#editorial | Logs for 2016-01-07
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[00:35:23] <cmn32480> ~weather
[00:35:25] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 34°F / 1°C, clear, wind SW at 1 mph, humidity 58% - Wednesday clear with periodic clouds (29°F:39°F / -2°C:4°C), Thursday mostly cloudy (33°F:42°F / 1°C:6°C), Friday cloudy (37°F:46°F / 3°C:8°C), Saturday cloudy (49°F:51°F / 9°C:11°C)
[02:56:04] <Bytram|away> !uid
[02:56:04] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6017, owned by ubqNerd
[02:56:33] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:57:01] <Bytram> nick: you around?
[02:57:33] * Bytram is looking at: https://soylentnews.org ("How Easily Can Scammers Get Your Credit Card Info?")
[02:57:34] <cloudshark> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[02:58:45] <cmn32480> nah he's sleepin
[02:58:52] <cmn32480> 3am in Londaon
[02:59:20] <Bytram> ahhh, your perspective, then?
[02:59:34] <Bytram> the above story... I don't really understand why we would be running it
[02:59:44] <cmn32480> I don't think we should
[02:59:55] <Bytram> that confirms my thoughts.
[03:00:07] <Bytram> if it were the weekend, and the queue was empty, I'd still have second thoughts.
[03:00:07] <cmn32480> I had dropped a note in here at one point today about it
[03:00:15] <cmn32480> bin it
[03:00:20] <Bytram> I'll mark it no-display.
[03:00:34] <cmn32480> ok
[03:00:53] <Bytram> and am addding an ed note
[03:01:15] <cmn32480> 10-4
[03:01:52] <Bytram> done
[03:02:02] <Bytram> muchos gracias, mein freund!
[03:02:06] <Bytram> ;)
[03:02:07] <cmn32480> np
[03:02:21] <Bytram> how has your day been?
[03:02:42] <cmn32480> 2 more propaganda pieces from gewg... the photoshop one may have merit
[03:02:48] <cmn32480> busy today
[03:03:07] <cmn32480> more than the usual load of crap going wrong
[03:03:24] <Bytram> hadn't checked out G's subs yet, but that was my initial take based on the titles
[03:03:34] <cmn32480> same
[03:03:35] * Bytram digs out a shovel for cmn32480
[03:03:42] <cmn32480> I judged the book by the cover
[03:03:57] <cmn32480> I'm plying a little halflife to blow some shit up
[03:04:23] <Bytram> ka-boom++
[03:04:39] <Bytram> where's the ka-boom++ ??
[03:04:40] <cmn32480> yep
[03:04:43] <cmn32480> kaboom++
[03:04:43] <Bender> karma - kaboom: 1
[03:04:52] <cmn32480> the - screws it up
[03:04:55] <Bytram> hrmm
[03:04:59] <Bytram> ka\-boom++
[03:05:03] <Bytram> ka/-boom++
[03:05:16] <Bytram> ka—boom++
[03:05:16] <cmn32480> 'ka-boom'++
[03:05:29] <Bytram> (ka-boom)++
[03:05:29] <Bender> karma - (ka-boom): 1
[03:05:37] <cmn32480> that'd work
[03:05:39] <Bytram> huh! go figure!
[03:06:02] <chromas> []++ also works
[03:06:06] <chromas> [ ]++ also works
[03:06:06] <Bender> karma - [ ]: 1
[03:06:49] <Bytram> !woop
[03:06:50] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[03:07:14] <Bytram> ( (\/) (;,,;) (\/) )++
[03:07:34] <Bytram> not surprised, but a little disappointed
[03:08:13] <cmn32480> cripe... gewg links back to his own comments with links in them
[03:08:26] <cmn32480> that's just arrogant
[03:08:39] <Bytram> which story?
[03:08:54] <cmn32480> USAian killed by terrorists
[03:09:00] <cmn32480> which also pisses me off'
[03:09:00] <Bytram> k
[03:11:35] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[03:11:36] <cloudshark> ^ 03SN Submission by Phoenix666: Dandelion Uses Latex to Protect Its Roots Against Insect Feeding
[03:11:45] <cmn32480> from the root-condom dept
[03:12:17] <Bytram> cmn32480: I'd say strip the link
[03:12:23] <Bytram> also, typo: "one must conclude security has little to affect terrorism."
[03:12:34] <Bytram> should be: "one must conclude security has little to NO affect terrorism."
[03:12:37] <Bytram> emphasis added
[03:12:47] <cmn32480> no
[03:12:55] <Bytram> right!
[03:13:07] <cmn32480> should be: "one must conclude security has DONE little to affect terrorism."
[03:13:11] <cmn32480> emphasis mione
[03:13:56] <Bytram> yours is better...
[03:14:10] <Bytram> should be: "one must conclude security has [done] little to affect terrorism."
[03:14:17] <cmn32480> yes
[03:14:24] <cmn32480> as we added it not the original submitter
[03:14:45] <Bytram> agreed
[03:14:46] <cmn32480> I'm using dandelion latex to fill the non-display hole
[03:14:57] <Bytram> watch out for a strong wind
[03:15:10] <cmn32480> momma had the baby and it's head popped off
[03:16:49] <Bytram> um, okay.
[03:17:02] <Bytram> ahhh, now I get it.
[03:17:08] <Bytram> .me is more tired that he had thought
[03:17:11] <cmn32480> we used to say that and use a thumb to kick the heads off dandelions
[03:17:13] <Bytram> SEE!
[03:17:21] <cmn32480> get to bed man
[03:17:30] <cmn32480> the queue is good to noon tomorrow
[03:17:36] <cmn32480> what's your work schedule?
[03:17:40] <Bytram> yeah, that's a new one on me -- never heard it before, so it gave me pause.
[03:17:53] <Bytram> back to work tomorrowm with an appt in the AM
[03:18:02] <cmn32480> get some rest
[03:18:06] <cmn32480> you've earned it
[03:18:09] <Bytram> at least we have a nice full sub queue to work with
[03:18:17] <Bytram> likewise, mon ami
[03:18:20] <cmn32480> thanks for keeping things going here the last few days while I have been stacked
[03:18:30] <Bytram> oh, happy to help out.
[03:18:37] * cmn32480 grumbles about stupid new years problems
[03:18:49] <cmn32480> my kid just came down
[03:19:15] <Bytram> I noticed you showed your appreciation by putting the site funding story out in the middle of my [nearly] solo day, and after consultation with another perpetrator, as well!
[03:19:17] <cmn32480> the 3 year old
[03:19:28] <cmn32480> who me?????
[03:19:33] <Bytram> yes, YOU!
[03:19:57] <Bytram> i actually waited about an hour after your'd asked me 'what, are your trying to do the whole day by yourself?'
[03:20:14] <Bytram> but you did nothing with the opportunity, so I ran with it
[03:20:20] <cmn32480> i noticed :-)
[03:20:23] <Bytram> only to have an ACME wall pop up in the middle of the day.
[03:20:29] <cmn32480> lol
[03:20:35] * Bytram goes looking for some birdseed
[03:20:38] <Bytram> beep beeep
[03:20:42] <cmn32480> and you saw that I put it out as soon as it was ready
[03:20:49] <Bytram> true that.
[03:21:14] <cmn32480> i gotta put this child back to bed
[03:21:16] <cmn32480> brb
[03:21:19] <Bytram> I saw the entire conversation, remember
[03:21:23] <Bytram> k
[03:21:26] <Bytram> break time forme
[03:24:01] <cmn32480> I knew you'ld see the conversation
[03:24:17] <cmn32480> and I knew you'ld go looking for it once you saw we torched the solo day
[03:24:37] <cmn32480> WOW.... Firefox is renabling SHA-1 certs
[03:31:18] <Bytram> huh? why would they do THAT?
[03:32:03] <cmn32480> https://blog.mozilla.org
[03:32:04] <cloudshark> ^ 03Man-in-the-Middle Interfering with Increased Security | Mozilla Security Blog
[03:32:20] <cmn32480> I knew I'd seen this before!
[03:32:28] <cmn32480> the NYC wifi story
[03:32:33] <cmn32480> we covered it a year ago
[03:32:43] <Bytram> yep, but it's actually getting rolled out, now.
[03:32:45] <cmn32480> my stupid head is full of useless crap
[03:32:55] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[03:32:56] <cloudshark> ^ 03SN article: Ten Thousand NYC Pay Phones to Become Free Wi-Fi Hot Spots 04(18 comments)
[03:33:05] <Bytram> yeah, about 10,000 stories worth =)
[03:33:20] <cmn32480> I'm shocked I remembered it
[03:34:34] <Bytram> well, the word 'free' tends to gfet my attention
[03:34:37] <Bytram> *get
[03:34:53] <Bytram> and, net access for free, that certainly gets my attention
[03:36:44] <cmn32480> definetly
[03:37:01] * Bytram is looking at dandelion story and notes it is from sciencedaily
[03:37:20] <cmn32480> is that bad?
[03:37:28] <Bytram> which usually means there is a link to the source material in the story
[03:37:45] <Bytram> there it is: http://www.ice.mpg.de
[03:37:57] <Bytram> "The above post is reprinted from materials provided by Max Planck Institute for Chemical Ecology."
[03:38:12] <Bytram> the word 'materials' links to the link I just posted
[03:38:22] <cmn32480> ah
[03:38:30] <cmn32480> I dind't even think about looking for it
[03:38:51] <Bytram> Seems to be standard for all SD stories
[03:39:53] <Bytram> and, THAT story links to: http://dx.doi.org
[03:39:55] <cloudshark> ^ 03( http://www.plosbiology.org )
[03:51:31] <Bytram> we missed a chance on the NYC free wifi story's dept line
[03:51:52] <Bytram> so now where will Clark Kent change his clothes?
[03:57:02] <chromas> He'll just have to go in the closet
[04:00:56] <Bytram> would that be a 'water closet'?
[04:03:55] <chromas> Yep. He just has to flush some things…
[04:04:05] <chromas> and then Superman comes out of the closet
[04:04:10] <Bytram> just a passing fancy, I suppose
[04:04:43] <cmn32480> no problem changing it
[04:05:35] <Bytram> yeah, but it's the one place where some creativity is allowed, so I lean against making a chance to the dept without the originator's permission
[04:05:43] <Bytram> *change
[04:05:47] <cmn32480> done
[04:06:14] <Bytram> noice!
[04:06:34] <cmn32480> I am totally open to a better idea
[04:06:39] * Bytram chuckles
[04:07:05] <Bytram> notices that quite a few took the bait about no mention of larry or curly on the hacked pacemaker story!
[04:07:32] <Bytram> same here, but soemtimes, I put like 15 minutes into something to come up with a good one.
[04:07:41] <Bytram> and other times, the 15 minutes gets me no where
[04:07:53] <Bytram> so, I like to check in first. that's all
[04:09:27] <cmn32480> good lord...
[04:10:05] * Bytram notes that cmn32480 is only 5 shy of the 100 club!
[04:10:13] <Bytram> s/100/1100/
[04:10:14] <exec> <Bytram> notes that cmn32480 is only 5 shy of the 1100 club!
[04:10:18] <cmn32480> ah
[04:10:19] <cmn32480> yes
[04:10:25] <cmn32480> and I haven't done much this week
[04:12:02] <Bytram> ugh. wifi or WiFi or wi-fi or Wi-Fi or...???
[04:12:13] <cmn32480> the article has it as wi-fi
[04:12:21] <cmn32480> Wi-Fi
[04:12:22] <Bytram> yeah, looks funny
[04:12:26] <cmn32480> agreed
[04:12:28] <cmn32480> it is wrong
[04:12:35] <cmn32480> shoudl be WiFi
[04:12:38] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:12:39] <cloudshark> ^ 03Wiki: Wi-Fi
[04:12:45] <cmn32480> but as ti is quoted
[04:12:50] <Bytram> Wi-Fi (or WiFi) is a local area wireless computer networking technology that allows electronic devices to connect to the network, mainly using the 2.4 gigahertz (12 ...
[04:12:56] <cmn32480> reading it
[04:13:04] <cmn32480> generally there isno dash
[04:13:10] <cmn32480> but hey.. I just work in that industry
[04:13:18] <Bytram> lol
[04:13:31] <Bytram> std progression of the English language
[04:13:41] <Bytram> Wireless Fidelity
[04:13:44] <Bytram> becomes
[04:13:47] <Bytram> Wi Fi
[04:13:49] <Bytram> becomes
[04:13:54] <Bytram> Wi-Fi
[04:13:55] <Bytram> becomes
[04:13:58] <Bytram> WiFi
[04:14:03] <cmn32480> becomes
[04:14:05] <cmn32480> W
[04:14:09] <Bytram> What?
[04:14:11] <Bytram> ;)
[04:14:18] <Bytram> Wifey?
[04:14:44] <Bytram> btw, I was looking at a different story which had this:
[04:14:45] <Bytram> <p>Finally a good use for all that cancer-causing wifi radiation around us.</p>
[04:15:01] <cmn32480> lol
[04:15:01] <Bytram> changing to: <p>Finally a good use for all that cancer-causing WiFi radiation around us.</p>
[04:17:44] <Bytram> http://www.marketwatch.com
[04:17:45] <cloudshark> ^ 03China stock trading halted early after 7% plunge - MarketWatch
[04:17:53] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[04:17:54] <cloudshark> ^ 03Intel’s new Atom and Core M Compute Sticks get faster and look better | Ars Technica
[04:25:22] <cmn32480> ok
[04:25:25] <cmn32480> time for em to go to bed
[04:25:32] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[04:25:33] * exec dexterously postulates a blagoblag of $insert_beverage_here towards bytram
[04:25:46] <Bytram> yeah, I'm nearly heading off myself
[04:25:55] <Bytram> cmn32480: have a great night's sleep!
[04:26:08] <cmn32480> you too
[04:26:10] <cmn32480> get some rest
[04:26:36] <Bytram> will do!
[04:27:22] <Bytram> just saved a story that gets us past minight tomrrow (utc)
[04:27:31] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[08:01:38] <nick> i'm curious as to why there's no value in running the creditcard story
[08:01:45] <nick> what's the reasoning
[08:02:04] <nick> i'm going to work now, i'll be back later
[08:02:18] <nick> there was a few angles i thought the story was worth considering on, but i'll explain that later
[08:08:23] <nick> and compared to the value of running "MTV makes new TV show..."
[12:17:41] <CoolHand> my 2 cents - wasn't involvd in either decision (although "MTV story" is mine)... the "MTV story" is actually a story of a fantasy favorite getting the MTV treatment. A lot of geeks are fantasy fans. I don't see the credit card story adding much value to any big picture item.. It seems like a Maury Povich story. It's just some woman that gets ripped off and goes to threaten the accused before the Police can get to her.. I'd be inter
[12:18:19] <chromas> "I'd be inter" then your message cuts off
[12:20:54] <CoolHand> I'd be interested in hearing other angles I'm missing though is what I said
[12:21:08] <CoolHand> thanks chromas
[12:21:08] <CoolHand> :)
[12:21:53] <cmn32480> mornign gents
[12:22:16] <CoolHand> g'mornin
[12:22:59] <cmn32480> which stories are causing consternation this morning?
[12:23:29] <CoolHand> looks like nick is wanting to defend the cc story he posted yesterday and you and bytram undisplayed
[12:24:21] <cmn32480> ~gday nick
[12:24:22] * exec abrasively pours a wad of $insert_beverage_here for nick
[12:24:25] <CoolHand> cr@p, just noticed I put up a quantam story right after another.. will have to move that back
[12:24:39] <CoolHand> i don't think nick is here.. he just had the last comments b4 I came in
[12:24:51] <cmn32480> prolly workin
[12:26:16] <cmn32480> shame we all have to do that for a living
[12:26:24] <CoolHand> agreed!
[15:26:24] <mrcoolbp> ~gday #editorial
[15:26:25] * exec unjustifiably poops a socket of bewb for #editorial
[15:26:43] <cmn32480> ~gday mrcoolbp
[15:26:44] * exec abnormally postulates a coffee++ mug of pancakes towards mrcoolbp
[15:26:50] <mrcoolbp> YAY
[15:26:53] <mrcoolbp> finally a good one
[15:27:02] <cmn32480> pancakes are almost always good
[18:07:56] <nick> here now
[18:08:23] <cmn32480> HOORAY!
[18:08:32] <cmn32480> decent day? or it been total shit?
[18:09:14] <nick> reasons why i thought the cc story was worth running: 1) credit cards are still as insecure as they've always been 2) police procedure apparently showing evidence to the victims before charges brought 3) people buying coffee with credit cards...
[18:09:53] <cmn32480> I agree with 1 & 2.
[18:09:59] <nick> the story itself is not much of a story, but my logic was there is at least some discussions that can happen as a result
[18:10:21] <cmn32480> #3 is my MO. Don't knock it
[18:10:28] <cmn32480> I agree.
[18:10:34] <nick> CoolHand: nothing against your story, but it was just the closest proximity
[18:10:51] <cmn32480> If we want to run somethign like that, I thnk we need to find the correct vehicle
[18:10:58] <cmn32480> this one will get the eds raged at
[18:11:15] <cmn32480> and I think it woudl be a good discussion (but I've been wrong before)
[18:11:35] <nick> perhaps, i dont mind that so much
[18:12:09] <cmn32480> I mind it only becasue of credibility
[18:12:28] <nick> if we're worried about credibility to that level
[18:12:32] <nick> there's a lot of stories we shouldn't be touching
[18:12:37] <cmn32480> touche
[18:13:04] <cmn32480> but this one is more of a fox news sensationalist story that doesnt' go inot the other deepr topics that ARE worthy of discussion
[18:13:18] <nick> i agree
[18:13:27] <nick> but that's where i hope the community picks up the slack
[18:13:44] <nick> otherwise we're just arguing over the predefined talking points in whatever BBC article
[18:13:56] <cmn32480> I don't have that faith on this particular topic.
[18:14:03] <nick> "x says it's raining outside, y disagrees, the bbc remaining impartial declined to look out the window"
[18:14:30] <nick> sure
[18:14:36] <cmn32480> with this particular article, I think it will be a bash fest on the content of the sub, not the substance of the point it is trying to make
[18:15:00] <nick> but i'm not in the business of hand holding and spoon feeding. people need to use their brains a little
[18:15:27] <cmn32480> in general, I woudl agree.
[18:15:27] <nick> i dont disagree that the quality of the article was poor, but we should be smart enough between us all to not take the fox bait
[18:16:02] <cmn32480> Nick, meet Anonymous Coward.... Anoym,ous Coward, meet Nick
[18:16:45] <cmn32480> Bytram and I were thinking that it woudl spiral into a black hole of crap instead of a decent discussion
[18:16:49] <nick> i am all up for the editorial bar being raised, but we have to be consistent with it
[18:17:02] <nick> sadly, i don't disagree
[18:17:09] <nick> but i'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt
[18:17:50] <nick> if an original summary had been attached to the story, it would have been a lot better
[18:19:13] <cmn32480> I agree
[18:19:33] <cmn32480> perhaps this is an instance where we ought to write one?
[18:19:48] <cmn32480> I can give it a shot tonight if you want
[18:19:57] <nick> if you're up for it
[18:20:12] <cmn32480> yeah
[18:20:23] <nick> i'm going to chill for a bit and will do some editing a bit later
[18:20:43] <cmn32480> I'll give it a roll, edit the existing story, and drop it out a day or so in the future so that we all have a chance to see what we think
[18:20:56] <nick> sounds like a good plan
[18:21:03] <cmn32480> I'm gonna find a blunt object and go hunt some users
[18:21:19] <nick> have fun
[18:21:25] <cmn32480> only if I catch them!
[18:25:30] <nick> some good comments on the zelda story
[18:25:42] <cmn32480> haven't had a chance to read it
[18:25:56] <cmn32480> people keep asking for stuff at the day job
[18:26:39] <nick> bastards
[18:26:51] <cmn32480> seriously!
[18:28:13] <nick> 2 more weeks and i should be done with all the driving into the city
[18:28:45] <cmn32480> !woop
[18:28:45] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[18:31:11] <cmn32480> you are correct.. the quality of the comments there was excellent
[18:31:15] <cmn32480> insightful even
[18:45:20] <CoolHand> fwiw - I agree with some sort of writing outlining points like the one nick raised above are necessary to run the cc story..
[18:47:47] <nick> i'd like to write a summary myself, but wouldn't do it justice right now, or i'd write 2000 words.
[18:48:22] <nick> bytram++
[18:48:22] <Bender> karma - bytram: 28
[18:48:36] <cmn32480> that was coolhand who agreed...
[18:48:40] <cmn32480> coolhand++
[18:48:41] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 26
[18:48:54] <cmn32480> #3 still irks me. :-)
[18:48:59] <nick> yeah, the bytram thing was unrelated, sorry
[18:49:01] <nick> CoolHand++
[18:49:01] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 27
[18:49:19] <nick> cmn32480: i do understand why and how people do it
[18:49:30] <nick> but it's just something i do think deserves thinking about
[18:51:30] <nick> i can save that for a 2000 word comment if you prefer ;)
[18:51:48] <cmn32480> certainly!
[18:51:51] <cmn32480> have at it
[18:52:21] <cmn32480> like I said, I'll take a swing at it
[19:35:23] <CoolHand> I sometimes buy sub-$1 things with my debit card...
[19:35:35] <CoolHand> I just never have cash since the implementation of direct deposit
[19:36:46] <nick> debit card is a bit different