#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-29
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[14:00:45] <janrinok> hi guys
[14:10:07] <mrcoolbp> g'mornin janrinok
[14:10:17] <mrcoolbp> worry not, coffee just finished brewing = )
[14:13:43] <LaminatorX> Hello
[14:18:03] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: LaminatorX Hi, how are you both
[14:18:43] <mrcoolbp> pretty good, how goes it janrinok? (and LamX)
[14:22:08] <janrinok> I'm physically well - but feeling exhausted. It seems my days are too short for all the things that I have to do!
[14:22:12] <LaminatorX> So far so good.
[14:24:37] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: good.
[14:24:53] <mrcoolbp> Janrinok: I'm am right there with you. Perfectly descripbes my life right now
[14:25:33] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: lol - I thought my retirement was meant to be a time to relax and enjoy life!
[14:26:12] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: I know you don't have much time, but we made some progress last week on the SN Policy manual and it is now on the wiki. If you could look it over I'd appreciate it. I've not had any time to do so (focusing on this swag stuff and now am helping paulej run the site while NC is on vacay)
[14:26:27] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: hopefully you are still getting to enjoy life
[14:26:55] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: to me this is fun, but gosh darnit do I wish I had about 3 extra days in the week
[14:27:30] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: Yep. I'll post a few stories and take a wander to the wiki.
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[14:27:47] <janrinok> 4 days more would make it easier still
[14:27:57] <LaminatorX> I'll take a look at it, mrcoolbp.
[14:28:05] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: (I was talking to LaminatorX, you've already put a lot of time into that doc)
[14:28:10] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: thank you
[14:28:35] <LaminatorX> I looked at it a week or so back, It will be interesting to see the changes.
[14:28:45] <janrinok> This is one of my highlights of my day. I get chance to chat to you all, I enjoy the ed role, and I like reading the stories - although a longer sub queue would make me feel a bit happier.
[14:29:20] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: I'm not sure how much we've done since then, but the non-editorial part still needs some fleshing out
[14:29:32] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: yup, exactly!
[14:29:57] * mrcoolbp goes back to responding to emails and preparing for work on the swag store
[14:36:06] <LaminatorX> I'm seeing that the Editorial Policy page had been split from the general SoylentNews Policy document.
[14:36:27] <mrcoolbp> yes, that page is long
[14:36:44] <mrcoolbp> I like a lot of the info in there, but it would be nice if we could par it down a touch
[14:37:06] <mrcoolbp> I think janrinok was mostly working on that as a separate entity, hence the spit
[14:37:07] <janrinok> LaminatorX: Yes it got a bit unwieldy - especially when I suppose each team should also produce a policy doc for themselves.
[14:37:23] <LaminatorX> They certainly should.
[14:37:47] * janrinok notes that he has not seen much enthusiasm for that idea
[14:37:59] <mrcoolbp> I don't want this thing to turn into War and Peace, but having SOPs for each team is probably a good idea
[14:38:24] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I am running 2 teams right now, but I'm the only one on either = )
[14:38:40] <LaminatorX> If nothing else, it would answer the question of "Whome do I ask about ____?"
[14:39:10] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX usually that answer is: "TL" or "NC"
[14:39:14] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: that wasn't aimed at you lol. But even when I have asked other teams for info that we need to include in the Ed Pol doc they have not seemed to keen on finding it for me.
[14:40:13] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: there only a few of us that are actually active, if they find their time is better spent doing their actual duties then writing a policy doc currently, I'm fine with that
[14:40:20] <mrcoolbp> at least we started this thing
[14:40:29] <LaminatorX> brb
[14:40:35] <mrcoolbp> okay
[14:40:36] <mrcoolbp> It will likely be a "living doc" anyway
[14:41:08] <janrinok> I know that _nobody_ enjoys paperwork, but if they can provide me with the notes I'll be happy to try to put it into something they can tear apart if that would help?
[14:42:08] <janrinok> But as I have no idea on the internal workings of any other team, I've not got much to offer without their input.
[14:43:12] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: okay, don't worry about specifics quite yet, let's focus on general guidelines for now
[14:43:22] <mrcoolbp> (the part I started)
[14:43:34] <janrinok> OK - will do
[14:43:39] <mrcoolbp> if we can get that looking decent, we'll be better off then we are now
[14:43:46] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[14:44:31] <mrcoolbp> general guidelines (like ensuring there is duplication of privs on each system by qualified parties) might save us some headache later
[14:45:19] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: the editorial policy is a bit thick, maybe we could work with lamX on making that simpler?
[14:45:26] <LaminatorX> Really, I'm happy with what's written, apart from the question mark here and there where we just don't no the answer as yet.
[14:45:44] <janrinok> you see, I hadn't even thought of that until you mentioned it because because I haven't seen these problems at first hand
[14:46:25] <mrcoolbp> define "that"
[14:46:53] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: Yeah I'm not happy with the size of the doc, but if I take something out it leaves it with a big question mark - or at least that is my thinking. I was trying to cover all the expected options.
[14:47:14] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: you can't cover *everything*
[14:47:23] <mrcoolbp> I know most of that stuff is important, but if it's TLDR, it's not much use
[14:47:30] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: that - duplicate privs - we jumped a line or two while I was typing...
[14:47:37] <mrcoolbp> that's what I thought
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[14:47:45] <mrcoolbp> that should be in the general guidelines
[14:48:11] <LaminatorX> Stuff like this is usually dense for a reason. We cant cover every eventuality in policy, but I think it wise to lay out the guidelines and governing principles by which such eventualities should be approached.
[14:48:20] <janrinok> I'll get together with LaminatorX and try to pare it down a little
[14:48:33] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: that's true
[14:48:50] <mrcoolbp> I trust you guys to handle this
[14:49:07] <mrcoolbp> I'll jump in at some point but I gotta work on the Swag Store today
[14:49:34] <mrcoolbp> thanks you two for your efforts
[14:49:46] <janrinok> np
[15:15:31] <janrinok> gtg for an hour or 2 - cul8r guys
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[17:48:58] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I had that problem with nicks yesterday - not quite sure why I suddenly became a SoyGuest for some reason...
[17:49:20] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: nah, I was messing with my new bouncer setup
[17:49:32] <janrinok> ah, self induced!
[17:49:40] * mrcoolbp can disconnect and still see you talking about him now so--watch out!
[17:50:42] <janrinok> lol - now who would talk about you behind your back?
[17:51:09] <mrcoolbp> well, I'd invoke rule #1 on that one = )
[17:51:34] <janrinok> I know I shouldn't ask but, #1?
[17:58:09] <mrcoolbp> blame janrionk
[17:58:36] <janrinok> of course - it's always my fault...
[17:59:25] <mrcoolbp> there ya go
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[20:03:32] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I've made some changes to the SN Policy Doc. I'm going to have to call it a day soon, it's late evening here. cu tomorrow?
[20:03:53] <mrcoolbp> sure, I'll be on a bit in the morning EST tomorrow
[20:04:05] <janrinok> OK, bye for now
[20:04:07] <mrcoolbp> (I saw you updating wiki pages)
[20:04:10] <mrcoolbp> okay cu later
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