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[14:43:47] <Azrael> g'afternoon
[14:44:43] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[14:46:07] <LaminatorX> So Azrael, a week or so in, how're you feeling about editing?
[14:47:48] <LaminatorX> More like 2+ weeks now that I look back. Time flies.
[14:48:20] <LaminatorX> I'm digging you're stuff, I just wanted to take your pulse and make sure you were feeling good withit.
[14:50:25] <Azrael> yeah, I'm feeling good about it, feeling much more confident about tweaking other people's work when I 2nd ed approve too :)
[14:51:29] <Azrael> and finding some days I can bang out a bunch in a row in next to no time - which is good :)
[14:52:28] <Azrael> and sometimes I feel a bit bad (though not enough to stop me) when I log in and cherry pick all the good submissions and then sit back to let the rest of you fight over the rubbish ones :D
[14:53:16] <LaminatorX> Hah. Cranking out a bunch is great when you've got the time & energy. If you're feeling stretched thin, feel free to back off too. I'd rather the load be shared than have anyone burn out.
[14:54:39] <Azrael> *nods* when I'm low on time and there's stuff already waiting I do ease off. I only feel a pressure if we're close to the end of the queue and (so far) I'm happy to prioritise getting some stuff done regardless
[14:57:33] <LaminatorX> Sounds like the right approach. The only thing I've done with your stories beyond the normal touch-ups is space them out a bit when the submissions were thin over the weekend.
[14:58:44] <LaminatorX> Let me also encourage you to feel free to tighten up headlines here and there, as you deem fit.
[14:59:39] <LaminatorX> Re-wording when is's not absolutely neccessary, yet still beneficial, is one of those things that feels awkward at first.
[15:00:29] <Azrael> *nods* fair enough... I normally space them as I assume it should be and don't revisit. Probably a good idea for me to remember to re-space them out if queue is looking desperate
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[15:01:06] <LaminatorX> It hasn't been a problem per-se, but it is something to watch out for.
[15:01:16] <Azrael> Yeah, a few times on really long titles I've tried to shorten if a word isn't stricly necessary, but hold off trying to edit theem too much
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[15:02:49] <LaminatorX> Howdy zizban. I was just chatting with Azrael about how things are feeling as an editor now that you've gotten a feel for things. How are things going for you?
[15:02:57] <Azrael> I did notice on one story a commenter reinterpreted the story because original submission didn't reflect it as accurately. the commentor criticised the originally submitter (fortunately editor escaped blame ;) ) and I guess that's soemthign for me to look out for too. Seeing if submission does accurately reflect the story
[15:03:22] <Azrael> wow, the typing in that was awful
[15:03:23] <zizban> LaminatorX:everything is fine
[15:03:27] * Azrael fires his typist
[15:05:10] <zizban> Some edits are a breeze like this one about ISPs and GCHQ
[15:05:15] <zizban> Some are...harder
[15:12:21] <zizban> The GCHQ story is ready if someone wants to look it over
[15:12:39] <Azrael> sure :)
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[15:14:11] <Azrael> green thumbed :D
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[15:14:56] <zizban> awesome
[15:15:13] <zizban> Now to try to de-flamebait the IRS story
[15:15:25] <LaminatorX> That's the spirit.
[15:30:12] <Azrael> zizban: did you see there are two IRS stories you can merge?
[15:30:27] <zizban> No lemme looksee
[15:32:00] <zizban> That second is actually better than the one I am working on it. Let's see if I can take the good parts from this one
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[15:32:27] <Azrael> zizban: do you know you can get the system to merge them both for you?
[15:32:39] <zizban> No I had no idea
[15:32:45] <Azrael> tick the box on both and click the merge button :)
[15:33:05] <Azrael> still gives you a lot to do in editing the content to merge them
[15:33:56] <zizban> yep sure does. Luckily I dont have a class for an hour :)
[15:36:39] <Azrael> lol
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[15:47:25] <zizban> What code do I have to put at the beginning of the stuff that goes below "read more"?
[15:51:08] <zizban> I just need that info and the IRS story is ready to go
[15:53:42] <Azrael> the read more bit you put into the Extended Copy box
[15:54:51] <zizban> I did that but when I preview it I don't read read more..it's still all on one page
[15:55:03] <zizban> look at the story in the que
[15:56:04] <Azrael> yeah, but see the edit link is in the middle of the text, the full story always shows on the story page
[15:56:14] <Azrael> you just don't get a way to see it as if it appearerd on front page
[15:56:25] <Azrael> but afaik you've done that right :)
[15:56:26] <zizban> OK
[15:56:34] <Azrael> i.e. that's how I do it :)
[15:56:37] <zizban> schweet!
[15:56:39] <zizban> LOL
[15:57:21] <zizban> Okay, it's now ready to go
[15:57:40] <Azrael> typo tree’s
[15:57:53] <LaminatorX> Looks pretty good. A few touch-ups:
[15:58:41] <LaminatorX> The title should be "IRS, 501(c)(3), and the Future of Open Source in US"
[15:58:59] <zizban> I cap everything
[15:59:07] <zizban> Thats How I learned in college
[15:59:14] <LaminatorX> Note the added serial comma after "(3), and the adjustments to capitalization.
[15:59:22] <zizban> Yes
[15:59:32] <zizban> You don't cap every word in the headline?
[16:00:16] <Azrael> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:00:26] <LaminatorX> Title Case is our friend. http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:00:36] <Azrael> I sometimes can't tell if certain words should be capped or not.. I do best efforts in those cases :/
[16:01:01] <LaminatorX> There is room for interperetation, and the rules are not absolute.
[16:01:24] <zizban> Oh I missed that in one of my eighteen read throughs of the wiki
[16:01:49] <zizban> Next time I'll just as my self, what would Azrael do?
[16:02:06] <Azrael> LaminatorX: as an aside, would be good to edit http://wiki.soylentnews.org with example of how to do multiple submitters in single article
[16:02:52] <zizban> Even though I merged them, I ending deleting 99% of what the second submitter what
[16:02:56] <zizban> so no credit for him
[16:03:00] <Azrael> :)
[16:03:14] <zizban> Plus, dude, you had an ax to grind LOL
[16:03:17] <Azrael> I have had a couple and not known quite how to phrase the byline :/
[16:03:42] <zizban> heh
[16:03:56] <Azrael> had a two named an done anonymouse which became: AnonTechie, RhubarbSin, and others write in to tell us:
[16:04:20] <Azrael> should that just have been: AnonTechie, RhubarbSin, and others write: ?
[16:24:43] <zizban> I would think so
[16:24:54] <zizban> (sorry the delayed response, had to do paperwork)
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[16:29:15] <janrinok> hi guys
[16:30:37] <zizban> hello
[16:30:59] <janrinok> paulej72: I had another story with a spurious ':' in its title today - 4th in queue 'Paypal freezes ProtonMail Campaign Funds'
[16:31:04] <janrinok> hi zizban
[16:33:59] <janrinok> zizban: I've released your story - very interesting! (You also got bitten by the unicode bug but I replaced it...)
[16:34:09] <zizban> Thank you!
[16:35:47] <janrinok> Your IRS seem to have their head up their arse (UK-en!)
[16:36:38] <zizban> Ya and they are under intense media pressure right now as wll
[16:38:23] <paulej72> janrinok: I think the submitter is posting the title with the : in it.
[16:39:14] <janrinok> The GCHQ affair will come to nothing, unfortunately. GCHQ are _supposed_ to intercept foreign communications, assist the police etc. They have no limitation inside the UK when supporting the police or MI5. So while they might be guilty of everything they are accused of, 'so what?' will be the response.
[16:40:22] <zizban> Yep
[16:40:25] <janrinok> paulej72: We had a series of half a dozen or so the other day, all from different submitters. Those that I managed to speak to said they had not inserted it. I wonder if they are using some scraping software that just sticks it in?
[16:40:28] <zizban> The lawsuit will nowhere
[16:41:33] <paulej72> Pasting in a non ascii char that just happens to be renderd as : ?
[16:41:35] <janrinok> I need to check rss-bot to make sure that _it_ isn't the culprit...?
[16:42:36] <janrinok> They assured me - we a couple of them did, that it occured during the submission draft and entry phase.
[16:42:47] <janrinok> well a couple*
[16:45:09] <janrinok> zizban: how's your teaching day going?
[16:45:28] <zizban> quiet, so far. Office work. I have a student soon
[16:45:38] <zizban> Next week starts a summer camp for perspective students
[16:45:42] <zizban> two weeks of insanity
[16:45:58] <janrinok> Of course, its still early'ish for you, we are late afternoon here.
[16:46:29] <janrinok> s/perspective/prospective/ I assume.... ;)
[16:46:45] <zizban> yes ;)
[16:47:08] <janrinok> I wish I could have done that to one of my teachers, back in the day...
[16:47:16] <zizban> That means starting the 9th I'll be scarce for a couple of weeks
[16:47:52] <janrinok> thx for the heads up. We are also short of N1 at the moment - I assume that he is buried in work somewhere.
[16:48:23] <janrinok> I summer camp a good thing - enjoyable, interesting etc?
[16:48:33] <janrinok> Is*
[16:48:41] <zizban> It is fun it's just a lot of work
[16:49:03] <zizban> Like all day trips off campus
[16:49:59] <janrinok> What particular problems does it bring - other than the workload?
[16:52:15] <zizban> well its herding a dozen young energetic austic kids through things like museums, theme parks, etc
[16:52:25] <zizban> Plus teaching them life skills
[16:52:45] <zizban> YES SHE IS PRETTY NO ITS NOT APPROPRIATE TO TOUCH HER
[16:53:10] <janrinok> OK - got it - a bit like herding cats while beating of wolves.
[16:53:18] <janrinok> off*
[16:53:21] <zizban> yes
[16:54:36] <janrinok> So next time I see a pretty young girl, my defence will be 'I'm sorry, but I didn't know any better!'
[16:54:53] <zizban> LOL
[16:55:00] <janrinok> Although I'm approaching the age where that might actually be applicable again...
[16:55:57] <janrinok> I've said it before - and I'll say it again - I admire what you do and I hope enough people appreciate it.
[16:56:23] <zizban> Thank you!
[16:56:46] <zizban> Okay off I go!
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[16:56:51] <janrinok> have a good one
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[17:40:24] <Azrael> howdy janrinok|afk
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[19:40:40] <janrinok> hi anyone
[19:41:45] <n1> hi janrinok
[19:42:54] <n1> how are you?
[19:44:09] <janrinok> n1 - hi - not spoken to you since Saturday.
[19:44:58] <n1> yeah, i've been up against it, this is shaping up to be a tough month or two
[19:45:09] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[19:45:43] <janrinok> Hi LaminatorX how's things?
[19:45:59] <janrinok> n1: just work related?
[19:46:08] <n1> been writing marketing materials to plan for the worst while i wait for funds to be available for projects that should have started a week ago, havn't been able to find the time or energy to face editing.
[19:46:35] <janrinok> n1: sry to hear that, I hope things sort themselves out soon
[19:46:46] <n1> yeah, mostly - although work tends to impact personal stuff as i'm sure you know.
[19:47:03] <n1> things have been worse, but it's all or nothing as always.
[19:47:06] <janrinok> LaminatorX: zizban will be away for 2 weeks summer camp starting in about 9-10 days or so.
[19:47:48] <janrinok> n1, if there is anything I can do to help, just shout. But I fear that there is probably not much I can do from here.
[19:48:35] <n1> thanks, janrinok. is much appreciated. i'm sorry for not being very reliable of late.
[19:49:15] <janrinok> np. The extra 2 eds have made a big difference. We have had a bit of flex in the system and have actually been ahead of the game a little bit.
[19:49:15] <LaminatorX> Things are well, and thanks for the heads-up re zizban.
[19:49:48] <n1> if someone could take a look at the 'genetically modified red blood cells' story, it would be appreciated
[19:49:59] <n1> there's a reference at the end which im missing the connection to the story
[19:50:16] <n1> i've left it in for now, im assuming i just dont get it.
[19:50:31] <janrinok> Soph is facing fairly major surgery, but that has been delayed until after Sept at the earliest, barring any unforeseen events. n1 - will do.
[19:51:48] <LaminatorX> "Improve things" sugery or "prevent worse things" surgery?
[19:52:04] <n1> :(
[19:52:11] <janrinok> the latter unfortunately.
[19:52:42] <LaminatorX> :( indeed. Be strong and good luck.
[19:53:08] <n1> my thoughts will be with you both, janrinok. i hope it goes to plan.
[19:54:01] <janrinok> People always cling on to the belief that, one day, perhaps they will get better. This operation is fairly drastic and implies that she will never be able to make a full recovery, and that she is unlikely to make any significant improvement from where she is today, but could get much worse without it.
[19:55:03] <LaminatorX> Least-bad choices suck.
[19:56:31] <janrinok> yep, I had already come to realise what the future held, but I think S was hoping beyond hope that something would come along to change things. It's not an easy thing to accept, especially as she is 10 years younger that I am and should have quite a long life ahead of her still.
[19:56:41] <n1> janrinok, I understand that very well. I wish i could offer something to help. Never been good with that kind of thing.
[19:57:04] <n1> even if unrealistic, hope is a help in itself.
[19:57:13] <janrinok> thx for your thoughts - its a problem that we have to get over, and there is not much anyone can do to help.
[19:58:35] <LaminatorX> I watched a documentary over the weekend about (and shot&edited by) a couple where the husband has rapidly-advancing MS. I thought of you two.
[19:58:42] <n1> I think the same applies to everyone, regardless of the situation, we should try and make the best and most of each day. Hope for a better future but appreciate the good of the present.
[20:01:59] <janrinok> Fortunately, the local social support are very good and are already looking at what help they might be able to offer to improve S's quality of life after the op. Its a small compensation but it nice to have supportive people around, even during the 'decision' making stage. (I don't thing that there is any decision to make looking at the alternatives, but S has to reach that conclusion herself.)
[20:02:48] <n1> that is very good janrinok, sounds like you're better off there than what's going on here with such matters.
[20:05:03] <janrinok> yes, I agree. n1 - I've read that story and I haven't got a clue what the final link is all about. Can I just delete it for you?
[20:05:22] <n1> Sure, if you don't get it either then remove it.
[20:07:33] <janrinok> I think that the submitter must have been taking some recreational medication or something. Either that, or I'm getting too old and don't understand 'the youth of today'.
[20:08:15] <n1> it only made me think of a friend of mine who references pinky and the brain frequently
[20:08:20] <n1> but i couldn't make the connection
[20:08:40] <n1> if they are on recreational medication, then i want some of what they're on lol, seems fun.
[20:08:46] <janrinok> it was lost on me - we'll probably be panned as eds for not getting the joke, but meh....
[20:09:12] <n1> i'll just blame you ;)
[20:09:23] <janrinok> ditto
[20:09:42] <n1> well, in a week or so we can blame zizban as he wont be here to defend himself.
[20:10:03] <janrinok> good idea - we'll save it until then for the discussion!
[20:10:12] <n1> heh
[20:13:13] <n1> on an unrelated subject, i've been pondering something myself. What i've noted on pretty much every tech acquisition in recent times, the one comment element, is venture capital.
[20:13:51] <n1> Any company that gets bought out for a huge sum, always had VC backing. They never seem to start as a small business and grow organically because of market forces
[20:14:05] <n1> someone's always dumping tens of millions into them a couple years before someone buys them for hundreds of millions.
[20:14:12] <janrinok> That was also on ITV news tonight - they had a piece on crowd funding and how it was beginning to worry certain banks. I was only half listening so I'm not sure of the details.
[20:15:05] <n1> the dropcam acquisition is what finally made the link for me, there was nearly 100m in vc funding for a technology that had already been on the market by other companies for at least 3 years.
[20:15:06] <janrinok> Our stories are not quite the same, but maybe there is a common thread there somewhere.
[20:15:46] <n1> none of those other companies are worth anything, even though they offer the same or extremely similar services. dropcam, with 100m investment for nothing innovative, is worth 500m somehow.
[20:15:56] <janrinok> I wish someone would 'dump' a couple of million on me.
[20:16:24] <n1> me too, maybe i'm doing it wrong
[20:16:38] <n1> trying to grow my business through demand, rather than finding someone with money to burn.
[20:17:35] <n1> once you're on the radar, as in VC has funded you so other funds are watching, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
[20:19:18] <janrinok> If I VC'd you a tenner, would it start the ball rolling, do you think? :)
[20:19:29] <n1> i think it was a news summary app that got bought by yahoo for millions a year or two ago
[20:19:47] <n1> the media was pushing it as 'young kid makes app in bedroom, makes millions."
[20:20:12] <n1> it was only till you dug deeper into the story, the kids dad was an executive at HSBC or some other major bank
[20:20:21] <n1> and got him funding from a HongKong VC firm to make it happen
[20:20:49] <n1> that obviously wasn't on the media agenda of how with hard work you can make it big all by yourself.
[20:21:14] <janrinok> So being inherently lazy isn't likely to help my case?
[20:21:28] <n1> it will, if you're connected.
[20:21:41] <janrinok> ...and that's my other problem.
[20:21:52] <n1> the dropcam people were already on the radar, which is probably how they got their funding, because they'd already been paid millions by yahoo for some email features.
[20:21:52] <janrinok> brb
[20:33:14] <janrinok> ok back now
[20:35:06] <n1> wb
[20:35:16] <janrinok> thx
[20:37:12] <n1> due on site at the first festival in like 3 weeks, the organizers still dont have the funding.
[20:38:15] <n1> and if they dont have the funding for us, the council will shut them down because breaking licence and subsequently fuck everyone else, traders, companies providing service, the actual ticket holders.
[20:38:53] <janrinok> Is that likely to be the end result, or is everybody expecting funding to get through in time?
[20:39:42] <n1> they're still hoping on it, but we're due on site in 3 weeks, had to make adjustments because some of the equipment was special order and 5 weeks lead time.
[20:40:15] <n1> but it's a knock on effect, there's no choice, not only will it fuck this festival, the hardware was also for the next festival
[20:41:49] <janrinok> it never rains but it pours. What's your plan?
[20:43:14] <n1> i'm working on other things, hence all the writing for marketing materials, going to be reselling BT internet and installing data cabling and that kind of deal, to expand the business.
[20:44:14] <n1> all i can do is keep checking my emails and hope funding comes through, the first festival we're supposed to be doing information signs as well as the cctv system, so there's a ton of work to do from as soon as we get the money.
[20:45:02] <LaminatorX> Meanwhile you're not taking any other gigs in that timeframe. Hrmph.
[20:46:14] <janrinok> hope things turn out ok
[20:46:46] <n1> janrinok, me too, and for a change it's not just me that suffers
[20:46:55] <n1> as i said before, if we don't go ahead, everyone gets fucked.
[20:47:17] <janrinok> How big of an investment is it?
[20:48:23] <n1> £7k
[20:48:53] <n1> we're doing it really cheap, because it should be an ongoing thing, regular work.
[20:50:08] <n1> another company would probably be 50% more, and this is after me pulling them out the shit last year.
[20:53:22] <n1> we're barely breaking even on it really, this happens too often.
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[20:54:29] <janrinok> How often do you get the opportunity to earn something back from the equipment? I.e. is it use two/three times a year, a dozen, more?
[20:55:02] <TK> Virginia has three I's
[20:55:36] <n1> well that very much depends, this will be the first year and it will only be two. i'm just doing the technical side of it, the owner/operators have to secure the work.
[20:55:43] <TK> Virgina is a hotel in Paris
[20:56:02] <janrinok> is TK another bot?
[20:57:05] <n1> i think not
[20:57:23] <janrinok> paulej72: You might want to record the details for user TK - I'm not sure if this is the start of something....
[20:57:49] <TK> I'm real
[20:57:58] <n1> TK has been around for a while afaik.
[20:58:08] <janrinok> hi TK, what did you mean by your first 2 posts?
[20:58:13] <TK> I first came here for the<popcorn> for Barrabas
[20:58:23] <n1> lol.
[20:58:24] <TK> The story http://soylentnews.org
[20:58:41] <n1> argh!
[20:58:44] <TK> has a typo in the title
[20:59:17] <TK> No wonder janrinok wanted me to be a bot
[20:59:27] <janrinok> thx for that - it was a bit cryptic at first
[20:59:37] <TK> My bad
[20:59:44] <n1> we're all bad.
[20:59:44] <janrinok> lol - np
[20:59:45] <n1> :P
[21:00:10] <TK> I was trying to cleverly say there was a typo, but the difference isn't obvious without putting them side by side
[21:00:30] <n1> if there was a typo to have
[21:00:34] <n1> at least it was an amusing one
[21:00:46] <janrinok> it all makes sense now - I've made the correction but it will take a few minutes to filter through the cache.
[21:00:53] <TK> lol
[21:02:23] <TK> Has there been a bot problem?
[21:02:41] <janrinok> Once or twice but, touch wood, not too recently
[21:03:21] <janrinok> paulej72 has a ban-hammer that he can wield from time to time, but we try not to have to use it.
[21:04:10] <LaminatorX> Thanks for the assist, TK. We do appreciate it.
[21:04:20] <janrinok> You are the first to notice that error - good spot
[21:05:07] <janrinok> correction shows in the story list but still hasn't made it to my front page!
[21:05:26] <LaminatorX> MMmm, cache.
[21:05:43] <janrinok> loads of F5, Ctrl-F5 so its not at my end.
[21:06:00] <janrinok> Yipee - its ok now
[21:06:35] <janrinok> Thx again TK - much appreciated even if I didn't understand your cryptic clues!
[21:11:47] <TK> More to come in the future
[21:12:14] <TK> I see the changed page
[21:12:35] <TK> But I wasn't the first to notice, the very first comment is regarding the typo
[21:13:32] <janrinok> I've not had chance to read the comments yet!
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[21:48:04] <janrinok> wb nick/n1 whoever...
[21:48:23] <janrinok> I didn't see you leave....
[21:49:23] <n1> ping timeout from a blue screen of death
[21:49:29] <n1> driver issues
[21:58:42] <janrinok> Mattie_p should be arriving at his new home tomorrow sometime.
[22:01:00] <n1> can't say i envy having to move with a wife and kids, it's bad enough just by myself.
[22:01:07] <janrinok> well, time for me to go. cu all tomorrow!
[22:01:26] <n1> take care, janrinok
[22:01:37] <janrinok> n1 - are you suggesting that he should have left them behind...? ;)
[22:01:45] <n1> hah, never!
[22:01:53] <janrinok> lol, tomorrow then!
[22:01:57] <n1> laters :)
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