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[13:13:18] zz_janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[13:13:24] <janrinok> hi guys
[14:29:26] <janrinok> not a lot on here today
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[14:38:49] <janrinok> hi nick
[17:36:57] <Bytram> coffee++
[17:36:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 19
[17:37:03] <Bytram> http://authors.elsevier.com
[17:37:04] <Schwifty> ^ 03Shortened ScienceDirect URL Redirection
[17:37:04] <janrinok> hi Bytram !!
[17:37:10] <Bytram> janrinok: !! HI!
[17:37:17] <Bytram> how ARE you?
[17:37:20] <janrinok> how's things in your world?
[17:37:23] <janrinok> I'm good thx
[17:37:45] <Bytram> good. have the day off and am puttering around
[17:37:50] <Bytram> and how's S?
[17:38:18] <janrinok> not bad but she found out yesterday that she has to have surgery. That will be later this year.
[17:38:24] <Bytram> so good to have you back! We managed to survive your break, but it made it all the more apparent how much weight you pull around here!
[17:38:31] <Bytram> {{{ S }}}
[17:38:48] <Bytram> {{{ J }}}
[17:38:50] <janrinok> lol - you say the nicest things, and I'll pass your hugs to S personally :)
[17:39:06] * Bytram wonders how you are going to pass a hug to yourself
[17:39:08] <janrinok> you've been working hard recently
[17:39:10] <Bytram> ;)
[17:39:23] <Bytram> nodnod
[17:39:41] <Bytram> I don't mind long days, but I could stand to have some longer nights!
[17:39:56] <janrinok> point taken, but have you had many days off?
[17:40:28] <Bytram> I generally get two days off each week, but they are only rarely back-to-back.
[17:40:48] <Bytram> somehow got lucky and have today and tomorrow off.
[17:40:58] <Bytram> finding it hard to get off my butt and actually do anything.
[17:41:16] <Bytram> so, put in a little effort trying to isolate the editor control bug.
[17:41:37] <janrinok> you saw the email yesterday?
[17:41:41] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:41:51] <Bytram> and have replied to it, twice!
[17:42:06] <janrinok> good, wouldn't want you trying to solve the problem twice, your time is more valuable than that!
[17:42:13] <janrinok> not seen the replies
[17:42:29] <Bytram> and then I found out that audioguy was able to reproduce it with both CSS sand javascriopt disabled
[17:42:31] <janrinok> looking now
[17:43:08] * Bytram has got Kelly Clarkson's "My Life Would Suck Without You" stuck in his head.
[17:43:25] <janrinok> yep, they have come in, I just check my mail much earlier in the day
[17:44:03] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:44:25] <Bytram> hmmm, interesting story: http://phys.org
[17:44:26] <Schwifty> ^ 03Team publishes research on attractiveness and mating
[17:45:06] <janrinok> I didn't know until earlier today that we had a 'staff server' - all I have to do now is rediscover my kerebos pw
[17:45:13] <Bytram> that could make for a healthy discussion.
[17:45:19] <Bytram> yuppers.
[17:46:13] <Bytram> I made mine really long so as to protect the site's resources which I'be been given access to, such as it is.
[17:46:39] <janrinok> I remember that I had to have a pw about 12 months ago, but I have never used it since.
[17:47:18] <Bytram> for me, it's prolly cause I've had a few occasions to use it in trying to perform some tests...
[17:47:25] <Bytram> that, and just a pervasive curiosity streak!
[17:48:22] <janrinok> you need that in your role here
[17:48:43] <Bytram> yup. just not sure if it's a bulie or sesame roll
[17:48:50] <Bytram> s/bulie/bulkie/
[17:49:07] <janrinok> never heard of a bulkie
[17:49:35] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:49:41] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Bulkie roll
[17:50:09] <janrinok> looks like a Brit bap
[17:50:45] <Bytram> I'm not familiar with that.
[17:51:19] <Bytram> I'd have to say that the wiki description is spot on.
[17:51:42] <Bytram> speaking of which, it's well past time I get something to eat. back in a few minutes
[17:51:48] <janrinok> we will have to try to produce a dictionary for UK-US
[17:54:48] <janrinok> make something nice - I'm peckish too please
[18:01:35] <Bytram> lol
[18:02:22] * Bytram notes that was a good case in point... here abouts that might be construed that you were in need of, umm, 'companionship'
[18:02:42] <Bytram> simple and easy fare: chicken 'n rice
[18:03:14] <janrinok> sounds good - with a spicy sauce?
[18:03:39] <Bytram> a little ground garlic and pepper
[18:04:00] <Bytram> should be ready in about 5 minutes or so.
[18:04:16] <janrinok> I'll provide a nice dipping sauce and some beers
[18:04:35] <Bytram> what we need is a variant on FTP: Food Transport Protocol
[18:04:59] <janrinok> I'll try to write one in python, might not be ready this evening though
[18:05:39] <janrinok> I'm looking for a python library module for quantum entanglement...
[18:06:04] <Bytram> kinda hard to dip, 12 oz dry rice, 10 oz can of chicken breast in water, put rice in bowl, sprinkle with spices, add chicken and water, nuke for 2 1/2 minutes, wait 5 minutees, stir, eat.
[18:06:15] <Bytram> I'll bet you do and don't find it!
[18:06:33] <janrinok> but, if I do, you will have one too
[18:06:47] <janrinok> ... or someone will
[18:06:54] <Bytram> thanks!
[18:06:58] <Bytram> lol
[18:07:21] <Bytram> good to see you are still have your same inimitable sense of humor!
[18:07:25] <Bytram> s/are//
[18:07:45] <janrinok> its the only way to get through the day :)
[18:07:58] <Bytram> ROFL! catch the dept on the latest story!
[18:08:07] * janrinok adds humor-humour to dictionary
[18:08:28] <janrinok> yep LamX is doing well today
[18:08:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:14:48] <janrinok> that's topped the story queue up for another 12 hours+
[18:16:19] <Bytram> nice! And there's still 22 subs in the queue? VERY nice!
[18:16:25] * Bytram goes to fetch his lunch
[18:16:40] <janrinok> I hope they will last until w/e without getting stale
[18:18:07] * Bytram suggests putting them in a bread box ;)
[18:19:02] <janrinok> lol
[18:19:29] <Bytram> dupe? https://soylentnews.org
[18:19:35] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN Submission by gewg_: Ruling in "Dancing Baby" Case; Winner: Fair Use
[18:19:55] <Bytram> yup. https://soylentnews.org
[18:19:56] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: Fair-Use Proponents Score Early Win in DMCA Copyright Case 04(10 comments)
[18:20:17] <janrinok> it is the outcome of the story that we published a day or two ago. I'm not sure of the details
[18:20:26] <janrinok> at least, I think it is ...
[18:21:02] * Bytram goes to look
[18:21:31] <janrinok> no, you are correct, it's the same story
[18:21:43] <Bytram> kthnx
[18:22:05] <Bytram> delete it?
[18:22:15] <janrinok> yep, delete
[18:22:27] <Bytram> done
[18:23:49] <Bytram> I see there are two stories about NYC offering comp sci
[18:24:07] <janrinok> the subs have certainly picked up over the last week or two - I wonder if that correlates with people returning to uni/college etc?
[18:24:36] <janrinok> a merge is in order there for whoever does it
[18:24:48] <Bytram> prolly; end of summer vacations, too.
[18:25:16] <Bytram> also not somuch gets published during the summer; so we are getting out of the 'silly summer season', too
[18:25:37] <janrinok> there were some very low points over the last few months - I'm glad that I put the effort into Arthur
[18:25:55] <Bytram> arthur++
[18:25:55] <Bender> karma - arthur: 1
[18:26:02] <Bytram> janrinok++
[18:26:02] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 34
[18:26:04] <Bytram> janrinok++
[18:26:04] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 35
[18:26:24] <janrinok> I'm surprised I got that much!
[18:27:47] <Bytram> I am not!
[18:28:49] <janrinok> S thanks you for your hug, and sends you her hug back with a big smile.
[18:29:04] <Bytram> awwwww! shucks!
[18:38:39] <janrinok> are your fingers all sticky from rice and chicken now?
[18:42:05] <Bytram> nope... found a spoon
[18:44:06] <janrinok> was it boneless chicken, or are you just good at balancing things on spoons?
[18:44:39] <Bytram> boneless!
[18:44:55] <janrinok> ah, flat chicken, or, as we call it, road kill
[18:45:16] <Bytram> yes, but canned road kill!!
[18:45:27] <janrinok> much healthier then ...
[18:45:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:45:58] <Bytram> I think I have an idea on the submission editor focus bug... give me a few minutes
[18:46:20] <janrinok> k
[18:47:21] <Bytram> I just did a File... save page as... web document, complete and was able to reproduce with *that*
[18:47:24] <Bytram> =)
[18:49:05] <janrinok> OK, and TMB found a unaccountable difference in the output of a 'good' browser and a 'buggy' one, but didn't know what significance, if any, the difference made
[18:49:41] <janrinok> I assume you are still using PM?
[18:50:38] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:50:46] <Bytram> and I think I found out what it was...
[18:50:52] <Bytram> give me a few more minutes...
[18:52:57] <Bytram> SUCCESS!
[18:53:31] <janrinok> well done, grasshopper
[18:54:00] <janrinok> I'll expect a fully documented and test patch on my desk first thing in the morning ...
[18:54:24] <janrinok> tested*
[19:08:10] <janrinok> well, you've gone quiet
[19:13:45] <Bytram> sorry, got a phone call and got disconnected. :/
[19:13:50] <janrinok> lol
[19:14:11] <janrinok> .. and the news is ... ?
[19:14:18] <Bytram> check your e-mail; I documented what I found, steps to reproduce, changes made, and that it now worked for me.
[19:14:50] <Bytram> in short, there was an HTML coding error:
[19:14:53] <Bytram> <label>Editors' Notes<label>
[19:14:56] <Bytram> should have been:
[19:14:57] <Bytram> <label>Editors' Notes</label>
[19:15:22] <Bytram> then remove the two (now unnecessary) </label>'s from:
[19:15:25] <janrinok> seems simple enough, but I can't see why it caused the problem that we saw
[19:15:30] <Bytram> </label></label></fieldset>
[19:15:35] <Bytram> and all seemed happy again.
[19:16:00] <Bytram> a label can contain any other in-line element EXCEPT another label.
[19:16:10] <Bytram> http://www.htmlhelp.com
[19:16:15] <Schwifty> ^ 03LABEL - Form Field Label
[19:16:38] <janrinok> well done, as I said earlier.
[19:16:52] <Bytram> that would mess up the DOM, I would think, and that in turn would affect how the browsers locate and use the various controls.
[19:17:04] <Bytram> thanks!
[19:17:25] <janrinok> that sounds reasonable. And also explains why different browsers acted differently
[19:18:10] <Bytram> yep, it was audioguy's ability to reproduce with and without css and javascript that clued me in.
[19:18:59] <Bytram> just another confirmation of my hard won experience:
[19:19:11] <Bytram> "When it can't be what it has to be, then it has to be what it can't be!"
[19:19:47] <janrinok> I'm sure you stole that from somewhere, but it fits, so keep it as your own ;)
[19:20:02] <Bytram> Heisenbugs are the most frustrating to isolate, but the most rewarding when solved.
[19:20:20] <Bytram> actually, that is of my own creation... I don't recall seeing that anywhere else.
[19:20:54] <Bytram> I just did a search on DDG and it could not find it.
[19:21:00] <Bytram> =)
[19:21:47] <janrinok> I've heard something similar before... but no matter, it's bytram's now
[19:22:09] <Bytram> yeah, I've used it here before.... maybe that was it?
[19:22:18] <Bytram> google did not find that phrase, either.
[19:22:36] <janrinok> possibly - but you won't find that exact wording.
[19:23:01] <Bytram> hmmm
[19:23:07] <janrinok> it will come to me over the next day or two - my brain doesn't work at the same speed that it once did
[19:24:02] <janrinok> so is it our backend that is producing incorrect html?
[19:24:11] <Bytram> mine either, and that's kind of a blessing -- very exhausting!
[19:24:47] <Bytram> it basically seems to be in the new label that was added for the Editor's Notes field.
[19:25:12] <Bytram> what was added was:
[19:25:15] <Bytram> <label>Editors' Notes<label>
[19:25:18] <Bytram> and it should have been:L
[19:25:22] <Bytram> <label>Editors' Notes</label>
[19:25:25] <janrinok> but why as it only shown up now - we've had editor's notes for a few months now
[19:25:41] <Bytram> As TMB added this new feature, and it worked find on his box, he would have no reason to suspect anything was amiss.
[19:26:16] <Bytram> I noticed it a long time ago, but I really didn't need to use those other contrls and didn't worry much about it.
[19:26:36] <Bytram> that was also about the time when I was moving over to a new lappy
[19:26:39] <janrinok> well, the bug only started on my machines a few weeks back. It was OK when I went on holiday, but not when I got back. I suppose there might have been software updates to each of my browsers over that time
[19:26:55] <Bytram> could be.
[19:27:15] <janrinok> well, we will see if anyone else can reproduce it
[19:27:57] <janrinok> time for me to go for today. Pleasure talking to you as always, take it easy on your days off, and I'll possibly see you on here tomorrow?
[19:28:25] <Bytram> there was another addition to the code to support a reason for why stories were deleted, and when I went to test that, I noticed the original problem, and that others were havingt the same issue as I was. that's when I decided to look closer.
[19:28:41] <janrinok> that will be the more likely occurrence
[19:29:17] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks for the kind words. as much as I like this place, I find I can spend way too much time in IRC. Might be in, might be able to stay away. But, I doubt it!
[19:29:38] <janrinok> lol - take care mate. be safe and happy
[19:29:44] <Bytram> thanks for pushing out all those stories and I hopeyou have a great night!
[19:29:53] <Bytram> toodles!
[19:30:04] <janrinok> bye
[19:30:14] <Bytram> seems like a good time for me to take a nap.
[19:30:18] <Bytram> afk
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[19:58:43] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[19:58:44] <Schwifty> ^ 03US librarians defy cops, Feds – and switch on their Tor exit node • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
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[20:09:27] <Bytram> I just pushed out a breaking story: the New Hampshire Library decided to reactivate its Tor node
[20:24:51] <takyon> a whole 5 submissions for the clock story
[20:24:58] <takyon> time to comment on it
[20:26:04] <Bytram> takyon: that one should generate quite the discussion!
[20:26:40] <Bytram> and I need to get some sleep
[20:26:44] <Bytram> afk