#editorial | Logs for 2015-03-28
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[00:00:39] <cmn32480> NotSanguine_ - What si your tmie zone?
[00:02:04] <Phoenix666> cmn32480, everyone: OK, I threw 3-4 more in the hopper. If you like those it should carry everything through 'til about noon EST Sunday.
[00:02:19] <cmn32480> You, sir, are a beast
[00:02:28] <Phoenix666> i'll check back in then. have a good evening/day/morning and ttyl!
[00:02:38] <Phoenix666> :-)
[00:02:45] <cmn32480> You too. Safe weekend
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[00:05:13] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I can take a look real quick, but I'm running off after
[00:05:53] <cmn32480> If you gotta scoot.. it'll hold 'til later. I have bath time coming shortly
[00:06:20] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: recommend changing to <a href="https://soylentnews.org/Phoenix666">
[00:06:20] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03404 File Not Found
[00:06:34] <chromas> ~
[00:06:41] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: OOPS yeah changing to <a href="https://soylentnews.org/~Phoenix666">
[00:06:42] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Phoenix666 - SoylentNews User
[00:06:54] <cmn32480> Got it. I missed that
[00:07:57] <cmn32480> in truth, mrcoolbp, i didn't pick a hard one for the first try.
[00:09:00] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: it will auto link to [userprofile] *unless* they specify an email address, inwhich case it uses mailto, maybe it's just personal pref but I hate mailtos = )
[00:09:21] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: yeah otherwise looks good I'd say
[00:09:24] <cmn32480> understood. I will watch for that
[00:09:41] <mrcoolbp> should we change his "I dunno" to "I don't know" ??
[00:09:50] <cmn32480> yes
[00:09:57] <mrcoolbp> okay I'll fix and approve
[00:10:13] <cmn32480> OK. I am out of the article
[00:10:24] * mrcoolbp thinks
[00:10:40] * mrcoolbp removes "I dunno,"
[00:11:38] <mrcoolbp> better: http://soylentnews.org
[00:11:38] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03I can't!
[00:11:50] <mrcoolbp> lol, okay cmn32480: I gotta jet. Catch ya later.
[00:11:52] <mrcoolbp> = )
[00:11:57] <cmn32480> thanks mrcoolbp
[00:12:02] <mrcoolbp> no prob
[01:09:55] <juggs> hi cmn32480 - can you please register your irc nick with: /ns register <password> <email-address>
[01:10:42] <cmn32480> juggs - is that a new password, or an existing one for some other part of the site?
[01:11:08] <juggs> cmn32480, any password you desire :D Probably best not to use the same as for the site
[01:11:22] <juggs> hi NotSanguine_bathing - can you please register your irc nick with: /ns register <password> <email-address>
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[01:12:38] <juggs> cmn32480, once that's done, each time you connect you'll need to identify with NickServ with: /ns identify <password> or if using an irc client you should be able to put the NickServ password in the config for the connection
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[01:13:55] <cmn32480> done.
[01:14:30] <juggs> Good stuff, I've added you to the Editors group and given you a staff host mask :) Welcome aboard!
[01:14:32] <cmn32480> next time I log in, we'll see if I configured Hexchat correctly
[01:14:43] <cmn32480> Thanks Juggs
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[01:34:16] <NotSanguine_bathing> Hey all
[01:34:32] <NotSanguine_bathing> I just finished editing "EU Announces Plans to Banish Geo-Blocking and Revise Copyright Law"
[01:34:57] <NotSanguine_bathing> Is someone available to look it over and let me know if it's ready to go?
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[01:36:23] <cmn32480|afk> NotSanguine - scroll back a bit. Juggs posted somethign for you to register your nick
[01:36:34] cmn32480|afk is now known as cmn32480
[01:37:59] <NotSanguine> Thanks cmn32480. I took care of it
[01:38:22] <cmn32480> and I added us newbs to the Wiki under editors. What's your time zone?
[01:38:49] <NotSanguine> UTC -5 (US/Eastern)
[01:39:01] <cmn32480> me too.
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[01:42:30] <juggs> Welcome aboard NotSanguine :D
[01:42:38] <NotSanguine> Thanks juggs
[01:54:00] <cmn32480> NotSanguine and I have both dumped stories into the queue for review at anyone's convenience.
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[14:13:42] <CoolHand>
[14:13:51] <janrinok> hi CoolHand
[14:14:04] <CoolHand> cmn32480: my timezone is Easter time (new york/Indianapolis)
[14:14:08] <CoolHand> hey janrinok
[14:14:34] <cmn32480> thanks Coolhand
[14:14:36] <cmn32480> I
[14:14:40] <cmn32480> will fix the wiki
[14:14:42] <janrinok> CoolHand: thanks for your efforts yesterday, the day's work is done
[14:15:54] <cmn32480> coolhand - UTC-4 (EST/EDT) sound right?
[14:16:42] <CoolHand> cmn32480: sounds about right... I believe it's UTC-5 other times depending on DST
[14:16:54] <cmn32480> stupid Daylight savings
[14:17:08] <CoolHand> cmn32480: I agree - I hope Indiana repeals it again... a lot of people want to
[14:17:39] <cmn32480> personally, I think they ought to get rid of it everywhere. cars have headlights afterall
[14:18:47] <janrinok> our clocks change tonight
[14:19:03] <CoolHand> cmn32480: yeah, I agree with that... It's just hard to take here because we resisted for so long (until about 10 years ago), then finally caved in
[14:19:12] <cmn32480> and there is the big issue. it doen'st even happen for everybody at the same time
[14:19:38] <cmn32480> stay strong coolhand!
[14:20:06] <CoolHand> lol... will do :)
[14:22:23] <cmn32480> time to go make coffee... they let me sleep in this morning 'till 10
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[14:36:18] <janrinok> ah, a cup of hot rosie lee (that's tea for our American cousins, not dipped in seawater)
[14:41:12] <janrinok> tea++
[14:41:12] <Bender> karma - tea: 1
[14:41:35] <janrinok> one, ONE!
[14:41:39] <janrinok> tea++
[14:41:39] <janrinok> tea++
[14:41:39] <Bender> karma - tea: 2
[14:41:39] <Bender> karma - tea: 3
[14:47:30] <cmn32480|afk> coffee++
[14:47:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5
[14:47:39] <janrinok> wb
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[14:47:50] <cmn32480> wb?
[14:48:09] <janrinok> welcome backj
[14:48:13] <janrinok> back*
[14:48:13] <cmn32480> ahhh
[14:48:23] <cmn32480> tea for you is like coffee for me
[14:48:32] <cmn32480> if I don't have some, you don't want to be around
[14:48:34] <janrinok> makes me look cool - I haven't got a clue what I'm typing
[14:48:56] <cmn32480> i actually went and found a basic IRC guide last night
[14:49:09] <cmn32480> http://www.ircbeginner.com
[14:49:09] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03#Beginner - IRC Commands, the Basics
[14:49:21] * cmn32480 for stuff like this
[14:49:23] <janrinok> I found one - still unable to do anything other than basic :-)
[14:49:44] <janrinok> hi juggs
[14:49:48] <cmn32480> and I don't know that we need to progress beyond that too far
[14:51:44] <janrinok> while you are here, let me try something - which will probably not work
[14:51:49] <cmn32480> ok
[14:56:23] <janrinok> highlight of my day, that was
[14:57:52] <cmn32480> well I am glad I could help
[14:58:28] <janrinok> there are a couple of subs that I'm not sure belong here
[14:59:11] <janrinok> is the Ellen Pao Vs Kleiner Perkins big in the US?
[15:00:11] <cmn32480> what sport would that be?
[15:00:20] <janrinok> its a court case
[15:00:51] <cmn32480> I have not heard anything, but I have been out of the loop traveling the last 2 weeks
[15:00:54] <janrinok> about gender inequallity - or not, according to the final verdict
[15:01:31] <janrinok> I cannot see what it has to do with SN - other than it is a flamebait story that tend to surface at weekends
[15:02:20] <cmn32480> is it in the queue?
[15:02:30] <janrinok> yep, near the bottom
[15:02:38] <cmn32480> i did see this one
[15:02:51] <cmn32480> it has been in the news, but I haven't been paying attention to it
[15:03:23] <cmn32480> it has to do with tech a littel because it is all out of Silicon Valley
[15:03:33] <janrinok> and the Hillary Clinton story - the submission is concentrating on the political angle rather than the technical. Again, it looks a bit flamebait'ish
[15:04:16] <cmn32480> the political stories are always a bit flamebaitish
[15:04:19] <janrinok> cmn32480: Ah, that explains the Pao story. The linked article doesn't mention SV as far as I recall
[15:05:08] <cmn32480> I think the kliener perkins is a SV VC company
[15:05:41] <janrinok> as you know, we try to avoid purely political stories, but I'll leave it to someone on your side of the pond to decide if that is worth running with
[15:06:06] <cmn32480> it is a big story here
[15:06:39] <janrinok> that will explain the sub then
[15:07:00] <cmn32480> it may be big enough to prevent Clinton from actually running for president
[15:08:17] <cmn32480> she was the presumptive nominee from the democrats up until recently
[15:08:27] <cmn32480> i think it has been mostly becasue of this
[15:08:49] <janrinok> Yes, I can understand that one, but if we start covering all stories about candidates then I have a load of Cameron and Miliband stories which are doing the rounds here. Nothing to do with tech though
[15:09:23] <cmn32480> the only relation to tech is the email server link
[15:09:56] <janrinok> Yes, and we have already covered that in 2 previous stories. I suppose deleting it is a bit naughty though
[15:10:03] <cmn32480> tenuous at best
[15:10:33] <cmn32480> let it sit for a bit and try something else for the moment
[15:11:08] <janrinok> As you are prob aware, we tend to get an influx of trolls at the weekend, particularly Sunday afternoon and evening. Don't push out a really important story unless absolutely necessary, because it will get buried in troll comments
[15:11:30] <cmn32480> yeah, i've noticed that
[15:11:42] <cmn32480> all the sunday drivers so to speak
[15:12:02] <janrinok> It can be disheartening as an editor, especially if you have just spent a long time processing stories to see them just trolled to death
[15:12:27] <cmn32480> i bet
[15:12:39] <cmn32480> but at least now we can spread it around a bit
[15:12:52] <janrinok> I've already put 2 up for tomorrow, and Azrael has done another.
[15:13:48] <janrinok> If you can, and it is not easy, try not to run consecutive Phoenix666 stories. Try to insert at least one from another submitter in between if possible
[15:14:30] <janrinok> but phoenix666 is doing very well at finding stories currently, it is hard to ignore what he is submitting
[15:14:49] <janrinok> brb 5 (be right back in 5 minutes)
[15:15:09] <cmn32480> i got bombarded by my kids
[15:15:26] <cmn32480> Phoenix has submitted like 4 to 1 for everybody else lately
[15:19:22] <cmn32480> i thinkhe was hanging out in here last weekend when the queue was down to like 2 stories, and a few of us threw in a bunch of subs to get us to Monday
[15:20:42] <janrinok> back now
[15:21:58] <janrinok> this time last year we would have about 30 - 40 stories in the sub queue and we could pick the best from amongst them.
[15:22:24] <cmn32480> this time last year the site was still new and everybody was clamoring to be part of it
[15:22:32] <janrinok> More recently we have been down to 3 or 4 quite often, and down to 0 on more than 1 ocassion
[15:22:51] <cmn32480> yup
[15:23:05] <cmn32480> I watch the nag line on the front page
[15:23:06] <janrinok> occasion* - fingers not connected to brain
[15:23:27] <cmn32480> i read what you meant. Not what you typed :-)
[15:23:42] <janrinok> it has been looking more healthy the last few weeks. thx ;)
[15:24:40] <cmn32480> seems like there are a few people who submit a lot, and then ther are people like me who submit occassionally, or when we see the queue getting low
[15:25:33] <janrinok> Another thing that we do when we get a few minutes, is scan through the comments on the last half dozen stories or so, looking for typos that the community have found. Edit the original, make a comment about the edit and time if the edit changes the substance of the story, and then thank the commenter for his/her help
[15:25:52] <cmn32480> ok
[15:25:59] <cmn32480> I will keep an eye on that as well
[15:26:39] <janrinok> It is not time critical, but it helps prevent numerous people complaining about the same thing. Very often they will pop up on here and tell us too, particularly on #soylent
[15:27:05] <cmn32480> the snr on #soylent is pretty low
[15:27:13] <cmn32480> lotsa noise
[15:27:33] <janrinok> yes, but it is the first place they come to, so that is where they leave their comment
[15:28:28] <cmn32480> right
[15:29:19] <janrinok> I had a comment this morning on a story, so I changed its title and reworded one phrase, everybody is now happy
[15:29:38] <cmn32480> that came from IRC or in the comments?
[15:29:44] <janrinok> the comments
[15:30:38] <cmn32480> ok
[15:30:55] <cmn32480> I'll try to keep an eye on that
[15:31:22] <janrinok> it was from gewg_ who, despite his political slant, is a prolific submitter and often digs up stories that others have missed
[15:32:02] <cmn32480> agreed seems to be a very smart individual
[15:32:30] <janrinok> I've been impressed with the number of specialists and experts that we have among us
[15:33:11] <cmn32480> yes, there do seem to be some people here with a specialized knowledge, and when they speak on their topic they absolutely know their stuff
[15:33:20] <janrinok> By the way, has anyone explained the 2 hash numbers that appear on comments for staff eyes only?
[15:33:51] <cmn32480> no
[15:34:17] <janrinok> back to our PM
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[17:03:11] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I love the tagline "I can see for metres and metres"
[17:03:18] * mrcoolbp is a big The Who fan
[17:09:21] <CoolHand> well, it's not as far as miles and miles
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[17:17:20] <cmn32480> hey coolhand
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[17:35:42] <mrcoolbp> Off to work with me. Try not to burn the site down over the weekend guys.
[17:38:07] <cmn32480> we will. don't worry. smoking pile of ashes when you return
[17:40:45] <mrcoolbp> sigh
[17:40:49] <mrcoolbp> later
[17:40:50] <mrcoolbp> = )
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[18:06:35] <janrinok> Oh goody! I've just opened my emails and I can have 'fuller breasts' and a super-dooper keyboard!
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[20:12:12] <cmn32480> If anybody is around, I just did some major editing on the autism story that has been in the queue a few days. It is in the story queue for 10am tomorrow but is not set to display.
[20:21:08] <NotSanguine_out> Hey cm32480
[20:21:12] <NotSanguine_out> cmn
[20:21:15] <NotSanguine_out> sorry
[20:21:29] <NotSanguine_out> having typing issues today.
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[20:21:51] <NotSanguine> Have you checked out these links?
[20:21:54] <NotSanguine> http://www.nature.com
[20:21:54] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Bacterium can reverse autism-like behaviour in mice : Nature News & Comment
[20:22:08] <NotSanguine> http://www.biomedcentral.com
[20:22:11] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03BMC Gastroenterology | Full text | Gastrointestinal flora and gastrointestinal status in children with autism -- comparisons to neurotypical children and correlation with autism severity
[20:22:31] <NotSanguine> http://jmm.sgmjournals.org
[20:22:33] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Differences between the gut microflora of children with autistic spectrum disorders and that of healthy children
[20:22:45] <NotSanguine> http://europepmc.org
[20:22:46] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Innate immunity associated with inflammatory responses and cytokine production against common... - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central
[20:22:56] <cmn32480> Hey Not_Sanguine
[20:23:04] <cmn32480> I feel all clean now
[20:23:07] <NotSanguine> http://www.nature.com
[20:23:09] <NotSanguine> hey
[20:23:09] <cmn32480> took a shower.
[20:23:12] <cmn32480> alone
[20:23:20] <NotSanguine> without me? I think I may cry
[20:23:25] <NotSanguine> :)
[20:23:35] <cmn32480> that woudl be what I meant by "ALONE"
[20:24:06] <cmn32480> there is a surprising amount of studies on this that are already out there.
[20:24:24] <cmn32480> I found one that I linked to that looked to be writtne in almost English from Arizona State
[20:24:52] <NotSanguine> How do you know I'm not a 23 year old hot brunette MIT grad student with a penchant for older guys?
[20:25:15] <NotSanguine> The Scientific American article?
[20:25:40] <cmn32480> YOu said somethign yesterday about a midlife crisis and the only way you woudl know for sure is if you lived to be 90. 23 years old is totally out
[20:26:16] <cmn32480> and to quote Al Bundy, "I'm married.... with children."
[20:26:56] <NotSanguine> Well, I'm not a 23 year old hot grad student. I'm a 48 year-old make technologist who likes to bust chops.
[20:27:00] <cmn32480> no. linked direct to the abstract from the paper
[20:27:23] <cmn32480> around here... BIG SURPRISE
[20:27:30] <NotSanguine> Healthline.com is *not* a reliable source
[20:27:57] <NotSanguine> You're going to see a bunch of complaints about that.
[20:28:01] <cmn32480> it is the original link, but you are correct, I should put in somethign from a place that is a bit more well known.
[20:28:36] <NotSanguine> try this one
[20:28:38] <NotSanguine> http://www.scientificamerican.com
[20:28:39] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Gut Bacteria May Play a Role in Autism - Scientific American
[20:28:58] <NotSanguine> It refernces the ASU paper
[20:29:50] <cmn32480> surprisingly, so did the healthline article.
[20:30:12] <NotSanguine> But Scientific American isn't a pseudo-science blog
[20:30:19] <cmn32480> agreed
[20:30:23] <cmn32480> updating now
[20:33:33] <cmn32480> take a ppek now, please
[20:34:10] <cmn32480> and if it makes you feel any better, I'm 35, bald, married, 3 kids, and a ball buster as well
[20:34:40] <cmn32480> and my 4 year old is sitting in my lap
[20:36:27] <cmn32480> grrrrr
[20:36:31] <cmn32480> somethign didn't take...
[20:36:35] <cmn32480> let me try that again
[20:37:03] <cmn32480> that's better
[20:37:21] <NotSanguine> Looks better. Why not include the healthline link too. and maybe a link to the Italian paper on PLOS1?
[20:38:50] <NotSanguine> I went and took a closer look at healthline. At first I thoght it was an amateurish medical blogger site, but it appears that it's a bit better than that. Not as persuasive as SciAm though.
[20:39:40] <cmn32480> Let me see if I can work that in. Probably "after the break"
[20:39:59] <NotSanguine> I'm not bald. In fact, I made sure to grow my hair extra long for my 25 year HS reunion as an -- "in your face, bald guys!"
[20:40:22] <NotSanguine> So. In your face, bald guy!
[20:40:29] <cmn32480> I've been balding since I was about 21. Started falling out right about when I met my wife.
[20:40:55] <cmn32480> it got progressively worse with each passing child
[20:41:07] <cmn32480> now I shave it to avoid the hassle
[20:41:17] <NotSanguine> My three step-brothers are all bald. As one of my sisters in-law put it: "It's not a bald spot, it's a solar panel for a sex machine."
[20:41:54] <NotSanguine> YOu might want to get a T-shirt with that. Or would your wife disapprove?
[20:43:02] <cmn32480> My wife would shake her head and refuse to let me leave the house while wearing it
[20:43:12] <cmn32480> she also want me to get rid of my gut
[20:43:28] <NotSanguine> Because she disagrees, or because she doesn't want to encourage other women?
[20:43:29] <cmn32480> I told her "Honey, when you have a great tool, you put a shed over it"
[20:44:01] <cmn32480> she has a very different sense of humor the you and I
[20:44:07] <NotSanguine> Cute.
[20:45:19] <NotSanguine> When my nephews and nieces were much younger, I used to have sneak up on their uncles and rub their heads.
[20:45:37] <NotSanguine> That was way fun
[20:45:37] <cmn32480> hehehe
[20:46:03] <NotSanguine> Perhaps someone should suggest that to your nephews and nieces, eh?
[20:46:33] <NotSanguine> Anyway, I need to go and prepare for company. check you later cmn32480
[20:46:45] <cmn32480> take it easy. Thatnks for the insight.
[20:46:56] NotSanguine is now known as NotSanguine_out
[21:00:05] <paulej72> anyone home?
[21:05:14] <cmn32480> no
[21:05:54] <cmn32480> paulej72 what if I'm out? Does that count as being home?
[21:06:13] <paulej72> no, yes, maybe
[21:06:21] <paulej72> how goes the edititing
[21:06:29] <cmn32480> there is a learning curve.
[21:06:52] <cmn32480> NotSanguine and I jsut had a rather lengthy conversation on an autism article that I was editing
[21:07:52] <paulej72> I will in the near future need to set you up with ssh access to the staff server so you can set your kerberos password. That is needed to access the staff slash server.
[21:08:13] <cmn32480> ok
[21:09:00] <paulej72> I am working on the irc server move so I really don't want to get ldap and kerberos setup atm
[21:09:08] <cmn32480> no worries.
[21:09:25] <cmn32480> I can do what I need to editing at this point, so when you get to it
[21:09:35] <paulej72> we have not used the staff slash server much lateley so you are not missing much
[21:09:49] <cmn32480> what's it generally used for?
[21:10:10] <paulej72> theoretical dissucuion about the state of the universer
[21:10:18] <cmn32480> got it
[21:10:31] <cmn32480> stuff that is way over my head
[21:10:43] <paulej72> no really mostly a permanent record of disscussions we need like incorporation docs and such
[21:11:23] <paulej72> probably more things happen over irc than anything else
[21:11:50] <cmn32480> ok. no rush in getting me access to it. I'm still learnign quite a bit in this littel corner of the world
[21:12:37] <paulej72> sure sure
[21:13:13] <cmn32480> the IRC server move is part of the consolidation for cost control?
[21:15:45] <paulej72> yep
[21:16:28] <cmn32480> if there si anythgin that I can do to help, please let me know
[21:16:31] <paulej72> I got the ircs stuff moved, but i have to setup the web proxies for some of the tools now
[21:18:02] <paulej72> my biggest issue is going to be shutting down things here and moving just the current logs and dbs for irc to the new digs. want ot keep the latest data when we move.
[21:18:39] <paulej72> lots of dirctories and files that need to be copied individually.
[21:19:48] <cmn32480> set a quiet period before the move 2 or 4 hours (?) so that the move can be accomplished with no changes to the data
[21:33:07] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|afk