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[03:26:40] <charon> uh oh, expect a OO_ post any minute now http://www.sciencealert.com
[03:26:41] <exec> └─ 13That thing the Standing Rock protesters were afraid of just happened - ScienceAlert
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[03:29:18] <z> from the conspiracy dept
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[04:26:00] <Fnord666> cmn32480 you around? Got a question
[04:26:47] <Fnord666> or any other eds around?
[04:28:42] <Fnord666> charon you still here?
[04:28:57] <charon> yep, what's up
[04:29:02] <Fnord666> question for you.
[04:29:17] <Fnord666> First line of the top story starts "quietus brings the a report"
[04:29:26] <Fnord666> ok to edit it even though it's live?
[04:29:51] <charon> yeah, for typos like that, probably is ok
[04:30:07] <Fnord666> ok. I know it'll take a little propagation time
[04:30:16] <charon> as long as no one has commented on it
[04:30:23] <Fnord666> and yeah, just a typo
[04:30:24] <charon> hey look, the eds can't spell
[04:30:41] <Fnord666> grammaro?
[04:30:45] <Fnord666> wordo?
[04:30:53] <Fnord666> let me check for comments
[04:32:07] <Fnord666> only 4 so far, nothing about that
[04:32:46] <charon> probably no one will notice. but janrinok posted it, so we can make fun of him
[04:33:10] <Fnord666> yup
[04:33:36] <charon> ordered a new car charger. $230 *sigh*
[04:34:08] <Fnord666> but why does that feel like bringing the gaze of the all seeing eye of Sauron onto your doorstep?
[04:34:32] <Fnord666> Could be worse I guess. Was that from the dealer?
[04:34:37] <charon> ebay
[04:35:03] <charon> amazon has them for something like 360. i bet the dealer would charge 400 easy
[04:35:41] <Fnord666> At the very least. And tell you how the others would invalidate your warranty.
[04:35:52] <charon> of course
[04:35:57] <Fnord666> How do you like your leaf?
[04:36:40] <charon> it's a good little car. it has decent acceleration when i need it, but it's happier at low speeds
[04:37:07] <charon> i drive maybe 75 miles a week tops, so it's perfect for me
[04:37:41] <Fnord666> That's nice and works out well.
[04:37:50] <charon> makes driving like a game, where i try to get as much power regenerated as i can
[04:38:13] <charon> take my foot of the accelerator and coast to a stop
[04:38:27] <charon> at least when there are not impatient people behind me
[04:38:38] <Fnord666> IS there such a time these days?
[04:38:42] <charon> point
[04:39:04] <Fnord666> Brake pads probably last forever then also
[04:39:08] <charon> nah, i'm not the stereotypical prius driver who insists on holing up everyone else
[04:39:15] <charon> holding
[04:39:56] <charon> yep. they say the only maintenace needed is tire rotation and brake inspection every year or so
[04:40:15] <charon> only had it a couple months
[04:40:56] <Fnord666> I remember stories about dealerships trying to sell maintenance contracts, going over all of the things it will cover, like spark plugs, timing belt, etc.
[04:41:12] <Fnord666> You like it so far?
[04:41:26] <charon> yeah. i am quite happy with it
[04:41:42] <charon> for the first couple weeks i was nervous about how far i could get on a charge
[04:41:52] <Fnord666> Can you get a full week out of it?
[04:42:15] <charon> yes
[04:42:28] <Fnord666> I'm assuming it can fully charge overnight?
[04:43:05] <charon> it can, but only if you have the high powered charger installed with 240V. i live in an apt, so i don't have that
[04:43:21] <Fnord666> Ah. How long on 120V?
[04:43:32] <charon> i charge at work, maybe 3 times/2 weeks
[04:43:38] <Fnord666> And an apt might be a bit of a problem.
[04:43:54] <charon> roughly 27 hours from empty at 120V
[04:44:04] <Fnord666> Throw an extension cord over the balcony? :-)
[04:44:21] <charon> hah, more like across the street
[04:44:55] <charon> my boss doesn't mid if i charge at work, and until today there was no problem.
[04:44:56] <Fnord666> bummer. At least you can charge at work as long as someone doesn't run over your charger.
[04:45:09] <charon> i need to figure out how to not have that happen again
[04:45:13] <Fnord666> That's pretty cool of them.
[04:45:31] <charon> wellll... HIS boss might not be the most happy if he knew
[04:46:11] <Fnord666> They probably use more electricity in a display case.
[04:46:13] <charon> but luckily, he never comes down to our end of the store, so yay
[04:46:19] <charon> true that
[04:47:11] <Fnord666> maybe some kind of cord keeper that you can attach to the cord, then hook to the underside of the car so it doesn't get pulled outward?
[04:48:03] <charon> something like that. the cord itself would be just fine, it's only the box i need to keep in place
[04:48:16] <Fnord666> Is that on the end of the cord?
[04:48:20] <charon> bungee cords to the rescue
[04:48:30] <charon> yeah, it's close to the plug end
[04:48:48] <charon> so where i have it plugged into the extension cord
[04:49:30] <charon> https://www.amazon.com
[04:50:13] <Fnord666> got it.
[04:50:21] <Fnord666> is this a new leaf?
[04:50:31] <charon> yes, 2016
[04:51:01] <charon> but i leased. in 3 years when technology has improved, i may get what is new then
[04:51:19] <Fnord666> nice. I ask because I glanced at an article in a search that allowed older leaf owners to pick up a newer charger at a reduced cost
[04:51:45] <Fnord666> but yours is newer than the ones they were talking about.
[04:51:52] <charon> ah
[04:52:14] <Fnord666> I like the amazon listing with an estimated $479 installation cost!
[04:52:47] <charon> yeah, i have no idea what the hell that's abot
[04:52:53] <Fnord666> damn those cords are expensive
[04:53:07] <Fnord666> I think that is for a charging station
[04:53:12] <charon> must be
[04:53:28] <charon> that is supposed to be done by a real electrician
[04:53:46] <Fnord666> yeah especially if it's 240V
[04:55:11] <charon> i tried to talk my landlord's wife into getting a leaf too, then she'd want the charging station, then i could angle to use it myself. but alas, didn't work
[04:56:14] <Fnord666> Worth a shot. I'm assuming there's a tax incentive also?
[04:56:42] <charon> for the car, yes. a huge one. something like 10k between federal and state
[04:57:40] <Fnord666> That makes it a lot more reasonable.
[04:58:19] <charon> when i was talking finance with the dealer, they took that off the sticker price before working numbers.
[04:58:42] <Fnord666> Even better. No sales tax on it.
[04:59:14] <Fnord666> I onder how long before all new construction includes a wired charging station in the garage.
[04:59:19] <Fnord666> wonder
[04:59:29] <charon> i swear i read an article about that recently
[04:59:38] <charon> maybe it was europe
[04:59:56] <Fnord666> If I were building I think I would have it installed.
[05:00:37] <Fnord666> Especially when the electrician is there already and it wouldn't be much additional work in the grand scheme
[05:00:43] <charon> http://www.greencarreports.com
[05:00:45] <exec> └─ 13CA To Require New Buildings To Be Prepped For Electric-Car Charging Stations
[05:01:10] <charon> it would be california
[05:01:16] <Fnord666> Should have known CA
[05:02:08] <charon> plus my landlord already has solar panels on the roof. it would make it more or less free
[05:02:55] <Fnord666> Gotta love free energy
[05:03:46] <charon> i'm a fan
[05:04:10] <Fnord666> You remind me of a guy I know at work.
[05:04:32] <charon> uh oh. one of those crazy guys who goes all evangelical?
[05:04:32] <Fnord666> Been selling juice back to the electric co for years.
[05:04:39] <Fnord666> no, not at all
[05:04:45] <Fnord666> in a good way reminds
[05:04:50] <charon> heheh
[05:05:05] <Fnord666> waited 19 months to buy a tesla
[05:05:29] <Fnord666> still oves it.
[05:05:32] <Fnord666> loves
[05:05:32] <charon> if it were in my price range, i would have gotten a tesla
[05:05:49] <Fnord666> yeah, that's the thing with teslas
[05:06:19] <Fnord666> looks like they are having growing pains trying to downscale into the middle market also
[05:06:53] <charon> still early days. i bet in a few more years they'll be fine
[05:07:26] <charon> and they have enough fanatics to keep them in business until they get the price down for the normal folks
[05:07:55] <Fnord666> As long as the tax incentives continue also
[05:08:16] <charon> true. if that goes away, no one will be buying
[05:10:13] <Fnord666> There's some that will but if you want to get the majority of the market, the cards will need to be competitive in price
[05:10:20] <Fnord666> cars that is
[05:10:56] <charon> plus range plus charging infrastructure
[05:11:09] <charon> all three of those have to work together
[05:11:45] <charon> i can get away with the leaf that goes ~120 mi/charge, but a lot of people cannot
[05:12:28] <charon> i'm not a fanatic, but i have done some reading and thinking
[05:12:39] <Fnord666> I can't see employers providing 300 charging stations in the parking lot either
[05:12:43] <charon> unless this is how fanaticism begins
[05:13:01] <Fnord666> How do you boil a frog? :-)
[05:13:30] * charon takes the temperature of the water he's in. 180 degrees, just right!
[05:13:45] <Fnord666> perfect.
[05:13:57] <Fnord666> I can see it taking off in Europe much sooner
[05:14:24] <Fnord666> I expect daily commutes are much shorter, whether by distance or my available mass transit
[05:15:23] <Fnord666> An insane change in the energy density of batteries would do it, or an insane change in the price of crude oil
[05:15:23] <charon> yeah. plus, not a lot of people feel the need for a large peni-- i mean truck
[05:16:16] <Fnord666> There must be a lot of "little man" syndrome around this part of the country because "rolling coal" is the new hip thing here.
[05:16:34] <charon> fuck. i have heard of that, but never encountered it
[05:16:49] <Fnord666> With dualies in the rear if possible.
[05:17:05] <charon> where abouts are you?
[05:17:09] <Fnord666> Ohio
[05:17:22] <charon> Boston MA here
[05:17:40] <charon> but i grew up in WI, so i'm a midwesterner at heart
[05:17:45] <Fnord666> My younger daughter is in high school and every fourth vehicle in the parking lot is a truck
[05:18:20] <Fnord666> of course a lot of them actually get used as trucks also.
[05:18:40] <Fnord666> They aren't cadillac trucks by any means
[05:19:09] <Fnord666> Sounds like you're no stranger to snow then
[05:19:48] <charon> actually milwaukee never got huge snows because it's right by the lake. sure some, but not monster blizzards
[05:20:58] <Fnord666> interesting. Doesn't Chicago get hammered?
[05:21:31] <charon> i guess it does. maybe coming around the southern end of the lake does something to the weather pattern
[05:21:56] <Fnord666> Something.
[05:22:32] <Fnord666> Boston seems to get some interesting snowfalls
[05:22:36] <charon> i miss the thunderstorms in summertime
[05:22:53] <charon> feast of famine, around here
[05:22:58] <charon> or
[05:24:00] <Fnord666> I recall seeing them chuting the snow into dump trucks to take to the bay to dump
[05:24:05] <charon> three years ago, almost nothing. two years ago, all winter in a month. last year, below normal such that there was a drought all spring
[05:24:30] <Fnord666> Yeah, it's been odd the last couple of years.
[05:24:43] <Fnord666> I think I plowed the driveway ocne last year.
[05:24:47] <charon> two years ago, we got a storm every 3-4 dyas. about 8-12 inches each. it was a wild
[05:24:47] <Fnord666> once
[05:25:07] <Fnord666> now that's some snow
[05:25:41] <Fnord666> That might have been when I saw the videos because they had no where else to put the plowed snow
[05:25:42] <charon> one of my boss' friends owned some vacant land, the city paid him a huge amount to let them dump snow there
[05:26:25] <Fnord666> Gotta do what you gotta do.
[05:26:37] <charon> usually dumping snow into the bay is illegal. they had no choice that year
[05:27:01] <Fnord666> yeah the alt, runoff, silt, etc. is probably really bad for the bay.
[05:27:05] <charon> ayep
[05:27:07] <Fnord666> alt = salt
[05:28:24] <Fnord666> I grew up in ohio and I remember many families had snowmobiles and enough winter to make them practical.
[05:29:34] <charon> i like snow, as long as i don't have to be out in it all day
[05:30:01] <Fnord666> I spent three days on a snowmobile with my Dad during the blizzard of '78 running food, fuel, and checking on shut-ins in the township
[05:30:39] <Fnord666> No one went anywhere but by snowmobile for a while there.
[05:30:49] <Fnord666> I imagine that's what Alaska is like every winter.
[05:31:12] <charon> i bet. when a blizzard gets referred to by year, it must have been a doozy
[05:31:44] <charon> i vaguely recall a huge blizzard in Milw in 79, but i was very young
[05:31:52] <Fnord666> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:31:53] <exec> └─ 13Great Blizzard of 1978 - Wikipedia
[05:32:16] <charon> huh, maybe it was this one
[05:32:46] <Fnord666> Particularly hard hit were the states of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and southeast Wisconsin where up to 40 inches (102 cm) of snow fell. Winds gusting up to 100 miles per hour (161 km/h) caused drifts that nearly buried some homes. Wind chill values reached −60 °F (−51 °C) across much of Ohio where 51 of the total 70 storm-related deaths occurred
[05:33:14] <charon> sheeeit, and you went out in that? or after?
[05:33:23] <Fnord666> That was after.
[05:33:28] <Fnord666> that we went out
[05:34:00] <Fnord666> I went outside briefly to get firewood. The wood pile was 30 feet from the house. Couldn't see it.
[05:34:29] <charon> wild
[05:34:35] <Fnord666> Dad tied a rope around my waist so I could find my way back. At the wood pile I couldn't see the house.
[05:34:57] <charon> sounds like antarctica
[05:35:29] <Fnord666> It does except they know what they're doing.
[05:35:44] <Fnord666> And deal with it all the time.
[05:35:50] <charon> must be this one that i have faint memories of. my mom had a coffee mug that said "i survived the blizzard of 78"
[05:35:59] <Fnord666> This was a once in a lifetime "I hope" event.
[05:36:51] <Fnord666> That would be it.
[05:37:16] <Fnord666> You would get to houses and have to guess where the door was because the whole side of the house was under drifted show.
[05:38:47] <charon> yeah, i'll pass on that
[05:39:18] <Fnord666> Me too if given the choice again.
[05:39:33] <Fnord666> So what brought you to Boston?
[05:39:50] <Fnord666> if you don't mind me asking
[05:40:03] <charon> my ex (then wife) got a job offer here that was too good to pass up
[05:40:27] <charon> and there was not a lot keeping us in Mpls
[05:41:19] <charon> it's not a bad place, but i'm not attached to it.
[05:41:32] <Fnord666> Seems like a nice city. I haven't lived there though.
[05:41:43] <charon> if not for my kids being here, i'd probably move back to minneapolis
[05:42:29] <Fnord666> That's tough.
[05:43:04] <charon> eh, i normally hate this phrase but: it is what it is.
[05:43:23] <Fnord666> yup
[05:43:55] <charon> we get along tolerably well; our breakup was not really acrimonious
[05:44:05] <Fnord666> That's good at least.
[05:45:37] <charon> you've always lived in OH?
[05:46:32] <Fnord666> Almost my whole life. We spent a couple of years in Illinois when my Dad was in college and I spent 4 years in the army
[05:47:31] <Fnord666> Went to college in Ohio as well.
[05:47:32] <charon> i have only ever passed through. i cannot recall ever stopping in your fair state (sorry)
[05:47:47] <Fnord666> here's what you missing
[05:48:01] <Fnord666> corn, corn,corn,corn,corn,trooper,corn,corn,corn
[05:48:04] <charon> lol
[05:48:23] <charon> popcorn?
[05:48:50] <Fnord666> field corn and sweet corn mostly. Soybeans on alternate years
[05:49:27] <Fnord666> Lots of hay fields
[05:49:34] <charon> a college friend was fron KS. he always said, "as boring as you think it is, it's even worse than that"
[05:49:54] <Fnord666> All of that is more to the north where the glaciers scraped things flat
[05:50:23] <Fnord666> southeast gets towards West Virginia and coal
[05:50:47] <Fnord666> and forest/logging
[05:50:57] <Fnord666> at least in years past
[05:51:33] <Fnord666> yeah, I picture KS being exactly like that.
[05:52:08] <charon> huh, i guess the SW part is in appalachia.
[05:52:13] <charon> sorry, SE
[05:52:30] <Fnord666> I've been out to the west coast but not much between the rockies and the mississippi
[05:52:57] <Fnord666> oh yes, SE is definitely in the "row faster, I hear banjos" territory.
[05:53:03] <charon> rofl
[05:54:00] <charon> i've lived in milwaukee, minneapolis, and boston. taken a short couple trips to CA. but not seen much in between
[05:54:32] <charon> one of these days i want to see Yellowstone before the caldera blows and kills us all
[05:54:49] <Fnord666> me too
[05:55:11] <charon> road trip!
[05:55:26] <Fnord666> there you go!
[05:55:44] <charon> lets see, i can drive for two hours before i need to charge for 8...
[05:55:55] <charon> i'll be by to pick you up in about 3 weeks
[05:56:00] <Fnord666> lol
[05:56:37] <Fnord666> I could get over that way a lot faster on the motorcycle, but it's a bit chilly out...
[05:56:57] <charon> goggles
[05:57:02] <charon> goretex
[05:57:18] <Fnord666> and heated pants/socks/vest/gloves/seat/grips
[05:57:50] <Fnord666> but two wheels and ice do not get along without spikes of some sort
[05:57:53] <charon> my car has a heated steering wheel. if you had asked me two months ago, i would have said that was stupid, but i love it now
[05:58:10] <Fnord666> that would be nice.
[05:58:16] <charon> so i see why you'd want the grips on your bike heated
[05:58:51] <Fnord666> It's amazing what a difference that makes. It might only be psychological..
[06:00:23] <charon> i have only turned on interior the heat to defrost the window. so far i have not really needed it
[06:01:01] <Fnord666> I wonder how that impacts the range?
[06:01:12] <charon> significantly.
[06:01:55] <charon> there a real time guage that shows expected mileage, and when i turn on the heat it drops by ~10%
[06:02:45] <Fnord666> presumably it has AC?
[06:02:53] <charon> yes
[06:03:10] <charon> but i got it in oct. have not needed it yet
[06:03:11] <Fnord666> Different type of drain on the system though.
[06:03:23] <charon> something something heat pump
[06:03:35] <Fnord666> oh really? Interesting.
[06:03:58] <Fnord666> So it would be comparable to the heating drain then.
[06:04:01] <charon> i'd have to look at the specs again. i don't pretend to know what that is
[06:05:21] <charon> oh, looks like the same device is run in reverse for each operation
[06:05:21] <Fnord666> It's just like running the heater in reverse to provide cooling.
[06:05:51] <Fnord666> Yep. as a heater it extracts heat from outside and radiates it inside.
[06:06:04] <charon> In heating mode, heat pumps are three to four times more efficient in their use of electric power than simple electrical resistance heaters
[06:06:07] <Fnord666> does the opposite for cooling
[06:06:14] <charon> --wikipedia
[06:06:22] <Fnord666> I can definitely vouch for that
[06:06:33] <Fnord666> We have a heat pump for the house.
[06:07:08] <Fnord666> Once the temp drops below a certain point though heat pumps basically stop working and some sort of supplemental heating has to kick in
[06:07:22] <Fnord666> Normally that is an electrical resistance heater.
[06:07:32] <Fnord666> built into the furnace.
[06:07:54] <Fnord666> when it kicks on you can almost use the electric meter for a table saw it's spinning so fast.
[06:07:56] <charon> the manual recommends having a block heater if it is going to be super cold
[06:08:06] <charon> hah
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[06:08:47] <charon> because the battery chemicals can freeze
[06:08:48] <Fnord666> A block heater is not a bad idea for any vehicle with oil that operates in subzero temps.
[06:09:05] <Fnord666> does the leaf have oil at all?
[06:09:14] <charon> but not until sustained temps of IIRC -14?
[06:09:20] <charon> nope
[06:09:34] <Fnord666> I wasn't sure,
[06:10:09] <Fnord666> Probably something like that temp, yes.
[06:10:25] <Fnord666> I would think the charging would keep the battery pack warm.
[06:10:51] <Fnord666> but I don't know that much about the batteries in EVs
[06:10:56] <charon> yep, for people who plug in all night, it's generally not a problem
[06:11:06] <Fnord666> you on the other hand...
[06:11:13] <charon> yeah
[06:11:14] <Fnord666> probably parked outside?
[06:11:31] <charon> yep, so i have some trepidation about how winter will go
[06:12:15] <charon> i don't work until noon though, so i won't usually have to get it started at the coldest part of the day
[06:12:35] <Fnord666> That's good.
[06:13:23] <Fnord666> Well I just realized it's after 1am so I better get some sleep.
[06:13:32] <Fnord666> It's been good talking to you.
[06:13:36] <charon> likewaise
[06:13:45] <charon> skip that a
[06:13:57] <charon> take care and sleep well
[06:13:58] <Fnord666> I'll chat with you tomorrow.
[06:14:01] <Fnord666> you too.
[06:14:07] <Fnord666> ~gnight charon
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[06:14:14] <charon> ~gnight Fnord666
[06:14:15] * exec inadequately combines a shitload of windows with Fnord666
[06:14:23] <charon> tie
[06:14:29] <Fnord666> meh. Call it a push.
[06:14:34] <Fnord666> :-)
[06:14:40] <Fnord666> night.
[06:14:43] <charon> night
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[13:00:02] <exec> └─ 13Europe's own satnav Galileo goes live (Update)
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[18:18:33] <janrinok> ~gday soylentils
[18:18:35] * exec metrosexually ships a BTRFS volume of ice cream with soylentils
[18:23:08] <Bytram> janrinok: g'day!
[18:23:26] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram - washing and ironing today?
[18:23:28] * exec derisively inserts The Cloud of TopKek into Bytram
[18:23:47] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok \
[18:23:48] * exec emphatically instantiates a dong of Johnny Moo Milk Drops for janrinok
[18:23:52] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[18:23:53] * exec dexterously fires a boot of pre-snorted fridge mold at cmn32480
[18:24:23] * Bytram was reading a story on Ars in the past couple days and saw a phenomenal infographic on global warming... vertical time line... from (guesing) 20k years ago to present... looked like a link to an xkcd graphic, but can't find it now.
[18:24:48] <janrinok> not seen, so I can't help
[18:24:55] <Bytram> janrinok: laundry is done, dishes are clean, lunch awaits preparation.
[18:25:01] <cmn32480> global warming is a natural phenomenon
[18:25:04] <janrinok> what are you having?
[18:25:10] <Bytram> oh, wait... think it was tuesday I saw it.
[18:25:11] <Bytram> I dunnoyet
[18:25:14] <cmn32480> man is irrelevant
[18:30:11] <janrinok> cmn32480, I thought you might follow that statement with a link or a train of thought?
[18:30:43] <cmn32480> I like trains
[18:30:49] <janrinok> lol
[18:30:50] <cmn32480> TOOT TOOT!
[18:30:54] <janrinok> choo choo!
[18:31:19] * janrinok thinks that they no longer make either of those noises
[18:31:31] <cmn32480> especially Steamy's... those diesels aren't as fun
[18:31:42] <Bytram> chew chew -- is really time for me to find something to eat... back in a bit
[18:32:02] <Bytram> FOUND IT!
[18:32:04] <Bytram> https://xkcd.com
[18:32:05] <exec> └─ 13xkcd: Earth Temperature Timeline
[18:34:09] <janrinok> good find Bytram
[18:34:46] <Bytram> thanks! even though I was pretty sure I knew what was coming, it blew me away with how abrupt the change was
[18:35:31] <cmn32480> my fingers are too tired to scroll that far... I on;y got to 3000BCE before I lost interest
[18:35:46] <janrinok> the last few years are very telling
[18:36:24] * Bytram offers cmn32480 a Pg-Dn key... or middle click and just watch it scroll
[18:37:01] * cmn32480 is now rested adn keeps scrolling
[18:37:36] <Bytram> lol
[18:37:48] <Bytram> ok, gtg...biab
[18:39:52] <cmn32480> so how are thigns janrinok ?
[18:40:36] <janrinok> When P666 does a major post on the Thursday, it usually means he won't post again until after the weekend.... Shame, we might have to work a bit
[18:41:00] <janrinok> my thigns are OK. You got that server up and running yet?
[18:41:08] <cmn32480> Exec adn Arthur are cooperating
[18:41:22] <cmn32480> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[18:41:24] <exec> └─ 13Storybot - SoylentNews
[18:41:54] <cmn32480> it si getting there.
[18:42:00] <cmn32480> the production box is running
[18:42:08] <cmn32480> I cloned to test last night
[18:42:15] <cmn32480> and haven't had a chance to touch it today.
[18:42:34] <janrinok> I think I am going to delete a Runaway 1956 story - it looks more like a recipe for another political disaster slanging match
[18:42:50] <cmn32480> which one?
[18:42:58] <cmn32480> he subbed 2 that were gonna go that way
[18:43:19] <cmn32480> therapy or the NYPD arerst?
[18:43:44] <janrinok> NYPD arrest
[18:43:58] <janrinok> I can't see any useful discussion arising from it
[18:44:21] <cmn32480> nope
[18:44:23] <cmn32480> me neither
[18:44:38] <janrinok> deleted
[18:44:47] <janrinok> with explanation to R1956 of course
[18:45:11] <janrinok> is the therapy story any better?
[18:45:23] <cmn32480> subbed via MrPlow... you sent a separeate message?
[18:45:36] <cmn32480> it made me giggle
[18:45:40] <cmn32480> but no, not really
[18:45:52] <janrinok> ah no, never mind
[18:46:32] <janrinok> that is something to look at for a software change in the future - we've got the messaging system but can't use it
[18:47:10] <cmn32480> huh?
[18:47:20] * cmn32480 doens't fdollow
[18:47:46] <janrinok> well, if it gets subbed by r1956 via MrPlow, the software knows who submitted the story, but you are suggesting that it will message MrPlow
[18:47:57] <cmn32480> correct
[18:48:16] <cmn32480> we woudl ahve to use the Admin->User messaging on the user page to send the message in taht instance
[18:48:19] <janrinok> well, if it knows who sent it, it should be changed to message the submitter?
[18:48:50] <cmn32480> that;d be a question for paulej72 or TheMightyBuzzard
[18:48:57] <janrinok> zactly!
[18:49:30] <cmn32480> but as MrPlow logs in adn subs the story, I don't think it possible
[18:49:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, correct
[18:50:04] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[18:50:07] <cmn32480> I got one right!
[18:50:10] <cmn32480> first time today
[18:50:22] <janrinok> if the software parses the text it says 'submitted by Runaway1956' - I think there might be a clue there
[18:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, i can't log in as runaway1956 though
[18:51:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> well mrplow can't
[18:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i'm loathe to build in submitting on someone else's behalf to the code.
[18:51:43] <janrinok> OK, understood.
[18:52:15] <cmn32480> so we are back to my suggestion of using the admin->user messaaging
[18:52:25] <janrinok> too late now - I've deleted it
[18:53:06] <cmn32480> POOF!
[18:53:13] <janrinok> so submitting by exec or MrPlow doesn't get you any karma either?
[18:53:24] <cmn32480> correct
[18:53:31] <cmn32480> it gets MrPlow Karma
[18:53:32] <Bytram> nope
[18:53:35] <cmn32480> exec subs as AC
[18:53:53] <Bytram> I should be able to retrieve the submission...
[18:54:11] <janrinok> I'm not particularly fussed Bytram
[18:54:49] <Bytram> could prolly just go to the user's page and scroll down to his submissions
[18:54:53] <janrinok> it doesn't affect R1956's karma, it won't show up in his declined story list, I suspect he won't even notice
[18:55:03] <Bytram> oh, yeah. nvm
[18:55:38] <janrinok> it might be something to think about if we want to encourage others to use it
[18:56:35] <Bytram> fwiw: https://soylentnews.org
[18:56:37] <exec> └─ 13NYPD arrests Muslim girl who claimed attack by Trump supporters | Fox News: SoylentNews Submission
[18:57:55] <cmn32480> damnint.. we already deleted that
[18:57:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, we don't want to encourage others to use it though. we want to encourage them to submit in a form that causes you lot less work.
[18:58:17] <Bytram> the &title... stuff is optional. so, could conceptually do: for ($subid=17470; $subid<=17480; $subid++) {launch https://soylentnews.org}
[18:58:19] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[18:58:24] <janrinok> Understood, but when we have an empty queue, anything is better than nothing
[18:58:53] * Bytram has plenty of nothing, cause nothing is plenty for me
[18:58:55] * Bytram hums
[18:59:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp. mrplow subs at least are meant by me to be a last ditch line of stuff for yall to dig through when ya got nothing else.
[19:00:05] <janrinok> we prolly use more of them than you imagine, buy point taken
[19:00:10] <janrinok> but*
[19:00:12] <Bytram> if you'd like to include that xkcd infographic in a story, it was posted in a comment in reply to: http://arstechnica.com
[19:00:14] <exec> └─ 13Trump claims “nobody really knows” what climate scientists definitely know | Ars Technica
[19:01:38] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - I woudl guess that minus P666, 60% of what you see on the main page gets subbed via exec, MrPLow, or Arthur
[19:01:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh
[19:02:37] * Bytram usually subs a couple three stories a month
[19:02:58] <cmn32480> and we run between 12 adn 18 per day
[19:05:04] <cmn32480> is it bad that I cringe every time the guy in the next office gets up because he makes the building shake?
[19:06:05] <Bytram> is the building that unstructurally sound or is he that heavy? Or both?
[19:06:31] <cmn32480> definetly #2... possibly #1
[19:07:07] <Bytram> move your office nearer the [outside] wall
[19:07:18] <cmn32480> I'm in a corner office already
[19:07:29] <Bytram> Orly? YIKES!
[19:07:34] <cmn32480> tyhankfully we are on the second floor of a 2 story building
[19:08:03] <Bytram> why is that better? I'd think being on the ground floor would reduce the vibration
[19:08:05] <Bytram> brb
[19:08:14] <janrinok> so falling 20' onto collapsing rubble is easy?
[19:08:36] <cmn32480> if the building collapses, I won't bu UNDER the concrete floor
[19:09:00] <janrinok> you will be falling 20' onto it - piece of cake :~)
[19:09:27] <cmn32480> nah... 10-12'
[19:09:39] <janrinok> I like your optimism
[19:10:21] * Bytram prepares helium-filled water wings for cmn32480
[19:10:35] <janrinok> lol
[19:10:46] * cmn32480 is starting to grow feathers, just in case
[19:11:09] * Bytram grabs a feather and puts it in his hat
[19:11:21] <janrinok> what he needs is water filled balloons - someone I know submitted a story about dropping them onto a bed of nails, no problems
[19:11:53] <Bytram> no doubt the water balloon was made of kevlar
[19:12:08] <janrinok> yet still it survived!
[19:12:37] <janrinok> ... or land on top of the fat man that caused it all
[19:13:04] <cmn32480> long as I survive... I'm good
[19:13:36] <janrinok> start giving him that look which suggests that he needs to be careful of you in times of accident.
[19:13:52] <cmn32480> I've known the guy 10 years...
[19:14:11] <Bytram> that's a lot of cringing
[19:14:14] <janrinok> so no problem with hatching a cover story to explain why you are sticking so close to him - perfect
[19:14:59] <cmn32480> if I stay far, I'll prolly be safeer
[19:15:16] <janrinok> one extreme of the other looks good
[19:15:20] <janrinok> or*#
[19:15:33] <Bytram> have HIM work from home
[19:16:10] <Bytram> ugh.
[19:16:49] <Bytram> p666 has learned to "view source" and submit his subs with links that are imbeded in a story...
[19:17:03] <cmn32480> yep
[19:17:08] <cmn32480> works out only a portion of the time
[19:17:35] <Bytram> but... that means the phys.org stories get their IMHO gratuitous links to things like: <a href="http://phys.org/tags/surface+water/" title="phys.org">surface water</a>
[19:17:37] <exec> └─ 13404 Error - The Page Cannot be Found
[19:17:50] <cmn32480> right. Those links shoudl be pulled
[19:17:55] <cmn32480> duh?
[19:18:09] <Bytram> yeah, but I'm 2nding a story and found one
[19:18:17] <cmn32480> who firsted it?
[19:18:32] <Bytram> JR
[19:18:39] <cmn32480> ~blame
[19:18:40] * exec points at Bytram
[19:18:48] * Bytram holds up a mirror
[19:18:57] <janrinok> it worked for me, and it links to pages about water
[19:19:01] <Bytram> fixed
[19:19:01] * cmn32480 gets popcorn for the battel fo the Titans
[19:19:43] <Bytram> was it actually worth retaining? I'm not saying the link gave a 404, but rather whenever I saw such links I took em to be less than useful
[19:19:44] * cmn32480 thigks that the point is not that it works... it is that it points to a realtievly uselss page
[19:19:55] <Bytram> cmn32480++ gets it
[19:19:55] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 80
[19:20:03] <cmn32480> WOO HOO!\
[19:20:10] <cmn32480> I got 2 thigns rtright today!
[19:20:11] <Bytram> !woop
[19:20:11] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[19:20:22] <cmn32480> /me thinks he is porbably dipping into the total for next year
[19:20:23] <janrinok> I assessed that link as being relevant - but no matter.
[19:20:45] <Bytram> oh, my bad then.
[19:20:51] <janrinok> it was all to do with the environment and losing topsoil and other resources.
[19:20:51] <Bytram> please accept my humble apologies
[19:21:09] <Bytram> I can restore if you'd like
[19:21:10] <janrinok> np Bytram - if you think it wasn't helping, bin it
[19:21:26] <Bytram> didn't even foloow the link
[19:21:45] <janrinok> I wasn't in love with it - but I had noted that it was one of their library links
[19:21:53] <Bytram> past eperience had dubbed them to be of no value, in my estimation, just assumed the same, here
[19:22:03] <janrinok> as I say, np
[19:22:06] <Bytram> k
[19:23:23] <cmn32480> that was far entertianing than I had hoped
[19:23:31] * cmn32480 puts away the popcormn
[19:37:24] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[19:37:25] <exec> └─ 13404 Error - The Page Cannot be Found
[19:41:35] <charon> hiyo
[19:41:48] * charon considers looking at the backscroll
[19:41:56] <cmn32480> make like a tree... and leaf
[19:42:27] <janrinok> ~gday charon you have arrived just in time to see me prepare to leave
[19:42:28] * exec hideously requisitions a buttcrack of ether for charon
[19:42:35] <cmn32480> ~gday charon's car
[19:42:36] * exec literally embiggens a tube of fries with charon's
[19:42:42] <cmn32480> how the car?
[19:42:50] <janrinok> new car?
[19:42:51] <cmn32480> half full?
[19:43:38] <cmn32480> charon has a Nissna Leaf...
[19:43:49] <cmn32480> had it plugged in at work, and somebody ran over his charger
[19:44:01] * janrinok is trying not to lol
[19:44:18] <charon> hush you
[19:44:22] <cmn32480> I didn't bother trying
[19:44:32] * cmn32480 giggles with the memory
[19:44:36] <charon> car is fine, i ordered a replacememnt charger last night
[19:44:49] <charon> $230
[19:44:55] <cmn32480> now the race is on... do you get the charger, or run out of juice first!
[19:45:04] <janrinok> I think my car cost less than that
[19:45:05] <Bytram> that's like 100 gal of gas, right?
[19:45:12] <charon> it's going to be tight, but i think the charger will arrive in time
[19:45:31] * cmn32480 suddenly hears the jeopardy theme
[19:45:32] * Bytram makes clip clop sounds with two coconut halves
[19:46:02] * janrinok notes two coconuts riding away
[19:46:09] <Bytram> charon: but seriously, sorry to hear about yer charger problem -- makes things a bit more "interesting" -- especially during this busy time of the year
[19:46:14] <cmn32480> if it doens't.. he can accurately bring the car out when somebody says "Bring out your dead!"
[19:46:38] <Bytram> e's not dead, e's pining for the fjiords!
[19:46:48] <charon> i'll just have it towed to the top of Mt Washington and let the regenerative brakes power me up
[19:46:56] <Bytram> LOL!
[19:47:15] * cmn32480 notes that you will need new brakes after donig that once or twice
[19:47:36] <cmn32480> the car just need to get amped up
[19:47:49] <Bytram> maybe do a feris beuler with a motor shaft pressed again a tire?
[19:48:04] <Bytram> umm, electric motor
[19:48:44] <charon> hmm, too much messing around. i have about 2/3 charge now, so i think i can make it through the weekend. i don't drive much
[19:49:33] <Bytram> there's always the option of getting a rental car... IIRC Enterprise will pick you up, bring you to their office, have you sign the forms (and drop off the car bringer)
[19:50:05] <charon> if i must, i must. honestly, my dealer might help me out in a case like this, i haven't called them yet
[19:50:09] <cmn32480> and see if managemetn cna look at the video to see what ashole ran it over
[19:50:57] <charon> the thing is, management doesn't exactly know i do it. my direct boss looks the other way, but i don't want to risk having the store manager telling me i can't do it
[19:51:24] <janrinok> is it covered by your insurance?
[19:51:44] <charon> doubtful. it's not actually a part of the car
[19:52:00] <charon> it's a seperate plug in cord
[19:52:22] <cmn32480> then eat the $230 and move on
[19:52:30] <charon> aye
[19:52:44] <janrinok> yup, but everything I own is covered by some insurance, be it car, home and contents, or my special policies for my computers
[19:52:52] <Bytram> today is what you'all would call 'Friday' -- I think I'm gonna take a nap.
[19:52:58] <charon> i've set up a gofundme page, if you guys would like to contribute
[19:53:15] * Bytram offers 10% of his editorial salary
[19:53:30] <cmn32480> janrinok - the deductable isn't worth the cost or change in rates for a small item like this
[19:53:46] <janrinok> I'll give you all of my December's salary plus my Christmas bonus from SN
[19:53:56] <charon> you guys are too good
[19:54:00] <janrinok> we know
[19:54:13] <Bytram> we're too mdest, too
[19:54:20] <Bytram> s/m/mo/
[19:54:21] <exec> <Bytram> we're too modest, too
[19:54:40] <janrinok> have a godd nap Bytram - I'm going in a few minutes
[19:54:42] <janrinok> good*
[19:55:02] <charon> oh, janrinok. before you go: did you display that story i left a note about?
[19:55:21] <Bytram> janrinok: give my best to S -- always good to see you and to partake of your seasoned sensibilities and perspective -- espcially during this especially hectic time of year for me!
[19:55:35] <janrinok> charon - yes, but remind me
[19:55:50] <charon> oh i see it now, takyon took it
[19:56:00] <cmn32480> THIEF!
[19:56:04] <janrinok> Bytram, you take care and I'll speak to you soon I hope
[19:56:13] <janrinok> which story
[19:56:14] * Bytram would *like* that
[19:56:29] <janrinok> S says {{{bytram}}}
[19:56:35] <charon> https://soylentnews.org
[19:56:36] <exec> └─ 13Error
[19:57:03] * cmn32480 waves to S and gives janrinok the hand
[19:57:06] <Bytram> lol
[19:57:11] <janrinok> got to log in to read that link
[19:57:34] <charon> oh, sorry. man found not guilty of shooting cops while defending home
[19:57:39] <janrinok> {{{cmn32480}}} too from S
[19:57:49] <Bytram> {{{{ S }}}
[19:57:52] <janrinok> charon, nope, not seen
[19:57:53] <Bytram> {{{{ JR }}}}
[19:58:17] <janrinok> thanks - I've got less than 2 minutes left
[19:59:13] <janrinok> ah, OK, I'll read it in a moment
[19:59:23] * charon gives janrinok and S non-demonstrative friendly but not too familiar pats on the shoulder
[19:59:47] <janrinok> charon, thx - I'm sure that things will change over time, at least I hope so!
[20:00:02] <charon> lol
[20:01:05] <janrinok> I don't see a problem with that story - although I'm sure it will start a few 'discussions' :~)
[20:01:27] <charon> that's the problem. i like the story itself
[20:01:59] <cmn32480> you gave a bro-hug
[20:02:41] <janrinok> gtg
[20:02:46] <janrinok> ~gnight all
[20:02:47] * exec abnormally culturally appropriates a tablespoon of hashrefs from all
[20:02:50] <charon> take care janrinok
[20:02:59] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:03:00] * exec flatulantly experiences a hugbox of breakfast chili with janrinok
[20:03:25] * janrinok holds nose and leaves hurriedly
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[23:00:57] <takyon> I also added an extra link to the no-knock story just now
[23:02:06] <takyon> local newspaper
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