're ready for actually working a sub, click on one so you can see the editing screens
[22:21:55] <charon_> a fine choice
[22:22:01] <dyingtolive> okay, looking at the Amazon Sues Alleged Counterfiters one.
[22:22:45] <charon_> hah, i saw that, you were looking at the porn stars one earlier
[22:22:48] <charon_> lol
[22:23:08] <dyingtolive> i was actually interested in the story. :)
[22:23:42] <dyingtolive> so it lets you know what someone's looking at even if they're not doing anything to it.
[22:23:58] <charon_> that's another thing about this interface you should know. you can tell who else is editing and what story they are in
[22:24:12] <charon_> if you refresh the page and look at the very bottom, you'll see
[22:24:21] <dyingtolive> makes sense too. you don't want to step on each others toes.
[22:24:27] <charon_> yep
[22:24:43] <dyingtolive> ah, i see that now.
[22:24:49] <charon_> it also warns you on the Title field that someone else is in the same story
[22:25:26] <dyingtolive> okay. i see that too.
[22:25:29] <dyingtolive> nice.
[22:25:59] <charon_> how fluent are you in HTML?
[22:26:58] <dyingtolive> not very. i CAN do things with it, and i'm no stranger to XML in general, but beyond basic formatting i've not had a whole lot of practical experience.
[22:27:31] <dyingtolive> dogs letting me know he need to go out. be back in about 5 minutes.
[22:27:40] <charon_> ok
[22:28:26] <charon_> you probably know enough then. were really only use a few tags regularly. <blockquote> <a>. the occasional bullet list (<ul>)
[22:31:51] <charon_> is italics for book titles
[22:34:58] <dyingtolive> okay, i've used those before. that shouldn't be too much of a leap.
[22:36:53] <charon_> yeah, it's pretty easy. and we always have a second person review each story before it goes live. even if you do make a mistake, we'll catch it
[22:36:59] <charon_> and mock you mercilessly
[22:37:48] <dyingtolive> is that going to also apply to the books nexus? how many other people are going to be involved in this? i know i wasn't the first one to come up with the idea.
[22:38:36] <charon_> i am honestly not sure. i know sirfinkus was involved earlier, but i'm not sure if he's still interested. takyon probably is, and he's very active
[22:39:27] <dyingtolive> okay. better that way. i'm pretty available at nights and weekends, but i was a little concerned about how much time i'd need to put into this.
[22:39:35] <charon_> i'd guess that regular eds would be willing to 2nd "books" stories
[22:40:00] <charon_> and i don't forsee more than one story a week
[22:40:18] <dyingtolive> i'd imagine probably not even that, at least in the beginning.
[22:40:24] <charon_> yeah
[22:41:36] <charon_> i was originally thinking one for launching and first book announcement, then 3-4 weeks later one for discussion with a poll for choosing the next book
[22:42:39] <dyingtolive> books would get its own poll? that could be cool.
[22:42:58] <charon_> actually eash story can have its own poll, it is neat
[22:43:51] <charon_> possibly the nexus could too? i haven't tried that. but i know you can attach a poll that is only visible on a certain story
[22:46:12] <dyingtolive> i'd think that would be good enough for the purposes we need it for.
[22:46:33] <charon_> the most important thing to get right for books, may be the time of release to the front page
[22:47:47] <dyingtolive> what were you thinking as far as that goes? i'd think a specific day every month would be good. first tuesday or something like that. something expectable and routine.
[22:48:53] <charon_> yeah, any day is fine, but for time i'd recommend around 9am (which is 4am GMT)
[22:49:22] <charon_> so both euro and us readers have it on the front page at a reasonable time to see it
[22:49:30] <dyingtolive> that would probably maximize eyeballs.
[22:49:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you got like 3-4 eds wanting in on this too btw.
[22:49:36] <charon_> wait, i got that backwards, would be 2pm GMT
[22:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you won't be going it alone.
[22:49:57] <dyingtolive> heh. i was just getting ready to point that out.
[22:50:11] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders through and back out
[22:50:30] <charon_> where's my brat?
[22:52:49] <dyingtolive> i need to start on dinner soon. anything else i need to know right now?
[22:52:55] <charon_> on the editing screen, hit the button marked "Preview" so you can look at the time selector
[22:53:29] <charon_> but you can take off whenever. most of the training is messing around on dev and doing it afew times
[22:54:05] <dyingtolive> i mean, i got another 10 minutes or so, so no hurry. just wanted to give you heads up so we're not in the middle of something.
[22:54:22] <charon_> cool, i appreciate that
[22:55:33] <charon_> the field marked "Release Time" inside the yellowish area is fairly important
[22:56:24] <charon_> it's been a while, but i *think* this is UTC time. it may also be your local time if you have settings that way.
[22:56:41] <charon_> anyway, it should be UTC time bacause that's what the site uses
[22:57:19] <charon_> if you set it to an impossible time, it will reset to somewhere in 1970, which is bad
[22:57:31] <dyingtolive> it's 6 ahead of me, which sounds right.
[22:57:35] <charon_> if you set it to a time in the past, it will say ok, and do it
[22:57:55] <dyingtolive> will that trigger a release and backdate it, or does it just never come up?
[22:58:39] <charon_> if you hit the save button it will do it no questions asked. always always always use the preview button at least once to make sure you have the time right
[23:00:43] <charon_> so yeah, if you tell it to post last month, then you look back to last month, there it will be
[23:00:48] <cmn32480> oh jebus FNG is training the REALY FNG
[23:00:53] <charon_> (i have never done that)
[23:01:21] <charon_> psshh, only way to move up the totem poll is to find someone greener
[23:01:30] <dyingtolive> it's just FNGs all the way down.
[23:01:51] <cmn32480> not that I don't trust charon_
[23:02:08] * charon_ if you say "but" i shall be cross
[23:02:09] <cmn32480> but dyingtolive, what's your TZ?
[23:02:22] * cmn32480 crosses charon with a right hook
[23:02:22] <dyingtolive> i'm in CT.
[23:02:30] <cmn32480> Central time?
[23:02:32] <cmn32480> ok
[23:02:33] <dyingtolive> yeah
[23:02:44] <cmn32480> tha puts you 7ish hours behind janrinok
[23:02:52] <cmn32480> I'm Eastern time
[23:03:02] <charon_> also eastern
[23:03:12] <cmn32480> .quiet charon_
[23:03:12] -!- mode/#editorial [-v+q charon_] by Hephaestus
[23:03:22] <cmn32480> the adults are talking, young one
[23:03:31] <cmn32480> .unquiet charon_
[23:03:31] -!- mode/#editorial [-q *!*@Soylent/Staff/Editor/charon] by Hephaestus
[23:03:38] <cmn32480> sorry.. I always wanted to do that
[23:03:46] * cmn32480 abuses his power
[23:03:53] <cmn32480> on occassion
[23:03:54] * charon_ sulks
[23:04:14] <cmn32480> he's actaully done a reasonable job of it so far
[23:04:39] <dyingtolive> my company works around brit time, so it's not unusual for me to be up around 6ish my time
[23:04:48] <cmn32480> ok
[23:05:03] <dyingtolive> not that i should be trusted to be functional at that time always, but... :)
[23:05:07] <cmn32480> charon_, if you'ld liek to continue... I'll poke in after I've finished dinner prep and see what I can screw up?
[23:05:31] <dyingtolive> actually, i need to bail for similar reasons.
[23:05:32] <charon_> i think dyingtolive had to go soon also
[23:05:37] <cmn32480> dyingtolive - get in touch with janrinok, as he is the HEIC.
[23:06:04] <cmn32480> Head Edditor In Charge
[23:06:31] <dyingtolive> yeah, he sent me a message. i'll grab him tomorrow morning.
[23:06:35] <charon_> herring eater infiltrating canada
[23:07:14] <cmn32480> I'm usually here starting 7am Eastern on weekdays, and his schedule fluctuates some more than that, but he generally gets on between 9 and 10 easterns
[23:07:43] <cmn32480> either JR or I can go over what charon_ has already shown you, and complete the walkthrough.
[23:08:02] <cmn32480> through from reading the backscroll... charon_ might actaully knwo what the hell he is doing
[23:08:05] <dyingtolive> hrm. maybe i'll try to snag him tomorrow early afternoon then. i can't irc from work.
[23:08:15] <charon_> jkl;jkl;jkl;
[23:08:16] <cmn32480> understood
[23:08:26] <cmn32480> he is usually off aroun 3pm Eastern
[23:08:37] <dyingtolive> i might be able to catch him then.
[23:08:58] <cmn32480> worst case, we can get you all finished up
[23:09:11] <cmn32480> then throw you to the sharks when the books nexus opesn up
[23:09:18] <charon_> muahahahahahahahah
[23:09:20] <dyingtolive> haha, looking forward to it.
[23:09:36] <cmn32480> excellent... sorry to have interrupted
[23:09:44] <cmn32480> (not really)
[23:09:45] <dyingtolive> waiting for the deluge of "why is this even here?!" whineing because a new feature got added.
[23:09:53] <cmn32480> always
[23:09:57] <cmn32480> people hate change
[23:10:00] <dyingtolive> i'll just tell them it's a beta.
[23:10:01] <charon_> yep
[23:10:11] <charon_> noooo, that word is forbidden
[23:10:25] <cmn32480> depends how you use it
[23:10:36] <cmn32480> I gotta run
[23:10:42] <cmn32480> back on later most likely
[23:10:42] <charon_> later cmn32480
[23:10:44] <dyingtolive> okay, i'll just tell them i'm in alpha then.
[23:10:51] <cmn32480> exactly
[23:11:02] <cmn32480> "I'm just a jr. editor... I don't know crap"
[23:11:12] <dyingtolive> yeah, i need to split too. i'll talk to you guys later.
[23:11:20] <charon_> ~gnight dyingtolive
[23:11:22] * exec crutchyly extracts an assfull of Super VHS tapes from dyingtolive
[23:11:37] <dyingtolive> my tapes! :(
[23:11:47] <cmn32480> ~gnight dyingtolive
[23:11:49] * exec sneakily poops a ciri of puns for dyingtolive
[23:11:50] <charon_> eww
[23:12:00] <cmn32480> ooooo puns!
[23:12:20] <charon_> the lowest form of humor
[23:12:48] <cmn32480> LIAR!
[23:12:56] <cmn32480> ok back in a while