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[01:45:30] <cmn32480> takyon - I'm going to bin the Taylor Swift video game story
[01:45:42] <takyon> why's that
[01:45:48] <takyon> I haven't loooked at it much
[01:45:55] <cmn32480> it's garbage.
[01:46:04] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org!+a+Taylor+Swift+Video+Game
[01:46:05] <shekel> ^ 03SN Submission by Phoenix666: At Last! a Taylor Swift Video Game
[01:46:07] <takyon> give me 60 seconds to look at it
[01:46:29] <takyon> yeah not needed
[01:46:35] <cmn32480> bin?
[01:46:39] <takyon> although I think we ran something on that Kardashian story
[01:46:49] <takyon> or maybe that was just my brain running it through my brain
[01:47:07] <cmn32480> say ~gnight gracie
[01:47:11] <takyon> bin with extreme prejudice
[01:48:13] <cmn32480> I am gonna push the RBF article.
[01:49:23] <takyon> i have no clue what that is
[01:49:35] <cmn32480> RBF aka: Resting Bitch Face
[01:49:47] <cmn32480> it is hilarious just because of the topic
[01:49:58] <takyon> wow
[01:50:04] <takyon> cool yeah I like the summary too
[01:50:11] <takyon> is there a DOI involved?
[01:50:12] <cmn32480> It is a well done summarty
[01:50:17] <cmn32480> looking inot that too
[01:50:53] <takyon> doesn't look like it
[01:50:59] <takyon> from: http://info.noldus.com
[01:51:00] <shekel> ^ 03Throwing Shade: The Science of Resting Bitch Face
[01:51:04] <cmn32480> in there now
[01:51:11] <takyon> looks non peer reviewed but nicely presented
[01:51:43] <takyon> TFW RBF gets in a real journal
[01:51:53] <takyon> *MFW
[01:52:16] <cmn32480> the topic is funny... and well presented
[01:52:37] <cmn32480> no doi listed in the page source
[01:52:52] <takyon> I'm going to take a break but I'll have at least 2 more submissions written later
[01:52:58] <cmn32480> ok
[01:53:15] <cmn32480> i'm gonna try to get in the mood to edit us into tomorrow
[01:53:26] * cmn32480 digs around for music
[04:18:47] <cmn32480> what's the deal w/ all the AC thestack.com subs in the hold queue? anybody ever figure this one out
[04:52:19] <mrcoolbp> no idea buddy
[04:52:53] <takyon> i put them there
[04:52:57] <takyon> i don't like them
[04:53:02] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480 ^
[04:53:23] <takyon> It posts to our site just recently but slashdot in the past, and it strikes me as self-promotion
[04:53:35] <takyon> I wanted to have a discussion about it so I didn't just delete them
[04:55:08] <mrcoolbp> what posts to our site and /. ?
[04:56:10] <takyon> thestack.com anonymous coward
[04:56:34] <takyon> thestack.com is the link that is in their email/url field, and then the story is always form stack.com
[04:56:42] <takyon> which makes me think it is spam-esque
[04:56:53] <mrcoolbp> like an auto-sub thing?
[04:57:04] <Deucalion> sounds automated bottage
[04:57:28] <mrcoolbp> hmm, what's the volume like takyon?
[04:57:36] <mrcoolbp> also Hi Deucalion!
[04:58:11] <Deucalion> hola mrcoolbp o/ , long time since paths crossed
[04:58:14] <takyon> volume?
[04:58:26] <takyon> like 1-2 a day
[04:58:29] <mrcoolbp> that
[04:58:32] <takyon> it's nothing like a barrage
[04:58:40] <takyon> I'm just very suspicious of it
[04:58:54] <mrcoolbp> what are the subs, just first paragraph copy?
[04:58:54] <takyon> I linked a slashdot.com discussion about thestack.com earlier in this channel
[04:59:10] <takyon> they implied that they get run because they pay slashdot but I can't vouch for that
[04:59:21] <takyon> i think that's jsut normal /. conspiracy
[04:59:43] <mrcoolbp> http://tech.slashdot.org
[04:59:47] <mrcoolbp> that one^
[04:59:49] <shekel> ^ 03Facebook Introduces Emojis, Live Video - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[04:59:57] <takyon> yes thanks
[05:00:10] <takyon> i mean
[05:00:13] <takyon> i'm not crazy right
[05:00:34] <takyon> when you see:
[05:00:35] <takyon> Anonymous Coward
[05:00:35] <takyon> https://thestack.com
[05:00:36] <shekel> ^ 03The Stack - Security, IoT, Cloud, and the latest tech news
[05:00:49] <takyon> and then the link in the story is always thestack.com, nothing else
[05:00:55] <takyon> that reads to me like self-promotion
[05:01:10] <takyon> we have deleted personal blog links for that, I find this no different
[05:01:11] <mrcoolbp> takyon: is it just a copypasta of the first paragraph? that would spell bot
[05:01:17] <takyon> the stories themselves aren't much special
[05:01:23] <takyon> a couple looked interesting
[05:01:34] <mrcoolbp> the sub I meant
[05:01:41] <takyon> all I'm saying is
[05:02:06] <takyon> you now know everything I have to say about why I put thestack.com submissions in the hold
[05:02:11] <takyon> the facts are out there
[05:02:15] <takyon> decision time
[05:02:24] <mrcoolbp> well I think we should have a policy against auto-subbing
[05:02:31] <mrcoolbp> we want curated subs
[05:02:35] <mrcoolbp> by users, not bots
[05:03:51] <mrcoolbp> just a thought
[05:03:53] <takyon> it's not like it was submitted 2 seconds within each other
[05:04:04] <takyon> someone could have copy and pasted it
[05:04:25] <takyon> but I don't get the thought process that suddenly leads this thestack.com (employee?) person to start submitting to us
[05:04:36] <takyon> was it because of the slashdot sale, we got a little extra attention?
[05:04:51] <mrcoolbp> well if the volume is low, and some of the stories are interesting and relatively decently written, what's the issue?
[05:04:53] <takyon> I can't grok it. that's why I'm bringing it to yall
[05:05:08] <takyon> if you want to run one of them you can
[05:05:21] <takyon> the other Phoenix666 stories are in the hold for the usual reasons
[05:05:23] <mrcoolbp> I'm just trying to figure out the thinking and exploring whys
[05:05:26] <takyon> being old or weird
[05:05:30] <takyon> one story is from 2013
[05:05:52] <mrcoolbp> personally I don't understand the use of the hold feature, either post or reject is my motto
[05:06:15] <takyon> it's to get it out of sight out of mind, and to lower the amount of subs users see
[05:06:35] <takyon> also to get potentially malicious or definitive spam posts out of the way so X person can look at them and add to spam filter
[05:06:41] <takyon> i dunno who X is
[05:06:57] <mrcoolbp> that would be pj
[05:07:03] <mrcoolbp> so I can see it used for that
[05:07:14] <mrcoolbp> phoenix stories wouldn't fit that bill though
[05:07:24] <mrcoolbp> he just subs everything, we run most of them
[05:07:36] <mrcoolbp> I mean he's like what, half our content?
[05:07:52] <mrcoolbp> he was going to be an editor but I think I was too hard on him
[05:07:54] <mrcoolbp> = (
[05:08:13] <takyon> that's too bad, it isn't that hard
[05:08:33] <takyon> maybe he just dropped his spaghetti when it came to posting and making common sense changes in the summary?
[05:08:52] <takyon> I guess I don't know what you did
[05:09:07] <mrcoolbp> not everyone is as gifted as you takyon = )
[05:09:17] <mrcoolbp> we had to work to get to the level we are at!
[05:13:52] <takyon> i'm too literate
[05:13:58] <takyon> except now
[05:14:14] <Deucalion> Wouldn't it be kinda hypocritical to nix bot subs when our own editor had Knackerbracket (sic) subbing stuff? Just putting it out there for consideration.... can't say I am a fan of some other site auto-subbing all their shit to us, but we need to be consistent in policy here.
[05:15:27] <mrcoolbp> true
[05:15:53] <mrcoolbp> I honestly have no idea who wrote that and how it works
[05:16:01] <mrcoolbp> I thought you wrote it actually Deucalion
[05:17:23] <Deucalion> I think it was Janrinoks
[05:18:48] <mrcoolbp> ah
[05:34:53] <takyon> our bot is our bot
[05:35:04] <takyon> the issue is people self-promoting their junk
[05:35:52] <mrcoolbp> Deucalion^
[05:36:07] <takyon> you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to see something fishy with an Anonymous Coward who includes a link to thestack.com around their username, writes a story that links only to thestack.com, and does this several times and never any other site
[05:36:19] <takyon> this part is key:
[05:36:26] <takyon> "an Anonymous Coward who includes a link to thestack.com around their username"
[05:37:01] <takyon> "Your Email or Homepage
[05:37:01] <takyon> Where users can contact you" <- they put thestack.com
[05:37:04] <mrcoolbp> well he could just be really excited about stack and not want to provide any personal info....yeah I'm stretching here
[05:37:17] <takyon> I never use that particular field when I submit stories, so it's easy for me to forget
[05:38:28] <mrcoolbp> don't need if it if logged-in submitting
[05:38:47] <takyon> that's not entirely accurate
[05:38:58] <takyon> Soylentnews.org prefills that field for you
[05:39:21] <takyon> which when you have your email set to display, but use obsfucation, leads to a REALLY UGLY hyperlink added to your story
[05:39:27] <takyon> so in my Soylent user extension
[05:39:35] <takyon> I added an optional setting that clears that field
[05:39:47] <takyon> so whenever I hit the submit page, I don't have to remember to delete my email
[05:39:59] <takyon> you can tell that I've thought about this shit
[05:40:03] <mrcoolbp> damn I thought we coded it to go to the user page by default, that is the behavior we agreed upon a long time ago
[05:40:46] <mrcoolbp> my kingdom for some more devs (I feel bad pestering them for mundane shit these days)
[05:40:58] <takyon> I think you can confirm this if you change your email to display, put obsfucation on, and try to submit
[05:41:08] <takyon> what I just do is fill out a bug report, and then forget it
[05:41:52] <mrcoolbp> that is the correct practice
[05:41:58] <mrcoolbp> we just need more devs
[05:42:20] <mrcoolbp> their little time is spent on trying to keep payments working (which are broken for bitcoin right now) = (
[05:42:43] <takyon> well I know people are waiting to throw money at us for when we have Stripe functionality
[05:42:50] <Deucalion> We seem to be doing OK without it
[05:42:51] <takyon> so that should be TMB's #1 priority honestly
[05:42:55] <takyon> again
[05:43:03] <takyon> people want to chuck their hard earned money at us
[05:43:08] <takyon> but won't because PayPal A SHIT
[05:43:21] <mrcoolbp> yeah, it's on his list
[05:43:22] <takyon> some are aware that Stripe functionality is planned
[05:43:57] <mrcoolbp> actually I thought he had most of it ironed out, it may be in the next update
[05:44:03] <mrcoolbp> I'll ping him
[05:44:14] <takyon> I didn't see it in his journal entry
[05:44:44] <mrcoolbp> darn
[05:53:26] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[05:53:26] <shekel> ^✓ 03Journal of The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[05:53:31] <takyon> this is the jorunal iu mentioned
[08:11:17] <Bytram|away> takyon: I'm reading backscroll; when user has chosen to obfuscate e-mail address in their preferences, and submits a story, current practice is to submit obfuscated email address which you submitted as a bug. Desired behavior is to do what? Not submit e-mail address at all; but do supply link to ~username/ page?
[08:11:48] <Bytram|away> takyon: would appreciate it if you can give me a link to the bug and I might be able to take a look at it.
[08:16:28] <Bytram|away> cmn32480: re: HoF. At about 08:02:45 UTC I noticed that the HoF counts had not been updated, and I just now checked and they have been. My take is that there is some daemon that gets launched and, as part of its processing, updates the counts at some indeterminate time after 0800 UTC (0300 EST)
[08:17:14] <Bytram|away> cmn32480++ massive posting binge yesterday! thanks!!
[08:17:14] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 41
[09:13:25] <Bytram|away> add this to the 'History of SoylentNews': https://soylentnews.org
[09:13:28] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: A Resignation 04(128 comments)
[09:13:39] <Bytram|away> which refers to: http://soylentnews.org
[09:13:41] <shekel> ^ 03SN journal Stepeping down as leader 04(13 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[09:15:28] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[09:15:40] <Bytram> cmn32480: I'm looking at this story:https://soylentnews.org/admin.pl?op=edit&sid=16/02/06/0347207
[09:15:51] <Bytram> oops, need a space in there: https://soylentnews.org
[09:15:52] <shekel> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[09:16:06] <Bytram> "Deliverance From Telemarketers Through Applied Karma"
[09:16:31] <Bytram> and I'm pretty sure we ran a very similar story before.
[09:16:46] <Bytram> this line set it off:
[09:16:52] <Bytram> It stays on the line and any time it senses a moment of silence in the conversation, the robot [cbsnews.com] voice jumps in and fills the gap with generic responses like "yes" or "right" or "hang on."
[09:17:59] <Bytram> I am certain someone had posted a comment saying something to the effect that it should not be saying "yes" because it could inadvertently be agreeing to something and thus entering the callee into a legal agreement.
[09:18:39] <Bytram> then, again, *this* story is about there being a Kickstarter project for it... so not exactly a dupe.
[09:19:48] <Bytram> the story is not due out until 14:34 UTC, so there's some time to make adjustments, if needed.
[09:20:37] <Bytram> I *did* try to search for that story, but it's middle-of-the-night here and my search-fu is weak. :/
[09:20:45] <Bytram> hope you have a great day!
[09:22:32] * Bytram continues 2nding stories
[09:48:29] <Bytram> cmn32480: re: https://soylentnews.org
[09:48:29] <shekel> ^ 03Error
[09:50:11] <Bytram> FYI, ISTR that IBM made a real coup in getting school typing classes to use IBM Selectric typewriters... graduates would get into the work force and balk at having to use manual typewriters... massively increased sales.
[09:50:48] <Bytram> ditto for free/low-cost Apple II computers as well as NeXT computers, too.
[09:51:38] <Bytram> MS is just following in well-trod steps here, but with a twist: it's all 'in the cloud' (if I am not mistaken) so they can build up a dossier on all the students before they even get out into 'the real world'
[09:52:49] <Bytram> that is just supposition, as I would *like* to think that there are some protections in place "think of the children" but I am cynical enough to imagine that THAT concern may have 'fallen through the cracks'
[09:52:50] <Bytram> :(
[09:54:46] <Bytram> striking a line from the Robo-advisors story:
[09:54:47] <Bytram> How long before Wall Street bankers are replaced with a "<a href="http://www.kleargear.com/1474.html">very small shell script</a>?"</p>
[09:54:48] <shekel> ^ 03Go Away Or I Will Replace You With A Very Small Shell Script - Computer T-Shirt - Geek T-Shirts and Apparel - Office Desk Toys, Geek Swag Cool Gadgets at KlearGear.com
[10:08:06] <Bytram> okay, I really should be getting back to sleep.
[10:08:18] <Bytram> have a great day everyone!
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[14:58:50] <cmn32480> janrinok !!!>>?>>>>??<>NMJEKILHYQ#E$*(TOHQ
[14:59:03] <cmn32480> sorry got a little excited
[14:59:52] <janrinok> cmn!!
[15:00:02] <cmn32480> The prodigal son returns!
[15:00:06] <cmn32480> How's S?
[15:00:15] <janrinok> I've got about 30 minutes to myself!
[15:00:32] <janrinok> how's J and the kids?
[15:01:22] <janrinok> S is still making a slow but steady recovery. She is sitting up but cannot hold anything, so I have to help with drinks etc
[15:01:50] <cmn32480> we are prepping for a hello litty bday party for my daughter
[15:02:01] <cmn32480> s/litty/kitty/
[15:02:02] <exec> <cmn32480> we are prepping for a hello kitty bday party for my daughter
[15:02:15] <cmn32480> so J has me running around doing all kinda stuff
[15:02:16] <janrinok> that's what I thought the typo should have said :)
[15:02:33] <cmn32480> brb gott put a step ladder back in the basement
[15:02:48] <janrinok> k
[15:04:11] <cmn32480> back
[15:04:28] <cmn32480> I will admit to being happily surprised to see you logged in
[15:04:38] <janrinok> so how many years is your daughter celebrating?
[15:05:00] <cmn32480> 4
[15:05:06] <cmn32480> still a baby
[15:05:13] <janrinok> it took me a while to log in - at first the system wouldn't accept me, and I still can't reach the channel the shall not be named
[15:05:29] <cmn32480> but my house willbe filled with a bunch of 3,-5 year olds in about an hour
[15:05:47] <janrinok> so, a nice quite pm for you then ;)
[15:06:03] <cmn32480> eeeeee yeah
[15:06:22] <cmn32480> fixed
[15:06:39] <cmn32480> you should now have an invite
[15:06:54] <janrinok> I've got the invite by still can't get to the chan
[15:07:17] <cmn32480> use /join <channel>
[15:07:21] <janrinok> I did
[15:07:42] <cmn32480> hmmmmm
[15:07:44] <janrinok> nope - still giving me blank looks
[15:07:57] <janrinok> I've become PNG in my absence
[15:08:30] <cmn32480> nope... the bloody server got restarted
[15:08:40] <cmn32480> and the other channel gets hosed every time that happens
[15:08:49] <cmn32480> site upgrade this weekend
[15:09:07] <janrinok> ah, good to see that we are maintaining our usual high technical standards :))
[15:09:21] <cmn32480> it was linode
[15:09:24] <cmn32480> not our fault
[15:09:29] <janrinok> that's what they all say
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[15:11:28] * cmn32480 sneaks back to IRD
[15:11:35] <cmn32480> J is in rare form this morning
[15:11:44] <janrinok> send her my best!
[15:11:53] <cmn32480> I will... once the party is over
[15:12:19] <cmn32480> I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that thigns are getting better
[15:12:29] <janrinok> is she at the tearing hair out stage yet, or just mildly stressed by the hectic build up?
[15:12:41] <cmn32480> she hasn't punched me... yet
[15:12:55] <janrinok> still plenty of time for that...
[15:13:00] <cmn32480> I know
[15:13:14] * cmn32480 needs to find armor
[15:13:31] <cmn32480> so anyway..
[15:13:36] <cmn32480> TMB has been hard at work
[15:13:45] <janrinok> ah, US armor is not as good as UK armour
[15:13:47] <cmn32480> Admin->User messaging is in this upgrade
[15:14:00] <cmn32480> for J, I need US Armor.
[15:14:05] <janrinok> yeah, I saw that mentioned somewhere the other day
[15:14:07] <cmn32480> Tanks MIGHT be sufficient
[15:14:38] <janrinok> I've got about 5 minutes left before I must go
[15:14:45] <cmn32480> UK armor - them big metal suits.... she'd push me over and beat me up for scratchign the floor!
[15:14:49] <cmn32480> me too
[15:14:53] <cmn32480> she hopped in the shower.
[15:15:05] <cmn32480> and I have to vacuum the basment so it can get trashed by the girls
[15:15:16] <janrinok> sounds logical - not
[15:15:33] <cmn32480> women + logic = impossible
[15:15:43] <cmn32480> I'm hoping to hide for most of it
[15:15:46] <cmn32480> in here
[15:15:51] <cmn32480> with the door closed
[15:15:55] <cmn32480> and the lights out
[15:16:06] <cmn32480> curled in the fetal position
[15:16:12] <cmn32480> or playing on my PS2
[15:16:21] <janrinok> hopefully, I will get back on here later today. And you know that any attempt to hide will be futile
[15:16:33] * cmn32480 looks at his shoes...
[15:16:35] <cmn32480> I know
[15:16:57] <cmn32480> please give S my best. And thank her for letting you out to play for a bit
[15:17:17] <nick> <3 janrinok
[15:17:26] <janrinok> hi nick
[15:17:30] <cmn32480> OOOOO an ice cream cone!
[15:17:39] <janrinok> with twin scoops
[15:17:45] <cmn32480> even BETTER!
[15:18:08] <cmn32480> I gotta run janrinok
[15:18:13] <janrinok> ... or is it someone's buttocks? I've never understood these symbols
[15:18:25] <cmn32480> I going wiht ice cream
[15:18:27] <janrinok> take care - and best wishes to all cmn32480
[15:18:31] * nick hat tip
[15:18:31] <cmn32480> you too sir
[15:18:37] <cmn32480> great seeing you again
[15:18:42] <janrinok> likewise
[15:18:45] <cmn32480> Welcome Home!
[15:18:50] <cmn32480> :-)
[15:19:02] * cmn32480 goes away whistling a happy tune
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[15:20:19] <janrinok> nick - got to run for a while, might be back on later. Nice to hear from you. :)
[15:21:15] <nick> take care, and give my regards to S
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[15:21:19] * nick hat tip
[15:21:32] <janrinok|afk> nick, thx will do
[15:44:50] <cmn32480> takyon - good call on the edgar mitchell story
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[21:08:44] <Bytram> zz_janrinok: sorry I missed ya!
[21:08:46] <Bytram> whereto: http://go.theregister.com
[21:08:47] <shekel> ^ 03That's cute, Germany – China shows the world how fusion is done • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[21:09:56] <Bytram> oh. my. WANT: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[21:09:57] <shekel> ^ 03Who wants a quad-core 4.2GHz, 64GB, 5TB SSD RAID 10 … laptop? • The Register
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