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[02:32:35] <Bytram|away> http://feedproxy.google.com
[02:32:37] <monopoly> ^ 03JPMorgan bank could be hackers' latest victim - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[02:33:41] <Bytram|away> http://online.wsj.com
[02:33:41] <monopoly> ^ 03Suspicious Activity Detected | Distil
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[12:54:12] <nick> hey Woods
[12:54:25] <Woods> Heya Nick.... n1?
[12:55:47] <nick> aye
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[12:56:11] <nick> how goes things?
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[12:57:15] <Bytram> that's a great nick you have there, nick!
[12:57:27] <nick> lol
[12:57:42] <nick> it's an easy nick to remember
[12:57:54] <nick> /nick nick
[12:57:56] <nick> never gets old
[12:58:13] <Bytram> lol
[12:58:26] * Bytram does get old[er], though. =)
[12:59:23] <nick> the bones might have started to creak, but i'm still pretty immature ;)
[13:00:04] <Bytram> ah! thanks for the laugh!
[13:00:14] * Bytram is too old to act his age
[13:01:09] <nick> i dont know if there's ever a time you should 'act your age'
[13:01:51] <Bytram> when I was young, 'act my age' seemed like behave about 2 years older than I was
[13:02:49] <nick> know that feeling, but growing up I was always expected to be more mature than my years.
[13:03:39] <nick> everything going well with you, Bytram?
[13:04:09] <Bytram> all-in-all, yep.
[13:04:36] * Bytram wishes he could take about a month off and *really* relax, but that's only in my dreams
[13:04:47] <Bytram> besides, I get bored pretty easy, too!
[13:06:02] <nick> i always enjoy time off, i'd rather be bored than the normal alternative
[13:06:19] <nick> got any vacation time lined up?
[13:07:52] <Bytram> used it already... spent most of it helping w/ SN
[13:26:23] <nick> Bytram, as mentioned yesterday, you have to make time to relax!
[13:27:25] <Bytram> LOL!
[13:27:33] <Bytram> goose and gander, eh?
[13:27:42] <nick> don't want to pull a muscle on my whipping arm for a burned out developer.
[13:28:25] <Bytram> yeah, I'd hate to see what develops, then. ;)
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[13:36:45] <nick> hey janrinok
[13:38:16] <janrinok> Hi n1
[13:38:42] <janrinok> why the change of nick? nick.
[13:38:50] <nick> this disguise isn't very good :p
[13:39:03] <janrinok> lol
[13:39:23] <nick> i got disconnected earlier and didn't bother to change it back after reconnecting
[13:39:32] <nick> how goes things, janrinok?
[13:39:35] <janrinok> are you well?
[13:40:22] <janrinok> paulej72: SPAM on the submissions page - I'll leave it there until you say you are happy for it to be deleted.
[13:41:01] <nick> I already notified TMB, think paulej72 is busy moving?
[13:41:20] <janrinok> ah OK, thanks for the update. Is he moving far?
[13:41:31] <nick> things are good here in general.
[13:41:38] <nick> Not a clue
[13:42:01] <nick> in other SN news, we've had our most obvious case of mod point abuse
[13:42:33] <janrinok> I've got my parents in law arriving in a few hours. They are in their 80s but are very helpful around the house so I'll be grateful for the assistance.
[13:42:54] <janrinok> tell me more about the mod point abuse...?
[13:43:09] <nick> assistance and company is usually a good deal :)
[13:43:15] <nick> <+nick> the user in question basically took the 10 most recent comments from the target
[13:43:15] <nick> <+nick> and downmodded all of them
[13:43:21] <nick> (in the space of 10 minutes)
[13:43:50] <janrinok> do we have the perp identified?
[13:43:56] <nick> it's fallout from the doxbox story
[13:43:57] <nick> yeah
[13:44:35] <janrinok> any decision on action to be taken?
[13:45:10] <nick> i think it's going to be discussed later but both Bytram and myself seem to agree that the user should lose the ability to moderate
[13:45:59] <janrinok> sounds like a good punishment - although not undoing what has happened. Are we acknowledging it all publically?
[13:46:36] <nick> it's been discussed in #Soylent, and i've used my modpoints to fix the comments that ended up being marked as trolls
[13:47:17] <janrinok> well, that's fairly public then, and of course the logs are always available.
[13:47:19] <nick> so a few karma points have been lost, but the comments are back where they should be
[13:49:35] <nick> i'm very disappointed that it happened in the context it did, modpoint abuse isn't unexpected but this is disappointing.
[13:50:50] <janrinok> yes I agree. And we have had a lot more AC trolling recently, but it is all bound to happen at sometime or other.
[13:52:33] <Bytram> some times, 'bad' things turn out to be for the best.
[13:52:48] <Bytram> kind of like guard rails on the road of moderation
[13:52:50] <Bytram> =)
[13:53:15] <nick> heh
[13:53:29] <janrinok> Seems like it has been well handled so it was a useful test of our procedures, and we'll have to see how the community respond.
[13:53:40] <janrinok> lol
[13:56:05] <nick> think its time for a cup of tea
[13:56:13] <janrinok> good idea - brb too#
[13:56:37] <Bytram> methinks a form letter along the lines "It has been detected that there was an abuse of the moderation system by this user..."
[13:57:51] <janrinok> hi Bytram - are you suggesting that the form letter be published on the site somewhere or just sent to specific individuals?
[13:58:10] <Bytram> jsut sent to 'em
[13:59:07] <Bytram> TBD what the protocol should be as for the consequences. Loss of mod points for a period of time. Reduction in abuser's Karma? I don't know.
[13:59:51] <janrinok> both seem reasonable suggestions. And a three strikes policy - followed by public shaming after 3 strikes?
[14:01:09] <Bytram> ala "The Scarlet Letter?" LOL
[14:01:14] <janrinok> brb - kettle is on
[14:01:16] <janrinok> LOL
[14:01:52] <Bytram> put a big red "A"busedModPoints next to their nick whenever they post... make it last a day or two or a week?
[14:14:00] <janrinok> just a red spot icon next to their name would suffice I guess
[14:15:28] <janrinok> ...with a tooltip to show the nature of their infraction. That could be used to indicate different types of behaviour if it becomes necessary (hopefully this will be a rare event.
[14:16:52] <Bytram> at this juncture, that would be overkill and I would not advocate it. the anti-mod-bombing they'd receive could start MADM (Mutually Assured Destructive Moderation)
[14:17:44] <janrinok> that would apply to any form of punishment - so what we have to accept if we follow that route is that there is _nothing_ we can do?
[14:18:31] <janrinok> this was being suggested following 3-strikes - this has only been the first by this individual. I don't expect any reoccurrence of the same - do you?
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[14:35:17] <janrinok> hi Blackmoore
[14:43:21] <Blackmoore> mornin
[14:43:34] <Blackmoore> I'm in an out of meeting this morning
[14:43:46] <janrinok> sry I was editing - a good meeting or a boring meeting?
[14:46:27] <Blackmoore> several meetings. I'm trying to find a new job at $company since i'm both over worked, and bored.
[14:46:49] <janrinok> I wish you well with your search!
[14:47:20] <Blackmoore> i'll need it. I think i have an opportunity but the seat wont open up for a couple of weeks.
[14:47:25] <Bytram> Blackmoore: hi! And let me add my best wishes, too!
[14:47:39] <janrinok> worth the wait though, I presume?
[14:47:56] <Blackmoore> if i get it - i sould have more time to pitch in here
[14:48:05] <Blackmoore> yeah
[14:48:11] <janrinok> Well I _really_ wish you well then!
[14:48:40] <janrinok> In fact, if I can put a good word in for you....?
[14:49:20] <Blackmoore> If i need refences; I'll ping.
[14:49:26] <janrinok> lol OK
[14:49:50] <Blackmoore> this is an internal move so i dont have to deal with a lot of new hre HR crap
[14:50:10] <Bytram> that's a definite ++
[14:50:12] <janrinok> well that is a positive straight away
[14:50:19] <janrinok> snap Bytram
[14:50:36] <Bytram> crackle! pop!
[14:50:39] <janrinok> lol
[14:50:46] * Bytram channels an old "Rice Crispies" cereal commercial
[14:50:47] <janrinok> you watch too much TV
[14:51:03] <Bytram> not any more, but can't bleach all the old memories.
[14:51:04] <janrinok> I recognised it - I have to confess :)
[14:57:51] <nick> whats worse is remembering the commercials more than the shows
[14:57:59] <janrinok> rofl
[14:58:07] <janrinok> ah, so true...
[14:59:06] <janrinok> I remember watching the Lone Ranger (B+W), William Tell (B+W), Ivanhoe (B+W) etc all about the 50's and 60s.
[14:59:30] <janrinok> ...On a rounded oval screen!
[15:00:21] <Bytram> I recall the lone ranger, but not the others.
[15:00:33] <janrinok> Bonanza, Hawkeye (and the last of the Mohicans), Hawkeye (MASH 4077th)
[15:00:41] <Bytram> B&W, but not round, early 1960's
[15:00:49] <Bytram> hoss++
[15:00:49] <Bender> karma - hoss: 1
[15:01:00] <janrinok> with the white dot in the middle of the screen when you turned it off?
[15:01:31] <nick> The world was in colour by the time I came around... Although my first television (donated to me as a child) was actually B&W.
[15:02:21] <janrinok> my parents rented their first TV in 1955, and I have photos of me (age 3!) watching it.
[15:02:28] <Bytram> janrinok: I forgot about that! Yes!!!!
[15:03:15] <janrinok> damn them CRTs were entertainment in themselves. The white dot, the high pitched whine of the line transformer, etc
[15:04:27] <Bytram> yup, and a magnet held near the screen did really wacky things... but don't hold it there too long (ahem, or so I *heard*) oops.
[15:04:57] <janrinok> lol - guilty as charge m'lud.
[15:05:40] <mrcoolbp> yeah that was fun
[15:05:44] <Bytram> *you* did it, too?
[15:06:02] <janrinok> damn - we must have got through quite a few CRTs between us.
[15:06:23] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp
[15:06:35] <Bytram> unfortunately, my mistake was on the folk's 25" color tube, but thankfully I made my 'boo-boo' in the lower right corner, so it was mostly hid from view
[15:06:54] <janrinok> I'll bet you were popular!
[15:07:02] <mrcoolbp> hi janrinok
[15:07:17] <janrinok> lots of good comments about the swag!
[15:07:28] <janrinok> I'm ordering some this w/e
[15:07:31] * Bytram needs to bua cash card and get to the store today.
[15:07:38] <Bytram> s/bua/buy a/
[15:08:59] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: let us know how the french site works out
[15:09:07] <nick> going to order my swag in a week or two
[15:09:35] <Bytram> janrinok: ^^ what mrcoolbp said.
[15:09:58] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: will do - but I might also order from the UK. I could split the order just to test both I suppose.
[15:10:28] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I heard the auto-translations of the descriptions are hilarious, enjoy
[15:11:08] <janrinok> yes, there are a few good mistooks on the French site, but it is understandable so shouldn't affect orders.
[15:11:26] <mrcoolbp> coo
[15:11:49] <janrinok> is that a pigeon impression or an abbreviated 'cool'?
[15:12:53] <Bytram> janrinok: and please reply to this: http://soylentnews.org
[15:12:54] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by martyb (76)
[15:13:09] <janrinok> on it
[15:13:46] <janrinok> OK - will do
[15:19:40] <janrinok> the bacon++ doesn't translate well - although it is technically correct: "lard++"
[15:20:05] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:20:24] <janrinok> I sent them an email yesterday, and they have reverted those back to english rather than accept my suggested translations.
[15:20:48] <Bytram> janrinok++ thanks!
[15:20:48] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 15
[15:22:47] <Bytram> janrinok: btw, re: your EM story... the linked article is really excellent!
[15:23:24] <janrinok> yeah - I enjoyed it too, that having been a speciality of mine for quite a few years
[15:23:48] <janrinok> I'm wondering how many people will have to look up the 'Old Crows' dept reference...
[15:24:17] * nick goes to look it up now
[15:25:44] <janrinok> I can save you a Google - Old Crows is the nickname given to electronic warfare specialist in the military, originally US but now more widespread. I was the EW Officer on the Vulcan bomber - as well as comms and engineer.
[15:25:50] <nick> well thats organization that time is only just catching up with
[15:27:08] <janrinok> we've been spoiling people's fun using EW for decades!
[15:27:14] <nick> http://www.crows.org
[15:27:16] <monopoly> ^ 03Electronic Warfare | Information Operations
[15:27:46] <nick> EW before it was cool
[15:28:19] <janrinok> jammin' before it became trendy in Jamaica!
[15:28:31] <Bytram> janrinok: The story, though accurate, seemed a little 'dry'; I reformatted a little to set off the original submitters text better, and added a summary paragraph of my own. Would you please review my changes?
[15:28:33] <nick> hahah
[15:28:40] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[15:28:40] <monopoly> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( http://soylentnews.org )
[15:28:47] <janrinok> Bytram: sure thing - thanks for the input.
[15:29:03] <Bytram> hth!
[15:30:20] <janrinok> looks good to me - thx
[15:31:58] <janrinok> Correction - narrowband and wideband are not the pulse widths - I'll correct it.
[15:32:13] <Bytram> janrinok: hold on
[15:32:27] <Bytram> they cover THREE things!
[15:32:45] <Bytram> 1.) Different frequencies/frequency-bands
[15:32:57] <Bytram> 2.) different durations of pulse at those frequencies
[15:32:59] <janrinok> it usually refers to the frequencies
[15:33:08] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: you sent zazzle an email about the .fr translation?
[15:33:13] <Bytram> ok; but you see the distinction?
[15:33:26] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: yes - did I do wrong?
[15:33:29] <Bytram> 3.) and then the amplitude
[15:33:38] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: no, that's cool, thx
[15:33:45] <Bytram> i.e. how powerful a pulse is sent out.
[15:34:48] <Bytram> e.g. every 20ms send out a 5ms long pulse of 8-10 GHz at 5kV
[15:34:52] <janrinok> Bytram: they are inter-related.
[15:34:59] <Bytram> units are probably worng. =)
[15:35:06] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:35:24] <Bytram> I'll leave it to you then; just wanted to make it clear what I was *try*ing to do.
[15:35:43] * Bytram will leave the details to those who actually know what they are doing. =)
[15:35:48] <janrinok> np - it is not 'incorrect' but it is not usually used in that way.
[15:36:17] <janrinok> can I edit it?
[15:36:44] <Bytram> do as you'd wish!
[15:36:52] <Bytram> that's why I asked for you to review it!
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[15:50:05] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: any idea who is doing the weekly polls?
[19:00:22] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: sry - I got called away. No, I'm afraid that I don't know.
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