#editorial | Logs for 2015-08-28
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[01:31:10] <Bytram> hola!
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[01:53:47] <cmn32480|sleepin> hiyo Silver!
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[02:00:19] <Bytram> cmn32480: well, YOU have been busy! I see 7 more stories in the queue!
[02:00:30] <cmn32480> trying to catch coolhand
[02:00:39] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[02:00:40] <^> ^✓ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[02:00:56] <Bytram> as the weekend approaches, it would be good to keep in mind that the more stories we can push into the queue, now, the better the chances that someone will see a nearly-empty queue and submit something
[02:01:08] <cmn32480> I know. and I agree
[02:01:21] <cmn32480> but we have Arthur in our back pocket too
[02:02:10] * cmn32480 wonders how often the hof page auto updates....
[02:02:27] <Bytram> true that, but it's a bit more work to chop up arthur's stuff than taking a p666 story or the like... I'd like to encourage that as muchas possible..
[02:02:41] <cmn32480> we can move some stuff to the hold queue... clear out all of the old arthur stuff
[02:02:43] <cmn32480> agreed
[02:02:50] <Bytram> besides it's the *community* we are building, too. it's good if they invest in their own future, too.
[02:03:38] <cmn32480> what do you think of the "The Space Show Campaign" sub?
[02:03:52] * Bytram hasn't looked at it
[02:03:59] <Deucalion> cmn32480, have you gamified your editing motivation? Gotta get that #1 HOF spot :D
[02:04:01] <cmn32480> oldest one in the queue
[02:04:08] <cmn32480> nope...
[02:04:16] <Bytram> I'm looking at some of the story view counts... 198638 for https://soylentnews.org
[02:04:21] <cmn32480> just noticed the other day that I was pretty close to coolhand
[02:04:23] <^> ^ 03SN article: Silent Circle Blackphone - Out in June for $630 US 04(60 comments)
[02:04:25] <Bytram> really???!!!?? WOW!
[02:04:43] <cmn32480> and last week I was dumping a dozen+ per day for about 5 days
[02:05:05] <Deucalion> Bytram, do you get the daily site stats emails?
[02:05:07] <Bytram> btw, you can also get the author story counts from the 'Authors' link in the 'Navigation' slashbox on the main page.
[02:05:32] <Bytram> Deucalion: I signed up for 'em but haven't seen them in the longest time. there was a bug...
[02:05:53] <Bytram> that when someting (I forget what0 went sideways, it sent an email every 10 or so minutes
[02:06:10] <Bytram> I turned it off, when I heard that bug was fixed I turned it back on.
[02:06:23] <Bytram> still haven't seen the stats since I turned it back on.
[02:06:50] <Bytram> cmn32480: that link takes you here: https://soylentnews.org
[02:06:50] <^> ^✓ 03SoylentNews: Authors
[02:06:53] <Deucalion> I still get the daily hit stats mail
[02:07:03] <Bytram> hrmmm,
[02:07:10] * Bytram goes to check his settings again
[02:07:30] * Bytram clicks info
[02:07:33] * Bytram clicks messages
[02:07:53] <Bytram> Daily Moderation Stats; "E-mail"
[02:08:01] <Bytram> yep, I still have it set on.
[02:08:07] <cmn32480> yeah.. I can catch coolhand... but I'd have to deactivate Bytram to have any hope....
[02:08:11] <Bytram> and, I also have:
[02:08:23] <Bytram> Daily Site Stats: "E-mail"
[02:08:41] <Bytram> Deucalion: do you have some different setting than I do?
[02:08:52] * Bytram wants his daily stats, too!
[02:09:13] * cmn32480 thinks Bytram is jealous of Deucalion's stats
[02:09:44] <Bytram> moi?
[02:10:00] <cmn32480> si. tu!
[02:11:06] <Bytram> Deucalion: so what do you have set so that you get the stats?
[02:13:00] <Deucalion> Bytram, Achievement: Web, Bad login: Web, Comment Moderation: Web, Comment Reply: Web, Daily Headlines: No Messages, Daily Mod Stats: No Messages, Daily Newsletter: E-mail, Daily Site Stats: E-Mail, Email Story: No Messages, Invalid HTML Input: No Messages, Journal Entry by Friend: Web, Journal Reply: Web, Metamoderation Results: No Messages, New Submission: No Messages, Relationship Change: Web, Remarks: No Messages, Subscription Expired: No
[02:13:00] <Deucalion> Messages, Subscription Running Low: Email
[02:13:10] <Deucalion> Phew.... that was a typothon
[02:13:23] <cmn32480> great googly moogly
[02:13:58] <Deucalion> probably do something with that by splitting on colon and comma ;)
[02:14:01] <Bytram> Deucalion: yikes! /me wishes there was a way to export/import that!
[02:15:20] <Bytram> I'm on it
[02:15:56] <Deucalion> commas separate each setting, colon separates setting name from value. No doubt I typo'd in there somewhere thought just to through you off :D
[02:16:14] <Bytram> nah, you done it perfect!
[02:16:23] <Deucalion> s/thought/though/ - damn ato-correcting fingers!
[02:16:31] <Deucalion> auto*
[02:16:32] <Bytram> cat foo.txt | sed "s#,#,\n#g;" | sed "s#:#:\t#" | %m%\expand -30
[02:16:45] * Deucalion implodes
[02:17:06] <cmn32480> OW
[02:17:12] <cmn32480> stop that you two!
[02:17:15] <Bytram> the %m% is accessing an env var that points to a dir in which I have some unix commands; need the envb var so it doesn't grab windows' expand.exe
[02:17:49] <Deucalion> ^ what he said - obvious really when you think about it
[02:18:05] <Deucalion> .... anyone fancy a beer?
[02:18:17] <cmn32480> i woudl love one....
[02:18:27] <cmn32480> thoughut I might need somethign stronger
[02:19:58] * cmn32480 goes merrily on stuffing the story queue
[02:24:28] * Deucalion imagines cmn32480 as santa for some reason - you don't have reindeer do you?
[02:24:45] <cmn32480> no..... but my beard is growing in very nicely! :-)
[02:27:34] <cmn32480> bytram - you good to handle the queue from here?
[02:27:41] <cmn32480> we are out to 2am
[02:27:56] <Bytram> just aminute
[02:28:01] <cmn32480> okie
[02:29:09] <Bytram> Deucalion: okay, I did a view source, wrote a quick pipeline, and here's what I got:
[02:29:22] <Bytram> pipeline (grin): cat bar_new.html | grep -v "^$" | gawk "/<optio/{s=$0;getline t1; getline t2; print s, t1, t2; next} {print}" | grep select | sed "s#<[^>]*>##g" | gawk "substr($0,4,1) ~ /[[:alpha:]]/{cat=$0;next} {print cat, $0}" | sed "s#^[[:space:]]*##; s#[[:space:]][[:space:]][[:space:]]*#: #" | head -12 | sed "s#[[:space:]]*$##" | gawk -v c=", " "{out=out c $0} END {print out} > bar2.html
[02:29:27] <Bytram> and here's what I've got set:
[02:29:39] <Bytram> Achievement: Web, Bad login attempt warnings: Web, Comment Moderation: Web, Comment Reply: Web, Daily Moderation Stats: E-mail, Daily Site Stats: E-mail, Invalid HTML Input: Web, Journal Reply: Web, Metamoderation Results: Web, Relationship Change: Web, Subscription Expired: E-mail, Subscription Running Low: E-mail
[02:29:49] <Bytram> all other options were not set.
[02:30:00] * Bytram goes to check the story queue
[02:32:13] <Deucalion> regex is why I will never a sysadmin be...
[02:32:27] <Bytram> cmn32480: the NASA story is a good read and a good remember when for something that the anniversary is fast upon us.
[02:32:42] <cmn32480> I am writing it as we speak
[02:32:53] <cmn32480> and I was thinking of running it in prime time.
[02:32:59] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:33:24] <cmn32480> but holy hanna... it is a HUGE article from Ars
[02:33:37] <Bytram> yes, I know.... I read it.
[02:34:28] <Bytram> and then read the linked story about how NASA *might* have been able to save the space shuttle if they knew about it soon enough and if everytinhg went right... that's a four-part story.
[02:34:37] <Bytram> then I forgot what got me started on it in the first place!
[02:34:50] <cmn32480> hehe
[02:35:02] <cmn32480> other than getting forgetful, things good?
[02:35:31] <Deucalion> I have noticed some of our recent stories have been getting a little verbatim rather than summary and linkie, it seems a little unfair to the sites we are aggregating to take a near on full copy / pasta of their story rather than summarising and linking out.... just my 2p worth...
[02:36:23] <Bytram> Deucalion: I agree.
[02:36:58] <cmn32480> there is a balance that has to be struck...
[02:37:14] <Bytram> 'tis *lots* more work to read, comprehend, and summarize... partly attributable to our increased used of 'Arthur'
[02:37:27] <cmn32480> yes
[02:38:14] <cmn32480> arthur gives us the full story (unless it spans pages), and during the week for the last 2 weeks we haven't needed him much, but last weekend, we'd have been bone dry w/o him
[02:38:19] <Bytram> cmn32480: for the weekend, were you still spacing stories at 90 minutes? or did you space them out to the usual 2 hours mark?
[02:38:28] <Bytram> ^^^
[02:38:37] <cmn32480> I was trying to space further tahn 2 hours
[02:38:43] <Bytram> k
[02:39:25] <cmn32480> does the weekend start in UTC? or my local TZ?
[02:40:31] <Bytram> after work ends on friday?
[02:40:48] <cmn32480> UTC or local TZ?
[02:41:25] <cmn32480> anyway... doens't matter
[02:41:26] <Bytram> I dunno for sure... I just try to be mindful of our folks in the UTC and even further east and try to schedule accordingly
[02:41:30] <Bytram> 'xactly
[02:42:06] <cmn32480> I've had enough fun for one day
[02:42:19] <cmn32480> time for me to hit the sack
[02:42:20] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[02:42:20] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 10
[02:42:20] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[02:42:20] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 11
[02:42:23] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[02:42:23] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 12
[02:42:32] <Bytram> ahh, an even dozemn!
[02:42:32] <cmn32480> martyb++
[02:42:32] <Bender> karma - martyb: 1
[02:42:33] <Deucalion> nighters cmn32480
[02:42:36] <Bytram> lol
[02:42:44] <cmn32480> bytram++
[02:42:44] <Bender> karma - bytram: 7
[02:42:45] <Bytram> cmn32480: many many thanks for filling the queue!
[02:42:58] <Bytram> ahh, that's better! =)
[02:42:59] <Deucalion> Underrated +1
[02:43:05] <cmn32480> no problem. we jsut have to decide what to do with the rest of the leftovers in the qwueue
[02:43:09] <Bytram> Inciteful +1
[02:43:16] <cmn32480> bytram++
[02:43:16] <Bender> karma - bytram: 8
[02:43:16] <cmn32480> bytram++
[02:43:16] <Bender> karma - bytram: 9
[02:43:17] <cmn32480> bytram++
[02:43:17] <Bender> karma - bytram: 10
[02:43:18] <cmn32480> bytram++
[02:43:18] <Bender> karma - bytram: 11
[02:43:20] <cmn32480> bytram++
[02:43:20] <Bender> karma - bytram: 12
[02:43:22] <Deucalion> what are you inciting?
[02:43:22] <Bytram> Oy!
[02:43:25] <cmn32480> ane ven dozen!
[02:43:38] <cmn32480> it's Baltimore... riots of course!
[02:43:53] <Bytram> nothing in particular, but there are times when I wished we had a "+1 Inciteful" moderation!
[02:44:03] <cmn32480> heheh
[02:44:09] <cmn32480> +5 Troll
[02:44:13] <cmn32480> my favorite
[02:44:17] * Bytram has seen it
[02:44:21] <cmn32480> me too
[02:44:27] <cmn32480> never had it applied to me
[02:44:35] <cmn32480> but it si hilarious
[02:44:40] <Deucalion> good Troll is good :D
[02:44:53] <Bytram> good-troll++
[02:45:02] <Bytram> good_troll++
[02:45:02] <Bender> karma - good_troll: 1
[02:45:03] <cmn32480> no dash
[02:45:21] <cmn32480> ok gents. before I fall asleep on my keyboard
[02:45:31] <cmn32480> everybody have a good night
[02:45:36] <cmn32480> and if I don'
[02:45:43] <cmn32480> t talk to you, have a fine weekend
[02:46:06] <Bytram> and the same to you, my friend.
[02:46:09] <Bytram> cmn32480: and btw
[02:46:17] <Bytram> this new lappy is going great!
[02:46:25] <cmn32480> :-)
[02:46:30] <cmn32480> glad it helps
[02:46:33] <Bytram> I've completely cut over and only see a couple things left to do.
[02:46:36] <Bytram> like backups.
[02:46:38] <Bytram> :/
[02:46:44] <cmn32480> nice (mostly)
[02:46:50] <Bytram> but that'll be a story submission of its own!
[02:46:57] <cmn32480> hahaha
[02:47:05] <Bytram> How do YOU backup your systems?
[02:47:10] <cmn32480> For file level stuff... I like Cobian Backup
[02:47:36] <cmn32480> but I have a NAS here at the house that has a client that does an auto backup and it works pretty well.
[02:47:49] <Bytram> file level access is important in case I accidentally delete a critical file, but I also want to be able to nuke my disk and do a complete reinstall and get *EVERYTHING* back.
[02:48:21] <cmn32480> define everythgin
[02:48:23] <cmn32480> bare metal?
[02:48:30] <cmn32480> bare metal restore?
[02:48:35] <cmn32480> that ain't as easy
[02:48:46] <cmn32480> requires DD or similar
[02:48:51] <Bytram> pull the hard disk, put in a new one, copy image, reboot, exactly-the-same
[02:49:23] <cmn32480> woof
[02:49:29] <cmn32480> I'll have to think about that
[02:49:32] <Bytram> or, short of that, at least gathering all the registry hooks and files so that all my apps behavre exactly the same
[02:50:24] <cmn32480> I like Macrium, but I don't think you can image the system disk
[02:50:33] <Bytram> k
[02:50:43] <cmn32480> lemme research a bit
[02:51:05] <Bytram> like I said, I think it would make a good story submission... I'd like to hear what others have done and even more importantly, how well their restores worked out!
[02:51:42] <Deucalion> Bytram, I like Unison for file level backups.... https://www.cis.upenn.edu - I suspect you'll like the user manual, it has a gadzillion options. It's a bit like rsync on steroids.
[02:51:43] <^> ^ 03Unison File Synchronizer
[02:52:37] <cmn32480> night guys
[02:52:42] <Bytram> I'm not so much a fan or 'a gadzillion options' as I am being able to find sane choices to do what I need done; I'm more
[02:52:45] <Bytram> cmn32480: good night!
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[02:53:06] <Bytram> interested in consistent meta-language for the options....
[02:53:59] <Bytram> foo --bar-set=30 --bar-set="this" --write-baz=/usr/temp/baz.txt
[02:54:11] <Bytram> that's the kind of stuff that drives me ever-loving crazy!
[02:54:13] <Deucalion> Bytram, I liked it purely for the fact it was well documented. I think I only use 2 or 3 option switches out of the many it has.
[02:54:19] <Bytram> nice!
[02:55:02] <Bytram> to make it explicit: noun-verb noun-verb verb-noun?!!!?!
[02:55:09] <Deucalion> much like rsync though, you do need to get destination and source the right way around on initial setup :D
[02:55:16] <Bytram> and have you tested your backups?
[02:55:39] <Deucalion> yup
[02:55:51] <Bytram> goody!
[02:56:20] <Deucalion> All I can say is - works for me... YMMV etc caveat etc etc blah
[02:56:38] <Bytram> understood!
[02:57:12] <Bytram> what do you think of it as a topic for a story? How do you backup your systems? And what problems have you had?
[03:01:36] <Deucalion> Not sure I would run a story primarily on Unison... maybe a Journal entry as to how I use it (including full disk encrypted offline replicas etc.)... it's a subject that has been done to death and at the end of the day comes down to preference... some people like imaging for bare metal restores, others are happy backing up user data in the knowledge that if it all goes south, the OS install only takes a few minutes and the user data can just
[03:01:36] <Deucalion> be dropped in. Horses for courses.
[03:01:38] <Bytram> I just pushed out a couple more stories; we are currently set until 2015-08-29 @ 10:03 UTC
[03:02:57] <Bytram> sorry, I should have been clearer... I was thinking of *my* submitting a story asking people: what program(s) they have used for backup, what their problems have been, and what they would recommend
[03:03:53] <Deucalion> It can't hurt
[03:04:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:04:41] <Bytram> My thoughts are, though, that I want to be able to be around when the story comes out so that i can answer any questions that might arise.
[03:04:50] <Bytram> it may be a while before I can do that. :/
[03:05:36] <Bytram> anyway, slumber calls... have a great night everyone!
[03:05:51] <Deucalion> you too, snore well and prosper!
[03:05:58] <Bytram> LOL!
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