#editorial | Logs for 2015-04-17
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[01:20:11] <NCommander> Hrm
[01:20:24] * NCommander is code diving
[01:20:39] <NCommander> I'm vaguely thinking about writing a review of Windows 10 RTM that goes in-depth
[01:20:45] <NCommander> er, not RTM
[01:33:54] <cmn32480> You mean the current revision of the Tech preview that is out? The first RC won't be out until May 4 from what I hear
[01:34:30] <cmn32480> NCommander^
[02:14:08] <NCommander> cmn32480, yeah
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[03:19:12] <cmn32480> Coolhand
[03:19:39] <cmn32480> don't delete the story I just put in the queue from martyb
[03:19:59] <cmn32480> feel free to spend the 5 seconds necessary to review
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[11:36:01] <CoolHand> anyone here?
[12:46:21] <Bytram> CoolHand: nobody here at all. =)
[12:46:24] <Bytram> hi!
[12:46:54] <Bytram> Heads up: I just noticed this AM that there is a story that went out this AM on Pew research into the effects of snowden leaks...
[12:47:26] <Bytram> decided it might be best to defer the story I submitted (discus privacy) until monday.
[12:47:48] <Bytram> that would let the current story get full attention, and then allow the comments therein to be referred to in the monday story.
[12:49:41] <CoolHand> ok, cool... I was wondering what the deal was with your "story" anyway...
[12:50:35] <CoolHand> I don't remember us publishing a one sentence story before, and I hadn't heard any info on it other than cmn saying don't delete it... I was starting to get nervouse since it was getting close and no one was around..
[12:50:51] <CoolHand> so is that really how we're going to publish it? don't want to x-ref other privacy stories or anything?
[12:51:13] <CoolHand> Bytram: ping
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[12:52:38] <Bytram> pong
[12:52:52] <CoolHand> hah..
[12:53:01] <Bytram> =)
[12:53:03] <Bytram> whatsup?
[12:53:38] <CoolHand> see previous sentences... just wondering waht the deal was with that story.. takyon will probly wanna know too.. he'll probably heart attack if we run a one sentence story with no links.. :)
[12:54:10] <Bytram> you may not have been around when it happened...
[12:54:23] <CoolHand> probably not
[12:54:36] <Bytram> but there was a story posted a few (several?) months ago which basically was: "statement. Discuss."
[12:54:48] <Bytram> I can't remember the topic offhand
[12:55:00] <Bytram> one of the best discussions I'd seen on the site up to that point.
[12:55:22] <Bytram> rather than expound on all of the tracking stuff on the net by corps and govs, it seemed
[12:55:29] <Bytram> best to just put a statement out there...
[12:55:37] <CoolHand> I was around as a reader (have been since beginning). I do vaguely remember that now.. so, doing that again... cool by me.. :)
[12:55:40] <Bytram> asserting that it is NOT a problem.
[12:56:00] <Bytram> there are some who will say 'there's something wrong on the internet and I need to fix it'
[12:56:10] * Bytram thinkgs there's an xkcd about that somewhere
[12:56:34] <Bytram> and then once THOSe folks post, then someone else will think THEY are wrong... and will comment and.... =)
[12:56:50] <CoolHand> get a good flamewar going? :)
[12:57:04] <Bytram> nope. good *discussion*
[12:57:11] <CoolHand> :)
[12:57:24] <Bytram> the basic premise is that I've spoken with some educated people in the past several months
[12:57:52] <Bytram> who think there's no big deal to the gov gathering all the call record data, etc. nothing wrong with google tracking everything
[12:58:02] <Bytram> credit reporting agencies
[12:58:07] <Bytram> store loyalty cards
[12:58:11] <CoolHand> it's definitely an important topic (and highly relevant right now)
[12:58:16] <Bytram> ad trascking networks
[12:58:20] <Bytram> so...
[12:58:43] <Bytram> I find it absolutely repugnant, bbut beyond the 'ick' factor, what is the real problem with it?
[12:59:15] <CoolHand> it enables a tyrannical state..
[12:59:25] <Bytram> there IS a saying, praphrased, that goes "give me six sentences penned by the most honest of men and I can find sufficient to hang him"
[12:59:47] <CoolHand> yep
[13:00:37] * Bytram had been subjected to false charges in our legal system and likely has a different perspective from others who have not
[13:00:40] <Bytram> :/
[13:01:14] <CoolHand> well, the downside to the topic, is I don't think that anywone will actually argue FOR less privacy (unless we get some corporate bigwig capitalist on here or something - or maybe a head honcho LEO)
[13:01:55] <CoolHand> I think the larger question is how to motivate the populace to do what they can to stop it all.. or if there is even a feasible way to do so
[13:02:08] <Bytram> that's possible, but I believe there are a few who really do believe 'if you've done nothing wrong, then what have you got to hide'?
[13:02:27] * Bytram seems to recall seeing such discussions in some story threads
[13:02:29] <CoolHand> could be "a few" I guess.... :)
[13:02:39] <Bytram> and, that's all it takes. =)
[13:03:07] <CoolHand> they have to be either trolls or have a huge amount of naivete..
[13:03:55] <Bytram> nothing wrong with naiveté that some experience and time won't correct
[13:05:01] <Bytram> brb
[13:05:05] <CoolHand> so... our next topics... 1) Vi is the worst editor ever: discuss ..and 2)God is dead: discuss :)
[13:05:33] <CoolHand> oh, and 3) Climate change is a hoax: discuss
[13:05:35] <CoolHand> hehe
[13:08:01] <Bytram> I see that subtlety is your strong suit!
[13:08:03] <CoolHand> so, I guess that does lead my thought process to a slight problem with a topic like this (even though it should lead to a good discussion). The premise of the site is to post news stories about topics and discuss them, not to just post topics and discuss them. We already discuss these topics with the stories, so why post the topic on its own.. seems like we can just do away with the whole news concept then, and just post discussion top
[13:08:24] <Bytram> hmmm, interesting point!
[13:08:28] * Bytram ponders
[13:08:36] <CoolHand> so, yeah, I can see maybe occasionally having one of these, but let's not overdo it I think.. :)
[13:08:45] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:08:48] <CoolHand> that's just my thoughts now that I'm thinking about it
[13:09:21] <CoolHand> :)
[13:09:47] <Bytram> excellent points, indeed. I may have to step back and write up something with some more substance.
[13:10:02] <Bytram> "The longest distance between two points in a shortcut."
[13:10:10] <CoolHand> lol
[13:10:13] <CoolHand> :)
[13:14:47] <Bytram> afk.... biab
[13:25:44] <Bytram> back
[13:26:11] * Bytram just realized today is friday, the queue is low and submissions on the weekend tend to tail off...
[13:27:01] <Bytram> should prolly push out as many stories as we can to drop the queue down (to entice submissions) and spread them out at, say, 2.5-3 hours on the weekend, so we don't run entirely dry before submissions pick up monday afternoon
[13:28:02] <Bytram> CoolHand: looking for a 2nd opinion on the submission: "April 15: Expect a Reduced Workforce in Low-Wage Workplaces "
[13:28:13] <Bytram> there's an editor's note: "Kill?"
[13:28:20] <Bytram> I think that is a good idea.
[13:28:27] <Bytram> if you concur, then I'll delete it.
[13:28:37] <Bytram> or any other editor, for that matter.
[13:30:03] <Bytram> also, there's an editor's note on: "3D Printed Speakers" which states: "not news -1st 3dprinted speaker in late 2013 (googled)"
[13:30:16] <Bytram> can someone else confirm?
[13:45:00] <CoolHand> Bytram:
[13:45:16] <CoolHand> I killed both those earlier before you posted that stuff, so....
[13:45:22] <CoolHand> :)
[13:46:03] <Bytram> have you noticed things being 'sluggish' with the story editor?
[13:46:08] <CoolHand> ..and yeah, I think we're going to have to start longer spacing
[13:46:20] <CoolHand> I haven't noticed it, but haven't been in much this morning
[13:46:23] <Bytram> I'll click to do something and have to wait like 30 seconds for it to even start to bring up a reply page
[13:46:57] <Bytram> could just be my connection
[13:47:03] <Bytram> sometimes it responds just fine
[13:47:11] <Bytram> and other times I'm waiting.... and waiting... and ...
[13:47:14] <Bytram> :/
[13:48:23] * Bytram clicked '10 submissions' in the admin title bar 15 seconds ago
[13:48:54] <Bytram> that = "#request# GET https://soylentnews.org"
[13:48:54] <clippit> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions
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[13:49:15] * Bytram is still waiting
[13:49:42] * Bytram JUST got a response
[13:49:52] <CoolHand> takyon had some grand idea about running a story every hour on the hour on 4/20... but I don't see that happening with sub q as low as it is..
[13:50:07] <Bytram> interesting...
[13:50:24] <Bytram> we had discussed story scheduling a long while ago and came up with the idea
[13:50:34] <Bytram> that it might be best to have random times on their being posted
[13:50:53] <Bytram> if you *KNOW* exactly when stories will appear, there's no 'reward' in that.
[13:51:31] <Bytram> if you click, not knowing, and nothing happens, and nothing happens, and then 'new story!' there's an effect that encourages continued 'seeking' and checking
[13:51:34] <CoolHand> well, at least I think he said on the hour.. won't swear to that part w/o checking my logs..
[13:51:42] <Bytram> that's a poor explanation, but I think you get the idea
[13:51:43] <CoolHand> didn't mean to get him in "trouble".. :)
[13:52:07] * Bytram thinks it's related to how hard it is to get a child to stop crying or to get them to smile, but when you do... 'Nice!'
[13:52:14] <Bytram> no trouble at all!
[13:52:35] <CoolHand> every hour on the :20 min.. mark..
[13:52:36] <CoolHand> 22:55 <+ takyon>| speaking of, I wanted to run a story every hour on the :20 minute mark on April 20, how do you guys feel about that
[13:52:39] <Bytram> did you put in the 'yes' notes on two stories in the queue?
[13:52:51] <CoolHand> nope
[13:53:05] * Bytram neither
[13:53:52] <Bytram> hmmm, atm the only other editor I see in the list at the bottom of the submissions page is 'takyon' -- I suspect it must be him.
[13:54:29] * Bytram clicks 'Stories' in admin toolbar
[13:54:37] <Bytram> and it came right back
[13:54:59] <CoolHand> this is usually around the time he shows up if I recall correctly..
[13:55:02] * Bytram clicks 'Submission' in admin toolbar
[13:55:12] <Bytram> and it's done.
[13:55:35] <CoolHand> I just 2nd edited your stories, and had no problem..
[13:55:40] * mrcoolbp is not feeling well
[13:55:59] <CoolHand> hey mrcoolbp is here! sorry u aren't feeling good dude..
[13:56:11] <mrcoolbp> s'okay
[13:56:12] * Bytram is good with math, but can't notice things that happen regularly unless I see it printed out in a log or somesuch.
[13:56:26] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: {{{{{{ mrcoolbp }}}}}}
[13:56:34] <mrcoolbp> Bytram has teh visual scanning skillz, I've seen 'em
[13:56:37] <mrcoolbp> thx bytram
[13:56:44] * Bytram goes to prepare some chicken soup but chicken is not amused.
[13:57:17] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I appreciate the complement, but I dont recall where you'd have seen 'em?
[13:57:29] <mrcoolbp> at my apartment
[13:57:41] <mrcoolbp> you were like "I need'a see it written down"
[13:57:48] <Bytram> go on
[13:58:20] * Bytram decided to skip the chicken and just get noodles, but then was intercepted by the FSM... :(
[13:58:26] <mrcoolbp> I saw you proofreading NC's story he wrote, and I saw you projecting the numbers on subscriber revenue
[13:58:35] <mrcoolbp> I don't remember much else, but I just woke up
[13:58:47] <Bytram> that's fine... now i remember! thanks!
[13:58:50] <Bytram> go back to bed.
[13:58:51] <CoolHand> Bytram: did he touch u with his noodly appendage?
[13:58:51] <mrcoolbp> = )
[13:59:18] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I slept nearly 16hrs straight, I'm trying to be awake, may even have some coffee
[13:59:26] * Bytram can be pretty quick when the need arises; I was a stunt double for Neo in the matrix. ;)
[13:59:43] <mrcoolbp> trying to catch up, what did I miss here in #editorial boys?
[13:59:46] <Bytram> musta needed it! GOOD. FOR. YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:59:53] <mrcoolbp> yah, I left work early
[14:00:12] <CoolHand> scheduling/queue issues... discussion on one sentence stories...
[14:00:27] <Bytram> ^^^ what he said
[14:00:31] <mrcoolbp> one-sentence stories = no no
[14:00:45] <mrcoolbp> I saw the thing about the ACs and email, missed the queue discussion
[14:00:46] <Bytram> bbbbbut it's a GOOD sentence! =)
[14:00:49] <CoolHand> lol
[14:00:56] <CoolHand> yeah, it's Bytram's baby..
[14:01:09] <mrcoolbp> care to elaborate on the story scheduling thing?
[14:01:13] <CoolHand> read the log for more explanation :) (or scrollback buffer)
[14:01:26] <Bytram> but I've come to agree with CoolHand's assessment. am thinking of making it non-display and writing up something more substantiative
[14:02:14] <CoolHand> queue discussion was just about stretching thru w/e mostly.. and takyon's idea the other day of running stories every hour on the :20 min mark on 4/20...
[14:03:56] <Bytram> that could make things a might bit intersting on May Day. =)
[14:03:58] <mrcoolbp> max time between stories should be 3.5 hours
[14:04:12] <mrcoolbp> about
[14:04:25] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: btw, here's the story under discussion:
[14:04:25] <Bytram> Personal privacy (offline and online) is not important.
[14:04:25] <Bytram> Discuss.
[14:04:30] <Bytram> that's it.
[14:04:41] <mrcoolbp> is that a sub?
[14:05:05] <mrcoolbp> oh i see it now
[14:05:16] <Bytram> story in the queue for monday AM
[14:05:29] * Bytram is waiting for the story to update...
[14:05:42] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: what's the motivation for posting that>
[14:05:45] * Bytram has been hitting intermittent pauses in the admin UI all morning
[14:05:58] <mrcoolbp> yeah dev is borked right now
[14:06:04] <mrcoolbp> can't even login
[14:06:09] <CoolHand> mrcoolbp: re-reading our discussion from this am would really be the easiest way of getting that info..
[14:06:25] <CoolHand> it's just right up there above... :)
[14:06:29] <mrcoolbp> I skimmed it
[14:06:32] <CoolHand> ah
[14:06:48] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: scrollback to where I wrote: the basic premise is that I've spoken with some educated people in the past several months
[14:07:45] <Bytram> Either I'm a bit paranoid, and overreacting to this, or maybe there *is* something to it, and others are [blissfully] unaware/ignorant
[14:08:14] <Bytram> I thought I'd seek out the collective wisdom of the site to get some ammo to go back to my friends with, or find something to quell my fears.
[14:08:45] <CoolHand> so.. make it a "Ask SN" and flesh it out into more of an articl is my humble opinion... :)
[14:08:52] <CoolHand> but who am I? :)
[14:08:58] <Bytram> NICE! I *like* that!
[14:09:46] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I get your idea, but it's definitely a different pace from the normal "stories" we run, maybe we should try to get janrinok's opinion or something
[14:10:17] <Bytram> agreed. that's why I updated the story to indicate this, and marked it as non-display.
[14:10:34] <Bytram> CoolHand can be persuasive
[14:10:59] <CoolHand> lol.. not with the wife..
[14:11:07] <mrcoolbp> ah, and lol
[14:11:43] <Bytram> lol, indeed!
[14:12:48] <Bytram> if I get 9 complements and one criticism, I seem to mostly notice the criticism
[14:13:05] * Bytram has been practicing accepting complements
[14:13:32] <CoolHand> good idea Bytram :)
[14:14:54] <Bytram> Thank you, very much!
[14:14:56] <Bytram> =)
[14:15:32] <Bytram> afk biab
[14:20:35] <CoolHand> oh, by the way I changed the Poll to say "search engine" instead of "search enginge" (I think that was what it was).. One of the commenter noted the mis-spelling in the question.. Not sure who posted it originally, but I, and many other respondees apparently didn't notice for awhile..
[14:22:10] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[14:22:10] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 2
[14:22:13] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[14:22:13] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 3
[14:22:13] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[14:22:13] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 4
[14:22:43] <CoolHand> yay, more karma!
[14:22:53] <CoolHand> :)
[14:24:34] <mrcoolbp> I like CoolHand's idea, flesh out to Ask SN article
[14:24:37] <mrcoolbp> teamwork++
[14:24:37] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 8
[14:24:45] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[14:24:45] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 5
[14:24:54] <Bytram> teamwork++
[14:24:54] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 9
[14:25:10] <Bytram> I've got something I need to take care of atm; back in a few minutes
[14:45:44] <FatPhil> work-- ;-p
[14:45:44] <Bender> karma - work: -1
[14:48:26] <mrcoolbp> = (
[15:03:38] <Bytram> for posterity's sake, this was the story that prompted the phrasing of my privacy story: https://soylentnews.org
[15:03:40] <clippit> ^ 03SN article: There are Only 3 Stories in the Queue 04(103 comments)
[15:04:08] <Bytram> story contained:
[15:04:09] <Bytram> buswolley [soylentnews.org] writes:
[15:04:09] <Bytram> [At the time of this submission] There are only 3 stories in the queue [soylentnews.org].
[15:04:09] <Bytram> Discuss.
[15:04:11] <Bytram> and that was it.
[15:04:26] <Bytram> and that generated 103 comments.
[15:06:34] <mrcoolbp> +1 Touché
[15:06:38] <mrcoolbp> brb
[15:06:55] <CoolHand> back... temporarily anyway..
[15:07:17] <CoolHand> Bytram: I think that sort of article is more appropriate when discussing a SN issue, than general news interests though..
[15:07:20] <CoolHand> again, IMHO
[15:07:25] <Bytram> agreed.
[15:07:41] <Bytram> that's why I'm gathering my thoughts on how to support my concerns
[15:08:03] <CoolHand> cool cool cool
[15:08:06] <Bytram> you really made it clear that I needed to do more than I did. Much appreciated!
[15:08:19] <CoolHand> Your velcome
[15:08:30] <Bytram> I was just realizing that this kind of question may come up again in the future, so am documenting it in the logs for future reference
[15:08:36] <Bytram> =)
[15:08:40] <CoolHand> janrinok told me I should pipe in with opinions... :)
[15:08:54] <Bytram> Heh, so YOU think! ;)
[15:09:07] <CoolHand> glad you did, I couldn't remember what article it was..
[15:09:16] <Bytram> hth
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[20:38:48] * Bytram notices the story queue is running low and pushes out a few
[20:58:39] <Bytram> okay, that's five more stories in the queue.
[20:58:57] * Bytram goes back to reading up on Unicode and UTF-8
[21:22:32] <CoolHand> Bytram: beat me to the queue... I just go on to check..
[21:23:24] <Bytram> afk brb
[21:24:24] <CoolHand> s/go/went
[21:25:41] <CoolHand> Bytram: change "Taxi Drives Helping Uber Drivers" to "Taxi Drivers Helping Uber Drivers"
[21:25:53] <CoolHand> dangit! that was supposed to be changing not change
[21:27:37] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:27:41] <Bytram> good catch!
[21:29:29] <CoolHand> thank u sir
[21:29:42] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[21:29:42] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 6
[21:32:38] <CoolHand> ok, I'm outta here... just popped in to check the queue.... c ya later
[21:34:53] <Bytram> CoolHand: ciao!
[21:34:57] <Bytram> and thanks for all the fish!
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[22:22:43] <Bytram> takyon: hi there!
[22:23:17] <Bytram> wasn't sure if anyone else would be coming along, so I drained a bunch of stories from the submission queue into the story queue to [hopefully] stimulate submissions to get us through the weekend
[22:24:40] * mrcoolbp starts to second check
[22:24:56] <takyon> looking good
[22:25:29] <Bytram> takyon: I apologize for not leaving a few more stories for you to play with.
[22:27:07] <takyon> those are mostly stories I wouldn't want to touch
[22:27:40] <takyon> I'll probably take a look at the uber and aerosol stories
[22:27:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[22:27:52] <Bytram> afk; biab
[22:29:31] <takyon> btw, what motivated you to post the ultimate troll (privacy) submission?
[22:32:37] <Bytram> let me see if I can find it in my scrollback
[22:33:44] <Bytram> ok, it's intermixed with some replies... just read the stuff from 'Bytram':
[22:33:45] <Bytram> <Bytram> the basic premise is that I've spoken with some educated people in the past several months
[22:33:45] <Bytram> <Bytram> who think there's no big deal to the gov gathering all the call record data, etc. nothing wrong with google tracking everything
[22:33:45] <Bytram> <Bytram> credit reporting agencies
[22:33:45] <Bytram> <Bytram> store loyalty cards
[22:33:45] <Bytram> <CoolHand> it's definitely an important topic (and highly relevant right now)
[22:33:47] <Bytram> <Bytram> ad trascking networks
[22:33:49] <Bytram> <Bytram> so...
[22:33:51] <Bytram> <Bytram> I find it absolutely repugnant, bbut beyond the 'ick' factor, what is the real problem with it?
[22:33:53] <Bytram> <CoolHand> it enables a tyrannical state..
[22:33:55] <Bytram> <Bytram> there IS a saying, praphrased, that goes "give me six sentences penned by the most honest of men and I can find sufficient to hang him"
[22:33:58] <Bytram> so,
[22:34:26] <Bytram> IOW, I was hoping to bypass the need to write a long screed outlining all the various tracking sources I find repugnant and cut right to the chase.
[22:34:42] <Bytram> but, I became convinced that *that* was not the right approach to take.
[22:34:53] <Bytram> hence it is marked do NOT display, atm
[22:35:25] * Bytram is still working on the wording and contents
[22:35:32] <Bytram> okay, afk biab
[22:52:18] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: adding "dept"s to your stories = )
[22:53:13] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: thanks! I drew a blank on a few of 'em, now that you mention it. :/
[22:53:17] <Bytram> mrcoolbp++
[22:53:17] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 8
[22:53:19] <Bytram> mrcoolbp++
[22:53:19] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 9