#editorial | Logs for 2015-02-26
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[01:21:58] * mrcoolbp is going to edit some stories, queue = dry
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[13:59:59] <janrinok> I'm here
[14:00:02] <Subsentient> Indeed.
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[14:00:49] <janrinok> have you done any training so far?
[14:01:10] <Subsentient> janrinok: Yes, but it's been several months so we'd probably better start over. I remember how to post stories but not much else
[14:01:30] <janrinok> well that's all the job is really ;)
[14:01:49] <janrinok> have you followed a story from submission to front page?
[14:02:12] <Subsentient> janrinok: By follow, you mean observe or post? I've posted to Dev.SN but not the main site
[14:03:03] <janrinok> yeah post a sub, edit it and move it to the story list, stop its publication and restart it, and edit a story already on the front page?
[14:05:05] <janrinok> that was a question - not an instruction, by the way
[14:06:32] <janrinok> Subsentient: you still here?
[14:06:45] <Subsentient> janrinok: Yes, but you must highlight me
[14:07:25] <janrinok> ah OK
[14:07:29] <Subsentient> janrinok: No, I haven't done all that. If I recall, I messed up the submission
[14:07:39] <Subsentient> I got it in
[14:07:40] <janrinok> lol - you are in good company
[14:07:48] <Subsentient> but I didn't get the signoff
[14:08:27] <janrinok> Subsentient: OK, create a submission of about 1 para long. cut and paste something. submit it and let me know when you have pse
[14:08:46] <Subsentient> janrinok: pse?
[14:08:51] <janrinok> please
[14:10:11] <Subsentient> ahh
[14:17:46] <janrinok> Subsentient: how's it going?
[14:21:06] <Subsentient> janrinok: lol, I got distracted with my server's shell, sorry...
[14:21:13] <Subsentient> Submitting.
[14:22:58] <janrinok> Subsentient: Yes, I can see it so with start with yours, and you might notice that I have put one in the sub list too
[14:23:17] <janrinok> we'll start with yours*
[14:24:00] <Subsentient> janrinok: Were the controls for passing on stories updated? It doesn't look right
[14:24:12] <janrinok> Subsentient: We _can_ both work on the same submission but you will see one or two warnings on the display - I'll point them out when we get to them
[14:25:03] <janrinok> Subsentient: are you in the editor already?
[14:25:10] <Subsentient> janrinok: How much has slashcode changed? O.o
[14:25:45] <janrinok> on this system - not at all
[14:25:59] <Subsentient> janrinok: Ahh, found the right place again
[14:26:06] <janrinok> where are you now?
[14:26:11] <Subsentient> janrinok: Got a link to the docs I was given on the wiki way back when?
[14:26:46] <janrinok> sure - http://wiki.soylentnews.org and http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:26:46] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03Wiki: Editing Process
[14:26:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Story Style
[14:27:16] <janrinok> Subsentient: just go to the submissions list, which should show your story almost at the bottom of the list
[14:28:12] <Subsentient> janrinok: I need to re-read this wiki stuff, my brain is scrambled eggs with parsley.
[14:28:31] <janrinok> Subsentient: if you click on your story it should bring it up on the Submission Preview page.
[14:28:52] <Subsentient> janrinok: I set the "Quik" thing on it before I realized what I did
[14:28:53] <janrinok> no, don't worry, we'll go slowly
[14:29:10] <janrinok> has it disappeared?
[14:29:15] <Subsentient> Yes.
[14:29:38] <janrinok> OK open the story that I prepared called Subsentient traing 1
[14:29:50] <Subsentient> done.
[14:30:35] <janrinok> OK, this is the submission preview page. In the ideal world every story we received would be suitable for release - but they are not
[14:31:11] <Subsentient> janrinok: Yes, I recall the editing part. I just remember that I posted a story on the front page by accident...
[14:31:19] <janrinok> the first thing to do is look at the title and the content. Is it SPAM? is it an attempt to insert a slashvertisement, is it even interesting?
[14:31:58] <janrinok> Subsentient: for these purposes, imagine that the story I prepared _is_ interesting....
[14:32:07] <Subsentient> k
[14:32:22] <janrinok> but there is no link
[14:32:45] <Subsentient> Indeed. I actually wondered if slashcode allowed that.
[14:32:47] <janrinok> in the real world - that almost guarantees that it is a none-story but for today we will just accept it
[14:33:10] <Subsentient> k
[14:33:31] <janrinok> we've also got to remember that there might be legal considerations or something else that would prevent us from using it
[14:33:43] <janrinok> but again, for today, imagine that they do not apply
[14:34:11] <janrinok> you can read the documentation in your own time regarding this matters - and it doesn't say very much
[14:34:25] <Subsentient> Ahh
[14:34:34] <janrinok> so we will assume that the story is acceptable
[14:34:51] <Subsentient> kk
[14:35:39] <janrinok> but lets make a small change just for editing purposes. Add another line with your name or something to the article and then hit the preview button
[14:37:53] <janrinok> Subsentient: how's that going?
[14:37:57] <Subsentient> janrinok: k, done. Hitting save updates it, not posts it as a story correct? I ask because I think I made a mistake like that in my first attempt
[14:38:27] <janrinok> yes, preview doesn't send it to the front page, it just refreshes your display
[14:39:02] <Subsentient> janrinok: No, I meant the save button
[14:39:37] <janrinok> don't hit the save button - but there wasn't one on the page that you should have been on before, although there is now
[14:40:11] <Subsentient> janrinok: I know
[14:40:17] <Subsentient> yeh I'm in the advanced editor yes?
[14:40:24] <janrinok> yes
[14:40:59] <janrinok> the first page should have been the Submission Preview page, this is now the Story Preview page - a different editor
[14:41:22] <Subsentient> Yeh
[14:41:29] <janrinok> we will start at the top of the page
[14:42:08] <janrinok> You should be able to see the story and links to 'similar' stories
[14:42:36] <Subsentient> janrinok: yes
[14:42:42] <janrinok> this is a very basic check and just works using a few keywords. It can be helpful but more often than not it is useless
[14:43:23] <janrinok> But check through the titles and you will see nothing that covers Subsentient Training so we are OK
[14:44:19] <janrinok> There is then an empty text box - ignore it. Under that there is a line with 2 buttons, 'unsigned', and a check box. see it?
[14:45:34] <janrinok> Subsentient: ^
[14:45:43] <Subsentient> janrinok: yes
[14:46:18] <janrinok> k, the save and preview buttons do as they say. The save button is _only_ pressed when you have finished editing.
[14:46:42] <janrinok> the Preview button refreshes your page so that you can see the effect of your changes so far.
[14:46:56] <janrinok> but the Display check box is very important.
[14:47:45] <Subsentient> janrinok: Is that the thing that sends it on to get pasted on the front page
[14:47:48] <janrinok> If this checkbox is NOT ticked, the story cannot be released to the public. It can sit in the story queue - which we haven't got to yet - but it will never show on the front page
[14:48:23] <janrinok> yes - exactly
[14:49:21] <janrinok> it has a second function - if a story has been released to the front page and we have to withdraw it, before or after publication, unticking this box and 'updating' will retract the story from the front page again
[14:49:40] <janrinok> does that make sense?
[14:50:17] <janrinok> It is the only way to stop a story once it has passed this editing stage
[14:51:19] <janrinok> are you happy with that or shall I explain it differently?
[14:52:03] <janrinok> Subsentient: ^
[14:52:37] <Subsentient> janrinok: reading your replies
[14:54:05] <Subsentient> janrinok: I think I get it. So, to be clear...
[14:54:36] <Subsentient> if it's not checked display, then I can just go back to it in the queue and do that later, or is it like a rejection>?
[14:56:10] <janrinok> it does not delete it, and the person who submitted it still gets the credit because it appears to have been accepted. But it will never be seen by the public.
[14:57:08] <Subsentient> janrinok: Ahh. So, there is no way to edit and then post it later.
[14:57:09] <janrinok> Subsentient: don't worry about it for the time being, because we will use it a few times during training and its purpose will become quite clear.
[14:57:47] <janrinok> the 'later' bit we will come to in a few minutes further down the page
[14:58:25] <Subsentient> janrinok: k
[14:58:52] <janrinok> OK, we will take a 5 min break - I have a real world issue to take care of - my invalid wife!
[14:59:02] <Subsentient> kk
[14:59:08] <janrinok> brb 5
[15:05:36] <janrinok> Subsentient: OK, I'm back
[15:05:52] <Subsentient> janrinok: k
[15:06:11] <janrinok> we'll move on down the page a little more
[15:06:32] <janrinok> the next controls that we come to are the Topics
[15:07:16] <janrinok> every story must have a 'nexus' and a one or more 'topics'. Currently, the only nexus we have is the front page but that might change in the next few weeks.
[15:08:26] <janrinok> Topics are used to identify which icon or icons are displayed on the front page with the story, such as OS, Ask Soylent, Business and Training, Science etc
[15:09:08] <janrinok> The editor that you are now working in will not let you release a story that hasn't got a nexus and at least 1 topic.
[15:09:57] <Subsentient> janrinok: k, but also, remember, highlight. I don't get annoyed with excessive highlights ^^
[15:10:26] <janrinok> to add another topic to the list, you have to click on the '+' symbol on the right hand side of the topics selection box.
[15:10:44] <janrinok> testing highlight
[15:11:00] <janrinok> OK I will try to highlight more - I've never used that before!
[15:11:58] <janrinok> Subsentient: 'k' when you are happy to continue
[15:12:37] <Subsentient> janrinok: nono, that's not what I meant
[15:12:44] <Subsentient> highlighting means typing my nick
[15:12:46] <Subsentient> like Subsentient
[15:12:52] <janrinok> ah, ok
[15:12:56] <Subsentient> janrinok: I just highlighted you in this line
[15:12:59] <Subsentient> This line I did not
[15:13:03] <Subsentient> and you were not beeped
[15:13:18] <janrinok> yes - which IRC client do you use?
[15:13:41] <Subsentient> janrinok: XChat.
[15:13:50] <janrinok> Subsentient: I don't get beeped at all
[15:14:01] <Subsentient> janrinok: Do you get a balloon notification?
[15:14:06] <janrinok> nope
[15:14:20] <janrinok> I'm just looking at my display
[15:14:28] <Subsentient> janrinok: How horrible.
[15:14:38] <janrinok> Subsentient: I'm very happy with it :)
[15:14:44] <Subsentient> janrinok: Which do you use?
[15:15:06] <janrinok> Subsentient: irssi - and I've switch all that stuff off
[15:15:34] <janrinok> Subsentient: I've got 3 displays here - if they were all beeping I would go mad!
[15:16:12] <Subsentient> janrinok: hehehe
[15:16:19] <janrinok> Subsentient: try adding another topic to the existing one
[15:17:23] <Subsentient> Yeah Xchat doesn't even build properly without me turning the _ translation function into a shim/
[15:17:28] <Subsentient> XChat is old.
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[15:17:52] <janrinok> Subsentient: you could have been speaking a foreign language then
[15:18:04] <janrinok> Hi nick - just doing a spot of training with Subsentient
[15:18:12] <nick> fun times!
[15:18:17] <janrinok> as always
[15:18:19] <Subsentient> $beer nick
[15:18:19] * aqu4 gives nick a cold can of beer
[15:18:33] <nick> woooo!
[15:18:40] <nick> the day is looking up
[15:18:43] <nick> thanks Subsentient :D
[15:18:47] <janrinok> nick - I didn't get a bloody beer and I'm doing all the work!
[15:18:55] <Subsentient> $beer janrinok
[15:18:55] * aqu4 gives janrinok a cold can of beer
[15:18:57] <janrinok> got a cup of tea though :)
[15:19:17] <janrinok> Subsentient: hows that adding a new topic going?
[15:20:36] <Subsentient> janrinok: Works. Now I don't recall, if I click save, that's pretty much just posting it huh?
[15:20:49] <janrinok> yes - BUT DON'T PRESS IT YET
[15:21:18] * nick takes cover
[15:21:45] <janrinok> Subsentient: I can still only see the /dev/random topic in the list, which topic did you choose?
[15:21:46] * Subsentient turns off the nuclear keys, hears turbines winding down
[15:22:09] * janrinok just standing everyone back down to defcon 2
[15:22:39] <Subsentient> janrinok: I clicked it, but don't I need to press something to save changes?
[15:23:34] <janrinok> Subsentient: once you have pushed the add button, you just press 'close'
[15:23:52] <Subsentient> janrinok: Already done.
[15:24:37] <janrinok> Subsentient: my display is still only showing /dev/random - which did you addd?
[15:24:57] <Subsentient> janrinok: Answers, business, and digital liberty
[15:25:44] <janrinok> Subsentient: and are they all showing in your Topics list now?
[15:25:49] <Subsentient> Yup
[15:26:07] <janrinok> curious - not in mine even with a clear cache and refresh
[15:26:37] <janrinok> Subsentient: never mind we will continue as though nothing untoward has happened....
[15:27:14] <Subsentient> janrinok: http://imagebin.ca
[15:27:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Imagebin - Somewhere to Store Random Things
[15:27:47] <janrinok> Subsentient: The 'Title' and 'Dept' are next. The Title should be in titlecase - so you can edit that please
[15:28:10] <janrinok> Subsentient: thanks for the image - I didn't doubt you but we might have found a bug...
[15:28:36] <Subsentient> janrinok: Updated.
[15:29:24] <janrinok> Subsentient: OK -it seems like the system caches 2 different copies of the submission because 2 of us are working on the some sub at the same time.
[15:30:41] <janrinok> Subsentient: the next line should show you as the editor and then there is a warning that the submission is x% matching with Subsentient Training 1 by janrinok
[15:31:20] <Subsentient> janrinok: ahh
[15:31:24] <Subsentient> yeh it does
[15:31:38] <janrinok> Subsentient: this indicates that 2 editors are working on the same submission and it shouldn't happen often in practice. If it does, you need to resolve between yourselves who is doing what.
[15:32:34] <janrinok> Subsentient: If you don't notice this you can do a lot of editing to find that what is actually saved was produced by the other editor and all your work is lost
[15:33:20] <janrinok> Subsentient: give me a 'k' when you are happy to continue
[15:33:29] <Subsentient> janrinok: lol k
[15:33:33] <Subsentient> k
[15:33:41] <janrinok> k
[15:33:59] <janrinok> the next line shows that comment are enabled - the almost always are
[15:34:50] <janrinok> Subsentient: and then there is a field for you to put the date and time that the story will hit the front page. But to know the next time of release you have to be looking at the story page....
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[15:36:57] <janrinok> Subsentient: I find the easiest way to work is to have 3 tabs open. The front page (so that I can see what is happening on the site), the story page (so that I can track when the next story is due out etc) and the submissions page (so that I can watch if another story with the same topic arrives and I can include it in the current one.)
[15:38:10] <Subsentient> janrinok: ahh, k
[15:38:34] <janrinok> Subsentient: thanks. we now finally get to editing the story again!
[15:39:31] <janrinok> Subsentient: if you scroll down the page so that the 'Intro Copy' is level with the top of your display you should be able to see the fields immediately below it as well, which are connected
[15:41:31] <janrinok> Subsentient: Sometimes a story can be quite long - too long for a summary which should be just enough to whet people's appetite but doesn't contain all the nitty gritty. If the story is short then OK, it just goes into the Intro Copy, but if it is too long we split it and put everything that shouldn't be in the summary into the Extended Copy field. Is that OK?
[15:41:46] <Subsentient> janrinok: Makes sense
[15:42:13] <janrinok> Subsentient: there is one problem with this - HTML does _not_ read across from one block to the next
[15:42:28] <Subsentient> janrinok: Define 'read across'
[15:43:27] <janrinok> Subsentient: ... so you have to treat both of them as separate boxes as far as displaying the story is concerned. This is why you sometimes see 'More after the 'break'' being typed - it is where a story has been split into 2 parts
[15:44:25] <janrinok> Subsentient: to answer your question. You cannot have a <p> in the top box and the corresponding </p> in the bottom box. It just doesn't work.
[15:44:42] <Subsentient> janrinok: Ahh. ok.
[15:45:00] <janrinok> Subsentient: they both have to be independant and complete HTML for formatting purposes.
[15:45:59] <janrinok> Subsentient: It looks OK in the editor until you press preview and then you discover that the display at the top of the page is rubbish
[15:47:25] <janrinok> Subsentient: it is also possible to upload media or images to accompany a story but _we_ do not do this. The community doesn't like the waste of bandwidth and it becomes a bit like Reddit etc which is not something we desire to emulate.
[15:47:46] <Subsentient> janrinok: yeah, I figured
[15:47:50] <janrinok> lol
[15:48:15] <janrinok> Subsentient: Press preview again and check that your story looks good to go.
[15:48:51] <Subsentient> janrinok: Seems good.
[15:49:53] <janrinok> Now the last thing that we do is - check the story list to make sure that no-one else has added a story for the time that you have chosen and, if they have, change your time of release to something like 90 minutes after the last story
[15:50:48] <janrinok> Subsentient: the last story was over a week ago so any time should be ok for this example
[15:51:10] <janrinok> NOW you can press 'send' :)
[15:53:28] <janrinok> Subsentient: how's that going?
[15:53:41] <Subsentient> janrinok: you mean 'save'
[15:53:45] <janrinok> yep
[15:54:14] <janrinok> Subsentient: sorry save not send
[15:54:17] <Subsentient> janrinok: And I am literally watching simpsons in between your messages, so you must highlight me to get my attention
[15:54:51] <Subsentient> janrinok: Refresh the main page.
[15:54:59] <Subsentient> janrinok: And how do I 'sign off' on a story?
[15:55:11] <janrinok> Subsentient: OK now we will switch to the stories page
[15:55:49] <janrinok> Subsentient: Your story is at the top of the list and if you open it in a new tab or new window, we can look at it
[15:56:52] <janrinok> Subsentient: in the top RHS there is a box marked 'Signoffs' and it should show your name and the time it was saved.
[15:57:03] <Subsentient> janrinok: rhs?
[15:57:09] <janrinok> right hand side
[15:57:41] <janrinok> Subsentient: ^
[15:58:18] <janrinok> Subsentient: can you see it?
[15:58:44] <Subsentient> janrinok: No. :^(
[15:59:13] <janrinok> Subsentient: have you opened the story by clicking on it on the story page?
[15:59:32] <Subsentient> janrinok: yes
[15:59:50] <Subsentient> wait, I see it, but there's no editing stuff
[16:00:04] <janrinok> Subsentient: to the right of the story itself is a box marked Story Info and inside that a bit marked Signoffs
[16:00:46] <janrinok> Subsentient: no you are not in an editor now - you are just seeing what the story looks like when released
[16:01:55] <janrinok> Subsentient: are you happy with what you can see?
[16:02:43] <Subsentient> janrinok: I just want to see how to sign off on other's stories
[16:02:58] <janrinok> Subsentient: slowly grasshopper
[16:03:06] <Subsentient> kk
[16:03:58] <janrinok> Subsentient: if you need to return to an editor - because we all see things that we should have seen earlier but didn't - then you can look inside the story box and the is an Edit link at the bottom of the story.
[16:04:51] <janrinok> Subsentient: can you see that?
[16:05:30] <Subsentient> janrinok: yes
[16:06:30] <janrinok> Subsentient: OK, now if you return to the stories list you will see that your story is highlighted in Yellow. That means it is one of _your_ stories but it has not been signed off by a second editor.
[16:07:05] <Subsentient> I see it
[16:07:10] <janrinok> Other people's stories should be either in Red or Grey. Red means it is not your story but it has still only been seen by one editor
[16:07:50] <janrinok> Subsentient: Grey means that the story has had the Display check box unticked - and that story will not be shown on the front page
[16:08:45] <janrinok> Subsentient: If you return to the stories list and click on a Red story link to open it in a new tab and 'k' when you are happy to continue.
[16:09:02] <Subsentient> k
[16:09:27] <Subsentient> janrinok: k
[16:09:41] <janrinok> Subsentient: If you now select Edit you can become the second editor on that story
[16:10:26] <Subsentient> janrinok: in
[16:10:31] <janrinok> Subsentient: It opens the standard story editor and you can do anything that the original editor can do
[16:11:06] <janrinok> Subsentient: `but all you have to do for the time being is press save
[16:11:53] <janrinok> Subsentient: that should return you to a story list page but the story you have just updated should now be in green. Has that happened?
[16:12:00] <Subsentient> janrinok: yes!
[16:12:45] <janrinok> if you now click on the green story link into a new tab, and look and the Story Info it should show you as the second editor.
[16:13:43] <janrinok> Subsentient: success?
[16:14:00] <Subsentient> janrinok: Yes
[16:14:22] <janrinok> Subsentient: and that is how you second ed a story...
[16:15:15] <janrinok> Subsentient: How can you prevent the story that you have just edited from being released? Do what you think is necessary and let me know when you have finished.
[16:16:03] <Subsentient> janrinok: Uncheck the display box and update, yes?
[16:16:17] <janrinok> Subsentient: yes go ahead
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[16:18:28] <Subsentient> janrinok: done
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[16:18:57] <janrinok> Subsentient: so what colour is that story in the story list?
[16:19:04] <Subsentient> gray
[16:19:14] <janrinok> Subsentient: success!
[16:19:40] <janrinok> Subsentient: what colour is the story titled Subsentient Traing 1, and why?
[16:20:21] <janrinok> *Training
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[16:22:04] <janrinok> Subsentient: any guesses^ ?
[16:22:39] <Subsentient> janrinok: Why is it gray?
[16:22:46] <Subsentient> Because it's been disabled from display
[16:23:06] <janrinok> Subsentient: no - look at the story that you produced from scratch. What colour is it and why?
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[16:24:01] <Subsentient> janrinok: oh the subsentient training 1? Green because it's been signed off on
[16:24:15] <janrinok> Subsentient: yes - exactly
[16:25:25] <janrinok> Subsentient: That's enough for now I think. What you now need to do - after a break if you wish - is go through all that again on your own. Submit a story, edit it, and then play with it in the story queue
[16:25:41] <Subsentient> janrinok: Will do.
[16:25:43] <Subsentient> thanks
[16:26:59] <janrinok> Subsentient: we can do some more later on if you wish, or tomorrow or whenever. Let me know what suits you - but you have done most if it now, it is just a few fine points and things that you need to be aware of.
[16:28:41] <janrinok> Subsentient: By the way - welcome to the team.
[16:30:22] <Subsentient> janrinok: thx
[16:30:36] <nick> so does this mean now anything that goes wrong on our side, we can blame Subsentient?
[16:30:44] <janrinok> Subsentient: no problem you're welcome
[16:30:48] <Subsentient> janrinok: Yeah I have a massive to-do list I've been ignoring, at least -1 from that list :^D
[16:31:08] <janrinok> nick: I've been blaming him for days already
[16:31:17] <nick> ah, the system works!
[16:31:39] <janrinok> It's his job to find someone else so that the blame can be shifted again....
[16:33:33] <nick> no doubt it will come full circle and end up as bytram's fault
[16:33:45] <janrinok> some things never change....
[16:34:00] <nick> working as dev and editor, he asked for it.
[16:34:06] <janrinok> true
[16:34:27] <janrinok> I've got to go soon nick, but how's things with you?
[16:34:36] <nick> as much as i like blaming you, you're much better at defending yourself ;)
[16:35:00] <janrinok> practice makes perfect
[16:35:10] <nick> things are good, busy with work and stuff
[16:35:21] <janrinok> the cable pulling went well?
[16:35:31] <nick> hopefully it will all pay off next week
[16:35:55] <nick> yeah, no problems there - everything went to plan(sort of) the other day
[16:36:31] <janrinok> Just 2nd ed'ed your IVF story - the first baby could be born in 2016! Amazing.
[16:37:28] <nick> i was more interested in the US angle to the story, wonder what it would be like to be one of the few people in the late 90's that came into being through that means
[16:37:55] <nick> and then having the process subsequently banned, thinking what could/may not have been kind of thing.
[16:38:23] <janrinok> how soon before we see private clinics in harley street catering for that market?
[16:38:33] <nick> was surprising that the UK seems to be leading the way in this
[16:38:59] <janrinok> well we were 5 years behind but they sat on their hands - daft sods
[16:38:59] <nick> i'm sure they're already working on that right now
[16:39:39] <nick> who sat on their hands?
[16:43:50] <janrinok> the Americans. They carried out one op then it was banned - or did I misread the story?
[16:44:27] <nick> yeah
[16:44:47] <nick> i get what you mean now, brain isn't working fully today
[16:45:24] <janrinok> Yes, Alana Sarrinen was conceived that way but then the FDA banned it. _Now_ they are 5 years behind or least we are level.
[16:46:18] <janrinok> anyway - must go for now, cu l8r
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[16:49:02] <nick> take care
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