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[02:09:17] <n1> mrcoolbp
[02:09:27] <mrcoolbp> hey n1
[02:09:32] <n1> how goes?
[02:09:43] <mrcoolbp> not bad at all, you?
[02:09:54] * mrcoolbp notes he's busy buys buys though
[02:10:08] <n1> tiring day but all good.
[02:10:47] <n1> just a fyi... i put up a story without submitting it to fill a gap in the stories, didnt like any of the submissions.
[02:11:18] <n1> breakin' the rules and all that!
[02:11:25] <mrcoolbp> that's a no- no ! you badass
[02:11:27] <mrcoolbp> no sign of the new editor yet?
[02:11:57] <n1> its not due out for a good few hours yet
[02:12:18] <n1> http://soylentnews.org
[02:12:21] <mrcoolbp> someone will check it then
[02:12:39] <mrcoolbp> it's proper form to just submit it though and let one of the other authors pick it up
[02:13:42] <n1> yeah, i know. i was trying to fill up the queue for the night.
[02:16:10] * mrcoolbp needs to eat food and run off in a bit
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[16:41:21] <Bytram|away> janrinok: I noticed a dupe and blocked display of "Court Rules Warrant Required for Cellphone Location Records" at: http://soylentnews.org because "US Eleventh Circuit Ruling: Cell Phone Location Data is Private, Requires Warrant" at: http://soylentnews.org had already gone live.
[16:42:52] <n1> i dont believe he's here, good spot Bytram|away
[16:43:22] <Bytram|away> thanks. It's too bad; the newer story has more "meat" on it, but the story went out almost 2 hours ago. not sure what we can do?
[16:43:36] <n1> we could add to it
[16:43:49] <n1> as there's been little response and it's high up the main page
[16:44:07] <Bytram|away> yea, I thought of that; but after already being live for almost two hours?
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[16:44:21] <n1> as long as it's clear it's an edit, i dont see a problem
[16:44:28] <n1> but maybe i'm just too chilled out about this shit
[16:44:35] <Bytram> hmmm, maybe as a "late editorial addition" or some such?
[16:44:39] <n1> yeah
[16:44:45] <Bytram> I can do that; hold on.
[16:45:39] <n1> it looks like i got away with breaking the rules last night...
[16:46:29] <Bytram> n1 how so?
[16:47:07] <n1> during my editing frenzy last night i wrote and put in the queue the $25 Firefox story
[16:47:22] <n1> as at the time there was only 9 stories left in submissions and none of them really inspired me
[16:47:36] <Bytram> I don't see the problem?
[16:47:57] <n1> we're supposed to submit, and wait for another editor to pick it up
[16:48:31] <Bytram> oh. wrote AND put in queue; yeah. I've had to do that a couple times, too.
[16:48:40] <n1> but at the time, i was doubtful and was trying to fill up the queue - i don't think anyone really cares but it's not following procedure!
[16:48:45] <Bytram> I try to not make a habit of it.
[16:49:02] <n1> i've only done it once before and that was for the emergency UN security council meeting
[16:49:16] <n1> which i think was worthy of not waiting for a submission, hence 'emergency'
[16:49:37] <Azrael> Need more editors... which as a coincidence is why I joined the channel, I would like to know more about such things to see if I want to volunteer :)
[16:50:00] <n1> hey Azrael
[16:50:11] <Bytram> Azrael: g'morning!
[16:50:42] <n1> and on a side note, if i was being devious, i could have just submitted as AC and 'accepted' it, but i'm not that devious.
[16:50:49] <Azrael> hey n1, Bytram :) g'afternoon :D
[16:51:07] <n1> Azrael, the basics on what is expected are covered in the wiki articles in the topic of this channel
[16:51:25] <Bytram> Azrael: Hi! I'm trying to push out a story update; back in a bit.
[16:51:42] <n1> but you are very correct, we need more editors, and ones of a better calibre than myself!
[16:53:01] <Bytram> Need some fedback; after the first story's text, I've added: "[Editor's Note: updated the with an unnoticed (at the time) submission on the same topic.]" and then included the other submission. Does that sound okay?
[16:53:14] <n1> Azrael: LaminatorX is the person to talk to about joining the team, you can either loiter in here or the best way is probably to email editors@soylentnews.org
[16:53:21] <Bytram> trying to avoid people "piling on" when a story is in the queue
[16:53:52] <n1> when i accepted the original one, it wasn't in the submissions list
[16:54:16] <n1> i accepted the original one before i went to bed last night, so it's understandable that someone else also submitted it
[16:54:29] <n1> so there was a long time where no one would have known it was coming up
[16:55:11] <Bytram> got it; you raise a good point. Let me think and also check something.
[16:55:11] <Bytram> brb
[16:56:51] <Azrael> n1: I emailed that address yesterday, and am loitering here, so I think I have those covered :)
[16:59:09] <n1> great, hope we can figure it out. things would be a lot easier if we had a couple more editors, i think.
[16:59:41] <Bytram> n1: I'm struggling with the time stamps in trying to find out what DATE/TIME the second story appeared in the queue... any bright ideas? I tried following the submission link; but all I can see is the date/time it was *accepted*
[17:00:12] <Bytram> ooh! I think I might have it! HOld on!
[17:00:29] <n1> it was accepted 14:02 UTC
[17:00:36] <n1> as that was the first save of the story
[17:02:34] <Bytram> I'm trying to make sense of the time stamps at his user page(!) which lists his submissions. I see 2014_06_12 @ 01:18AM (but that's EDT) so that would make it (?) 05:18AM?
[17:02:59] <n1> errr
[17:03:01] <n1> let me look
[17:03:17] <n1> oh, it's hugh pickens :|
[17:03:42] <Bytram> either way, it looks like that is earlier than the "go live" time for the original story. right?
[17:04:06] <Bytram> yeah, but it's got some good info. I don't care who submits it - I look at the *content*
[17:04:35] <n1> i dont care either, but some people do
[17:05:08] <n1> i'm pretty sure it would have been submitted prior to the go-live of the over story
[17:05:14] <n1> i'm confused with the time stamps myself
[17:05:45] <Bytram> exactly. it's the principal of the thing; not the "who", the "what" that I look at.
[17:05:47] <Bytram> brb
[17:06:17] <n1> other*
[17:06:25] * n1 needs more energy
[17:07:53] <Bytram> n1: [Editor's Note: Included a submission that appeared after acceptance of the above story, but before the time it was scheduled go-live.]
[17:08:05] <n1> sounds good to me
[17:08:07] <Bytram> too verbose, but I'm at a loss.
[17:08:54] <n1> seems ok to me, it answers the questions people may have
[17:09:11] <Bytram> [Editor's Note: updated with a submittal that appeared in the window between acceptance and go-live.]
[17:09:30] <n1> also works
[17:09:47] <Bytram> any typos or anything? I'm about to push it out
[17:10:19] <n1> uppercase the U on 'updated' otherwise all goos
[17:10:21] <n1> good*
[17:10:35] <n1> not that i'm the best person to be asking right now, fading.
[17:11:01] <Bytram> good point, though. it's in there. I think I"m gonna blockquote the separate submissions to make it clearer
[17:11:49] <n1> at this point all changes will go live, if you include Hugh Pickens writes: under the original submission
[17:11:51] <n1> it should be clear
[17:12:44] <Bytram> the blockquotes make it clearer as to what is what. also, changed "submittal" to "submission"
[17:12:54] <Bytram> pushing it out now.
[17:14:01] <Bytram> take a look at : <blockquote>
[17:14:04] <Bytram> oops!
[17:14:13] <Bytram> try: http://soylentnews.org
[17:14:21] * Bytram hangs head in shame
[17:15:33] <Bytram> Azrael: Well, that was fun. =) Welcome aboard!
[17:16:28] <n1> i'd probably put the text inside the [] in italics, but that could just be me.
[17:16:45] <Bytram> hrrrm.
[17:16:54] <n1> it's pretty clear though, it works.
[17:19:06] <Bytram> yeah, I see what you mean; but I'd rather minimize changes appearing on the main page. I'm gonna leave it as is barring any strong recommendation to the contrary.
[17:20:31] <n1> i thinkn it's fine
[17:20:33] <n1> -n
[17:20:40] <n1> just personal formatting/style preferences
[17:20:43] <paulej72> did you guys fast forward that story that you added to. If you updated it, it would not be wrong to push it to the top again
[17:21:11] <n1> it's only one away from top now
[17:21:45] <Bytram> paulej72: interesting point - didn't think of that.
[17:22:15] <paulej72> well if it is that high, not needed
[17:23:45] <Bytram> thanks for the idea, though. If there were a large enough time gap, and there was some additional (e.g. late-breaking update) information, I'd consider putting it out separately and linking back to the earlier story.
[17:26:08] <Bytram> just noticed the dupe story was still scheduled to go out. oops! Unticked "Display" so we should be all good, now.
[17:28:58] <n1> good work
[17:35:39] <Azrael> Bytram: thanks :)
[17:38:59] <Bytram> well, time for me to get on about my day...
[17:39:02] <Bytram> nice chatting with ya!
[17:39:29] <n1> take care, Bytram
[17:40:09] <Bytram> n1: and you, as well!
[17:40:10] <Bytram> ciao!
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[17:46:12] <LaminatorX> So, what's the situation with the undisplayed story at the top of the list?
[17:47:05] <Bytram|away> LaminatorX: it was approved after an earlier story on the same topic went live.
[17:47:30] <Bytram|away> I merged the contents of the non-display story into the earlier, already-live story with an editor's note.
[17:47:51] <Bytram|away> see: http://soylentnews.org
[17:49:16] <Bytram|away> talked it over with n1 and that's what we came up with. Am open to guidance on how to handle in the future, though.
[17:59:15] <n1> hi LaminatorX
[18:07:46] <LaminatorX> Hi there.
[18:09:32] <LaminatorX> That's a reasonable approach. What I would add to it, is to place a note to that effect in the non-displayed story, You could also set it's time to be 25:00, which would toss it to the back of the story list.
[18:15:19] <n1> 25:00 where stories go to die.
[18:18:26] <LaminatorX> A band I was in back in college had a song called, "13 O'clock."
[18:18:56] <Bytram|away> LaminatorX: Just popped in for a sec..
[18:19:22] <Bytram|away> LaminatorX: question? I thought that 25:00 would just put it to the first hour of the next DAY.
[18:19:55] <Bytram|away> have you actually used the 25:00 approach? If so, then nvm!
[18:20:34] <n1> if you put in a wrong time it throws it back to 1970 something i believe
[18:21:13] <LaminatorX> Here, take a look: soylentnews.org/admin.pl?section=&op=list&next=1793
[18:21:59] <Bytram|away> on my way...
[18:22:05] <LaminatorX> Adios.
[18:22:22] <Bytram|away> ciao!
[18:22:41] <Bytram|away> ooh! kewel!
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[19:39:28] <n1> im out, will be back later - queue could do with a couple more stories before i get back. (01:00 UTC)
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[21:44:28] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: ahoy matey
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[21:46:16] <Azrael> mrcoolbp: greetings :D
[21:46:29] <mrcoolbp> did you connect with LaminatorX yet?
[21:46:58] <Azrael> I haven't, no
[21:47:25] <mrcoolbp> I read that you emailed LaminatorX yesterday, what is your SN nick?
[21:48:02] <Azrael> azrael (2855)
[21:48:51] <mrcoolbp> okay cool, from what I gather you are interested in becoming an editor?
[21:50:00] <Azrael> Yes, pretty much. Or rather I'm interested in seeing if it'd be a good use of someof my time and if I'd be able to do sufficient a job to make it worth while me being one"
[21:50:19] <Azrael> tl;dr Yes
[21:51:28] <mrcoolbp> cool, well as has been said, LaminatorX is the one to make any decions in that dept.
[21:51:37] <mrcoolbp> of course you could brush up on the documentation on the wiki
[21:51:41] <mrcoolbp> let me give you a link
[21:51:52] * Azrael nodnods, "I have been reading them this morning"
[21:52:08] <Azrael> well, those ones in the topic anyway
[21:52:34] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: yup, those are them
[21:53:38] <mrcoolbp> what timezone are you located in?
[21:53:58] <paulej72> Azrael: we need all of the help we can get, os unless you have no ability to edit what-so-ever, I think you will be able to help out :)
[21:54:21] <Azrael> good old zero, or +1 I guess with BST :)
[21:54:36] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: cool
[21:54:38] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I could set him up with privledges on dev server and show him the ropes
[21:54:49] <paulej72> Azrael: that is good we need more European eds
[21:55:00] <mrcoolbp> I just don't want to step on LaminatorX's toes
[21:55:06] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: that is a good plan
[21:55:11] <Azrael> paulej72: I have a little experience with editing, doing some press releases now and then
[21:55:17] <mrcoolbp> okay, I'm on it
[21:55:36] <paulej72> Azrael: that should be suficient
[21:56:28] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: does he need to be added to some table in the DB in order to show up correctly?
[21:56:35] * mrcoolbp thought he remembered something about that
[21:57:02] <mrcoolbp> oh
[21:57:06] <paulej72> yes I can do that on dev now if you like
[21:57:09] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: "rebuild the authors cache"
[21:57:33] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yeah, he's at seclevel 100 on dev. You are go
[21:58:18] <Azrael> I'm logged in on dev and seeing cool extra stuff across the top :)
[21:59:09] <mrcoolbp> yup
[21:59:44] <mrcoolbp> okay so azreal, don't mess with any of the config stuff, you shouldn't be able to break anything, but it's never good to tempt fate
[21:59:49] <paulej72> done
[21:59:56] <mrcoolbp> thanks paulej72
[22:00:08] <Azrael> mrcoolbp: don't underestimate my ability to break things ;)
[22:00:21] <mrcoolbp> Azreal, if you click on "stories" you'll see a list of stuff in the queue
[22:00:32] <mrcoolbp> this list will include a story that hasn't been released yet
[22:00:32] <Azrael> I do :)
[22:01:09] <mrcoolbp> go ahead and check out "Submissions" as well
[22:02:02] <Azrael> ok, on the submissions admin page (/submit.pl?op=list)
[22:02:43] <mrcoolbp> okay so pick one...let's go with the "tiny power generator runs on spit"
[22:02:48] <mrcoolbp> near the bottom of the list
[22:03:10] <Azrael> ok, clicked, and am on /submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=1048&title=Tiny+power+generator+runs+on+spit
[22:03:14] <mrcoolbp> we try to pick stuff near the top of the list (the oldest ones) but just for this excercise we'll try this
[22:03:46] <mrcoolbp> so you see the orginal submission, and below it there are a bunch of options
[22:04:05] <Azrael> yup
[22:04:18] <mrcoolbp> depending on how much you read of the "Editing Process" you'll understand a little of what's going on here
[22:04:24] <mrcoolbp> let's go over the important bits
[22:04:58] <mrcoolbp> for now we have been posting everthing to the "Main Page" so you can see that drop-down box there
[22:05:09] <mrcoolbp> if you click it you'll see "meta" as well
[22:05:10] <Azrael> yep
[22:05:21] <mrcoolbp> these are for nexuses, a feature that's still being worked on
[22:05:26] <mrcoolbp> so ignore that for now
[22:05:40] <Azrael> ok
[22:05:45] <mrcoolbp> update will save the story into the "Story List" where it can eventually go live
[22:06:35] <mrcoolbp> the text boxes above and below that are used for a short comment between editors like "might work well on the weekend" or "I think this might be a dupe"
[22:06:55] <mrcoolbp> but I prefer to use the text box that you can see in the actual "Submissions List"
[22:07:21] <mrcoolbp> pop back out to the submissions list to see what I'm talking about
[22:07:50] <Azrael> done. so for example the message that says 'theres been html only gmail for a long time' ?
[22:07:57] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[22:08:11] <mrcoolbp> type something in another box and click update and it will be saved
[22:08:36] <mrcoolbp> okay let's go back into that "generator" story and go into editing
[22:09:14] <Azrael> done and done
[22:09:26] <mrcoolbp> This is a "mini" editor that you get on the submission's page, once we click "preview" we'll go into the full editor
[22:09:44] <mrcoolbp> notice the "title" and "dept." wich are self-explanatory
[22:10:07] <Azrael> yep :)
[22:10:23] <mrcoolbp> note however that the "dept." you can type "this is the dept" and it will come out ast "this-is-the-dept" (just FYI)
[22:10:33] * Azrael nods
[22:10:38] <mrcoolbp> these are usually lower case as well
[22:10:43] <mrcoolbp> okay
[22:10:54] <Azrael> that seems standard from memory
[22:11:10] <mrcoolbp> we've tried to get slash to format the submission the best we could for how we'd want things to look
[22:11:22] <mrcoolbp> this submission is pretty well written
[22:11:27] * Woods notes it comes out as "From the this-is-the-dept dept."
[22:11:41] <mrcoolbp> thanks Woods
[22:11:42] <Azrael> Woods: *nods*
[22:11:45] <Woods> Got your back
[22:11:48] <mrcoolbp> lol
[22:12:03] <paulej72> well I got you nose
[22:12:09] <Woods> noooo
[22:12:49] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: try this submission (at the top of the submission list) http://dev.soylentnews.org
[22:12:51] <Azrael> (brief aside to see goal replay)
[22:13:00] <mrcoolbp> take your time
[22:13:10] * mrcoolbp looks at his watch
[22:13:12] <Azrael> and back :)
[22:13:15] <mrcoolbp> = )
[22:13:21] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: try this submission (at the top of the submission list) http://dev.soylentnews.org
[22:13:29] <Azrael> am there
[22:13:32] <mrcoolbp> this one is not quite as well written
[22:14:23] <mrcoolbp> notice the link is just a URL (which is used sometimes) but generally working them with in-line <a href="URL">text describing url</a> is generally cleaner
[22:14:42] <mrcoolbp> and also the convention on sites like this
[22:14:55] <Azrael> *nods*
[22:15:12] <mrcoolbp> okay, let's give it a "dept" (go ahead, pick one)
[22:16:13] <Azrael> and click save?
[22:16:20] <mrcoolbp> try "preview"
[22:16:33] * Azrael nods
[22:17:35] <mrcoolbp> okay now, in a new window, open up the "Stories" list, and in another window (or these can be tabs) open up the submissions list
[22:17:49] <Azrael> done
[22:18:09] <mrcoolbp> scroll down to the bottom of the submissions list
[22:18:22] <mrcoolbp> you should see all the editors listed
[22:18:28] <Azrael> yep
[22:18:34] <mrcoolbp> I'm in the same story as you
[22:18:44] <Azrael> aha!
[22:18:47] <mrcoolbp> it's good to pay attention to this
[22:18:59] <Azrael> minimise editing collisions
[22:19:03] <mrcoolbp> you don't want to start editing a submission, only to find that Woods already did
[22:19:10] <mrcoolbp> you got it
[22:19:16] * Azrael eyes that Woods character
[22:19:32] <mrcoolbp> you can always jump in here and glare at him, yes that works
[22:19:36] <Azrael> :D
[22:19:48] <mrcoolbp> okay, so pick a submission and lets get editing!
[22:19:59] <mrcoolbp> doesn't matter which
[22:20:07] <Azrael> carry on with govn't double standards?
[22:20:49] <mrcoolbp> sure !
[22:21:49] <mrcoolbp> the title is in correct caps
[22:21:53] <mrcoolbp> it has a dept. now
[22:22:05] <mrcoolbp> let's throw that link in-line
[22:22:19] <mrcoolbp> what words do you want to use as the link?
[22:22:55] <Azrael> 'explores the double-standard' ?
[22:23:18] * mrcoolbp looks at the link
[22:23:57] <mrcoolbp> that should work
[22:25:02] <mrcoolbp> go for it
[22:25:30] <Azrael> I hit save?
[22:25:37] <mrcoolbp> it should be "update"
[22:25:58] <Azrael> no, I just have save and preview
[22:26:33] <Woods> It only switches to "update" after the story has been accepted.
[22:26:39] <mrcoolbp> ah
[22:26:50] <mrcoolbp> they are all showing as update for me, weird
[22:26:54] <Woods> Just to keep it nice and confusing.
[22:26:56] <mrcoolbp> might be due to my privs
[22:27:00] <Woods> Could be.
[22:27:04] <mrcoolbp> anyway, yes click save
[22:27:19] <Azrael> saved
[22:27:27] <Azrael> now top of the story list
[22:27:30] <mrcoolbp> yes
[22:27:38] <mrcoolbp> let's look at the colors of that list
[22:27:45] <Azrael> okio
[22:27:47] <mrcoolbp> your story should be yellow
[22:27:54] <Azrael> it is
[22:28:07] <mrcoolbp> that means that no one has "checked" it yet
[22:28:49] <mrcoolbp> the red stories are other authors stories that no one has checked yet
[22:29:04] <Azrael> green are checked?
[22:29:08] <mrcoolbp> green...well you guessed it
[22:29:17] <Azrael> grey - rejected?
[22:29:20] <mrcoolbp> nope
[22:29:24] <mrcoolbp> not displayed
[22:29:27] <Azrael> ahh
[22:29:35] <mrcoolbp> they are in the queue but not displayed on the main site
[22:29:56] <mrcoolbp> let's go into the story and edit it in the full editor panel
[22:30:26] <mrcoolbp> you'll notice clicking on the story doesn't take you directly there
[22:30:28] <Azrael> ok, now I see an update button :)
[22:30:39] <mrcoolbp> ah you already made it to the editor panel
[22:30:42] <mrcoolbp> yes
[22:30:49] <Azrael> I yeah, I had to click edit link after going in
[22:31:20] <mrcoolbp> look around, you can see the related stories, topics selector, the "display" checkbox
[22:32:13] <mrcoolbp> (that's because the stories list has links to the actual story page BTW)
[22:32:14] <Azrael> yes
[22:32:49] <mrcoolbp> there are a few things we don't use (much?)
[22:33:06] <mrcoolbp> notice the text next to "Author"
[22:33:22] <mrcoolbp> more warnings that someone else is in a similar story
[22:33:40] <Azrael> that Woods again
[22:33:56] <mrcoolbp> I'm not sure we have the image upload functionality fully hashed out yet
[22:33:56] * Woods winks
[22:34:01] <Woods> It is not.
[22:34:06] <mrcoolbp> that's what I thought
[22:34:22] <mrcoolbp> scroll down and you'll see "Extended Copy"
[22:34:41] <Azrael> that's for extra story after the cut?
[22:34:44] <mrcoolbp> yup
[22:34:55] <Azrael> and the media box?
[22:35:02] <mrcoolbp> I'm not sure about that one
[22:35:18] <paulej72> I think that is for a slashbox we do not use
[22:35:25] * Azrael nods
[22:35:47] <mrcoolbp> not the time the story is going out
[22:35:53] <mrcoolbp> these are always in UTC
[22:36:29] <mrcoolbp> no matter what timezone settings you use (those only affect display time on the stories page when viewing regularly AFAIK)
[22:36:47] <Azrael> *nods*
[22:37:12] <mrcoolbp> so that's most of it, that story is set to go out right now
[22:37:26] <mrcoolbp> in a few hours
[22:37:45] <mrcoolbp> I'm sure the other guys in here can fill in some of the gaps
[22:37:59] <Azrael> 20:42 would be in 5 minutes?
[22:38:04] <Woods> I make no promises.
[22:38:13] <Woods> Yes.
[22:38:24] * mrcoolbp is terrible at converting times
[22:38:35] <Azrael> helps as I'm a lot closer in time :D
[22:38:40] <mrcoolbp> hopefully that will be easier for you = )
[22:39:04] <Woods> Azrael: Try being +5 and observing daylight savings time.
[22:39:05] * mrcoolbp set's his watch to 24 hour mode and sulks in the corner
[22:39:14] <Woods> And using 12 hour mode.
[22:39:29] <Woods> Also illiterate
[22:39:35] <Woods> And dyslexic.
[22:39:44] <mrcoolbp> and kind of a dick sometimes
[22:40:01] <Woods> Sometimes?!
[22:40:13] <mrcoolbp> see ?
[22:40:15] <Woods> More like 42/7, baby
[22:40:20] <mrcoolbp> lol
[22:40:23] <Azrael> well I do think everyone should just use GMT and be done with it ;)
[22:40:32] <Woods> If only.
[22:40:35] <mrcoolbp> that would make this job easier for sure
[22:41:10] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: any questions so far?
[22:41:35] <Azrael> process-wise no, all seems rather straight forward
[22:41:59] <Azrael> the one question is how do I judge what should or should not be accepted?
[22:41:59] <mrcoolbp> we could let that story show up on the dev main page, just so you can feel special, but let's delete it after a few minutes just in case it get's run on the production server
[22:42:09] <Azrael> :D
[22:42:10] <mrcoolbp> Azrael that's part of the fun
[22:42:24] <mrcoolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[22:42:27] <Azrael> already has made it to front page :D
[22:42:42] <Woods> Azrael: This is where the thick skin part comes in handy.
[22:43:06] <Woods> Keep in mind that nothing you ever accept will be good enough for the readers, once you get past that, you will do fine.
[22:43:15] * mrcoolbp goes to flame the editor on that stupid story that just got posted to Dev
[22:43:21] <Azrael> So how do we now delete it? :)
[22:43:40] <mrcoolbp> notice you can edit the story by viewing it
[22:43:45] <mrcoolbp> then click "delete"
[22:44:01] <mrcoolbp> also there's a link to edit on the main page but it's a little smaller
[22:44:08] <mrcoolbp> (next to comments)
[22:44:30] <Woods> (Make sure you laugh maniacally when you delete things)
[22:44:44] <mrcoolbp> it's generally bad form to edit a story that's live, but I think you saw both of those rules got broken in the last 12 hours as they were exceptions to the rule
[22:44:56] <mrcoolbp> Woods: an excellent suggestion
[22:45:04] <Azrael> I see no delete link :/
[22:45:18] <mrcoolbp> go into the editor
[22:45:29] <Woods> Oh, Mrcoolbp, Editors cannot delete stories.
[22:45:30] <Azrael> yep
[22:45:34] <Azrael> lol
[22:45:44] <mrcoolbp> darn these super admin privledges!
[22:45:50] <Woods> Azrael: In this instance, you would just uncheck the "Display" box
[22:45:58] <Woods> The submission would go grey, and be removed from the site.
[22:45:58] <mrcoolbp> I was about to type that...
[22:46:04] <Azrael> and it goes grey :D
[22:46:58] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: while we're at it, go back to the story list
[22:47:06] <Woods> Mrcoolbp: I have edited stories for typos after they have gone live, but that rarely happens. Maybe just a couple of times.
[22:47:11] <Azrael> yep
[22:47:34] <mrcoolbp> woods when I do that, I usually respond to the comment that pointed it out, or try to beat them to the puch
[22:47:37] <mrcoolbp> punch*
[22:47:52] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: click on [5] "test"
[22:48:09] <Azrael> yep
[22:48:16] <mrcoolbp> notice it was red
[22:48:17] <mrcoolbp> then just click "update" without changing anything
[22:48:29] <mrcoolbp> = )
[22:48:30] * Azrael gasps :D
[22:49:18] <mrcoolbp> the rest of the job is pretty straight forward if you understand journalism in any capacity
[22:49:30] <mrcoolbp> however, if done right, it's still laborious
[22:49:31] <Azrael> boobs and racism sell, got it
[22:49:40] <mrcoolbp> well he has my vote
[22:49:58] <mrcoolbp> Ethanol Fuled, is that you? = )
[22:50:03] <Woods> lol
[22:50:18] * Azrael wonders what just wooshed over his head
[22:50:43] <Woods> No, I still have some faith in humanity. There is no way it could be him.
[22:50:55] <mrcoolbp> Ethanol-Fueled is our resident asshole (with a lick of intelligent discourse) but mostly asshow
[22:50:59] <mrcoolbp> er... asshole
[22:51:12] <Woods> He is a curious mix of smart and horrible.
[22:51:15] <mrcoolbp> yes
[22:51:21] <mrcoolbp> quite.
[22:51:31] <mrcoolbp> well, that's all I got for now Azrael
[22:51:54] <mrcoolbp> let us know if you have any questions, you can pretty much do whatever on dev
[22:52:59] <Azrael> okidoki, thank you for your time and help :D
[22:55:27] <mrcoolbp> my pleasure
[22:55:58] <Woods> Azrael: Do you have an idea of how often/what times you would be online and/or active on the site?
[22:58:23] <Azrael> Woods: hard to say and depends how much time it takes to do a piece of work. I'm generally online 9am til midnight. But some of that time ends up being spent of stupid things like work, eating, visiting the smallest room, etc. But there's scope to beig ableto give an hour or so most days.
[22:59:31] <Woods> "Visiting the smallest room"?
[22:59:46] <mrcoolbp> bathroom
[22:59:50] <Woods> Aahhhh
[22:59:59] <Azrael> ;)
[23:00:15] <Woods> Your region-specific colloquialisms are lost on me.
[23:00:20] <Azrael> Actually, turns out I piss in a cupboard :/
[23:00:51] <mrcoolbp> ah well that makes sense
[23:00:55] * mrcoolbp backs away slowly
[23:01:44] <Azrael> :D
[23:02:05] <Azrael> fortunately the channel is big enough to not qualify as the smallest room :D
[23:02:07] <Woods> Yes yes... When you say "Do a piece of work", what does that mean? Are you a carpenter perhaps?
[23:02:40] <Azrael> a piece of work would be 'editing a submission' or any other things an editor needs to do
[23:02:49] <Woods> Oh, right
[23:03:10] * mrcoolbp smacks Woods with a block of wood
[23:03:16] <Azrael> if it takes 5 minutes, I can do lots of 5 minuts pieces of work. If it needed an hour, would be hard to get a single hour chunk of time
[23:03:18] <Woods> Well at the very least, double-checking an already approved submission only takes like, 5 minutes.
[23:03:26] <Woods> I see.
[23:03:43] <Woods> Easy with that wood, Mrcoolbp. I have very sensitive skin.
[23:04:03] * mrcoolbp thought Woods was made of trees
[23:04:07] <Azrael> and some days I'm flat out and have no time at all :/
[23:04:18] <Woods> Mrcoolbp: Balsa.
[23:04:27] * LaminatorX awakens.
[23:04:29] <mrcoolbp> I would say it depends on the submission, some are "low-hanging fruit" some take a little more time/effort
[23:04:47] <Woods> Azrael: I know that feel. At my job I could be on SN for the entire 8 hours, or I could be busy the entire time.
[23:04:52] <mrcoolbp> but they all need thorough checking to avoid being flamed incessently
[23:05:14] <mrcoolbp> Hey LaminatorX, Azrael has some interest in editing
[23:05:32] <Woods> Yeah, actually approving a submission can take a bit. I think my longest was 40 minutes or so. I had to grab extra links, etc.
[23:05:40] <Azrael> I do also do some other volunteer work that may also take up my time, but I do need a few things to mix it up a bit
[23:06:10] <LaminatorX> You're the fellow from the UK who emailed, yeah?
[23:06:34] * Woods notes to Lammy: "Bloke"
[23:06:34] <Azrael> LaminatorX: One of them anyway :D
[23:06:57] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: I set him up with Author privs on Dev, we gave him a crash course
[23:07:06] * Azrael is still dented :(
[23:07:15] <LaminatorX> It'll buff out.
[23:07:48] <Azrael> phew
[23:08:18] <Azrael> there's got to be a joke in there about polishing a turd... but I wouldn't want to be the butt of the joke :/
[23:08:49] <mrcoolbp> perhaps you should re-consider editing
[23:09:24] <Azrael> editors are all butts?
[23:09:49] <Woods> Of jokes, at least.
[23:09:52] <mrcoolbp> have you met Woods?
[23:09:54] <mrcoolbp> lol
[23:10:35] <Woods> Great, Mrcoolbp... The new guy will think I am SUCH a horrible person.
[23:10:43] <Woods> When in reality, I am only a MOSTLY horrible person.
[23:10:45] <mrcoolbp> Sorry Woods, I'm just messin' around, I've had a long day already, it there's still 16 hours or more to got
[23:10:58] <mrcoolbp> long story
[23:11:06] <mrcoolbp> Woods: you'll get me back eventually
[23:11:12] <Azrael> Well a butt-joint is a woodworking joinery technique, so that would fit Woods :D
[23:11:19] <Woods> No worries, I got my editor britches on today.
[23:11:28] <Woods> lol
[23:11:51] <Azrael> and I am a carpenter now, it seems :D
[23:12:04] <mrcoolbp> So say they all
[23:12:13] <mrcoolbp> or something
[23:12:38] <LaminatorX> So Azrael, what is your time like?
[23:13:35] <Azrael> LaminatorX: massively variable, but probably an hour or so a day, sometimes more, sometimes less.
[23:14:00] <LaminatorX> Never mind, I just scrolled back.
[23:14:32] <LaminatorX> You can do a lot in an hour.
[23:15:35] <LaminatorX> Apart from the howto's, you need to have a thick skin for criticism, yet also be humble when you genuinely screw up.
[23:16:28] <mrcoolbp> well said
[23:16:44] <LaminatorX> Being a community born of being upset with how /. was run, we have a strong selection bias for emphatic complaining.
[23:16:54] <Azrael> I think I'm easy going enough to handle criticism and to mimic humility ;)
[23:18:11] <LaminatorX> People will call you a bad editor and say that the site is crashing and burning just because they don't like one story out of half a dozen on the front page.
[23:18:26] <mrcoolbp> eeyup
[23:19:44] <LaminatorX> For all that, it's fun to have your finger on the pulse of the community, and to guide discussions at times.
[23:20:25] <Azrael> what's the audience like, size-wise?
[23:20:46] <mrcoolbp> he said the "a-word" !
[23:20:49] * mrcoolbp runs
[23:21:10] <mrcoolbp> I'd say about 2.2K
[23:21:17] <mrcoolbp> (people)
[23:21:23] <LaminatorX> A bit over 4k registered community members, around half of which are avtive daily.
[23:21:36] <LaminatorX> "active"
[23:23:23] <Azrael> *nods* well that's not too daunting :)
[23:24:21] <LaminatorX> Some further number of folks who read and comment as Anonymous Cowards. I used yo be able to count unique IP visitors, but that doesn't seem to work since the last update. The devs are using a new stats tool I havent seen yet.
[23:24:40] <Azrael> my usual daily audience is ~15K (I unhumbly say?)... in front of whom I'm used to messing up and getting it pointed out ;)
[23:24:41] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: I have it pulled up
[23:26:09] <LaminatorX> "Audience" is also a loaded term, do to an unfortunate attempt at spin that one of the /. editors during the beta fiasco.
[23:28:11] <Azrael> ssssdddd
[23:28:29] <mrcoolbp> catts?
[23:29:06] <Azrael> my connection went weird :)
[23:29:43] <LaminatorX> Where is your usual place?
[23:33:23] <Azrael> I do social media for an organisation, so some g+/fb but mostly twitter
[23:34:01] <Azrael> I also sort of do their press releases, but trying to get away from that as quickly as I can
[23:36:50] <LaminatorX> New school chops, eh? Nice. That's different from the rest of us. I work in broadcasting and moonlight pretending to be a Mass communications professor, but still very much figured this out as we went along.
[23:37:29] <LaminatorX> It would be nice to have someone on the team with more modern media skills.
[23:37:50] <Azrael> it isn't the day job, just another spare time thing
[23:38:38] <LaminatorX> Do you play the banjo?
[23:39:06] <Azrael> nah, I think I mostly dislike music :)
[23:39:31] <Azrael> I should add that doing social media stuff doesn't mean I know what I'm doing or have skills to do it :D
[23:39:52] <LaminatorX> That's the spirit.
[23:40:47] <Azrael> suitably humble? ;)
[23:41:52] <LaminatorX> I need to run. If we haven't scared you off, oke around and get the hang of things on dev. I'll look over your stories tomorrow, and once you're comfortable we'll go from there.
[23:42:29] <Azrael> okidoki :D
[23:42:33] <Azrael> thanks for your time :D
[23:43:00] <LaminatorX> Glad to. :)
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