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[01:17:45] <paulej72> it wasn't me
[01:19:18] <cmn32480|away> I'd wagter he ate hos own cookie and forgot
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[02:09:29] <cmn32480> !quote 24
[02:09:29] <Bender> Quote 24 - <exec> <cmn32480> the actual function of the site will not be impared at all, other than not being accessible from the outside
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[02:14:44] <Bytram> Hey Yog-Yogguth! Wanna go on a pic-a-nic?
[02:14:48] <Yog-Yogguth> I've decided against submitting a story on the US/Twitter censorship thing because it seem too unclear http://motherboard.vice.com
[02:14:48] <knack> ^ 03Is Twitter Censoring a Blockbuster Report on US Drone Assassinations? | Motherboard
[02:14:58] <Yog-Yogguth> a pic-a-nic?
[02:15:16] <cmn32480> smh
[02:15:34] <cmn32480> I believe he tried (and failed) to make a yogi bear joke
[02:15:34] <Bytram> think 'Yogi Bear' -- "Hey Boo Boo! Wanna go on a pic-a-nic?"
[02:15:48] <Yog-Yogguth> oh I'm not all that familiar with those two bears
[02:16:35] <Bytram> me neither, for that matter. I was quite young an impressionable at the time -- I doubt I'd enjoy them as much, today.
[02:16:57] <Yog-Yogguth> Hanna Barbera right?
[02:17:06] <cmn32480> correct
[02:17:08] <Bytram> sounds right
[02:17:29] <Yog-Yogguth> I had some comics with them but never watched any of the cartoons
[02:17:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:18:17] <Bytram> they were the cheaply-done alternative to the classic loony-tunes and warner brothers cartoons
[02:18:52] <Yog-Yogguth> for some reason I always associate HB with South America, not sure why
[02:24:13] <Bytram> interesting... I'd never thought of that, but it 'feels' right to me. Maybe their choices of color tended to the colors one associates with that area?
[02:24:24] <Bytram> s/tended to/ tended to match/
[02:24:51] <Yog-Yogguth> no idea, maybe HB were the ones who had the speedy Gonzales character?
[02:24:58] <Bytram> hmm
[02:25:09] <Bytram> good one; don't know.
[02:25:43] <Bytram> nope; WB's Looney Toons
[02:25:53] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:25:53] <knack> ^ 03Wiki: Speedy Gonzales
[02:26:34] <Bytram> correction: Looney Toons *and* Merrie Melodies
[02:26:49] <Yog-Yogguth> ah ok not that then, probably Scooby-Doo (originally HB says Wikipedia)
[02:30:12] <Bytram> yes, that was definitely HB
[02:30:24] <Bytram> I'm thjinking the Flintstones were HB, too?
[02:30:34] <cmn32480> yup
[02:30:40] <cmn32480> and the jetsons
[02:31:08] <Yog-Yogguth> Flintstones, I'm sure Bam Bam is why, no actual reason but that just seems to click een though it's completely irrational
[02:31:40] <Bytram> a seeming 'trademark' of HB, as I recall was that whenever a character ran, there was a characteristic sound (like as to coconuts clomping)
[02:32:14] <Bytram> but, a little more 'boingy' at the same time.
[02:32:18] <Bytram> does that make any sense?
[02:33:46] <Yog-Yogguth> I can't remember :)
[02:33:59] <Bytram> That, and the drawing of the cartoons lacked detail compared to LT and MM
[02:34:21] <Bytram> not a lot, but it was noticeable to me.
[02:34:42] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah the style is simpler most of the time
[02:34:45] <Bytram> I'm sure as soon as you heard even one, you'd know exactly what I mean.
[02:35:11] <Bytram> my description of the sound fails to do it justice
[02:37:59] <Yog-Yogguth> there's been some updates on Pauline Cafferkey and it seems it wasn't Ebola after all(!!!). It doesn't make much sense to me but it's good news https://www.royalfree.nhs.uk
[02:38:00] <knack> ^ 03Pauline Cafferkey has improved | News | News Media | The Royal Free
[02:38:57] <Yog-Yogguth> maybe more information will be forthcoming
[02:39:20] <Yog-Yogguth> Bytram: yeah probably :)
[02:39:52] <Bytram> glad to hear it wasn't Ebola -- that's gotta really mess with your mind, especially after having gone through all that once before!
[02:40:30] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah, ot to mention it was starting to look like it might be a wider trend
[02:43:08] <Yog-Yogguth> she's still got meningitis which is nasty and I don't know what they mean precisely when they talk about it being caused by the original Ebola infection (beyond worse health?)
[02:43:46] <Bytram> which form? viral?
[02:43:54] <Bytram> definitely nasty eaither way
[02:44:01] <Yog-Yogguth> yes viral
[02:44:57] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[02:44:58] <knack> ^ 03Some Classic Hanna Barbera Cartoon Intros - YouTube
[02:45:39] <Yog-Yogguth> does it ahve the sound you're thinking about?
[02:46:08] <Yog-Yogguth> *finds out*
[02:46:09] <Bytram> yeah. kinda have to know its in there.. about 30s in
[02:46:59] <Yog-Yogguth> heh yeah XD
[02:47:12] <Bytram> do you know what I mean. now?
[02:47:15] <Yog-Yogguth> yup
[02:47:23] <cmn32480> night gentlemen. time for me to bug out
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[02:47:42] <Yog-Yogguth> and it's weird I had this SA association because watching that it strikes me as ultra-American XD
[02:47:42] <Bytram> instantly recognizable, fiendishly difficult to describe
[02:47:50] <Yog-Yogguth> cya cmn :)
[02:47:51] <Bytram> cmn32480|away: have a good one! ...
[02:48:10] <Bytram> thanks for hthe assistance with the site news / stretch goal stuff!
[02:52:23] <Bytram> Yog-Yogguth: and that HB 'sound of running' -- I swear it's like a trademark of theirs -- if hear *that* sound you just *know* who made it!
[02:52:33] <Yog-Yogguth> :)
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[09:00:57] <janrinok> Bytram: Congratulations! 1000!
[09:01:14] <Bytram> janrinok: merci!
[09:01:28] <janrinok> it takes a lot of effort - especially when you are doing 3 or more jobs at once
[09:01:29] * Bytram wonders if the story has gone live yet or if he miscounted?
[09:01:44] <janrinok> the 'Authors' page shows 1000
[09:01:52] <Bytram> =)
[09:02:09] * Bytram goes to look
[09:02:44] <Bytram> IOW /me has verified that the story count field can handle more than 3 digits!
[09:02:53] <Bytram> <wink>
[09:03:03] <janrinok> quick - document it!
[09:03:32] <janrinok> again, a bloody good effort. Thanks for all of your hard work.
[09:04:16] <janrinok> at the rate cmn32480|away is going, we will be 5 strong soon
[09:04:23] <Bytram> but, on a serious note, I did once report a bug on an IBM VM/SP program that failed to handle more than 999 pages/sec for paging -- the devs never thought that a system could sustain that high a rate and provided only a 3-digit field in the output
[09:04:56] * Bytram watched the paging field step up: 997... 998... 999... 000 (!)
[09:05:05] <janrinok> I think we have all seen problems like that, I have even written a few!
[09:05:19] <Bytram> for the curious, and IIRC, the command was 'INDICATE USER'
[09:05:29] <janrinok> but in them days every bit counted, you only used what you had to
[09:05:39] <Bytram> nod nod
[09:06:12] <janrinok> what are you doing awake in the v early morning - I thought that you were off this week?
[09:06:22] <Bytram> those were the days when 'hacking' meant getting the absolute last iota of performance out of a box because, even with that, there still wasn't enough available to do what you wanted to do.
[09:06:34] <Bytram> there's a word for it that escapes me atm
[09:06:43] <Bytram> I'm sure it's in the jargon file somewhere
[09:07:03] <janrinok> it was a computer on-board a mil aircraft with 8K of memory. It was amazing what we could make it do.
[09:07:42] <janrinok> weapon control, navigation, general purpose graphics - the lot
[09:07:48] <Bytram> janrinok: I am, but woke up (as I often do) and needed to, umm, take care of nature, noticed the time, and thought I'd take a look as to how the system reboots were going
[09:07:54] <Bytram> atm, fluorine is down
[09:08:13] <Bytram> sounds like assembly programming to me
[09:08:15] <janrinok> dedicated to the site - I'll get you a pay rise
[09:08:22] <Bytram> woo hoo!
[09:08:43] <janrinok> no we used CORAL 66 - the 66 gives you a clue when it was designed
[09:09:07] <janrinok> a real time language with similarities to ALGOL
[09:09:08] <Bytram> also, I noticed that there are 26 subs in the queue and realized you, being in Europe, get a 4-hour head start on us yanks!
[09:09:14] <Bytram> nice
[09:09:25] <janrinok> ... but I go to bed earlier :)
[09:09:31] <Bytram> CORAL -- is that a variant of Algol?
[09:09:39] <janrinok> ^
[09:09:47] <Bytram> janrinok: yeah,but that's after the queue has been quite depleted
[09:10:09] <janrinok> no, I answered your question while you were typing it
[09:10:22] * Bytram is (slightly) disappointed in his 1000th story.
[09:10:48] * Bytram was off by one in his count and was looking for a 'memorable' story to mark the 1000th story.
[09:10:51] <janrinok> why, what's wrong with it
[09:11:17] <Bytram> the NSA one is not really what I'd like to use to mark the occasion.
[09:11:37] <janrinok> the story count only gets calculated once per day, so is often a story or 3 behind the real world
[09:11:50] <Bytram> like dealing with a slimy snake oil salesman
[09:12:07] <janrinok> or, more correctly, the displays only get updated, I'm not sure which
[09:12:52] <janrinok> are you waiting to go back to bed now?
[09:12:56] <Bytram> I am aware of that, that's why I'd go to the authors page, click on the link count (e.g. 1000), and on the searchpage, sort by Date (most recent first)
[09:13:07] <Bytram> that would let me see what the last-counted story was.
[09:13:18] <Bytram> apparently that algo needs some revision!
[09:13:22] <Bytram> oh well.
[09:13:40] <janrinok> I'm not sure our beliefs on when the stories actually increase our personal tally is correct.
[09:14:30] <janrinok> I 'think' it might be about 0200 UTC when it totals all the stories so far
[09:14:59] <Bytram> ISTR seeing the number get updated over the course of the day.
[09:15:16] <janrinok> for example, I don't think the count will show your 46-billion-pixel story until 0200UTC tomorrow
[09:15:42] <janrinok> I've never seen it do that, but I don't know how it actually is coded
[09:15:45] <Bytram> one way to find out
[09:15:52] <Bytram> check your count atm
[09:16:02] <janrinok> 2432
[09:16:09] <Bytram> in under 15 minutes, your BBC micro python story is due to come out.
[09:16:14] <janrinok> k
[09:16:25] <Bytram> find out what it lists as your most-recent story...
[09:16:37] <Bytram> click on the count field and it'll take you to the search page
[09:17:19] <Bytram> select 'Sort By Date (Most recent First)' and click Search
[09:17:41] * Bytram notes the capitalization on this site is wildly inconsistent!
[09:17:56] <Bytram> it shows this as being your most recent story: https://soylentnews.org
[09:17:57] <knack> ^ 03SN article: How Zero-Day Vulnerabilities Are Traded and Used 04(0 comments)
[09:18:15] <janrinok> yep, agreed
[09:18:24] <Bytram> that 'went live' at 08:03
[09:18:48] <Bytram> and that is *just* before the next story of yours that is scheduled to 'go live'
[09:19:00] <Bytram> so, at least the search page is up-to-the-minute
[09:19:01] <janrinok> make sense, but I can't recall seeing the authors page keep step with that
[09:19:20] <janrinok> not that I sit and watch it that much
[09:19:49] <janrinok> I might check it every couple of days, although I confess to having watched your approach to 1k so as not to miss it
[09:20:07] <Bytram> well, if my theory is correct, it should update in ten minutes or so
[09:20:21] <Bytram> awww!
[09:21:01] <janrinok> well, if I am meant to be 'leading' this group of misfits and oddballs, I ought to show a little interest in what people are doing ...
[09:21:16] <Bytram> at the rate you are going, you may well hit 2,500 stories before the month is out!
[09:21:36] <janrinok> I have promised myself a short break when/if I reach 3k
[09:21:41] * Bytram definitely fits the description!
[09:22:03] <Bytram> 3K? that sounds rather cold, no?
[09:22:07] <Bytram> ;)
[09:22:16] <janrinok> well, winter is approaching
[09:22:50] * Bytram is unsure if J noticed the reference to degrees Kelvin
[09:23:04] <janrinok> I did!
[09:23:08] <Bytram> looks like fluorine is still down atm
[09:23:37] <Bytram> sometimes, my humor (such as it is) is,ummm, obtuse
[09:23:55] <janrinok> I don't normally log on at this time of day - my mornings are for doing chores etc, I don't normally come on until around 14-1500 local
[09:24:14] <Bytram> fwiw, before fluorine was rebooted, I happened to note that it had 93 days of uptime
[09:24:26] <janrinok> but I noticed your achievement and was going to leave a little message, but you logged on at the same time!
[09:24:30] <Bytram> so, what brings you here this time of morning
[09:24:39] <janrinok> ^
[09:24:59] <Bytram> point made
[09:25:24] <janrinok> I'm doing laundry, ironing and gardening as when time allows me - but I have stopped for a cup of tea!
[09:25:40] <Bytram> good for you!
[09:25:51] <janrinok> doesn't take much to stop me :)
[09:26:15] <janrinok> will have to go in about 5-10 mins to start preparing lunch
[09:26:55] <Bytram> as an American, when I working on that project for F1, I at first found the practice of stopping everything for afternoon tea to be, umm, quaint. Didn't take long for me to grow accustomed to it and now wish it were practiced on this side of the pond!
[09:27:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[09:27:15] <Bytram> your next story should be out by then
[09:27:28] <janrinok> 1 minute or so to go
[09:27:41] * Bytram wishes that each page on the site displayed a timestamp in UTC
[09:28:29] <janrinok> its out
[09:28:51] <janrinok> no update on authors yet
[09:29:42] <janrinok> nor on search
[09:29:43] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[09:29:44] <knack> ^ 03SN article: The Story of MicroPython on the BBC micro:bit 04(0 comments)
[09:29:58] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[09:29:59] <knack> ^ 03Error
[09:30:16] <Bytram> so, it HAS been released, if you follow what I just did there
[09:30:28] <janrinok> yep, I can see that
[09:31:05] <Bytram> as editors,*we* can see into the future, but the bot (prolly as an AC) cannot
[09:31:52] <Bytram> Authors page and Search both are not yet updated
[09:32:18] <janrinok> well, in honour of BTTF, I came here yesterday and had this conversation with you, so I know what happens next. But I am sworn not to reveal it or Dr Who said something nasty will happen
[09:32:43] <Bytram> then again, fluorine is down, so are testing is being performed on a perturbed system
[09:33:05] <janrinok> true - perhaps that is what he meant by 'something nasty'
[09:33:07] <Bytram> then again, given what some compounds containing fluorine can do, it's not surprising
[09:33:43] <janrinok> right, got to go and feed us both at this end. See you again in a few hours no doubt, at least I hope so. Go finish your sleep!
[09:33:54] <Bytram> klooks like fluorine is rebooting; ssh fluorine
[09:34:15] <Bytram> was reporting: ssh: connect to host fluorine port 22: No route to
[09:34:20] <Bytram> was reporting: ssh: connect to host fluorine port 22: No route to host
[09:34:24] <Bytram> and is now reporting:
[09:34:33] <janrinok> more haste less speed
[09:34:34] <Bytram> ssh: connect to host fluorine port 22: Connection refused
[09:34:55] <janrinok> lol!
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[09:35:07] <Bytram> putty has (yet another) cut-and-paste paradigm
[09:35:37] <Bytram> that tells me that, instead of having nothing on the other side, it now has a process there but it is masked to block connections atm
[09:37:05] <Bytram> btw, that was a *lot* of fun working with everyone yesterday to get the new stretch-goal story and bar graph display working
[09:37:30] * Bytram is updating: https://soylentnews.org
[09:37:31] <knack> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[09:38:55] <Bytram> hmmm
[09:39:01] * Bytram smiles and wonders
[09:39:06] <Bytram> =yack
[09:39:27] <Bytram> hmm, wrong syntax?
[09:39:30] <Bytram> =name yack
[09:41:34] <Bytram> =knack yack
[09:41:43] <Bytram> ahhh
[09:41:48] <Bytram> =nick yack
[09:41:48] knack is now known as yack
[09:41:52] <Bytram> =)
[09:42:51] * Bytram refreshes authors page
[09:43:05] * Bytram sees janrinok_afk is still listed at 2432
[09:45:07] <Bytram> and, it seems search still has not yet caught up; most recent story listed is still: https://soylentnews.org
[09:45:08] <yack> ^* 03SN article: How Zero-Day Vulnerabilities Are Traded and Used 04(0 comments)
[09:45:32] <Bytram> according to the story queue, this is next up: https://soylentnews.org
[09:45:32] <yack> ^* 03SN article: The Story of MicroPython on the BBC micro:bit 04(0 comments)
[09:45:43] <Bytram> and, it *has* apparently now gone live.
[09:46:03] <Bytram> so, there's some kind of caching going on, but unclear as to how much that would be
[09:47:14] <Bytram> janrinok_afk: never finished the thought from earlier; it was my hope that my 1000th story would have been: https://soylentnews.org
[09:47:15] <yack> ^ 03Error
[09:48:22] * Bytram supposes, if he wanted to, to mark the NSA story as NOT DISPLAY, and then the 46-gigapixel Milky Way photo would become his 1000th story... =)
[09:50:26] <Bytram> http://www.innovations-report.com
[09:50:30] <yack> ^ 03Historic Delft Experiments tests Einstein's 'God does not play dice' using quantum 'dice' made in Barcelona
[10:12:53] <Bytram> afk, biab
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[11:50:18] <Bytram> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[11:50:18] <yack> ^* 03Astronomers catch a black hole shredding a star to pieces: Scientists contribute to observation of closest tidal disruption in nearly a decade -- ScienceDaily
[11:50:35] <Bytram> http://www.innovations-report.com
[11:50:38] <yack> ^ 03Astronomers catch a black hole shredding a star to pieces
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[12:12:56] <cmn32480> GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD MORNING!
[12:31:03] <Bytram> vietnam?
[12:31:18] <Bytram> cmn32480: I'm over here where we have a bot to get headlines
[12:31:21] <Bytram> Kepler K2 Mission Spots a Vaporizing Exoplanet Orbiting a White Dwarf
[12:31:28] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[12:31:29] <yack> ^ 03Error
[12:32:04] <Bytram> Astronomers Catch a Black Hole Shredding a Star to Pieces
[12:32:09] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[12:32:10] <yack> ^ 03SN Submission by martyb: Astronomers Catch a Black Hole Shredding a Star to Pieces
[12:32:24] <cmn32480> am here
[12:32:38] * Bytram is not all here, but you've known that for a while
[12:32:39] <cmn32480> had to take a phone call.
[12:32:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:32:47] <Bytram> change your number
[12:32:50] <Bytram> ;)
[12:32:59] <cmn32480> God I wish
[12:33:37] <Bytram> from now on, when you give out your number swap a couple digits each time.
[12:33:54] <Bytram> ;)
[12:35:23] <Bytram> that was a quickly-written story that I put together to ride on the coattails of the vaporizing planet story
[12:35:57] <Bytram> I'd seen both earlier and when I saw the vaporized planet story, well, I just *HAD* to submit the SMBH eating a STAR story!
[12:36:16] <Bytram> taking a break; back in a bit
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[12:40:41] <janrinok> cmn32480: good morrow to you good sir!!
[12:55:05] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[12:55:06] <yack> ^ 03Halloween asteroid a treat for radar astronomers
[12:55:24] <janrinok> hi again Bytram
[12:55:30] <Bytram> hi
[12:55:44] <janrinok> any idea why CH's story is not for display?
[12:56:16] <Bytram> nope
[12:56:48] <janrinok> well, all I can do is delay it until somebody knows why, I suppose
[12:57:12] <cmn32480> daggone work getting in the way of my stuff
[12:57:14] * Bytram goes to take a look
[12:58:02] <Bytram> huh, didn't notice that it was DISPLAY OFF
[12:58:50] <janrinok> well, it has CH as author, and it's not been 2nd'ed, so there is no reason why you would have noticed
[12:59:26] <janrinok> just out of interest, Author page still not updated
[13:00:41] <Bytram> I see nothing amiss with CoooolHand's story; am setting it to DISPLAY
[13:00:52] <cmn32480> agreedd
[13:01:34] <janrinok> hi cmn32480 !!
[13:01:42] <cmn32480> morning janrinok !!
[13:02:22] <janrinok> Bytram got up in the middle of the night so that I could congratulate him on 1000 stories. I'm not sure he ever went back to bed..
[13:03:03] * Bytram smiles, sleepily
[13:03:15] <cmn32480> conga rats Bytram!
[13:03:25] <Bytram> let's dance
[13:03:33] <cmn32480> despite my best efforts.. you managed to cross the 1000 story threshold
[13:04:07] <Bytram> nice try, Padawan
[13:04:26] <cmn32480> do or do not, there is no try
[13:04:57] <Bytram> nice do, padawan... now get a shampoo
[13:05:17] <cmn32480> no need... bald!
[13:05:38] <Bytram> reject shampoo - accept only real do!
[13:05:53] <cmn32480> we don't reject... we decline.
[13:06:09] * Bytram is thinking of recline atm
[13:06:27] <cmn32480> s/do/poo/ bytram
[13:06:31] <Bytram> and, I'm expecting a phone call shortly, so signing of for now
[13:06:37] <cmn32480> have fun sor!
[13:06:44] <Bytram> yeah. blame it on lack of sheep
[13:06:44] <cmn32480> see you in a while, crocadile
[13:06:51] <Bytram> s/sheep/sleep/
[13:07:03] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[13:07:09] <cmn32480> what you and your sheep do is none of my business
[13:07:17] <janrinok> happy zzzzzzzzz's Bytram|away
[13:07:39] <janrinok> how's your day shaping up cmn?
[13:07:50] <cmn32480> same as yesterday and likely tomorrow
[13:08:02] <cmn32480> but we are going camping with the cub scouts this weekend, so that shoudl be good
[13:08:05] <Bytram|away> janrinok: I quickly put together a story about a supermassive black hole shredding a start, and I think it would be really neat if we could have it immediately follow the story about a white dwarf star shredding a planet
[13:08:19] <janrinok> is that our tomorrow or your tomorrow?
[13:08:34] <janrinok> Bytram|away: do you not think that 2 space stories together is a bit much?
[13:08:41] <cmn32480> both, if we go BTTF
[13:08:47] <Bytram|away> there's not enough space on this site!
[13:08:51] <Bytram|away> ;)
[13:08:57] <cmn32480> we planet that way
[13:09:02] <Bytram|away> yeh, I suppose it could wait.
[13:09:05] <Bytram|away> cmn32480: LOL!
[13:09:09] <cmn32480> it is star-tiling
[13:09:10] <Bytram|away> ok, gtg. laterst!
[13:09:19] <janrinok> get off my orbit
[13:09:20] <Bytram|away> ouch!
[13:09:37] <cmn32480> I dind't moon to get under your skin
[13:09:52] * janrinok thinks its a case of 'here we go again'
[13:09:54] <Bytram|away> and then, closer to home, we have an asteroid that is going to make a close encounter on halloween: http://phys.org
[13:09:55] <yack> ^* 03Halloween asteroid a treat for radar astronomers
[13:10:08] <Bytram|away> only 300 km from earth.
[13:10:15] <janrinok> and there are 2 or 3 more space stories in the queue
[13:10:20] <cmn32480> janrinok - bytram was a touch disappointed he missed yesterday
[13:10:26] <Bytram|away> oops 300, 000 miles (480, 000 KM)
[13:10:37] <janrinok> thank G for that!
[13:10:40] <Bytram|away> anyway really gtg. bye!
[13:10:45] <janrinok> zzzzzzzzzz
[13:13:55] <janrinok> yep, that was a fairly quick pun session that we had, but it does stop me from achieving anything else while I am on here :)
[14:12:14] <janrinok> cmn32480: did you fall asleep the same time that Bytram|away did - or are you just busy :)?
[14:26:58] <cmn32480> stupid job keeps getting in the way
[14:27:14] <janrinok> yeah, jobs keep doing that...
[14:29:11] <cmn32480> I can't help that the customers keep calling.....
[14:30:09] <janrinok> you could always unplug your phone and pretend you hadn't noticed
[14:30:20] <cmn32480> God I wish
[14:31:04] <nick> urghh
[14:31:16] <cmn32480> pretty much sums it up Nick
[14:31:25] <janrinok> hi nick
[14:32:40] <cmn32480> still creating content are you?
[14:44:44] <janrinok> looks like he is still busy ...
[14:45:28] <nick> yup
[14:45:42] <nick> im here, just making lunch, starving as usual by the time i get here
[14:46:13] <cmn32480> better than sitting around thumb planted squarely in rectum
[14:47:33] <janrinok> very true that
[14:47:48] <cmn32480> back to the phones.... sigh
[14:53:57] <nick> :(
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[16:01:40] <cmn32480> hmmmm... anybody else notice we haven't seen much from Hugh Pickens lately?
[16:08:15] <cmn32480> I retract my previous statement. he just dumped 2 subs into the queue
[16:08:30] <cmn32480> am I always wrong? or just behind sometimes?
[16:10:05] <nick> lol
[16:10:27] <nick> i just had to remind someone they're not paying me to run cables ¬_¬
[16:10:35] <nick> people are useless
[16:10:45] <cmn32480> but if they would LIKE to pay you to run cable....
[16:11:55] <nick> if they'd pay me my normal rate to run cables, sure
[16:11:58] <nick> but i dont think they want that
[16:12:17] <cmn32480> never hursts to offer. Maybe they take you up on it.
[16:12:48] <nick> not going to happen, blood out of a stone
[16:13:18] <cmn32480> suck
[16:13:47] <nick> i have to make sure they dont try and go around me to supply their own cable
[16:13:57] <cmn32480> oooo
[16:14:12] <cmn32480> cut them off at the knees... tell them it has already bee ordered.
[16:14:50] <nick> it will be presented are a foregone conclusion
[16:15:33] <nick> i told them they needed it like a month ago, and now all of a sudden it needs to happen tomorrow
[16:15:48] <cmn32480> nice
[16:16:12] <cmn32480> there is a reason the call them cuss-tomers
[16:16:23] <nick> im sure you know how it goes ;)
[16:16:36] <cmn32480> I am pretty familiar, yes.
[16:18:36] <nick> shit may hit the fan elsewhere too, another client has just lost the the third CFO in 12 months.
[16:18:57] <nick> after acquisition in the year before
[16:19:01] <cmn32480> egad! that'll do wonders for stability
[16:19:40] <nick> losing all the old staff who kept the place running, and no one knows whats going on anymore
[16:20:31] <nick> seems to be that management dont stay in jobs long at all anymore, in general
[16:23:12] <cmn32480> if you had a golden parachute... you might jump too
[16:24:54] <nick> i just remember 'back in the day' management were generally around for at least 5 years in any role
[16:25:07] <nick> but now 12-24months feels like the average
[16:25:42] <cmn32480> I can't say I disagree
[16:27:34] <cmn32480> though in my experience, the ones who leave quick are either really good and get a better gig, or really bad, and leave before they can get canned
[16:29:53] <nick> sure
[16:30:09] <nick> just seem thats the only option now, no one thats actually good at doing the job
[16:30:19] <nick> or cares to do it
[16:34:17] <nick> it does depend on the size of the business too, those types of people mostly work in larger ones
[16:34:28] <cmn32480> yes
[16:34:34] <cmn32480> SMB types are generally around longer
[16:34:35] <nick> bureaucracy heavy with complicated structures
[16:35:01] <nick> yeah, they're expected to do work and becomes painfully obvious when they're not
[16:36:03] <cmn32480> truth!
[16:45:53] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[16:48:56] <Bytram> then again, the good managers, the ones who get things done, well, *their* management notices it and gives them more to do until they cannot get it all done -- and decicde they've had enough of this and leave.
[16:49:50] <Bytram> I've been in the same dept for the past 7-8 years and have had 4 different managers in that time
[16:53:11] <cmn32480> my dept has had the smae manager for 6 years. Me
[16:53:25] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[16:53:25] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 18
[16:53:29] <Bytram> staying power!
[16:53:39] <cmn32480> that's what she said!
[16:53:59] <Bytram> hmm I played around with git, made a branch, changed some code, and now want to toss it all away...
[16:54:05] <Bytram> is there a simple way to do that?
[16:54:17] <cmn32480> the delete key?
[16:54:23] <Bytram> if anyone happens to know offhand, otherwise I'll do a search
[16:54:36] <cmn32480> the buzzard might know
[16:54:48] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:56:12] <Bytram> hmm git branch looks interesting
[16:56:57] * Bytram reads: http://git-scm.com
[16:56:58] <yack> ^ 03Git - Undoing Things
[17:05:14] <Bytram> found an answer on StackOverflow:
[17:05:15] <Bytram> To remove a local branch from your machine:
[17:05:15] <Bytram> git branch -d the_local_branch
[17:05:15] <Bytram> To remove a remote branch from the server:
[17:05:15] <Bytram> git push origin :the_remote_branch
[17:09:10] <Bytram> that gave me some errors
[17:09:14] * Bytram looks at: http://makandracards.com
[17:09:15] <yack> ^ 03Git: Delete a branch (local or remote) - makandropedia
[17:10:09] <Bytram> git branch -d the_local_branch
[17:10:21] <Bytram> urg. that's what I did...
[17:12:00] <Bytram> git fetch --all --prune
[17:12:40] <Bytram> that looks a lot better
[17:13:10] <cmn32480> git fetch all prunes.... careful that might give you the craps
[17:13:15] <Bytram> or maybe not... looks like I now have 4 more branches
[17:15:23] <cmn32480> would a shovel be faster to dig this hole Bytram?
[17:15:46] <Bytram> how about a steam shovel ?
[17:16:02] <cmn32480> does it come with a locomotive?
[17:17:16] <cmn32480> preferably HO scale
[17:17:24] <Bytram> yes, but I don't know if it can get up to 88 mph!
[17:17:51] <cmn32480> no problem... I have a De'Lorean that will do that just fine
[17:18:02] <cmn32480> do me a favor?
[17:18:04] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:18:07] <Bytram> yeah
[17:18:08] <cmn32480> watch out for the Red Log.
[17:18:19] * Bytram is confused
[17:19:07] <cmn32480> the last log that they put in the train firebox in BTTF 3...
[17:19:14] <cmn32480> Doc's "Special" logs
[17:19:35] <Bytram> I just DDG'ed it -- yeah, done that
[17:19:50] <Bytram> szechuan extra spicy had a way of catching up on me
[17:19:51] <cmn32480> DDG'd it?
[17:19:53] <cmn32480> OH
[17:19:57] <cmn32480> Duck Duck Go!@
[17:19:58] <Bytram> DuckDuckGo.com
[17:20:04] <Bytram> =)
[17:20:20] <cmn32480> same problem as eating all the prunes...
[17:20:42] <Bytram> hmm, there's an idea - spicy hot prunes!
[17:21:10] <Bytram> that will clean out anything in your digestive system
[17:21:14] <Bytram> s/any/every/
[17:22:28] <Bytram> hmm, I think I need to create a NEW branch, and then i can delete the old one
[17:23:14] <Bytram> git checkout -b whatevah
[17:23:39] <cmn32480> .op\
[17:23:42] <cmn32480> .op
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[17:23:50] <Bytram> yah, that did it!
[17:24:06] <cmn32480> .deop
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[17:24:13] <cmn32480> I was trying to get sedctl over here
[17:24:18] <cmn32480> <fail>
[17:24:20] <Bytram> cmn32480: .op and at em?
[17:24:32] <cmn32480> <groan!>
[17:24:56] <Bytram> hmm; .op & @ M ?
[17:25:14] <cmn32480> <groan!> <groan!>
[17:25:34] <Bytram> want some Tums?
[17:25:45] <cmn32480> but I fail to see what James Bond's gadget guy has to do with anything
[17:25:56] <Bytram> Q?
[17:25:58] <cmn32480> you might need them after the extra spicy prunes
[17:26:08] <Bytram> 2 true
[17:26:11] <cmn32480> rats.. M was the boss...
[17:26:17] <cmn32480> or perhapps Pepto
[17:26:17] <Bytram> yep
[17:28:46] <Bytram> If you got indigestion in Italy because a lie you told was eating you up, would you get Giepepto?
[17:28:56] * Bytram lets himself out
[17:29:25] * cmn32480 slams the door behind him
[17:30:10] * cmn32480 encourages Bytram to keep walking with machine gun fire
[17:30:57] * Bytram just chuckles... says "you think THAT's a gun?" ... and then quickens his pace
[17:31:32] * cmn32480 hops in a tank and follows
[17:32:19] * Bytram runs to the base, jumps into a jet, and puts it into overdrive
[17:33:01] * cmn32480 fires the integrated SAM
[17:33:10] <janrinok_afk> Bytram: referring to your git problem a while back - just simply checkout the baseline from git and it will overwrite all of your play changes
[17:33:16] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[17:33:32] <cmn32480> ^^somebody is trying to ruin our fun!
[17:33:45] <janrinok> you did it to me yesterday :)
[17:33:58] <cmn32480> touce
[17:34:10] <Bytram> figured as much, but couldn't recall a command to do it. Solution was to create a NEW branch, then (and only then) could I delete the old one
[17:34:32] <janrinok> but if you just checkout, you don't have to do any of that
[17:34:33] <Bytram> two shay? or not two shay? that is the question.
[17:34:45] <janrinok> yes Bond
[17:34:57] * cmn32480 pockets the extra shay for later
[17:35:12] <Bytram> shaym on you@
[17:35:13] <janrinok> for those old enough to remember the 'original' Bond!
[17:37:26] <cmn32480> Sean Connery....
[17:37:30] * cmn32480 swoons
[17:37:35] * Bytram feignsignorance
[17:37:40] * Bytram feigns ignorance
[17:38:07] * cmn32480 wasn't even a twinkle in his Daddy's eye when the first Bond movies came out..
[17:38:17] <janrinok> you young 'uns
[17:39:16] <Bytram> so when DID the first Bond movie come out?
[17:39:53] <cmn32480> https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:39:54] <yack> ^ 03Wiki: James Bond
[17:40:06] <janrinok> 1962, I was already in school about to start at Grammar School
[17:40:16] <cmn32480> which started in 1962 with Dr. No, starring Sean Connery as Bond.
[17:40:39] <cmn32480> I would be born 18 years later....
[17:41:16] <janrinok> I joined the Air Force in the year that you were born!
[17:41:24] * Bytram has seen it, but not when it was originally released in the theaters
[17:42:15] * Bytram just might have been in college at that time
[17:42:15] <janrinok> no, I joined 10 years before that!
[17:42:31] * janrinok feels very very old now
[17:42:48] * cmn32480 enjoys making you guys feel old.
[17:42:49] * Bytram prefers the term 'experienced'
[17:42:59] <janrinok> started work in 1968 and joined up in 1970
[17:43:30] <cmn32480> was it a pain chiling your name in the stone tablet for the sign up agreement?
[17:44:05] <Bytram> not as much as correcting younguns' speeling misteaks
[17:44:14] <Bytram> ;)
[17:44:15] <janrinok> don't be silly, you do it in soft clay and then bake it!
[17:44:27] <Bytram> that reminds me! time for lunch!
[17:44:32] <Bytram> biab afk
[17:44:37] <cmn32480> hehehehe
[17:45:14] <janrinok> does he really eat clay for lunch - you Americans are very weird
[17:45:34] <cmn32480> probably... he was tlaking about very spicy prunes before...
[17:46:00] <janrinok> lol
[17:46:36] <cmn32480> I told him it would give the flaming shits....
[17:46:59] <janrinok> the thought alone terrifies me
[17:47:13] <cmn32480> uh huh
[17:48:42] <Bytram> it *was* just a passing thought
[17:48:52] <cmn32480> it get fired?
[17:49:43] <janrinok> prunes wrapped in bacon and grilled are surprisingly delicious - known as devils on horseback
[17:54:43] <janrinok> anyone know how Takyon's house move went - I assume it was successful?
[17:55:15] <cmn32480> did he move the whole house or just the contents?
[17:55:37] <janrinok> I thought I was asking the questions? What is this, a quiz?
[17:55:47] <cmn32480> yes
[17:55:56] <cmn32480> we will give you a failing grae after you are incorrect
[17:56:05] <janrinok> OK, is 'dunno' an acceptable answer?
[17:59:29] <Bytram> hmm, I dunno.
[18:00:04] <janrinok> in that case 'dunno'
[18:00:13] <Bytram> janrinok: for future reference, how WOULD I toss all my local changes and get a fresh SoylentNews repo?
[18:00:44] <janrinok> simply log on the SN git account a checkout the lastest from there
[18:00:58] <janrinok> latest*
[18:01:15] <janrinok> then you can create your own branch and off you go again
[18:01:30] <janrinok> How did you check out the last one?
[18:01:38] * Bytram checks his notes
[18:01:42] <cmn32480> with a sidelong glance no doubt.
[18:01:52] <cmn32480> the branches don't like being ogled
[18:02:00] <Bytram> ♫♪♫♩
[18:02:07] <Bytram> nope, that didn't help
[18:02:56] <janrinok> you must have downloaded something to get yourself started whenever that was - TMB must have helped you through that bit
[18:03:14] <Bytram> well, I'd rather not have to redownload the whole repo again
[18:03:32] <Bytram> git clone https://github.com
[18:03:34] <yack> ^ 03marty-b/rehash · GitHub ( https://github.com )
[18:03:36] <janrinok> so have you still got the whole repo on your system?
[18:03:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:03:56] <janrinok> well then, nothing to do, create a new branch and off you go
[18:04:01] <cmn32480> is ther like a syncronize function or smethign that we are miisng?
[18:04:27] <Bytram> yeah, say I changed some files and decided it was a mess and wanted to start over.
[18:04:40] <Bytram> would this do it:
[18:04:40] <Bytram> git pull upstream master && git push origin master
[18:04:45] <janrinok> if you want a 'fresh SoylentNews repo' - which is what you asked for - then you have to get it from SN git
[18:05:40] <janrinok> if you want to continue with your existing local repo - and I don't know what state that is in - then create a new branch and off you go
[18:06:11] <Bytram> since git 'knows' I only changed a couple files, is there no way to tell it to only pull down the originals for those files and thus, effectively, restore my local repo to match the master?
[18:06:43] <janrinok> it does that automatically - it checks the hash values and if you already have it, it will move on
[18:06:59] <Bytram> aha! that was what I was missing.
[18:07:07] <cmn32480> https://www.google.com
[18:07:09] <janrinok> at least the one that I use does
[18:07:19] <cmn32480> https://help.github.com
[18:07:20] <yack> ^ 03Syncing a fork - User Documentation
[18:07:23] <Bytram> I ask it to pull down the entire repo, but it only brings down the files it needs to
[18:07:36] <Bytram> hmm, isn't a fork different from a branch?
[18:07:40] <janrinok> yep, it is pretty intelligent
[18:07:50] * Bytram notes it is hard to eat with a branch
[18:07:53] <janrinok> dunno - never made a fork
[18:07:59] <Bytram> oh, ok
[18:08:22] <cmn32480> janrinok eats with a spoon
[18:08:42] <Bytram> oh, we're into spooning now, are we?
[18:08:52] <Bytram> brogrammers, geeesh!
[18:08:53] * cmn32480 calls "Big Spoon"
[18:08:55] <janrinok> I don't know - but I guess you download the existing stuff, somehow break it's link with the master, and then start if off again as a master
[18:09:05] <janrinok> cmn32480: spoon - I use my fingers
[18:09:21] <cmn32480> golly... I hope you wash your hands...
[18:09:30] <Bytram> yeah, I knwo *what* I want to do, just struggling with the syntax
[18:09:46] <Bytram> it's only a matter of practice and time. making progress!
[18:09:51] <Bytram> thanks for the help!
[18:10:15] <janrinok> I'd have to grab my git book and look that one up. And I don't know how SN git is structured as I don't have the same sharing requirements
[18:11:22] <Bytram> nod nod; no worries
[18:12:11] * Bytram fetches lunch
[18:13:00] <cmn32480> I hate it when I order stuff and the accessories get here but not the main part
[18:13:18] <janrinok> not good!
[18:13:32] <cmn32480> no.. just on tomorrow's UPS truck instead
[18:14:05] <janrinok> lucky it wasn't a request for a pizza and extras
[18:15:05] <cmn32480> that'd just be messy
[18:17:39] <Bytram> other way around has problems, too. Arriving a day before your luggage. :(
[18:18:26] <cmn32480> been there.... visit walmart for new underroos
[18:18:36] <Bytram> ypu
[18:18:40] <Bytram> ypu
[18:18:46] <Bytram> urg
[18:18:57] <Bytram> yes, I've done that too
[18:19:20] <janrinok> you type in sha1?
[18:19:36] <Bytram> npoe
[18:19:39] <Bytram> ;)
[18:19:57] <cmn32480> just good at speeling mistooks?
[18:20:00] <Bytram> have my lunch in front of kbd and trying to type around it
[18:20:24] <janrinok> why do you type around the keyboard - try typing ON it
[18:20:39] <Bytram> I'll try and remember that
[18:20:52] <cmn32480> but don't type on your lunch.... your fingers will get messy
[18:23:28] <Bytram> k, I'll just typo on my lunch, instead
[18:25:28] <Bytram> janrinok: are you still in the Apache Spark story?
[18:25:38] <janrinok> nope
[18:25:47] <Bytram> k,thnx
[18:26:06] <cmn32480> I thought about a "native Americans already have fire" dept line...
[18:26:42] <janrinok> works for me
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[18:26:56] <janrinok> ... but I'm crap at depts
[18:27:23] <cmn32480> I dind't want to offend the SJW's
[18:27:42] <janrinok> probably a good call
[18:28:22] <cmn32480> unfortunately that was all I was able to do during lunch
[18:28:31] <cmn32480> while fighting wiht my WSUS server
[18:28:48] <janrinok> I take it. it is winning?
[18:28:57] <cmn32480> good guess Kreskin
[18:29:58] <Bytram> when dealin with WSUS, what you need is a kracken!
[18:30:11] <cmn32480> or a sledgehammer
[18:30:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:30:56] <janrinok> for some values of 'fixed'
[18:36:48] <cmn32480> fixed woudl be defined as working how I want
[18:36:58] <cmn32480> at this time the WSUS server is not "fixed"
[18:37:13] <cmn32480> at this tiem the WSUS server is "Bytram'd"
[18:37:25] <Bytram> LOL!
[18:37:27] <janrinok> oooh, that is bad
[18:37:39] <cmn32480> broken
[18:37:41] <cmn32480> borked
[18:37:43] <cmn32480> busted
[18:37:53] <cmn32480> foobar
[18:37:58] <cmn32480> f**ked
[18:38:02] <cmn32480> not working
[18:38:11] <cmn32480> and frustrating the living hell out of me
[18:38:14] <Bytram> pining for the fjirds?
[18:38:37] <cmn32480> pining for somethign that bloody works right from MS
[18:38:42] <Bytram> hmmm.... an idea
[18:38:51] <cmn32480> Linux doens't have an equivalent
[18:39:06] <cmn32480> not even under WINE
[18:39:14] <Bytram> http://www.wsusoffline.net
[18:39:15] <yack> ^ 03WSUS Offline Update - Update Microsoft Windows and Office without an Internet connection
[18:39:18] <janrinok> er, systemd?
[18:40:00] <Bytram> I have not personally used it but I have heard some people I respected sing its praises
[18:40:13] <cmn32480> awesome, except that I have to maintain the gigabytes of patches someplace.
[18:40:27] <Bytram> external USB?
[18:40:28] <janrinok> it works, I've got it on one system and it runs no problem.
[18:40:35] <Bytram> noice!
[18:40:39] <cmn32480> my WSUS server used to work.
[18:40:55] <cmn32480> it's trying to figure out why it no longer does that is becoming a pain in the ass
[18:40:59] <janrinok> ah, but one day it will be good again - unlike systemd
[18:41:57] <cmn32480> the bigger issue is that I have to manage 50+ systems and servers.
[18:42:05] <cmn32480> doing it one at a time is not an option
[18:42:20] <Bytram> are you working on updating only one system, or multiple? IOW, could thelocal system be borked, but an update would work okay on a different one?
[18:42:35] <cmn32480> no.. this is borked server side
[18:42:43] <Bytram> urg.
[18:43:28] <janrinok> I have nothing intelligent to offer - will silly banter just piss you off more?
[18:43:30] <Bytram> still, have you been 'practicing' on just one system, or have you tried multiple?
[18:43:57] <cmn32480> it is the console that isn't working right.
[18:44:14] <cmn32480> if I get the updates approved, they push out correctly
[18:44:26] <Bytram> so you're trying to *push* the changes out to the workstations?
[18:44:35] <Bytram> ninja'd
[18:44:41] <Bytram> at least I'm on the right path!
[18:44:43] <cmn32480> ok
[18:44:46] <cmn32480> WSUS primer
[18:44:58] <cmn32480> Set it up server side
[18:45:13] <cmn32480> the server talks to the upstream MS server to find out what patches are now avaialble.
[18:45:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:45:44] <cmn32480> it downloads the list, and based on the settings in my Group Policies, all my domina workstations and servers talk to one spefici server to get the updates.
[18:46:12] <cmn32480> but the downloads all happen from MS. I am NOT pulling local copies to distribute.
[18:46:42] <Bytram> so, in essence, you tell the workstations what updates to pull from MS?
[18:46:44] <cmn32480> this was originally done due to disk constraints, and has been working, so I decided not to mess wioth it
[18:46:51] <cmn32480> precisely
[18:47:02] <Bytram> so you're trading storage for bandwidth.
[18:47:11] <cmn32480> it measn that _I_ control it as the admin and am not beholden to the users to do it.
[18:47:24] <Bytram> nod ond
[18:47:44] <cmn32480> because let's face facts, they won't do it. EVER
[18:47:57] <Bytram> yeah. I sure understand that.
[18:48:08] <Bytram> so, yuo *tell* em what they *got* to download.
[18:48:32] <cmn32480> I tell the MACHINE what to down load. all the user gets to do is decided when the reboot happens.
[18:48:59] <cmn32480> and if they put it off more than 24hours, they get a 10 minute warnign that their workstation is being rebooted.
[18:49:29] <Bytram> got it. I'm trying to feed back to you what you said using different words to confirm my understanding. I get what you're doing, but struggling to find a way to phrase it back.
[18:49:34] <Bytram> LOL!
[18:49:40] <Bytram> carrot & stick!
[18:49:52] <cmn32480> no carrot. all stick
[18:50:28] <Bytram> well, the carrot is that if you play nice, we'll give you some leeway as to when your work is interrupted... o/w (otherwise) BOOM!
[18:50:47] <cmn32480> ok.. in that manner you are coorect
[18:51:31] <Bytram> they are just trying to get *their* work done and updating a system gets 'in their way' -- so you need to make the updates a higher priority for them. I get it.
[18:52:00] <cmn32480> right. generally, I tell them, if you reboot as you are walking out the door, you won't ahve to do it tomorrow.
[18:52:32] <Bytram> nice.
[18:54:00] <cmn32480> I am actually thinking of goign to manage engine (www.manageengine.com) as a paid tool to do a lot of the admin tasking that I need
[18:56:25] <Bytram> I can understand the attraction.
[18:56:49] <Bytram> My main concern would be trying to deal with any issues.
[18:57:43] <cmn32480> the free version solves more issues than it causes for me
[18:58:06] <cmn32480> it actually resolves a LOT of issues. including the Active Directory authentication for the remote clients
[18:58:25] <Bytram> oh, remote clients, too. Okay.
[18:58:42] <Bytram> now I remember, you've got a few different sites.
[18:59:03] <Bytram> would they end up with 'keys to the kingdom' ??
[18:59:18] <cmn32480> no. that is still controlled by Active Directory
[18:59:36] <Bytram> k
[18:59:47] <Bytram> so they'd only have as much 'power' as you permit them to have.
[18:59:57] <cmn32480> correct
[19:00:17] <Bytram> I was hoping some 'Rubber Duck debugging' might help you out there, but apparently not. Sorry buddy!
[19:00:18] <cmn32480> this won't subvert the user rights as assigned by the Windows Domain.
[19:00:29] <cmn32480> is ok
[19:00:47] <cmn32480> it is almost always helpful to talk (type?) through an issue to see it more clearly
[19:00:59] <Bytram> not concerned with that so much as with the outfit's ability to mess around on your boxes.
[19:01:30] <Bytram> if they've got privs to update windows, then I'd want to keep a *really* close eye on wha3t else they could do.
[19:02:05] <cmn32480> that si done in the background under a service login, as controlled by the domain.
[19:02:52] <Bytram> got it
[19:03:34] * Bytram has not worked on a domain server, but did test an ACL (Access Control List) implementation at UBM.
[19:03:46] <Bytram> s/UBM/IBM/
[19:03:48] <cmn32480> MS got that part right, I think
[19:04:18] <Bytram> was that also based on VMS?
[19:04:38] <Bytram> I know Windows NT had its foundation based on work done to implement DEC's VMS
[19:04:45] <cmn32480> oh I'm sure
[19:04:55] <cmn32480> VMS was a fabulous OS
[19:05:03] <cmn32480> until HP bought it
[19:05:07] <Bytram> yeah.
[19:05:23] <Bytram> command completion -- in the early 80's !!
[19:05:38] <Bytram> consistent commands and args
[19:05:40] <cmn32480> I actually worked on a VMS box for a while at a job in college
[19:05:45] <Bytram> DECNET
[19:05:50] <Bytram> nice!
[19:05:58] <cmn32480> I don't remember much of the command structure, but I recall it was easy
[19:06:04] * Bytram learned programmin on a PDP-8 and later a PDP-11
[19:06:35] * Bytram dreamed of using a VAX until I went on a Co-op assignment at DEC and then got to play with DEC-10, DEC-20, *and* VAX!
[19:06:42] * Bytram smiles at the memory
[19:06:58] <cmn32480> ours was a VAX
[19:07:20] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:07:33] * Bytram is running out of steam.
[19:07:38] <Bytram> thinking of taking a nap
[19:07:47] <Bytram> 0500 was a while ago, yanno?
[19:07:47] <cmn32480> again
[19:07:54] <cmn32480> yes. Iw as up shortly after
[19:07:57] <Bytram> would be 1st one today.
[19:08:02] <janrinok> another nap? You should sleep longer at nights!
[19:08:25] <janrinok> sleep well, pal. See you guys tomorrow I guess
[19:08:26] <Bytram> sounds like a good idea... I'll have to remember that. ;)
[19:08:34] <cmn32480> sweet dreams Bytram
[19:08:50] <Bytram> janrinok: and a good night to you, as well!
[19:08:54] <janrinok> give my best to J, cmn, and try to sleep all night Bytram
[19:08:54] <Bytram> best to S, too.
[19:09:03] <janrinok> thx - will do
[19:09:10] <cmn32480> sweet dreams to you and S as well janrinok
[19:09:11] <Bytram> I've got plans for the evening, so will have to do with just a nap.
[19:09:32] <Bytram> cmn32480: wish you the best in dealing with WSUS.
[19:09:48] <cmn32480> sledgehammer
[19:09:51] <cmn32480> :-)
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[19:10:05] <Bytram> maybe take a 10 minute break and a walk around the building or something? clear the mind for a bit and step back to take a 1000-ft view.
[19:10:24] <cmn32480> perhaps.
[19:10:47] <cmn32480> am thinking about pulling that free version of manage engine down adn playing with it instead of screwing with WSUS any more
[19:10:50] <Bytram> maybe there's some key phrase/error message that popped up that you can search on.
[19:11:04] <Bytram> well, if you do, best of luck!
[19:11:11] <cmn32480> adn gonna get coffee
[19:11:15] <Bytram> and, if you don', well, best ofluck!
[19:11:17] <Bytram> =)
[19:11:21] <Bytram> l8rs
[19:11:21] <cmn32480> thanks Bytram. Happy nappin'
[19:11:26] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
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