#editorial | Logs for 2015-05-12

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[00:49:21] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'm here for a second edit or whatever for a little while, but I should be heading to bed in a few hours
[00:49:48] <takyon> i put a bunch of subs in the sub pile
[00:49:58] <mrcoolbp> oh cool, lemme look
[00:50:01] <takyon> this is just one that requires a bit more thought from me
[00:50:41] <mrcoolbp> what do you think about the FSF Job story?
[00:50:56] <mrcoolbp> kinda job-vertisement-y
[00:51:20] <takyon> kinda?
[00:51:49] <takyon> heck, I'd run it
[00:51:59] <takyon> give a soylentil a jorb
[00:52:06] <mrcoolbp> yeah, seems okay, just kind of out of the ordinary for it
[00:52:12] <mrcoolbp> s/it/us/
[00:52:20] <mrcoolbp> I'll run it
[00:52:26] <takyon> FSF might be a dream job for this crowd though
[00:52:42] <takyon> and you can run it like 30 minutes within some other story
[00:52:50] <mrcoolbp> sure
[00:53:14] <takyon> so people don't have to stare at it top of the page for 90 minutes and such
[00:59:34] <mrcoolbp> done
[01:00:26] <takyon> i'll adjust the timing and copyedit it after you put a new story in
[01:00:47] <mrcoolbp> I put it 30 min after the most recent one
[01:01:06] <takyon> it should be 30 min before the story that comes after it actually
[01:01:14] <takyon> geddit
[01:01:15] <mrcoolbp> okay, throw it wherever
[01:01:17] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[01:01:40] <mrcoolbp> I'm proofreading the Elbrus-4c CPU bit
[01:02:29] <takyon> proofread it carefully, this is going to be your next CPU purchase
[01:03:59] <mrcoolbp> doesn't look like it
[01:12:39] <takyon> so the mathmetician hitting people story isn't a dupe right
[01:12:49] <takyon> because I know I read about it a couple months ago
[01:13:04] <mrcoolbp> don't think so, but it needs some editing I think
[01:13:07] <mrcoolbp> takyon ^
[01:18:46] <mrcoolbp> takyon: the links are kinda weird on that one, and so are the quotes
[01:19:01] <mrcoolbp> all one paragraph etc.
[01:19:09] <takyon> it's Hugh
[01:19:21] <mrcoolbp> hugh is slippin'
[01:19:34] <takyon> that's debatable
[01:19:41] <mrcoolbp> heh
[01:19:52] <takyon> it's time for me to shit talk Hugh
[01:20:03] <mrcoolbp> reminder: this channel is logged = )
[01:20:17] <takyon> his submissions are basically one paragraph, with quotes from multiple sources but nothing to indicate that he didn't write it.
[01:20:43] <takyon> it can be tough to check because sometimes a word or two will be changed at the beginning, or the tense or something
[01:20:51] <mrcoolbp> ick
[01:20:54] <takyon> other than that I usually enjoy the content
[01:20:58] <mrcoolbp> right
[01:21:06] <mrcoolbp> he's kind of an interesting guy
[01:21:18] <takyon> did you read his wiki
[01:21:57] <mrcoolbp> I skimmed it in the early days trying to figure out his deal
[01:22:15] <mrcoolbp> he was submitting as another name
[01:22:33] <takyon> yeah why was that
[01:22:49] <mrcoolbp> not sure, he was submitting to /. under Hugh, and to us under....
[01:22:53] <mrcoolbp> Papas Fritas?
[01:22:56] <takyon> that's right
[01:22:58] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[01:23:11] <mrcoolbp> I think he still submits both places
[01:23:27] <takyon> one of these days I'll email him a style guide
[01:23:38] <mrcoolbp> heh
[01:23:45] <takyon> the proper way to submit is...
[01:23:54] <mrcoolbp> we could reject a story of his and tell him that's why
[01:24:12] <mrcoolbp> point him to https://soylentnews.org
[01:24:14] <Manbearpig> ^ 03SoylentNews: FAQ
[01:24:15] <takyon> Plain Old Text, with <blockquote> tags but no paragraph tags. and with more line breaks than he uses
[01:24:36] <mrcoolbp> or html and do the work for us
[01:25:03] <takyon> no if you use "plain old text", line breaks, and blockquote tags everything just automatically works
[01:25:19] <takyon> I'm not sure if anyone really understands that
[01:25:50] <mrcoolbp> I used p tags once and it got screwed up
[01:25:58] <takyon> you'd think that "HTML formatting" is the right way to go but it just makes more work for you and the editors
[01:26:16] <mrcoolbp> I think paulej72 is working on making it use tags instead of 
[01:26:33] <takyon> check one of my submissions
[01:26:58] <mrcoolbp> 
[01:27:08] <takyon> oh shit
[01:27:11] * mrcoolbp tests on dev
[01:27:15] <takyon> I forgot about my soylent extension
[01:27:16] <takyon> LOL
[01:27:22] <mrcoolbp> heh
[01:27:57] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[01:28:13] <takyon> I made it replace and put in line breaks
[01:28:32] <takyon> and it does it automatically to every submission I edit
[01:28:46] <takyon> maybe I should publish it
[01:30:08] <takyon> you're in the dark ages of editing if you don't have my extension
[01:30:26] <mrcoolbp> I have Azreals WYSIWYG extension
[01:30:35] <mrcoolbp> but we should fix this in the code
[01:31:11] <mrcoolbp> but as I said: if you use "html-formatted" and put in the tags, it works perfectly
[01:31:23] <mrcoolbp> text only is if you don't want to type them
[01:31:48] <mrcoolbp> https://dev.soylentnews.org(HTML-Formatted)
[01:31:50] <Manbearpig> ^ 03SN (dev) Submission by mrcoolbp: Testing Submission Methods 1 (HTML-Formatted)
[01:33:04] <takyon> let me just publish my code real quick
[01:33:25] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I just don't have the motivation to fix the Hugh story
[01:33:37] <takyon> ok i'll look at it
[01:34:58] <takyon> http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:00] <Manbearpig> ^ 03SN journal Soylent Upgrade user extension for Chrome 04(0 comments)
[01:35:43] <takyon> the long list of "temp = temp.replace = ..." is where most of the action is
[01:38:23] * mrcoolbp tries to figure out how to author an extension
[01:38:52] <takyon> I'm not sure how to make it work in Firefox, but I think it should be easy.
[01:39:02] <mrcoolbp> using chrome
[01:39:24] <takyon> well for Chrome you have to save it as soyupgrade.user.js
[01:39:31] <mrcoolbp> k
[01:39:46] <takyon> and then drag it into the chrome://extensions
[01:39:48] <takyon> HOWEVER
[01:40:09] <takyon> you need to run dev-m chrome to allow your own user extensions
[01:40:16] <mrcoolbp> I have tampermonkey
[01:40:25] <takyon> what's that
[01:40:32] <takyon> greasemonkey clone?
[01:40:47] <mrcoolbp> oh I can just paste it in there
[01:40:48] <mrcoolbp> lol
[01:40:51] <takyon> figures
[01:41:13] <takyon> some of this dev-m stuff caused me a lot of annoyance back in the day
[01:41:49] <takyon> check out a submission to see if it worked
[01:42:11] <mrcoolbp> whoa, it auto-replaced them
[01:42:16] <takyon> yeah it did
[01:42:19] <mrcoolbp> that's handy
[01:42:25] <mrcoolbp> nice work
[01:42:39] <takyon> the days of staring at a big blob of text finding places to hit enter are over
[01:42:45] <mrcoolbp> yay
[01:43:46] <takyon> since you have simplifyChars = true, it's going to replace fancy quotation marks and ellipses too
[01:43:49] <takyon> or it should
[01:44:14] <takyon> yeah it does
[01:44:37] <mrcoolbp> wohoo
[01:45:57] <takyon> it's not going to catch every little issue, for example there's some weirdness with a closing on my FCC submission, but it adds whitespace, which is what I was going for
[01:46:36] <takyon> it should add a blockquote button when commenting too. but I think I have to add another URL at the top so that works all the time
[01:46:48] <takyon> you just highlight the text and hit blockquote
[01:47:35] <takyon> the algorithm is dumb though, so if you tried to blockquote "ttttttt" within "tttttttttttttttttt ddddddd tttttttttttt" it would just blockquote the beginning part
[01:48:14] <mrcoolbp> sure, I can write a blockquote tag though, I like how it's transparent
[01:48:24] <mrcoolbp> "just-works" dept.
[01:55:38] <CoolHand> mrcoolbp:
[01:55:44] <mrcoolbp> yeah?
[01:55:56] <CoolHand> mrcoolbp: in the Tor story, the 2nd link to the blog doesnt' work for me
[01:56:02] <CoolHand> gets https error
[01:56:04] <mrcoolbp> oh hrm?
[01:56:13] <CoolHand> https://blog.torproject.org
[01:56:15] <Manbearpig> ^ 03Tor Cloud Service Ending; Many Ways Remain to Help Users Access an Uncensored Internet | The Tor Blog
[01:56:25] <takyon> all links work for me
[01:56:29] <CoolHand> ok...
[01:56:31] <mrcoolbp> Tor Cloud Service Ending; Many Ways Remain to Help Users Access an Uncensored Internet
[01:56:35] <mrcoolbp> works for me ^
[01:56:43] <CoolHand> must be something funky with me then
[01:56:59] <takyon> can't be another cert issue can it?
[01:57:19] <CoolHand> An error occurred during a connection to blog.torproject.org. The server uses key pinning (HPKP) but no trusted certificate chain could be constructed that matches the pinset. Key pinning violations cannot be overridden. (Error code: mozilla_pkix_error_key_pinning_failure)
[01:57:36] <mrcoolbp> you nailed it takyon
[01:58:01] <mrcoolbp> not sure what it means but it said "cert" so I'm giving it to you
[01:58:42] <takyon> Public Key Pinning is a mechanism for sites to specify which certificate authorities have issued valid certs for that site, and for user-agents to reject TLS connections to those sites if the certificate is not issued by a known-good CA.
[01:58:54] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[01:58:56] <takyon> that's from the mouth of mozilla
[01:59:07] <mrcoolbp> chrome doesn't mind it
[02:00:07] <takyon> oh yeah my extension also automatically increases the height of the textareas
[02:00:47] <mrcoolbp> oving thatl
[02:00:52] <mrcoolbp> er, loving that
[02:02:17] <takyon> it used to add the "Digital Liberty" topic to topic selection dropdowns. but that's been fixed so I removed it
[02:06:17] <mrcoolbp> gonna take a break, got to get to sleep later
[02:07:59] <takyon> see you
[02:13:24] <mrcoolbp> later sir, thanks!
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[02:52:52] <takyon> i shaved an hour off of the queue
[02:53:13] <takyon> to mash up the FSF job story next to the one next to it
[02:53:15] <takyon> all by design
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[15:28:02] <Bytram> Hi all!
[15:29:33] <CoolHand> Bytram: !!
[15:29:53] <Bytram> I completely rewrote my privacy story and marked it as display; need someone to 2nd edit it.
[15:30:00] <CoolHand> awesome
[15:30:18] <Bytram> I just noticed a typo in the title: Personal Privacy in a Surveilance World -- How Important is it?
[15:30:34] * Bytram thinks there's two 'L's in surveillance
[15:30:59] <CoolHand> yep
[15:31:05] <CoolHand> want me to fix or are you going to first?
[15:31:06] * Bytram is very tired -- crazy busy time at work and dealing with life stuff is draining -- coming out the other side, albeit slowly
[15:31:17] <Bytram> have at it
[15:31:20] <Bytram> how are YOU doing?
[15:31:36] * Bytram notices the time and realizes he needs to be AT work in 45 minutes. :/
[15:31:37] <CoolHand> good.. good.. work is pretty busy (which isn't all bad) but other than that..
[15:31:40] <CoolHand> :)
[15:31:44] <CoolHand> c ya dude :)
[15:31:47] <Bytram> so glad to hear it!
[15:32:05] <Bytram> Many MANY thanks for stepping up to the plate as an editor -- you've done us proud!
[15:32:30] <CoolHand> thank you, sir!
[15:32:31] <CoolHand> :)
[15:32:39] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[15:32:39] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 7
[15:32:41] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[15:32:41] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 8
[15:32:42] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[15:32:42] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 9
[15:32:42] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[15:32:42] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 10
[15:32:52] <Bytram> now you are in synch with #Soylent =)
[15:33:04] <Bytram> and me needs to jump in the shower and get a move on.
[15:33:21] <Bytram> I set the time for the story to run tomorrow at 11AM-ish, or so I hope.
[15:34:00] <Bytram> btw, there was a major earthquake in Nepal -- haven't seen a story in our queue; might be nice to add a "Breaking News" story about it and refer back to our prior story (I'm pretty sure we did have one)
[15:34:02] <Bytram> ok, gtg
[15:34:08] <Bytram> thanks!!!!!!!
[15:34:13] <Bytram> afk
[15:34:19] <CoolHand> ok! c ya! have a good un :)
[15:34:59] <janrinok> hi/bye Bytram
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