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[01:33:55] <cmn32480> hmmmmmmmm
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[01:55:48] <takyon> I think I would like to punt the SpaceX story back to the top of the main page closer to when the launch might be tomorrow
[01:55:51] <takyon> since it was scrubbed
[01:55:59] <cmn32480> agreed
[01:56:09] <takyon> along with a change of title to reflect that
[01:56:30] <takyon> we've had a couple complaints before for punting old stories into the future, but it's still a good idea
[01:56:57] <takyon> also for new year's I will make a story that lists things to watch out for in 2016
[01:57:11] <takyon> I know Wikipedia has pages for each month of the year where they will list upcoming events
[01:57:31] <takyon> so I will draw on that and some other stuff. and I'll make it super long to annoy everybody
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[12:12:27] <nick> ahoy, cmn32480
[12:27:04] <cmn32480> mornign nick
[12:27:45] <nick> how goes
[12:27:54] <cmn32480> it's monday
[12:27:59] <cmn32480> it's always Monday
[12:28:01] <cmn32480> :-)
[12:29:41] <nick> seems so
[12:30:10] <cmn32480> spent time here at the office waiting for Comcast yesterday... they didn't show
[12:31:09] <cmn32480> hence the Ask Soylent in the story queue
[12:32:19] <nick> not cool
[12:33:16] <cmn32480> Oh I was pissed
[12:33:47] <cmn32480> I feel kinda bad about chewing the woman out
[12:34:16] <crutchy> send them a bill for your time. make up some bogus contract number. they're probably stupid enough to pay it
[12:34:23] <cmn32480> likely
[12:34:33] <nick> heh
[12:35:11] <cmn32480> given the option I woudl kill their service and get somethign else
[12:35:23] <nick> personally given up on customer service, it's all bad
[12:40:03] <cmn32480> certain companies are worse than others
[12:42:36] <nick> always go for the lesser evil, it always continues to get worse apparently
[12:42:57] <cmn32480> lesser or not, it is still evil
[12:43:36] <nick> some would say it's just a 'glass half-empty' outlook
[12:44:18] <cmn32480> the only places that still have decent customer service are the small businesses
[12:44:24] <cmn32480> and strangely enough, Amazon
[12:44:45] <nick> some small businesses, not all of them by a long way
[12:44:50] <cmn32480> true
[12:45:04] <cmn32480> but large corporations are typically worse
[12:45:05] <nick> and amazon gets that by screwing over its employees and people who sell through amazon
[12:45:25] <nick> another side of the customer-base
[12:45:30] <nick> indeed
[12:45:35] <cmn32480> I don't know that one way or the other, btu it woudln't surprise me
[12:46:06] <nick> problem also comes that the smaller businesses, have to rely on the larger corporations for their products and infrastructure
[12:46:15] <cmn32480> generally
[12:46:40] <nick> comes down to a nicer veneer on the same problems, usually at a premium in price
[12:47:14] <nick> but i am just a glass half-empty kind of guy ;)
[12:47:15] <cmn32480> but generally, the small companies actaully pretend to care far better than the large companies who only really give a shit about thier larger customers
[12:47:53] <nick> of course, smaller companies have to care, more motivation
[12:48:33] <cmn32480> because even small customers matter for the small business
[12:49:20] <cmn32480> or at least they are supposed to
[12:49:45] <nick> i always try to support smaller businesses, as i'm in the same boat
[12:49:53] <nick> it would be quite hypocritical
[12:50:00] <cmn32480> I try to as well
[12:50:09] <cmn32480> my favorite is the small hardware store
[12:50:26] <cmn32480> especially the ones that have been in place for 50-60 years
[12:50:42] <cmn32480> they have all kinds of odd thing\s that are hard to fine.
[12:50:46] <nick> i have been going to a couple lately for this project, wanted to sell me individual screws at first...
[12:51:43] <nick> the last good one of those here got knocked down not all that long ago, to build a convenience store and luxury apartments
[12:52:05] <cmn32480> the last really good one here had a fire... burned to the ground
[12:52:13] <nick> natural causes
[12:52:29] <cmn32480> I believe so.
[12:52:41] <cmn32480> not arson or for the insurance :-)
[12:52:51] <cmn32480> they had all kinds of stuff
[12:52:57] <nick> the real old ones can hardly be described as safe, and a long way from current H&S regulations for retail units
[12:53:11] <cmn32480> no this place wasn't safe
[12:53:24] <cmn32480> dark, dingy, and packed to the gills
[12:54:00] <nick> i remember going to a car parts place when i was a kid, all for classic british built cars
[12:54:15] <nick> was a maze of all sorts of parts, really amazing stuff
[12:55:31] <nick> dad used to buy me like a badge from a grill or something similar when we would go
[12:55:40] <nick> don't think places like that exist anymore in this country
[12:56:17] <chromas> Al Yankovic had a song...
[12:57:46] <CoolHand> clickbait article missing link.. I believe it's from wired. I'm going to add it... (and good morning all... :) )
[13:02:36] <nick> i'll be honest, the "Our Geek Prime Minister" article makes me a little sick
[13:03:07] <CoolHand> nick: in what way?
[13:03:37] <nick> similar reasons as some of the comments note
[13:04:12] <CoolHand> ah, guess I'll have to go read the comments then.. :) guessing it's because of the normalization of geek-chic... but I'll find out.. :)
[13:05:52] <nick> the whole story just feels like a pr piece for the guy, and as the comments note, being a fan of starwars and superman doesn't make you a 'geek' or prove you're generally into 'real science'
[13:06:25] <nick> perhaps says more about ones affinity for a 'chosen one' narrative
[13:07:09] <CoolHand> ooooh, nice point
[13:07:32] <nick> feel free to use it if you want to make a comment ;)
[13:09:16] <CoolHand> I feel more that there is a little bit of geek (in this case comic-book geek) in everyone, just most used to be afraid to express it.. Now, it's become much more socially acceptable to let that inner geekiness come out. I think it's a good thing. sure, it's bad for true "geek culture", but overall, it's more freedeom for everyone
[13:09:34] <nick> i'll apologise for my lack of input again, im trying to sort shit out and i don't feel in an appropriate frame of mind for editing/contributing blah. the free time i have, trying to read, and sifting though veiled press releases and irrelevant click-bait hasn't been feeling productive of late
[13:09:58] <CoolHand> kind of like when "touch of grey" came out from the grateful dead, it ruined the scene for a lot of old deadheads, but exposed a lot of people to the scene who truly got on the bus.. :)
[13:10:13] <nick> mainstream culture has embraced the geek
[13:10:25] <nick> so a politician showing his geek credential is not interesting
[13:11:18] <nick> it's an updated version of the prime minister drinking a pint in a pub, or standing on the sidelines at a football game
[13:12:38] <CoolHand> agree, there is nothing about a politician's image that one can truly believe... (which is unfortunate)
[13:13:16] <nick> next he'll be showing how cool he is by saying he listens to U2.
[13:13:31] <nick> although i believe that has already been done.
[13:13:36] <CoolHand> lol.. is U2 still cool? I got over them about '95..
[13:13:55] <nick> oh indeed, i personally think they suck.
[13:14:03] <nick> it was more a reference to the cross generational appeal of starwars and u2
[13:14:08] <nick> getting a wide voting demographic
[13:14:20] <CoolHand> ah, gotcha
[13:15:45] <nick> made me just think of the time, i think it was the current british PM, forgot what football team he supported
[13:16:48] <CoolHand> LOL.. that's rich..
[13:17:07] <nick> "Prime Minister David Cameron has blamed forgetting which football team he 'supports' on CRICKET.
[13:17:08] <nick> In a bizarre explanation, he told the Birmingham Mail his “profoundly embarrassing” gaffe - where he got his favourite team Aston Villa mixed up with fellow claret and blue side West Ham - was down to him thinking of the West Indies."
[13:18:01] <CoolHand> completely understandable... :)
[13:18:01] <nick> “All I can explain is I went past the West Ham stadium the day before and I just said the word West Indies in my speech and I was making a point about the cricket Test and all the rest of it.
[13:18:01] <nick> “I meant to say Aston Villa and I am profoundly embarrassed.”
[13:18:29] <nick> that is an awesome politician answer
[13:19:34] <CoolHand> awesome in a super-suck kinda way
[13:19:56] <nick> well, yes
[13:20:46] <nick> but lately i've found myself stuck just appreciating at the language used in public statements, how the messages are crafted for general consumption
[13:22:01] <nick> then hearing normal people talk about current events in the published soundbites
[13:24:24] <CoolHand> so, you've become a PR-firm fan/junkie.. :)
[13:25:53] <nick> maybe later, for now it's just required reading as a small business owner trying to figure out wtf.
[13:27:29] <nick> lies and deception are everywhere, people are doing what they have to, to sustain and perpetuate
[13:28:19] <CoolHand> hasn't that always been the case? the human race modus operandi there..
[13:28:45] <nick> to a point yeah, and in a core concept that is fine
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[13:29:31] <nick> but i'm finding it impossible to actually be productive and useful, creating true value, i can just enable the perpetuation of a horrible economic and social mess
[13:30:54] <nick> the best work is in helping foreign investors develop property for other foreign investors to buy, or at best for someone local to go $1mil into debt for it, in the hope some sucker will buy it for $2m next year
[13:32:12] <nick> eventually someone who works for a bank or insurance company will live there.
[13:32:50] <CoolHand> uh, yeah, sounds depressing..
[13:34:02] <nick> i'm working on making my way out, but the family are all tied here by debts and health issues
[13:34:11] <nick> i don't want to join that party
[13:35:01] <CoolHand> yeah, I hear that..
[13:36:38] <nick> there are a dozen ways to grind for a wage, in modern and traditional vocations, but being tangibly productive in an urban environment, i just can't see how
[13:40:42] <CoolHand> well, I have no answers.. I prefer not to overthink stuff anymore, do the best I can with what I got, keep a blind eye turned to big picture.. Follow the old advice of "don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nowhow permanent.."
[13:40:59] * CoolHand keeps himself dumb and happy
[13:43:50] <nick> fair enough, i'm just thinking out loud, i'm in a very good position and want to make the most of it
[13:47:18] <CoolHand> yeah, being in a very good position can bring it's own troubles I guess..
[13:51:46] <nick> things are only temporary as you say, opportunities exist, chances can be taken... but i'm concerned for family, as i'm the only person physically fit and healthy
[13:54:31] <CoolHand> I hear ya.. my wife and I would like to move out of state at some point, but due to family responsibilities, dunno if it will ever happen..
[13:57:34] <nick> the plan is that i'll eventually be able to work remotely and maybe be here 2-3months of the year
[13:59:21] <nick> if only to spend time with my dad
[14:01:23] <cmn32480> fuck I hate computers
[14:02:01] <nick> cmn32480++
[14:02:01] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 27
[14:02:24] <cmn32480> me thinks I need more than karma
[14:02:27] <cmn32480> I need an intern
[14:04:02] <nick> interns don't get paid right?
[14:04:13] <cmn32480> depends on the field
[14:04:23] <cmn32480> IT interns mostly do get paid
[14:06:34] <nick> ah, ok
[14:06:45] <nick> don't think that happens so much here
[14:08:30] <cmn32480> there are a lot of people looking for the job, and a lot of companies looking for the intern, and to get the good ones, you ahve to pay.
[14:08:38] <cmn32480> otherwise, you get the bottom of the barrell
[14:10:47] <nick> i think the concept is a bit newer here, from the perspectives i've heard on the topic, it creates a class barrier to entry
[14:11:08] <cmn32480> paying intersn creates a barrier to entry?
[14:11:18] <cmn32480> meaning that the company can't affrod it?
[14:11:34] <nick> only university students from wealthy families can afford to go unpaid, so it narrows down the potential applicants
[14:11:49] <cmn32480> correct
[14:12:30] <nick> in IT, i'd assume there's more variance, like you said, as who you know is not quite so important
[14:12:50] <cmn32480> no
[14:13:01] <cmn32480> who you know is probably the most important thing in getting a job
[14:13:17] <nick> although what i do see is, starting salaries are pretty poor in my opinion
[14:14:05] <nick> who you know does help a lot, probably about half the time in getting work
[14:14:29] <cmn32480> ah shit
[14:14:40] <nick> :(
[14:14:42] <cmn32480> my CRM system jsut started throwing errors in abad way
[14:14:52] <nick> people been using it again?
[14:14:59] <cmn32480> bleeping users
[14:15:38] <cmn32480> cerap... how did I fix this last time
[14:21:56] <cmn32480> fucking wincaccher
[14:22:03] <cmn32480> win-cache
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[16:15:59] <takyon> help
[16:16:13] <takyon> I'd like the Shenzhen story out at noon but I think it needs a sanity check
[16:16:14] <cmn32480> me rhonda yeah! get her outta my heart!
[16:18:38] <takyon> I'll note that it looks like all of gewg's subs are going to have this "OriginalOwner" thing on them, judgding by his latest submission in the sub list
[16:19:13] <takyon> I wonder why
[16:29:03] <cmn32480> who knows.
[16:29:15] <cmn32480> he's a little .... odd?
[16:30:30] <cmn32480> that link is kinda odd.
[16:30:42] <cmn32480> more so than we usually get from gewg_
[16:32:54] <cmn32480> and nothing personal, but if you refuse to use a registered nick, even when one has been reserved for you, you are kinda asking for it.
[16:43:31] <takyon> i just don't know what triggered the change. it's an old thread
[16:43:58] <takyon> it's genuine gewg given the "[...]Text" and lack of colon use in the subs.
[16:46:05] <takyon> how about the Shenzhen story
[16:48:20] <cmn32480> I dont' see it in the sub queue
[16:48:31] <cmn32480> has it already been promoted?
[16:48:40] <cmn32480> fouind it
[16:49:30] <cmn32480> what's the question?
[17:00:01] <takyon> it's long
[17:00:07] <takyon> and gewg used the weird name thing
[17:00:27] <takyon> it was kind of breaking news story that was subbed too late to be labeled as such
[17:00:38] <takyon> so that's why I wanted a second look before running it
[17:12:54] <cmn32480> I'd toss it on the end of the queu to go out late this evening
[17:20:28] <takyon> as is?
[17:28:50] <cmn32480> yes
[17:32:42] <takyon> i put it out late
[17:32:48] <takyon> ish
[17:38:07] <takyon> hey cmn32480
[17:38:14] <takyon> don't you pay a lot for your ISP?
[17:38:19] <takyon> put this guy in his place: https://soylentnews.org
[17:38:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN comment by [02VLM (445)] (02Score:2)
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