#editorial | Logs for 2017-01-28
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[00:00:31] <Fnord666> heh
[00:00:48] <Fnord666> Closing and opening the door on his faraday cage
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[00:04:30] <charon_> and he took out mechanicjay too
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[01:59:14] <n1> http://www.cnn.com
[01:59:16] <exec> └─ 13Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees - CNNPolitics.com
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[02:03:16] <charon_> because of course he would say that
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[03:59:31] <Fnord666> I'm off to bed. Good night charon.
[03:59:43] <charon> ~gnight Fnord666
[03:59:44] * exec ironically runs the Installshield Wizard to set up a github of cromulence for Fnord666
[03:59:58] <Fnord666> ~gnight charon
[04:00:00] * exec seductively copies yo mama's asscrack of maturity juice for charon
[04:00:19] <Fnord666> ewwww
[04:00:27] <charon> maturity juice, eh?
[04:00:36] <Fnord666> yep
[04:00:41] <charon> clearly you have won
[04:00:51] <Fnord666> this round anyway
[04:01:07] <charon> sleep well
[04:01:16] <Fnord666> you too.
[04:01:38] <Fnord666> a manana
[04:01:54] <Fnord666> a mañana
[04:01:56] <Fnord666> better
[04:02:04] <charon> hooray for tildes
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[11:41:59] <Bytram> ~tell Fnord666 Thanks a bunch for the story submissions! Noticed one minor thing, to get a space to appear after a link, put the space AFTER the "</a>"; NOT before it. Otherwise, the space becomes part of the link and is underlined as well. Like I said, a minor thing, but thought you might like to know.
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[19:50:38] <nick> anyone here
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[20:02:54] <Fnord666> hey nick
[20:03:09] <nick> hi Fnord666
[20:03:52] <nick> how goes
[20:04:33] <Fnord666> it's saturday, so there's that. Doing well. Yourself?
[20:05:17] <nick> been a good day so far
[20:06:23] <Fnord666> I was up early to drop my youngest at the school at 5am. They were heading off to a Science Olympiad competition.
[20:06:30] <nick> i was just pondering however... i think we should run and jump the queue with an immigration story on the most recent developments, that being green card holders are included in the 'ban'
[20:06:31] <Fnord666> https://www.soinc.org
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[20:06:33] <exec> └─ 13Science Olympiad
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[20:06:49] <Fnord666> which story?
[20:06:51] * nick clicks
[20:07:15] <nick> i don't think there's one in the queue yet, but i think it should be done due to the time sensitive nature of the situation
[20:07:51] <nick> http://thehill.com
[20:07:53] <exec> └─ 13Immigration ban includes green card holders: DHS | TheHill
[20:08:05] * Fnord666 clicks
[20:09:21] <nick> this was after yesterday saying that's stupid and impossible, depts don't just change policy on the president signing a bit of paper, only new visas, green cards are totally different etc
[20:09:35] <nick> people were saying that yesterday in the commentary
[20:10:23] <nick> now people are in the situation of perhaps being in transit, returning from family or business trips and are not going to be allowed to re-enter
[20:11:22] <Fnord666> case in point
[20:11:23] <Fnord666> http://thehill.com
[20:11:25] <exec> └─ 13ACLU sues White House over immigration ban | TheHill
[20:11:46] <Fnord666> Within hours of signing
[20:12:12] <Fnord666> Definitely needs to be a story
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[20:13:38] <Fnord666> You're looking for timing in the US correct?
[20:13:53] <nick> i think it should be run asap
[20:14:09] <nick> since it's something that's very time sensitive
[20:14:57] <Fnord666> Breaking news?
[20:15:16] <nick> with the green card element, it probably should be
[20:15:44] <Fnord666> Never done one before, but I'm game to help
[20:17:20] <Fnord666> So what's the next step?
[20:20:27] <nick> well, we can either run a new story or i can do a sub for you
[20:21:28] <nick> so either way, everything is the same except adding breaking news in the nexus/topic menu
[20:22:42] <Fnord666> You got something written up?
[20:23:10] <nick> i'll put a sub in now
[20:23:55] <Fnord666> ok
[20:31:35] <nick> should be in the queue
[20:33:01] <Fnord666> k
[20:35:14] <nick> there's a couple more quotes from the NYT article that may be worth including
[20:35:16] <nick> but up to you
[20:35:21] <nick> edit as you see fit
[20:37:00] <takyon> here's a lesson plan for new eds
[20:37:02] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[20:37:05] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft Criticized for Thai Government Certificate; Google Launches Own Root Certificate Authority - SoylentNews
[20:37:12] <takyon> when you see "+digital liberty", what do you do?
[20:37:33] <takyon> you add the topic and remove the text
[20:38:33] <nick> takyon, going to fix it now?
[20:38:44] <Fnord666> i'll fix it. my mistake
[20:38:51] <takyon> i fixed it
[20:39:02] <takyon> just a note for when you see it again
[20:39:19] <Fnord666> I normally catch it. Missed it this time
[20:39:28] <Fnord666> Thanks takyon
[20:39:38] <takyon> k np
[20:40:21] <takyon> we should probably merge those two adjacent immigration stories if we run them
[20:41:05] <nick> the H1B story?
[20:42:51] <nick> i don't see another one, so if that's the case i disagree... they're both immigration stories but very different
[20:43:04] <takyon> it would limit the shitstorm to one area
[20:46:27] <Fnord666> Are we limiting the focus of your story nick to the green card status issue?
[20:46:43] <Fnord666> I know that's the headline right now
[20:46:55] <nick> i would say so, the H1B is 'career and education' and is not particularly time sensitive
[20:46:55] <Fnord666> That's our focus for the story
[20:47:17] <Fnord666> ok
[20:47:32] <nick> the petition is still active until feb 19th
[20:47:36] <nick> so that story can be run on monday or something
[20:47:39] <nick> and nothing will be lost
[20:48:55] <nick> as someone who travels a lot, i might be bias, but the degree of severity and limited overlap does not warrant a merge in my opinion
[20:53:29] <Fnord666> Should we have takyon second it?
[20:53:53] <takyon> second what
[20:54:23] <nick> my opinion was due to the immigration thing affecting people currently in transit, it should jump the queue and be run asap
[20:54:59] <nick> we may have green card holders in the community caught out by the current situation
[20:56:17] <takyon> posted
[20:56:18] <Fnord666> Takyon - I wanted to ask you if you would be the second editor on nick's submission
[20:56:27] <takyon> actually, I became the first editor
[20:56:46] <takyon> do you want it to run later than 6AM EST?
[20:56:58] <takyon> like 8-12
[20:57:24] <nick> i think it should be run now because it's affecting people now
[20:57:31] <Fnord666> I was looking at running it at 4:09pm today
[20:57:54] <Fnord666> But that's why I want your opinion as well.
[20:58:07] <takyon> well, you can move it, and then i'll do some editing on it
[20:58:20] <takyon> i'm fine with that
[20:58:26] <nick> i think it should swap out the seagate story
[20:58:38] <Fnord666> Can do that too
[20:59:09] <nick> timing isn't ideal for general community discussion, being the weekend and all, but i'm looking at it more as a PSA than anything
[20:59:39] <takyon> yeah, check out all those single digit comment counts
[20:59:50] <takyon> of course they may be waiting to scream out about immigration
[20:59:52] <takyon> 100 comments
[21:00:30] <nick> but i wouldn't like to have to say 'well we had the story this weekend, but thought it would be better for the site to delay until prime time to get the best hits/comments out of it'
[21:01:11] <takyon> you don't have to say it
[21:01:19] <takyon> other than the fact that you did, because it's publicly logged
[21:01:35] <nick> i would feel obligated, if there happened to be a comment about how late the story was
[21:01:42] <takyon> what's going on, Fnord666
[21:02:11] <Fnord666> adjusting the time now
[21:02:22] <Fnord666> I have one quote to add also into the story
[21:02:41] <takyon> k
[21:02:52] <takyon> let me know when I can get it
[21:03:49] <Fnord666> all yours
[21:03:58] <nick> thanks both of you... even though it doesn't affect me, i know how stressful it can be when your immigration/visa status is subject to change by things out of your control
[21:04:36] <takyon> we're going to have extreme vetting
[21:04:39] <takyon> of nick's body
[21:04:56] <nick> especially irritated me after the commentary i read yesterday about how this is just about new refugees and it's stupid to make the 'fake news' that it's going to affect green card holders
[21:05:32] <takyon> be prepared to say that in the comments
[21:05:46] <nick> yup
[21:06:03] <Fnord666> takyon please add the "Breaking News" nexus if you would
[21:06:36] <nick> i've been through all the scanners and searches... easy to become accustomed to being a sheep in the herd
[21:06:36] <takyon> k. consolidating paragraphs now
[21:07:05] <takyon> as in removing line breaks
[21:07:06] <nick> takyon, i assume it also irritates you how some outlets like to put each sentence in it's own paragraph
[21:07:17] <Fnord666> no kidding
[21:07:38] <takyon> well if you have ever checked the sources of my submissions, you might have noticed I handle line breaks however I want
[21:07:43] <takyon> BBC is the worst
[21:07:49] <takyon> many one sentence paragraphs
[21:08:24] <nick> takyon, i do the same when editing subs like that, especially from the BBC
[21:08:37] <nick> i don't know why they do it
[21:08:52] <takyon> maybe to keep it easy for everyone to read
[21:08:55] <takyon> as in third graders
[21:09:02] <Fnord666> ouch
[21:10:20] <takyon> changed text at top
[21:10:25] <takyon> check it out
[21:12:44] <takyon> i'll bbl
[21:14:43] <Fnord666> Looks good.
[21:15:00] <Fnord666> I've moved the seagate story
[21:15:55] <Fnord666> You ok with it nick?
[21:16:04] <nick> yup, all looks good to me
[21:16:07] <Fnord666> k.
[21:16:37] <Fnord666> gotta run for a bit as well. back later.
[21:18:38] * nick hat tip Fnord666 takyon
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[22:14:05] <charon_> hiyo editorial
[22:14:56] <charon_> good work on the immigration story nick, Fnord666, and takyon
[22:15:08] <nick> hey charon_
[22:15:56] <nick> apparently it applies to anyone born in the countries listed, even if they're citizens of another country and not dual-nationals
[22:17:47] <nick> source for that is a UK Member of Parliament, co-founder of YouGov who was born in Iraq.
[22:18:30] <charon_> damn. now the question we need to ask is was this intentional that it affects green card holders and native born? or just a lucky coincidence for the donald?
[22:20:29] <nick> wouldn't like to guess... but from what i read on the actual order, which mentions 9/11... it strangely doesn't include any of the countries the hijackers were from.
[22:20:45] <charon_> or not strange at all
[22:21:34] <nick> i really don't know what to think right now
[22:26:55] <charon_> i think the US seems to get more fucked up daily
[22:27:11] <charon_> probably for the best you get out while the getting is good
[22:27:49] <charon_> as a foreign national, who knows what you've been up to in the snowy wastes
[22:27:56] <nick> i'll be on my way in a week
[22:29:06] <nick> i have some kind of default paranoia about that, even as a uk citizen, never been asked so many questions when entering a country as a tourist
[22:30:27] <nick> no matter where i am, always very careful about making sure all my paperwork is in order, but coming to the US it's even more important.
[22:32:15] <nick> considering you don't need a visa, you still have to do all the forms and pay to not have one
[22:32:32] <nick> most other places want a customs form at most
[22:52:56] <charon_> i offer my apologies on behalf of the sane people in the US
[22:53:15] <charon_> there's no way i'd want to travel hear from any foreign country
[22:56:56] <nick> international travel is just no fun anymore
[22:58:35] <nick> 'BREAKING: US State Department confirms that Canadians who are also citizens of blacklisted countries cannot enter the United States'
[22:59:11] <Bytram> nick: do you have a link for that?
[22:59:45] <Bytram> maybe add it to the current green card story as an update?
[23:00:10] <charon_> how the fuck did this happen so quickly? it's like the plan has been circulated for months and everyone was ready when trump flipped the switch?
[23:00:57] <Bytram> from what I've heard, the president issued an 'executive order' that was 'effective immediately'
[23:01:02] <nick> might be a few minutes for a link.
[23:01:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:01:21] <Bytram> very much appreciate the effort!
[23:02:05] <charon_> yeah, but how do the gears of ICE and State and all the fucking airports in the world that have flights to the US get on the same page so quickly?
[23:03:03] <Bytram> that's not th president's problem. he tells the dept heads / cabinet "Do it." and it's up to them to spread the word. I'm sure there was already something in place following 9/11.
[23:03:10] <charon_> close the borders to everyone, let's be north korea for a week
[23:04:15] <charon_> consider a pariah nation with nukes. get your fallout shelters stocked
[23:04:29] <Bytram> scary part is that something like 80% (90%) of US residents are within 100 miles of a 'place of entry' which are all of the US' borders and all int'l airports, IIRC. I thnk the EFF had something on that not too many months ago.
[23:04:36] <charon_> hi everyone, this has been a public service message from gewg_
[23:05:26] <Bytram> oh! thanks for the reminder! In the comments of one of the stories (today?) someone mentioned that the story was about protecting privacy, and yet one of the URLs in the story had a tracker on it.
[23:05:35] <Bytram> I don't recall which one offhand.
[23:05:54] <Bytram> I really ned to eat -- hard to concentrate. back as soon as I can.
[23:05:58] <nick> yeah i saw that too
[23:06:03] * nick hat tip Bytram
[23:06:12] <Bytram> We may have convered here, even.
[23:06:16] <Bytram> okay; afk
[23:06:20] <Bytram> biab
[23:07:39] <nick> http://globalnews.ca
[23:07:40] <exec> └─ 13Canadians who are dual citizens of countries affected by Trump immigration order can’t go to US - National | Globalnews.ca
[23:10:09] <nick> there seems to still be a lack of clarity
[23:10:32] <nick> but according to a UK MP as i mentioned before, place of birth counts.
[23:17:19] <charon_> the tracking part of the URL is my fault since i editied that story. looks like takyon removed it
[23:22:37] <nick> shame on you!
[23:36:12] <charon_> related news: academy award winning director Asghar Farhadi will not be allowed to come to the oscars where his newest film is nominated for best foreign film. he is from Iran
[23:38:07] <nick> apparently notable size protests at a couple of airports now, which i guess is not surprising
[23:41:02] <Bytram> https://www.cnet.com
[23:41:04] <exec> └─ 13Apple's Cook fires back at Trump's immigration ban - CNET
[23:41:15] <Bytram> just found it; have not read it yet
[23:43:56] <Bytram> Looks like Apple is not alone in this: Cook's note follows statements from Google, Facebook, Microsoft and others in tech.
[23:44:30] <Bytram> here is a report about google: https://www.cnet.com
[23:44:32] <exec> └─ 13Google CEO speaks out against Trump's immigration order - CNET
[23:44:39] <Bytram> brb
[23:45:32] <Bytram> that article is apparently based on one from bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com
[23:46:32] <Bytram> and here's a link to a story about Zuckerberg's take on it: https://www.cnet.com
[23:46:34] <exec> └─ 13Zuckerberg criticizes Trump's executive orders on immigration - CNET
[23:46:57] <Bytram> And.. Microsoft's, too: https://www.linkedin.com
[23:46:59] <exec> └─ 13Yesterday's U.S. Executive Order on Immigration
[23:47:25] <nick> there's certainly enough to do a decent update covering the extra information available
[23:48:14] <nick> The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to implement the executive order. "Nobody has any idea what is going on," a senior Homeland Security official told NBC News
[23:51:30] <Bytram> from the bloomberg article: "Microsoft Corp. inserted language in a securities filing on Thursday on the issue, cautioning investors that immigration restrictions "may inhibit our ability to adequately staff our research and development efforts.""
[23:53:22] * nick sigh
[23:57:50] <Bytram> at least, for some of the affected tech workers, telecommuting is an option -- admittedly far from ideal, though.