#editorial | Logs for 2014-05-29

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[15:55:08] <janrinok> hi guys
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[16:24:02] <LaminatorX> So, what's going on with the hidden self-driving car story?
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[16:34:27] <janrinok> Not sure - just found it that way
[16:41:32] <Woods> Oh, NCommander did not like the editing on it, so he removed it.
[16:42:14] <Woods> I am not quite clear on what should be done with it, so I have not touched it.
[16:43:15] <LaminatorX> Interesting.
[16:43:42] <Woods> I think specifically the M$ bit at the end.
[16:43:54] <janrinok> I can't see anything that would cause it to be pulled - it's not the most exciting story of the day, but it is better than many that have been published.
[16:44:43] <paulej72> I think we need to just remove the parenthical at the end and it will be ok.
[16:45:08] <paulej72> It is really annoying with the bold and all
[16:45:34] <LaminatorX> The headline wasn't capitalized properly, the MZ zing was unneccessary, and it could really use a paragraph break. I'll handle it.
[16:46:08] <janrinok> LaminatorX to the rescue....
[16:46:52] <Woods> Thanks, Lammy. At least it was not a dupe (Again). I may need to go through training again, lol.
[16:48:10] <janrinok> Woods: I had assumed that it was only _partly_ edited - you could have got away with that one....
[16:48:35] <Woods> Dang it. I mean... Yeah totally
[16:48:40] <janrinok> lol
[16:48:41] <Woods> I just got, busy or something... Yeah.
[16:50:07] <LaminatorX> We've all been tired/distracted at some point.
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[17:17:49] <mattie_p> discussion in #staff regarding proposed bylaws, join us if you want.
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[19:36:07] <janrinok> hi n1
[19:42:50] <n1> hi janrinok
[19:42:56] <n1> how are you?
[19:49:04] <janrinok> fine thx and you?
[19:50:26] <n1> can't complain, been very busy. apologies for my erratic editing.
[19:50:50] <janrinok> I hope that things are going well at work? How was Germany?
[19:53:13] <n1> germany was great, thanks. a crazy experience
[19:53:37] <janrinok> a good gig then. Did you enjoy the beer, sorry, bier?
[19:55:06] <n1> the beer was good, didn't really try anything special though - we drank our way a few miles from the central station to the hotel then went to the gig from there.
[19:56:23] <janrinok> sore head in the morning then? Anyway, glad it went well.
[19:57:04] <n1> heh, everything went well except the person responsible booked the wrong flights back, in a month from now.
[19:57:22] <janrinok> lol
[19:58:21] <n1> the one time i don't plan this shit... nearly £400 on my credit card to solve the problem
[19:58:25] <n1> but it's all good
[19:58:36] <janrinok> the best ending evar!
[19:58:42] <n1> lol
[20:00:43] <n1> couple of stories that caught my eye today; http://www.washingtontimes.com
[20:01:16] <n1> http://en.ria.ru
[20:01:42] <n1> not sure about submitting though, should wait, especially on the second.
[20:04:30] <janrinok> I'd leave that decision for a US ed - it's not something that I would want on a tech site but it is probably newsworthy to any Americans. I had already heard some reports about the Ukrainian losses but this article seems to suggest that they are far worse than had been thought. There is no way - IMHO - that this is 'armed local defence forces' at work. This is a state sponsored act, I believe.
[20:07:39] <n1> i'm waiting to see if a 'western' news agency picks it up on ukraine.
[20:08:33] <n1> just dropping the links in for reference on the 'stuff that matters' basis
[20:08:52] <janrinok> np with that.
[20:09:12] <janrinok> I'd want an independant source for the second article.
[20:11:30] <n1> i will settle for opposing biases using the same source ;)
[20:12:21] <janrinok> ok - that's close enough..
[20:30:58] <LaminatorX> Washtimes quoting anonymous sources in an anti-obama piece isn't supercredible either.
[20:31:27] <LaminatorX> They do link to the document though.
[20:32:56] <janrinok> It depends on how you read it - I suspect that every government says that the armed forces will provide support of all kinds during emergencies - In the UK it is known as Aid-To-the-Civil-Power (ATCP) operations.
[20:33:27] <janrinok> And in Northern Ireland, we had armed troops on the streets in support of local LE.
[20:35:21] <janrinok> Russian news is reporting 100 dead in Donetsk.
[20:36:19] <LaminatorX> The "within the bounds of applicable law" and "no armed drones" parts make this seem like not much of a thing.
[20:36:52] <janrinok> agreed - but if you've never been aware of such things in the past it might come as a bit of a shock when first seen in print.
[20:39:41] <LaminatorX> I was expecting the National Gaurd to get involved if the Bundy thing escelated.
[20:40:04] <LaminatorX> But then it's always been legal for them to be used that way.
[20:41:17] <janrinok> I had to look Bundy up on Goog... You had me there for a moment.
[20:42:31] <LaminatorX> The response to our previous Ukraine coverage has been pretty solid.
[20:43:09] <LaminatorX> What, you don't pay attention to neighborhood insurrections half-a-world away?
[20:43:24] <janrinok> No - there are too many of them..
[20:45:27] <janrinok> Yes, but these are both Russian based sources who have a lot to gain by over-stating the desire of Eastern Ukraine to be part of Russia. I'd like another report from a different source before quoting the figures. Not saying that they are wrong - but I could not call them to be convincing either.
[20:45:36] <LaminatorX> I'm seein multiple reports of an aircraft downed in Ukraine, but nothing outside of the RIA Novosti story with specifics of ground fighting.
[20:46:50] <janrinok> The BBC has reported 2 aircraft and, I think, 11 dead today. But the other figures need substantiating or simply quoting as 'significant numbers of dead' or somesuch weasel words.
[20:49:21] <LaminatorX> War Nerd has been silent since last Fall, oddly. Maybe Gary got a better dayjob.
[20:51:32] <LaminatorX> UINAN has the second chopper story too, but no more engagement details: http://www.unian.info
[20:54:39] <janrinok> I can't find any other figures for the ground fighting - only Russian sources all linking to each other.
[20:55:11] <janrinok> bbl
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[22:20:44] <n1> hey Bytram
[22:21:36] <Bytram> n1: hiya!
[22:21:53] <Bytram> can't even spell my own nick!
[22:21:56] <Bytram> :/
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[22:22:20] <n1> i can't even spell my own name...
[22:22:50] <n1> i write my full name so rarely i always have to think about it when i need to.
[22:22:58] <n1> how are things for you, Bytram?
[22:23:18] <Bytram> okay, thanks. have day off and am busier, it seems, than when I am working!
[22:23:50] <Bytram> was trying to rouse up someone from IRC staff; #wiki has not been logged for a few weeks.
[22:24:38] <n1> hope todays busy is better than work busy
[22:25:31] <Bytram> n1: yes, it is! Catching up on some long-procrastinated stuff.
[22:25:54] <Bytram> how's things for you?
[22:27:30] <n1> things are ok, been very busy myself (resulting in my SN absence)
[22:27:49] <n1> it's been good to see my dad though
[22:29:07] <n1> also had an interesting conversation today about a project to build a luxury yurt lol
[22:30:50] <Bytram> wot? "Luxury Yurt"????
[22:31:22] <Bytram> I think Iknow what a yurt is, and luxury is not something I'd normally associate with one!!!!!
[22:31:51] <n1> heh yeah
[22:32:16] <n1> i think it's like 'glamping' if you've ever heard of that
[22:32:34] <Bytram> nope. that's a new one on me.
[22:32:42] * Bytram is almost afraid to ask!
[22:32:46] <n1> people go camping but take all the luxuries with them
[22:32:55] <n1> so it's not really camping
[22:32:57] <Bytram> ah. got it.
[22:33:06] <Bytram> don't want to glamp their style?
[22:33:12] <Bytram> =)
[22:33:15] <n1> lol
[22:33:54] <Bytram> here's a word I coined; guess what it means? Gling.
[22:34:09] <n1> now i'm afraid to ask
[22:34:14] <Bytram> GLamour + blING
[22:34:34] <Bytram> hard tosay without smiling, too!
[22:35:11] <n1> i could see it in a rap song, not a very good one though lol
[22:35:53] <Bytram> lol!
[22:36:33] <Bytram> here's bling which is just lots shiny stuff, and then there's glamour, which may not involve much shiny, but is more an "air" about things.
[22:36:54] <Bytram> so, tastefully designed and worn bling would be "Gling"
[22:38:38] <n1> I'm not sure bling can ever be tasteful
[22:39:02] <Bytram> you're getting there!
[22:39:34] <Bytram> bling is an austentatious (sp?) display of shiny stuff (e.g. honking big diamond earrings)
[22:39:44] <n1> aye
[22:40:19] <Bytram> gling would be above average-sized diamond studs, that complement one's appearance, rather than try and distract the eye from looking at the person.
[22:42:00] <Bytram> similarly for, say, a watch. Timex would be an every-day, so-so watch. Rolex with diamonds is more in the Bling category. A nice Movado or Swiss Army would be more in the Gling category.
[22:42:33] <n1> i get what you mean, just personally don't like jewellery
[22:43:41] <Bytram> oh. Yeah, I don't wear any jewely, either. Just have a nice Seiko watch. That's it for adornment for me, and it's mostly a practical thing, rather than for "pretty-ification".
[22:45:18] <n1> yeah, a watch can be different, as a functional item.
[22:45:32] <Bytram> bingo.
[22:48:12] <n1> but to the people who do enjoy such things, i may just be a 'hater'.
[22:49:27] <Bytram> whatevah. to each their own. I am willing to dress nicely for work (dress shirt, tie, and a jacket), but am more comfortable with just jeans and a polo shirt.
[22:49:55] <Bytram> others I know, would not think of leaving their home without dressing "well".
[23:10:36] <n1> i understand why people enjoy dressing 'well', not for me though but i accept in some situations it's deemed appropriate
[23:11:17] <Bytram> n1: yup, I understand it, but it's not my "thing", either.
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