#editorial | Logs for 2015-09-11

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[01:23:28] <takyon> check
[03:10:56] cmn32480|eatin is now known as cmn32480
[03:26:15] <cmn32480> Bytram !!
[03:27:40] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!
[03:27:54] <cmn32480> how goes it my friend?
[03:28:42] <Bytram> new month, new neighbors. One decided to start yet another load of laundry on the other side of my wall.
[03:28:55] <cmn32480> ugh
[03:29:01] <cmn32480> nice folks
[03:29:11] <Bytram> that'll run for at least another 15 minutes from now, and then there'll be an hour of clank, clank, clank in the dryer.
[03:29:21] <cmn32480> I just got back to the hotel from meeting a buddy that I haven't seen in 18 months
[03:29:43] <Bytram> I put a nice note on the washer suggesting they may not have seen the sign with the posted hours.
[03:29:45] <cmn32480> for a couple beers
[03:29:57] <Bytram> I'll see if there's an apology tomorrow AM.
[03:29:58] <cmn32480> you dind't put your name on it did you?
[03:30:40] <Bytram> if there's a msg more along the lines of F off, I'll add a caution that failing to abide by the posted hours may result in machines becoming unplugged.
[03:30:44] <Bytram> that seems to work.
[03:30:53] <Bytram> no namer. just 'a neighbor'
[03:31:56] <Deucalion> I apologise for not popping head in here..... must sleep.
[03:32:21] <cmn32480> sweet dreams, my friend
[03:34:21] <Bytram> Deucalion: sleep well, sweet dreams.
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[13:06:47] <janrinok> hi fellow editors and others...
[13:25:33] <CoolHand> janrinok: !!
[13:26:55] <janrinok> CoolHand: !!
[13:40:14] <janrinok> CoolHand: things good with you?
[13:43:55] <CoolHand> yep
[13:44:06] <CoolHand> been SNOWED UNDER at work the last couple days
[13:44:10] <CoolHand> so haven't been on much
[13:44:15] <CoolHand> just thought I'd pop in and say hi
[13:45:01] <janrinok> hope things are getting better?
[13:45:03] <CoolHand> I'm still here... checking story queue occasionally, but it's been n good shape every time I checked, so I've carried on..
[13:45:14] <janrinok> np - you do what you have to
[13:45:36] <CoolHand> yeah, still real busy.. thankfully not with emergencies though.. just general workload
[13:45:48] * CoolHand knocks on wood
[13:46:06] * janrinok touches head - has the same effect
[13:46:16] <CoolHand> hah
[13:46:17] <CoolHand> :)
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[14:53:22] -!- mode/#editorial [+v n1] by SkyNet
[17:52:40] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[17:52:47] <Schwifty> ^ 03Microsoft Patches Windows Vulnerability Exploited in the Wild | SecurityWeek.Com ( http://www.securityweek.com )
[17:52:57] <Bytram> thanks for the de-tracking!
[17:53:46] <n1> vulnerabilities not exploited in the wild, different story...
[17:54:16] * Bytram prefers to face tame exploits!
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[20:02:14] <Bytram> Phoenix666: hi!
[20:02:28] <Phoenix666> hi Bytram!
[20:02:34] <Bytram> how's things?
[20:02:44] <Phoenix666> good, how about you?
[20:02:58] <Bytram> just want to say thanks a BUNCH for all the submissions you've been sending our way! MUCH appreciated!
[20:03:14] <Phoenix666> sure thing! want to do my bit
[20:03:23] <Phoenix666> the boards look slow today
[20:03:26] <Bytram> nodnod
[20:03:30] <Phoenix666> is there a technical issue?
[20:03:52] <Bytram> nah; it's a friday after a holiday weekend (in the USA)...
[20:04:07] <Bytram> I suspect people are trying to get a week's worth of work done in 4 days. :/
[20:04:11] <Phoenix666> :)
[20:04:21] <Phoenix666> there had been some heated discussions the past week
[20:04:25] <Bytram> got a favor to ask, if I may?
[20:04:30] <Phoenix666> sure
[20:04:46] <Bytram> when submitting a story, please double-check that you've included the URL from which you got it?
[20:05:06] <Phoenix666> yeah, sorry about that. i try. sometimes i fail (pre-coffee)
[20:05:10] <Bytram> A couple of times I'v had to do a search and hoped I found the right one... a little disconcerting.
[20:05:15] <Bytram> LOL!
[20:05:18] <Bytram> understood!
[20:05:30] <Phoenix666> listen, drop me an email at dakong27@yahoo.com if i lapse
[20:05:37] <Bytram> no biggee... point made and taken.
[20:05:37] <Bytram> k
[20:05:39] <Phoenix666> i'm happy to send the URL
[20:05:54] <Bytram> is that the one you signed up with your nick?
[20:06:02] <Phoenix666> sometimes i realize my mistake a second too late, but can't change it
[20:06:07] <Phoenix666> yes, that's it
[20:06:22] <Bytram> Good. I can get it from there, then, when I need it.
[20:06:33] <Bytram> should you realized it after-the-fact, just submit another story and include the link in it! =)
[20:06:42] <Phoenix666> OK, will do
[20:06:52] <Phoenix666> do you guys have other good sources i can trawl?
[20:07:01] <Phoenix666> i'm getting a little sick of my usuals
[20:07:11] <Bytram> doesn't have to be the whole shooting match of the prior sub; just "Oops, forgot URL for last sub; link is: http://....."
[20:07:18] <Phoenix666> k
[20:07:24] <Bytram> do you know about our rss channel?
[20:07:35] <Bytram> try this: /join #rss-bot
[20:08:16] <Bytram> you can access a log of it through here: http://logs.sylnt.us
[20:08:22] <Phoenix666> k
[20:08:35] <Bytram> click on "#rss-bot" and you can see logs of entries going WAY back!
[20:08:41] <Bytram> scroll to the bottom for the latest
[20:08:56] <Bytram> =)
[20:09:11] <Phoenix666> cool, that helps. thx
[20:09:23] <Bytram> np!
[20:09:46] <Bytram> hmmm, I don't see anything recent in that feed. curios!
[20:09:51] <Bytram> *curious
[20:09:53] <Phoenix666> i'm still seeing the >5min speed bump between submissions. nobody else seeing that?
[20:10:21] <Phoenix666> i've seen it from multiple locations, so it's not my specific connection
[20:10:21] <Bytram> I don't submit often or fast enough to encounter it.
[20:10:25] <Phoenix666> :)
[20:10:30] <Phoenix666> i'm a freak
[20:10:55] <Bytram> I suspect it's an artifact from the base slash code to block out spammers/malcontents/griefers
[20:11:20] <Phoenix666> yeah, it's supposed to be 20 secs but it's a lot more than that for me
[20:11:32] <Bytram> when you've got a few million nerds, not all of whom are mature, beating on your site... well, some measures may need to have been taken. yanno?
[20:11:41] <Phoenix666> true
[20:11:47] <Bytram> 20 secs? really?
[20:11:51] <Bytram> hrrrrmmmm
[20:12:03] * Bytram goes to look at some stuff... give me a couple minutes
[20:12:04] <Phoenix666> that's what janrinok told me before
[20:14:55] <Bytram> of course, now that I look, it appears that 'Bender' has not updated the #rss-bot feed since about 20150909_085644 EDT
[20:15:07] <Bytram> or, that may be UTC? not sure.
[20:17:21] <Bytram> okay, there's a 'Site VAR' called max_submissions_allowed whose description is "maximum number of submissions per timeframe allowed" and the value is currently: "20"
[20:17:36] <Bytram> don't know what the 'timeframe' is, though.
[20:17:54] <Bytram> I have another place I can look... hold on a but
[20:17:57] <Bytram> *bit
[20:18:02] <Phoenix666> There must be some other value for that set, though, because i get booted at around 12
[20:18:27] <Bytram> btw, do you happen to use pale moon as your default browser?
[20:18:34] <Phoenix666> no, FF
[20:18:50] * Bytram borked his FTYPE and ASSOC values under win7 when he installed opera for a test
[20:19:02] <Bytram> are you on windows?
[20:19:19] <Phoenix666> no, ubuntu 14.04
[20:19:37] <Bytram> k; that's not gonna help. worth a shot!
[20:19:42] <Phoenix666> y
[20:20:02] <Phoenix666> i've tried it from OSX, different versions of ubuntu, and the speed bump is about 5mins
[20:20:20] <Bytram> interesting.
[20:20:25] <Phoenix666> and article submission within 'timeframe' is 12
[20:20:46] <Phoenix666> makes me think a different timestamp is happening somewhere
[20:21:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:21:42] <Bytram> I've got an old dump of many tables from a dev copy of the DB... am trying to locate it on this new system I'm on so I can grep for likely candidates
[20:21:46] <Bytram> give me a few minutes
[20:22:52] * Bytram thinks he found the right directory.
[20:23:19] <Phoenix666> np. BTW, there's another bug on the main page right now I'm seeing--it's saying '0 comments' for everything but discussion is happening
[20:24:47] <Bytram> raw roh george.
[20:25:13] * Bytram reloads main page with Ctrl+F5
[20:25:53] * Bytram looks at story queue
[20:26:08] <Bytram> looks like you are right... I don't see the comment counts changing
[20:34:20] <Bytram> ok, I passed on the word about non-update of comment counts
[20:34:36] * Bytram goes back to looking for submission speed limits
[20:35:54] <Phoenix666> cool--the current news stream is a little dry but if you need me to submit timestamps of my submissions the next time i do a bunch, let me know
[20:37:00] <Bytram> not needed, we can see that from the submission... oh, wait. =)
[20:37:12] <Bytram> hold that thought and let me finish scanning my DB dumps
[20:40:05] <Bytram> I'm guessing here, but it looks like the default timeframe (in seconds) is 14400
[20:40:28] <Bytram> that works out to 240 minutes
[20:40:53] <Bytram> max of 20 per timeframe would then be... every 12 minutes?
[20:41:06] <Bytram> that doesn't look right.
[20:46:00] <Bytram> Phoenix666: looks like the majority of your subs are at best 6 minutes apart, but I did find one set that had a 5-minute break (have no finer granularity, sorry)...
[20:46:12] <Bytram> 1.) https://soylentnews.org
[20:46:14] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: Does Everyone Have a Look-Alike? 04(33 comments)
[20:46:19] <Bytram> 2.) https://soylentnews.org
[20:46:20] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: The Data Protection Credibility Crisis 04(26 comments)
[20:46:49] <Phoenix666> ok
[20:47:05] <Bytram> and I found another set with a five minute break:
[20:47:12] <Bytram> 1.) https://soylentnews.org
[20:47:14] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: West's Only Rare Earth Mine Closes. Yet Chinese Monopoly Fears Are Baseless 04(32 comments)
[20:47:16] <Phoenix666> that sounds about right. i most often try at the 5 minute mark for another submission, it fails, and I hit re-send until it takes
[20:47:20] <Bytram> 2.) https://soylentnews.org
[20:47:21] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: Carbonated Drinks Linked With Out-of-hospital Cardiac Arrest of Cardiac Origin 04(46 comments)
[20:47:27] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:48:10] <Bytram> Going back to Dec 2, 2014 I see these stats for ya:
[20:48:13] <Bytram> Total: 536 Accepted: 92%
[20:48:19] <Bytram> YOWZA!?!!!
[20:49:20] <Phoenix666> that sounds about right. there's kind of an upper limit of 20 per day, though, since there doesn't seem to be that much new coming through media sources
[20:49:41] <Phoenix666> that's at the most, though
[20:50:09] <Bytram> well, the site WAS around before 02-DEC-2014
[20:50:27] <Bytram> so your total is prolly even larger than THAT!
[20:50:43] <takyon> check
[20:50:43] <Phoenix666> i doubt that--we had a big surge at the outset
[20:50:52] <takyon> hi Phoenix
[20:50:58] <Phoenix666> hi takyon, sup?
[20:51:16] <takyon> not much
[20:51:24] <Bytram> I was there, yes. OTOH, there's quite a while between 2014-02-17ish and 2014-12-02, right?
[20:51:25] <takyon> about to check out the latest stories- rss feed is not working
[20:51:29] <Bytram> Tachyon: hola!!
[20:51:34] <Bytram> ach!
[20:51:37] <takyon> wrong gu
[20:51:38] <Bytram> takyon: Hiya!
[20:51:48] <takyon> ello mytrab
[20:52:10] <Bytram> ta<tab> is not unique... you're gonna miss out once in a while being further down the alphabet
[20:52:33] <Bytram> day off, and trying very unsuccessfully to catch up on some things.
[20:52:37] <Bytram> =)
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[21:13:30] <Bytram> sry, took a phone call and got bumped off.
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[21:13:54] <Bytram> Phoenix666: i found another site var, but that doesn't seem to make any sense, either... submissions_speed_limit | 300
[21:14:18] <Bytram> wish I could be more help, but that's the best I can come up with atm
[21:14:44] <Bytram> afk biab
[21:14:58] <Phoenix666> np. the real answer is for me to get off my ass and go through the clone of the site i downloaded a few months back myself
[21:15:43] <Phoenix666> later!
[21:19:06] <Bytram> ciao for now!
[21:19:56] <Bytram> I did find another site var that pertains to a speed limit for subscribers (if I am readin it correctly) but in that case, there should be no limit at all... which is obviously not hte case.
[21:20:44] <Bytram> afk biab
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[21:47:10] <Bytram> takyon: thanks for 2nding!
[21:47:22] <takyon> i don't remember doing that O_O
[21:47:23] <Bytram> could use some help on the latest: https://soylentnews.org
[21:47:24] <Schwifty> ^ 03Error
[21:47:35] <Bytram> Beware Vodafone's Draconian AUP
[21:47:54] <Bytram> trying to get the right mix of emphasis without getting overbearing...
[21:48:08] <Bytram> "... gotten a lot more specific about what you can't do and what they can do?"
[21:48:33] <Bytram> how to properly emphasize/distinguish between "you"/"they" and 'can"/"can't"
[21:49:03] <Bytram> it came to us as you currently see it.
[21:51:10] <Bytram> takyon: I'm thinking maybe: "what you can't do and what they can do?"
[21:51:13] <Bytram> thoughts?
[21:51:25] <Bytram> afk brb
[21:52:07] <takyon> I just put in antivenom story
[21:53:11] <takyon> I put quotes around "we" in (where we is Vodafone)
[21:55:22] <takyon> I changed the emphasis to
[21:55:55] <takyon> "what you can't do and what they can do?"
[21:56:47] <Bytram> i'm 2nding your right now and then I'll take a look
[21:57:39] <takyon> careful
[21:57:45] <takyon> i updated the wording 10 secs ago
[21:57:56] <Bytram> in which story?
[21:57:59] <takyon> venom
[21:58:01] <takyon> reload it
[21:58:06] <Bytram> k. will do
[21:58:21] <takyon> fixed that weird blockquote thing too. not sure how that happened
[21:58:32] <Bytram> yeah. I noticed that!
[21:58:50] <Bytram> are those consecutive quotes for the original source?
[21:58:55] <Bytram> s/for/from/
[21:59:06] * Bytram opens the link
[22:00:10] <takyon> uuuuuhhh
[22:00:23] <takyon> no I think I skipped a part but forgot to put the [...]
[22:00:27] * Bytram added a link for the text "In a statement issued on Monday"
[22:00:50] <Bytram> np
[22:02:26] <Bytram> found it
[22:02:52] <Bytram> and another one
[22:03:24] * Bytram clicks update
[22:03:29] <Bytram> okay, take a look if you'd like
[22:03:40] * Bytram goes to look at vodaphone sotry
[22:03:42] <Bytram> *story
[22:05:56] <Bytram> looks better with your emphasis!
[22:06:36] <Bytram> I'm not liking the word 'specific' for some reason... " terms and conditions gotten a lot more specific about..."
[22:06:46] <Bytram> maybe "one-sided" insread?
[22:06:51] <Bytram> *instead
[22:07:27] <Bytram> I like that much better. changed.
[22:08:51] * Bytram clicks update.
[22:09:07] <Bytram> I pushed it out a little bit later, too.
[22:09:34] <Bytram> as it's the weekend, atm I'm aiming for about 1h50m between stories, may need to stretch it further from now on
[22:09:38] <Bytram> may 2h10m
[22:09:47] <Bytram> *maybe 2h10m
[22:10:26] <takyon> yeah i like to be closer to 1h30m
[22:10:31] <Bytram> just pushed it out a little bit further
[22:10:36] <takyon> but this new pace has been comfortable and nobody seems to complain
[22:10:41] <takyon> I just added another story in
[22:10:48] <Bytram> yes, and during the weekday we can generally do that pretty well...
[22:11:14] <Bytram> on the weekend, though it's a challenge to have enough material to make it until early monday afternoon when the next set of submissions start to come in
[22:11:35] <Bytram> I see your story; ready for a 2nd on it?
[22:12:00] <Bytram> ready or not, here I come!
[22:14:49] <Bytram> I could have sworn we had run a story a while back about libraries signing up to be Tor exit nodes?
[22:15:01] <takyon> don't remember
[22:15:10] <takyon> I would think it would be an initiative spanning years
[22:15:38] <Bytram> agreed, but ISTR there was something about getting it started.
[22:16:08] <Bytram> btw, do you happen to know what *our* Tor link is?
[22:16:12] <Bytram> would be a good time to mention it.
[22:16:23] <takyon> ask Ncommander
[22:16:38] * Bytram will do some more searching first
[22:20:24] <Bytram> found it! http://7rmath4ro2of2a42.onion
[22:22:22] <Bytram> for future reference, I found the SoylentNews Tor link in this story: https://soylentnews.org that, in turn, pointed me to our link: http://7rmath4ro2of2a42.onion
[22:22:23] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: SN Tor Site Back Up 04(14 comments)
[22:22:38] <Bytram> ^^ preceding is for making it easier to find in the logs
[22:22:54] <Bytram> by rights, we really should have a link to it in one of the slashboxes.
[22:23:17] <Bytram> added to the story.
[22:23:20] * Bytram clicks update
[22:24:54] * Bytram needs food; back in a few
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