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[15:50:26] <mrcoolbp|zzz> woods
[15:50:36] <Woods> Hi
[15:50:40] <mrcoolbp|zzz> looks like the queue needs-a-fillin'
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[15:50:51] <mrcoolbp> just you and me good sir?
[15:50:55] <Woods> Yup, I got a couple on there to tide us over for now
[15:50:57] <Woods> I believe so
[15:51:11] * mrcoolbp checks "Air purifying builboards"
[15:51:30] <Woods> I have actual work I have to do this week though. My boss is on vacation, and he is the only other one in this department.
[15:52:06] <mrcoolbp> tell me about it, I've been down a man or two on my 4 man team for the past month
[15:52:09] <Woods> If you can get a couple more in there, I can fill it out more when I get a chance.
[15:52:11] <Woods> Oy
[15:52:15] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[15:52:24] <mrcoolbp> I'll see what I can do here
[15:52:29] <Woods> Sweet.
[15:53:43] * mrcoolbp is goin' to need some mo coffee
[15:59:50] <Bytram> I pushed a story out to fill the queue, too. Not the best story, but filled a hole. could use a second look.
[16:00:21] <Bytram> Woods: I'll take a look at your emails story
[16:00:45] <Woods> k
[16:00:47] <Bytram> oops, too late. already posted. :/
[16:01:27] <Woods> Never too late to check for errors :P
[16:01:55] <Woods> I do not see yours. Unless you are Martyb?
[16:02:01] <Woods> Oh, right.. Reverse, man, I am awesome
[16:02:10] <Bytram> Woods: yup. only change I would make is adding an oxford comma, but that was a quote from the source, so leave it be.
[16:02:44] <Woods> Oh dang, someone is having an issue, I may be gone for a bit.
[16:02:57] <Bytram> no worries; good luck!
[16:09:09] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: where do we stand with RSS including the summaries?
[16:09:26] <mrcoolbp> https://soylentnews.org
[16:09:59] <paulej72> have not even looked at the code yet
[16:12:13] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: it's target for 14.06, does that have a date associated with it?
[16:12:20] * mrcoolbp doesn't know much about our milestones
[16:13:02] <Bytram> paulej72: did you make more changes to the themes on dev.sn.org? Night mode now comes up as black-gray-and-white for me. Could be a script thing depending on sn.org instead of dev.sn.org, too.
[16:15:53] <paulej72> Bytram: fixing now
[16:16:08] <Bytram> paulej72: so it wasn't just me?
[16:16:42] <paulej72> no, i pasted in a new css file, and i must have saved without actually pasting
[16:17:02] <paulej72> fixed Bytram
[16:17:07] <Bytram> lol. I've done that myself many times!
[16:17:12] <Bytram> on my way.
[16:17:35] <Bytram> !woop
[16:17:36] <deadpeas> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[16:17:45] <Bytram> paulej72++ Looks great!
[16:17:45] <deadpeas> karma - paulej72: 2
[16:18:00] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: two work-arounds for the RSS thing are provided by users
[16:18:34] <mrcoolbp> one is in the comments here https://github.com
[16:18:44] <paulej72> Just an FYI I have been pulling out junk in the night.css files so if you seen any breakages in features let me know as I’ll need to put the code back in.
[16:18:55] <mrcoolbp> paulej73: the other is in this journal entry: http://soylentnews.org
[16:19:13] <mrcoolbp> er paulej72
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[17:45:57] <Bytram> n1: Hi there!
[17:46:05] <n1> hi Bytram
[17:46:08] <n1> hows things
[17:46:10] <Bytram> how's it going?
[17:46:23] <Bytram> ll
[17:46:24] <Bytram> lol
[17:46:40] <Bytram> Been working on stories, comments, etc. you?
[17:46:49] <n1> been busy with work mostly
[17:47:16] <Bytram> keeping busy is a good thing for me. this is my first day off after 6 days in a row.
[17:48:03] <n1> well, you certainly deserve a day off though. working can be good if done right, even most days.
[17:48:27] <Bytram> doing it right is the challenge, of course!
[17:48:32] <Bytram> I've got a favor to ask.
[17:48:42] <Bytram> I've got a story in the queue to go out at 17:55.
[17:48:45] <n1> couple of thoughts on the stories... timings need to be moved around a little, as your H1B story is due to publish only a few minutes after
[17:48:49] <n1> sure
[17:49:28] <Bytram> yup, same observation. Mine was in the queue earlier todday, any chance you could reschedule your 17:42 one?
[17:50:17] <n1> i saw you were working on it when i first got on, i actually came on here to ask if you were going to be saving it or not
[17:50:26] <n1> there's a second submission covering the same story
[17:50:38] <n1> i'll move the 1742 one
[17:50:48] <Bytram> second submission?
[17:51:10] <n1> you're not editing the SuperPAC story are you, says you're onit.
[17:51:42] <n1> https://soylentnews.org(some)+H1B+Spouses+to+Work
[17:51:46] <Bytram> no,I'm not. I opened it to see what it was about, that's all.
[17:51:51] <n1> ok
[17:53:22] <Bytram> thanks for that link. it's a more balanced story.
[17:54:05] <n1> if you 'merge' the second one into itself, then delete it.. copy over anything interesting and include it in the story already in the queue
[17:54:11] <n1> or i can do that if you want
[17:54:59] <n1> or accept it, untick display and include/copy over anything interesting to the already queued
[17:55:04] <Bytram> n1: go ahead. I just got out of anything related to either story.
[17:55:13] <n1> ok
[17:55:49] <Bytram> yeah, that would be a good workaround. will keep it in mind in the future. that way, both authors get credit for the story.
[17:56:55] <Bytram> n1: let me know when you're done and I'll give it a look-see.
[18:01:55] <n1> either works as a way, the unticked display leaves the story queue untidy, but the merge and delete method leaves 'article missing' or similar links on the submitters profile
[18:02:33] <n1> i've basically removed the first paragraph now from the original story, a bit too 'emotional' compared to the other submission
[18:03:34] <Bytram> makes sense. There's no simple way, is there? Agreed on the first story; it was inflamatory.
[18:03:39] <Bytram> I'll go take a look.
[18:04:16] <n1> i havnt saved yet
[18:04:36] <Bytram> heh. I noticed! brb, nature calls.
[18:06:53] <n1> ok, should be ready now
[18:09:06] <Bytram> ok, I'm back. will take a look.
[18:11:46] <Bytram> n1: looks much better. One thing I try to avoid is "long" link text which basically include the entire title of the link in it. Am trying to think of how to shorten it a bit.
[18:12:05] <Bytram> got it. hold on.
[18:15:39] <n1> yeah, i generally avoid that also
[18:18:42] <Bytram> n1: okay, I updated it. please take a look.
[18:19:37] <n1> looks good
[18:19:46] <Bytram> great! thanks for all the help!
[18:20:07] <Bytram> n1: is there anything I can look at for you?
[18:21:36] <Bytram> just noticed a minor typo in the ask soylent news story. brb
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[18:27:21] <Bytram> n1: am adding URLs for the various listed tools
[18:28:04] <n1> ?
[18:28:12] <n1> oh rght
[18:28:15] <n1> right*
[18:28:49] <n1> i might have been rushing a bit, just planned on checking in when i first signed on.
[18:30:33] <n1> and thanks to mrcoolbp for adding the blockquote to the Atom story :)
[18:31:08] <mrcoolbp> I changed a few minor things, but I don't think I added that actually
[18:31:48] <n1> is only you and i who updated it apparently
[18:32:08] <n1> unless there's now editing gremlins
[18:32:29] <Bytram> just don't get them wet
[18:32:53] <n1> while they're doing a good job, we should take care of them :p
[18:34:26] <Bytram> n1: maybe offer them a midnight snack?
[18:38:00] <n1> heheh
[18:38:45] <n1> doing anything good with your day off, Bytram?
[18:39:42] <Bytram> been here all morning. :)
[18:40:14] <Bytram> n1: I updated the ask soylent article. want to put in a link for CMOV instruction but not sure how. please check the links and wording.
[18:42:37] <Bytram> hmm, "Unsafe Air Pollution..."?? is there safe air pollution? hmmm. Ah! "Unsafe Air Quality..."; brb
[18:43:07] <n1> well, i think that levels of pollution are to be expected and are 'normal'
[18:43:34] <n1> but the extent of pollution is beyond that 'normal' or 'safe' level
[18:43:45] <Bytram> how abouth, "Unsafe Air for 90% of People In Urban Centres"
[18:44:01] <n1> sounds good
[18:44:07] <Bytram> "Air Quality Unsafe for 90%..." ??
[18:44:16] <n1> yeah thats better
[18:44:49] <Bytram> dept: pollution-means-jobs-means-pollution
[18:44:52] <n1> i checked the links on ask soylent, all seems good, there was some stray <a> tags which i removed
[18:45:02] <n1> cool
[18:45:15] <Bytram> thanks! It was a QUICK blast through there searching and pasting them in.
[18:45:51] <Bytram> n1: as for the dept in the air pollution story, how about: "pollution-means-jobs-means-pollution"
[18:46:00] <n1> ive done it before, i usually screw it up when i copy paste them around and leave a > behind
[18:46:11] <n1> yeah, i like it.
[18:46:37] <Bytram> yup! better dept: "holding-my-breath-until-it-improves"
[18:46:57] <Bytram> or "not-holding-my-breeath-oh-wait"
[18:47:45] <n1> what ever you think really
[18:48:16] <n1> i spend too long on them sometimes, overthinking/dont think enough/too obvious/too obscure
[18:48:35] <n1> generally, if my first thought works, i just go with it... otherwise i spend longer working on dept titles than anything else
[18:48:46] <Bytram> n1: agreed. then again, that's where the fun is!
[18:49:32] <n1> oh indeed, it can be a lot of fun
[18:49:53] <n1> sometimes when the stories are really serious, it's not, or when there's some writers block
[18:50:32] <n1> it's worth it for the really good ones
[18:51:13] <Bytram> n1: I find it to be a useful way to introduce a counterposition to that presented in the story.
[18:52:19] <n1> an example of a story where it's not easy/impossible... the Jailing Women for Using Drugs Whilst Pregnant
[18:52:23] <Woods> My favorite stories come from the "but will it blend" department.
[18:52:39] <Bytram> Woods: lol!
[18:52:48] <Bytram> n1++ yup.
[18:52:48] <deadpeas> karma - n1: 5
[18:52:54] <n1> I just couldn't come up with anything for that, and didn't feel it was right to.
[18:53:22] <n1> Woods, i have a paranoia that if i reuse a dept title, it would just be lazy
[18:53:23] <Bytram> story is already to visceral; doesn't add anything to the discussion.
[18:54:15] <Woods> n1: I think the only department I would reuse is the blending one, but the circumstance would be rare. I have only used it once so far.
[18:55:50] <n1> i think it would work more than once for sure... and in a more serious but discreet way, it can connect stories that arn't directly linked
[18:56:57] <n1> rather than looking at each story as an aberration.
[18:56:59] <Bytram> agreed. kind of suggests a "genre" for the story. hints to others posted along the same vein, even if not directly related.
[18:57:13] <n1> yeah
[18:57:19] <n1> glad you understand what i mean lol
[18:57:22] <Bytram> or, as the case may be, along the same vain!
[18:57:42] <Bytram> then again, depending on how the wind is blowing, along the same vane!
[18:57:47] <n1> rofl
[18:57:52] * Bytram chuckles at himself
[18:57:57] <n1> that was a good one
[18:58:44] <Bytram> a vain attempt at parody having just recently referenced "The Wind Done Gone"
[19:00:25] <n1> got to say i had never heard of 'the wind done gone'
[19:01:58] <Bytram> n1: see pm
[19:08:47] <Bytram> n1: omg, for a good laugh, take a look at the comments on: http://soylentnews.org
[19:08:56] <Bytram> the middle initials story
[19:12:46] <n1> yeah, it's a good story
[19:12:53] <n1> and a lot more comments than i would have anticipated
[19:13:15] <n1> the comments encouraged me to comment, which is a good thing
[19:13:24] <Bytram> don't know about "good", but it was interesting. OTOH, the comments are hilarious!
[19:13:27] <n1> and it wasnt a comment defending or taking responsibility for editorial decisions
[19:13:36] <Bytram> n1++
[19:13:36] <deadpeas> karma - n1: 6
[19:13:50] <n1> i think it's good in that it brings attentions to our perceptions that we may not even realize we have
[19:15:04] <Bytram> an absolutely brilliant(LOL!) observation.
[19:15:56] <n1> i just got a reply to my comment, which i found interesting
[19:16:32] <Bytram> i had mod points and gave you both a +1 insightful. they deserved it!
[19:16:55] <n1> lol
[19:17:01] <n1> the system works!
[19:17:45] <Bytram> yup. I spent 7 points on that story. the laughter made my day!
[19:18:00] <n1> you made a good choice of story there
[19:18:18] <Bytram> speaking of which, it's the first really nice weather we've had in a while. I think I'm gonna grab a bite to eat and take advantage of it.
[19:18:34] <Bytram> have a great day and thanks for the help/feedback. Always a pleasure!
[19:18:37] <n1> sounds like a very good idea.
[19:18:41] <n1> take care, Bytram
[19:18:42] <n1> :)
[19:18:47] <Bytram> and the same to yoU!
[19:24:23] <Bytram> Woods: heads up on the billboard story: "100,000 cubic meters of air daily" but then "around 500,000 cubic meters of air within one week in March"
[19:25:32] <Bytram> match suggests it should be either 70,000 daily or about 700,000 each week. don't know which is correct.
[19:25:36] <Bytram> s/match/math/
[19:26:38] <Woods> Hm, good catch. I am a dumb American, the metric system confuses me, and I tend to gloss over numbers like that.
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[19:28:39] <Bytram> Woods: from the linked article: "UTEC says it keeps metrics on the actual amounts, and measures them daily: it told me that between March 24-30, 49,800 people benefitted from 489,000 cubic meters of purified air, and that its billboard managed to eliminate 99 percent of the airborne bacteria from that total."
[19:28:53] <Bytram> don't know if that includes or excludes the start/end dates.
[19:30:40] <Bytram> I didn't see the "100,000" figure in the article; am looking at the spanish original :/
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[19:31:02] <janrinok> hi guys
[19:31:30] <Bytram> janrinok: Hi!
[19:31:45] <janrinok> hi Bytram how's things?
[19:32:35] <Bytram> janrinok: good. trying to fix an error in a current story. brb
[19:32:49] <janrinok> ok no
[19:32:52] <janrinok> np
[19:33:46] <Bytram> found the 100,000 figure as well as 489,000 for the week. will put those numbers in story and add an editor's note
[19:34:23] <janrinok> no idea what you are talking about - but good, carry on!
[19:35:52] <Bytram> the air-cleaning billboard article.
[19:37:00] <janrinok> Ah, I suppose I ought to read that one then....
[19:39:16] <weeds> hello
[19:39:37] <janrinok> hi weeds
[19:43:45] <weeds> hello again. Do you know if poutine has made any story submissions?
[19:44:44] <janrinok> Hang on I can check
[19:44:59] <Bytram> look at: http://soylentnews.org
[19:45:30] <janrinok> no 5 comments, no mods, no submissions.
[19:45:32] <Bytram> I do not see any submissions there.
[19:46:00] <weeds> That's what I thought. In this day of internet meme's and considering that editors are so very concerned with the language....
[19:46:01] <Bytram> then again, there may be another nick that the same person uses. no simple way to tell.
[19:46:09] <weeds> Good enough
[19:46:23] <weeds> I have a definition for you:
[19:46:34] <weeds> :)
[19:46:39] <weeds> poutine - noun 1. One who criticizes the efforts of others to make themselves look better. "Dude, Slashdot went all beta so we started our own site. The poutines came out of the woodwork." 2. One who sits on the sidelines and snipes, providing minimal useful input and never any assistance. "Look at this guy's comments - 'Overkill and a little sensationalist', 'weev is a piece of shit', 'Goodbye SoylentNews', 'I barely knew ya', 'Te
[19:47:14] <weeds> Terribly written Summary' and he's never submitted a single article. WHat a poutine!
[19:48:07] * Bytram notes that weeds just poutine'ed himself according to definition 1 =)
[19:48:11] <Woods> Weeds: I have only heard poutine used in reference to an edible snack.
[19:49:07] <weeds> Bytram: Ha! but I have submitted and I have made positive comments :)
[19:49:26] <weeds> Wxcepting for that one posting
[19:49:39] <weeds> s/W/E/
[19:49:44] <n1> poutine was very active early on, at the freenode channel
[19:49:46] <Bytram> yes, but def 1 still applies, eh?
[19:49:51] <Bytram> =)
[19:50:07] <n1> before the site went live, he had nothing good to say then either.
[19:50:37] <weeds> eh, It was a risk to say it ... I went for the humor
[19:51:09] <Bytram> not that I recall, no. otoh, inasmuchaspossible, I try to encourage others to grow; few people improve with criticism.
[19:51:45] <weeds> Bytram: You are a good man.
[19:51:54] <n1> if you dont know, you wont get it. it works for me though.
[19:52:06] <Bytram> thanks. I often fall short of that ideal, but it *is* something I try to aim for.
[19:52:12] <n1> constructive criticism is very important
[19:52:18] <weeds> I'm reminded of the excellent developer who was a giant pita to everyone on staff and most customers. I tried for 2
[19:52:23] <n1> it doesn't have to be negative
[19:52:35] <weeds> years to develop him. Eventually, I fired him. Reality
[19:53:18] <Bytram> "There's some that doesn't know and that you just can't tell."
[19:53:20] <n1> the very talented are usually quite hard to work with
[19:53:31] <n1> but the results can be worth it
[19:53:39] <janrinok> hi n1, long time no chat. How's things in 'sunny' UK?
[19:54:06] <weeds> n1: indeed. The "devils advocate, "the loyal opposition" very important elements.
[19:54:31] <Bytram> cost/benefit analysis can be tricky. especially if their contributions drag down the rest of the crew. Is it really a net win for the organization?
[19:54:38] <Bytram> some benefits are too expensive.
[19:54:55] <n1> hey, janrinok. been quite busy the last few days but things are well and the weather hasn't been terrible. it was a pleasant day yesterday.
[19:55:06] <n1> everything well with you?
[19:55:11] <weeds> n1: In this case, the effect on the other staff made it no longer worth it. The net gain was releasing him.
[19:55:19] <janrinok> what's this 'yesterday' crap - how about today?
[19:55:47] <n1> i understand weeds, every case is an individual one, and if it's ruining how the rest of the team works together, it's not going to help.
[19:55:55] <janrinok> I'm good but had a long day taking delivery of our new modified car for Soph. Nothing ever goes quite as I planned...
[19:56:08] <Bytram> weeds: sorry you had to deal with that. it's a tough situation to be in. we've got a person like that in our department.
[19:56:43] <Bytram> we have a relatively new manager who doesn't take any BS and I see things change somewhat.
[19:57:05] <Bytram> I suspect within the year they'll either change or be gone.
[19:57:19] <n1> janrinok, nothing ever does.
[19:57:33] <n1> i hope the new car is good though
[19:58:02] <Bytram> janrinok: sensor article looks familiar, but not sure why. I may have seen it on Ars, or it may be a dupe for us. Dunno.
[19:59:10] <Bytram> IIRC, it was something about a "sensor" working as a "fingerprint" for a phone.
[19:59:19] <janrinok> I thought the same, but I couldn't find it in the list. It is not a terribly original idea, but it has some interesting statistics. I hadn't seen the original source before and it was dated 1 May.
[19:59:36] <n1> https://soylentnews.org
[20:00:47] <janrinok> That one is about the accelerometer sensors, this one is about the CCD image sensors.
[20:00:49] <Bytram> n1: yup! that's the one.
[20:01:03] <n1> oooo
[20:01:14] <n1> so now we need a couple weeks for the story about comparing the two
[20:01:15] <n1> ?
[20:01:15] <janrinok> This one leaves the 'fingerprint' inside the image itself.
[20:01:16] <Bytram> janrinok: might be useful to refer back to the accelerometer article in the CCD story?
[20:01:44] <weeds> n1: It was a hassle, but these things happen.
[20:02:24] <janrinok> I'm not sure I agree, they are serving very different purposes. One is for tracking the device, the other is for identifying who took what image.
[20:04:22] <janrinok> And the accelerometer story only applies to smart phones, the CCD story applies to any modern digital camera.
[20:05:28] <Bytram> different stories, yes. I'd suggest linking to the accelerometer story in the CCD story. "We previously covered device identification in <a href="https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/04/29/1752227">Smartphone Sensors Leave Trackable Fingerprints</a>."
[20:05:39] <Bytram> something like that.
[20:06:59] <janrinok> OK, but I'm not sure that it is a good idea. To me they are very different things, but if you feel it might confuse someone, I'll put it in.
[20:07:41] <n1> i'd say this is one of those kind of 'somewhat linked' stories even though they are quite different and unrelated.
[20:09:07] <Bytram> yes. both permit the identification of a device. Maybe not perfectly, but used in concert with other "device sensor fingerprinting" could provide nearly perfect identification; cf the EFF's panoptoclick(?) web site.
[20:14:19] <janrinok> Anybody else having problems with the site - it is very slow.
[20:15:34] <janrinok> Site has died on me. Anyone else?
[20:15:35] <n1> it seems to have just started to go really slow
[20:15:37] <n1> yeah
[20:15:44] <n1> i thought it was my connection
[20:16:47] <n1> site appears to be down
[20:17:19] <Bytram> yup, it's slow. Am launching the site monitoring page
[20:18:25] <janrinok> coming up slowly
[20:18:56] <Bytram> took over a minute, but the main page is just now coming up for me.
[20:19:34] <janrinok> already reported on #staff and is now recovering for me
[20:25:07] <janrinok> Bytram: are you working on that NeRD story?
[20:25:25] <Bytram> janrinok: not me.
[20:25:36] <janrinok> sry Bytram , that should have been n1
[20:25:42] <janrinok> n1:^^^
[20:25:42] <Bytram> actually, I need to get going about my day.
[20:25:52] <janrinok> hve a good one Bytram!
[20:26:04] <n1> janrinok, i looked at it but not working on it yet, no
[20:26:05] <Bytram> no worries =)
[20:26:15] <janrinok> OK I'll take it.
[20:26:20] <n1> laters, Bytram
[20:27:56] <n1> i'm going to have dinner with some friends this evening but i will probably do some more stories when i get back around 00:00UTC
[20:28:17] <janrinok> OK n1 have a good one - there is not much in the sub queue at the moment anyway.
[20:29:32] <n1> i'm sure i will thanks, still here for a bit though.
[20:29:59] <n1> i think the iphone story is a dupe
[20:31:52] <Bytram> n1: I think you're right.
[20:33:32] <janrinok> Just out of interest - are you guys sending rejection explanations to submitters?
[20:39:56] <n1> if there's an email to send one to attatched to the submission, i do
[20:42:19] <janrinok> well, that's 2 of us then......
[20:49:21] <janrinok> I've sent emails to 2 dupes and deleted them, n1
[20:50:29] <janrinok> And deleted one of my own submissions as it is now over 5 days old. The queue is not looking healthy.
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[21:06:57] <Bytram> I've not rejected any stories.
[21:07:22] <Bytram> btw, I just submitted a story to the queue; we were looking a little lean there.
[21:08:06] <janrinok> I know - not good for mid-week. We usually want to be saving a few for the weekend but not much chance of that.
[21:08:29] <Bytram> well, I really gtg; have a great day all.
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[21:08:41] <janrinok> have a good one and take care.
[21:08:49] <Bytram|away> janrinok: same to you!!!
[21:08:51] <LaminatorX> C-ya
[21:08:56] <janrinok> Hi LaminatorX
[21:09:02] <Bytram|away> LaminatorX: au revoir!
[21:09:07] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[21:09:14] <janrinok> how's things?
[21:09:15] <Bytram|away> LOL!
[21:10:00] <LaminatorX> I'm once again whiling away the workday with dozens of local commercials.
[21:10:33] <LaminatorX> The best cinematography that the car-dealer's nepher had to offer.
[21:10:42] <LaminatorX> "nephew"
[21:11:09] <janrinok> lol - could be worse....
[21:11:45] <LaminatorX> Political stuff is starting to show up. It's vile, but at least professionally produced.
[21:16:01] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I've given myself a severe telling off for my sarcastic response (http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=1694&cid=40473). I'm just tired I guess. But I felt better for saying it even if it was out of place....
[21:17:46] <janrinok> Its now been modded up as 'Funny' - who would have thought.
[21:19:00] <LaminatorX> It maybe went a little far, but really we've all thought it.
[21:19:49] <LaminatorX> Oh hey, I did find the stream from our concert the other night. It doesn't start at the beginning, unfortunately: http://www.ustream.tv
[21:20:06] <janrinok> watching it now!
[21:25:10] <janrinok> er, 2hours, I'd better download and watch it in stages.
[21:25:17] <janrinok> make that 3 hours....
[21:25:47] <janrinok> although I appreciate that 3 hours is probably not all your band ....
[21:26:32] <LaminatorX> We are about the first fifteen minutes.
[21:27:01] <LaminatorX> There should be a stream option, rather than download.
[21:27:47] <janrinok> np - it downloads in less than 5 mins.
[21:28:11] <LaminatorX> Nice.
[21:29:21] <janrinok> and that's while I'm also downloading an ISO, and doing various other things. Might be rural here but the connection is not too bad.
[21:30:33] <janrinok> so who are the other guys in the line-up? how did you all meet?
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[21:31:39] <LaminatorX> I went to college with the bassist, I used to be married to the guitarist's sister, and I played in a giant Christmas Sing-along group with the violinist.
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[21:34:48] <janrinok> I'm enjoying this very much. thx for the link
[21:35:29] <LaminatorX> Great.
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[21:51:52] <janrinok> not so keen on the follow-on acts
[21:52:21] <LaminatorX> All over the map, as you might expect.
[21:52:44] <LaminatorX> There was one of the rappers I dug,
[21:52:45] <janrinok> yeah, I like the idea of the open mic though - its not something we see here
[21:53:48] <LaminatorX> The Gramophone really goes all out for theirs, which is gratifying. They view it as a talent incubator.
[21:55:23] <LaminatorX> Others are usially have less staging, but can be more intimate and have poets mixed in.
[21:55:47] <janrinok> It's certainly a good idea. I like the local customs and music here - very celtic and olde-worlde, and they are keen on maintaining their distinct culture and language. Then things go to the other end of the spectrum where it is all rappers and loud music, which is really not my thing at all.
[21:59:57] <LaminatorX> There's some French rap that I like, but a lot of it ends up feeling like caricature, at least to my ears. Kind of like when you hear recordings of the Beat bands who weren't as talented as the Beatles covering 50's rock'n roll and it just seems off.
[22:00:44] <LaminatorX> Adopting something from a foreign culture is hard to do well.
[22:00:53] <janrinok> I know what you mean.
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[22:20:39] <janrinok> Time to go - have a good day. cu tomorrow LaminatorX
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